Hi Melissa, Yes it does still provide all that information. However I think it is the browser that you are using that is giving you the trouble.I user firefox and can not see the map or info and have to go to internet explorer to view it on the Geelong Cemetery site. Some website are just not compatible with other browsers and you have to go back to good old Internet Explorer to get the full function. This is something I have learnt from my son - so it proves you can teach old dogs new tricks. Cheers Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ MJ Hallyburton" <hallyburton1@bigpond.com> To: <aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: [GEELONG] re place name > Thank you Pam for the mention of the Dandy's on the Geelong Cemetery Trust > site. I had forgotten about that little gem. I did a search and up popped > a > number of the Dandy family I was searching for J Again many thanks for > that. > > I did notice though as it has been awhile since I last looked at this site > that there has been one major change I noticed. I remember when you used > to > be able to search for a name and then it would give you the location of > the > burial and then it also gave you a link to see "who else was buried in the > same grave". I see you can no longer do this OR has it moved to some other > place I have not looked at? I say this because I had found a "number" of > ancestors who were buried in "MASS" graves and it also said who was placed > there as well and sometimes I was lucky enough to find a few other family > members listed as being buried in the same mass grave. > > Also does anyone else have a problem with the download of the MAP where > they > are buried? > > > > Thank you all, > > Melissa. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Folks, Just a reminder that entries for this competition must be submitted by the closing date - 14th November. Please don't let our region down! Regards ............ Susie Z

Thank you Pam for the mention of the Dandy's on the Geelong Cemetery Trust site. I had forgotten about that little gem. I did a search and up popped a number of the Dandy family I was searching for J Again many thanks for that. I did notice though as it has been awhile since I last looked at this site that there has been one major change I noticed. I remember when you used to be able to search for a name and then it would give you the location of the burial and then it also gave you a link to see "who else was buried in the same grave". I see you can no longer do this OR has it moved to some other place I have not looked at? I say this because I had found a "number" of ancestors who were buried in "MASS" graves and it also said who was placed there as well and sometimes I was lucky enough to find a few other family members listed as being buried in the same mass grave. Also does anyone else have a problem with the download of the MAP where they are buried? Thank you all, Melissa.

H all, The NLA http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home hs lots of reports, in most states, of both the drownings and the regatta , there was also one in Tasmania in which the Victor took part. They make interesting reading but I could find no names other than those already mentioned in the Geelog advertiser. If you have an idea of teh name you a looking for it wold most likely make it easier to search in family notices. regards Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan & Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@iprimus.com.au> To: <aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Drowning > also check later newspapers and those where he originated from, sometimes > they copy or include notices such as this in their papers but can be > months > later. > Some newspaper articles even have for instance 'london papers please copy' > on the article. > If the regatta was postponed you could try and see if any records exist > for > it or even a report or a sailing club if it held it. > good luck > linda > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Melissa If this is the same couple buried at Geelong 9480DANDYDURHAM08 Sep 1915Geelong Eastern CemeteryMET*5***177S 12954DANDYELIZA19 May 1926Geelong Eastern CemeteryMET*5***177 http://www.gct.net.au/search.html# Pam S ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ MJ Hallyburton" <hallyburton1@bigpond.com> To: <aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Place name Thank you > Dear List members, > > > > MANY THANKS to the ppl who replied to my post about the place name of > "Watta" > > After more searching and "head hitting" I found a mention of the man I was > searching for and low and behold he died in Wangarratta (I have yet to > obtain a certificate to see for sure). > > His wife died a few yrs after him and she died in Geelong. > > I and my cousin had no idea that the family had been in the Wangarratta > area > so we were searching the "Watta" as being around Geelong. That will teach > us > a lesson to look much further afield than you think. > > Now it opens up more questions than we may ever find answers too. > > For example, were the couple in question together at the time? Had they > separated, did they live in the Wangarratta area for some time? > > These are questions for my cousin to track down now and do some more > research on. (my cousin's father and my father were brother's this side > I'm > helping her with is her mother's side, so a SIDE branch of my own tree but > fun helping out to research anyhow). > > The family in question is by the name of DANDY. > > Durham Dandy and Elizabeth "Eliza" McComb (or other spellings have been > found for her maiden name). > > Eliza Dandy died 1926 in Geelong. They married in 1875 (we think in > Geelong). They had 11 children born in the area's of Ceres, Mount Moriac > and Deans Marsh. > > > > MANY THANKS to you all, > > Melissa > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear List members, MANY THANKS to the ppl who replied to my post about the place name of "Watta" After more searching and "head hitting" I found a mention of the man I was searching for and low and behold he died in Wangarratta (I have yet to obtain a certificate to see for sure). His wife died a few yrs after him and she died in Geelong. I and my cousin had no idea that the family had been in the Wangarratta area so we were searching the "Watta" as being around Geelong. That will teach us a lesson to look much further afield than you think. Now it opens up more questions than we may ever find answers too. For example, were the couple in question together at the time? Had they separated, did they live in the Wangarratta area for some time? These are questions for my cousin to track down now and do some more research on. (my cousin's father and my father were brother's this side I'm helping her with is her mother's side, so a SIDE branch of my own tree but fun helping out to research anyhow). The family in question is by the name of DANDY. Durham Dandy and Elizabeth "Eliza" McComb (or other spellings have been found for her maiden name). Eliza Dandy died 1926 in Geelong. They married in 1875 (we think in Geelong). They had 11 children born in the area's of Ceres, Mount Moriac and Deans Marsh. MANY THANKS to you all, Melissa

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also check later newspapers and those where he originated from, sometimes they copy or include notices such as this in their papers but can be months later. Some newspaper articles even have for instance 'london papers please copy' on the article. If the regatta was postponed you could try and see if any records exist for it or even a report or a sailing club if it held it. good luck linda

Mary Millar wrote: > If you have the name of one who drowned AND there body was found, more than > likely the names of the others who drowned may be listed in either the > police report, doctors, or witnesses reports, so worth checking any inquest. > Mary of Melbourne > And that's very good advice. There are often "group" enquiries and there are occasionally inquests where only one body is found, where others in the disaster are named in the evidence, but never included in the inquest index, as theirs was not the body being examined. This is quite common in maritime and gold-digging accidents. Regards Ada

In other instances I have researched I have found that although not an inquest there was more than likely a magisterial or coroners hearing. However if a body was not located a death certificate could not be issued. This particular instance was taken up by the Coroners Court a few years ago and those who had perished without trace were issued a posthumus death certificate. I know one particular family who said it was important for them to have closure. If you have the name of one who drowned AND there body was found, more than likely the names of the others who drowned may be listed in either the police report, doctors, or witnesses reports, so worth checking any inquest. Mary of Melbourne > Hi, > checked most of the online newspapers at > http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home for reports of the event. They > are almost word for word a copy of what was in the Geelong advertiser. > > I was hoping that I might find a mention of the other names. But no luck. > > regards > > Robyn > > >>I am interested in a mishap which occurred first Sunday in 1849 when a >>ship/dinghy from Victor overturned as it was returning the Master , >>Captain >>Kirkus to his barque after church. All on board drowned including " a >>nephew of Captain Robert DAVISON of "Posthumous". I am very interested in >>just who this nephew was. >> The Geelong Advertiser 4th December 1849 gives no actual identity. >> Can anyone point me to his identity. I have searched the BDM to no avail. >> TIA >> Lynne

Hi, checked most of the online newspapers at http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home for reports of the event. They are almost word for word a copy of what was in the Geelong advertiser. I was hoping that I might find a mention of the other names. But no luck. regards Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Tocher" <lintoch@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Drowning >I am interested in a mishap which occurred first Sunday in 1849 when a >ship/dinghy from Victor overturned as it was returning the Master , Captain >Kirkus to his barque after church. All on board drowned including " a >nephew of Captain Robert DAVISON of "Posthumous". I am very interested in >just who this nephew was. > The Geelong Advertiser 4th December 1849 gives no actual identity. > Can anyone point me to his identity. I have searched the BDM to no avail. > TIA > Lynne > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Than you to everyone who took the time to answer my query. It looks like the body that was not recovered was my man. Wouldn't you know it ? Captain DAVISON was my ancestor & I am attempting to find out who his "nephew" was as there are no likely candidates come to mind. I shall just have to keep slogging away. Many thanks again, :Lynne

My understanding is that an inquest is held to establish the cause of death which would be a bit hard without a body! I don't believe there were inquests held into the death of individuals lost in the Admella wreck for example although there certainly was an enquiry in both states. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-geelong-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-geelong-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara OConnor Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 1:39 PM To: aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Drowning Just out of curiosity, would there have been an inquest if the body had not been recovered? Barbara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara - the answer is No - not sure when this changed but certainly in the 1800's this was the case. regards, Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara OConnor" <maurie777@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Drowning > Just out of curiosity, would there have been an inquest if the body had > not > been recovered? > > Barbara > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just out of curiosity, would there have been an inquest if the body had not been recovered? Barbara

I can't add anything useful except to say what a wonderful list - all this info in a short time. Joan Williams Killarney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ward" <ceejay@internode.on.net> To: <aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Drowning > William FARMER was a sailor accidently drowned in Corio Bay in 1849. > There > is an inquest listed for him but not for FOWLER or KIRKUS. > > Regards, > Chris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-geelong-district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-geelong-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam & > Trevor Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 10:22 AM > To: aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Drowning > > Hi Lynne - Capt Kirkus, William Farmer aged 18 and William Fowler, aged 40 > all died on 4 Dec 1849 and are buried in unmarked graves at the Eastern > cemetery. The Geel Addie indicates that 3 crew drowned. Now the 2 > Williams' > above may or may not be "3 of the crew". > The 3rd man may not have been recovered hence no mention of another burial > OR his body may not have been recovered until some time later - hence > another date of death other than 4th Dec. > > My suggestion would be to look at the Inquests of some or all of the above > and see what connections can be found. > kind regards, Pam Jennings > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Tocher" <lintoch@pnc.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:41 AM > Subject: [GEELONG] Drowning > > >>I am interested in a mishap which occurred first Sunday in 1849 when a >>ship/dinghy from Victor overturned as it was returning the Master , >>Captain > >>Kirkus to his barque after church. All on board drowned including " a >>nephew of Captain Robert DAVISON of "Posthumous". I am very interested in >>just who this nephew was. >> The Geelong Advertiser 4th December 1849 gives no actual identity. >> Can anyone point me to his identity. I have searched the BDM to no avail. >> TIA >> Lynne >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District >> http://zades.com.au >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

William FARMER was a sailor accidently drowned in Corio Bay in 1849. There is an inquest listed for him but not for FOWLER or KIRKUS. Regards, Chris -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-geelong-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-geelong-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam & Trevor Jennings Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 10:22 AM To: aus-vic-geelong-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Drowning Hi Lynne - Capt Kirkus, William Farmer aged 18 and William Fowler, aged 40 all died on 4 Dec 1849 and are buried in unmarked graves at the Eastern cemetery. The Geel Addie indicates that 3 crew drowned. Now the 2 Williams' above may or may not be "3 of the crew". The 3rd man may not have been recovered hence no mention of another burial OR his body may not have been recovered until some time later - hence another date of death other than 4th Dec. My suggestion would be to look at the Inquests of some or all of the above and see what connections can be found. kind regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Tocher" <lintoch@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Drowning >I am interested in a mishap which occurred first Sunday in 1849 when a >ship/dinghy from Victor overturned as it was returning the Master , Captain >Kirkus to his barque after church. All on board drowned including " a >nephew of Captain Robert DAVISON of "Posthumous". I am very interested in >just who this nephew was. > The Geelong Advertiser 4th December 1849 gives no actual identity. > Can anyone point me to his identity. I have searched the BDM to no avail. > TIA > Lynne > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No help to you, except for a date - The (Hobart) Courier, 12 December 1849 MELANCHOLY ACCIDENT AT GEELONG.-Captain Kirkus, the commander of the Victor two of the apprentices of that ship, and a young gentleman, nephew of Capt. Davidson, ot the Posthumous, were all drowned at Geelong on Sunday week, the 2nd instant. It appears Captain Kirkus had been ashore to church, and was returning to the ship at Point Henry when the melancholy catastrophe occurred. The accident was not observed from the shore, although it is stated that some person on shore saw one of the parties taking in the misen; but the boat was no more seen. The bodies had not been found. The Geelong regatta was postponed in consequence of the event. Cheers

Hi Lynne - Capt Kirkus, William Farmer aged 18 and William Fowler, aged 40 all died on 4 Dec 1849 and are buried in unmarked graves at the Eastern cemetery. The Geel Addie indicates that 3 crew drowned. Now the 2 Williams' above may or may not be "3 of the crew". The 3rd man may not have been recovered hence no mention of another burial OR his body may not have been recovered until some time later - hence another date of death other than 4th Dec. My suggestion would be to look at the Inquests of some or all of the above and see what connections can be found. kind regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Tocher" <lintoch@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Drowning >I am interested in a mishap which occurred first Sunday in 1849 when a >ship/dinghy from Victor overturned as it was returning the Master , Captain >Kirkus to his barque after church. All on board drowned including " a >nephew of Captain Robert DAVISON of "Posthumous". I am very interested in >just who this nephew was. > The Geelong Advertiser 4th December 1849 gives no actual identity. > Can anyone point me to his identity. I have searched the BDM to no avail. > TIA > Lynne > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interested in a mishap which occurred first Sunday in 1849 when a ship/dinghy from Victor overturned as it was returning the Master , Captain Kirkus to his barque after church. All on board drowned including " a nephew of Captain Robert DAVISON of "Posthumous". I am very interested in just who this nephew was. The Geelong Advertiser 4th December 1849 gives no actual identity. Can anyone point me to his identity. I have searched the BDM to no avail. TIA Lynne