Hi all, Listing some of my interests after several months off the air. Looking forward to learning more. It's nice to be back. Regards Jackie

Hi Robyn David didnt as he died aged 35 and his parents would not have lived long enough to apply I dont think? 1910 or so wasnt it in Ireland for the pension. What about Australia or was that after 1900 too.? cheers Patsy http://www.genebug.com and again on http://www.countrystay.co.nz

Have you tried the National Archives of Australia? http://www.naa.gov.au/ Cheers... Pat... At 11/08/2003 Monday07:26 PM +1200, you wrote: >Hi Robyn > >David didnt as he died aged 35 and his parents would not have lived >long enough to apply I dont think? 1910 or so wasnt it in Ireland for >the pension. What about Australia or was that after 1900 too.? >cheers >Patsy >http://www.genebug.com and again on >http://www.countrystay.co.nz > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong Family History Group : >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

Hi Listers I am flummoxed - for years I have tried to find my gr gr grandfather. (Suzie you will probably remember helping me with this search in the good old days of the BBS) The story is this My Gr grandfather David DORAN was married on 25 Feb 1868 at St Pats Kilmore to FLora Robinson (Robertson) He states he was born in Geelong and that his parents were Michael and Mary DORAN (nee BURKE (BOURKE) he stated he was aged 26 when married David would have been born c 1842 (and according to him in Geelong) HOWEVER !!! after many searches by many able bodied and helpful genes, researches and anyone else who was close to a list anywhere I have still NOT been able to find his parents or any siblings. I did find a marriage of a Michael DORAN to a Mary BOURKE at Castleisland in Co Kerry Ireland they married on 25 Feb 1838 (note the date (same as David's) and I wonder if this is coincidence) but if these are my David's parents I can NOT (and neither can anyone else) find them arriving into Australia c1838/42 in time for David to have been born. The Roman Catholic baptism records and burials for Geelong are short and sometimes non existant so I am unable to find out if he was actually baptised there or not. After 12 years with success in the search for the rest of my family I am really wishing to find my father's ancestors. I have ALL the family coming down the line to modern times, the sad bit being that my grandparents had a fire not long after they arrived in NZ in 1910 so any family papers (and my grandfather being the eldest son would have had them) went up in smoke. No Australian family member has anything either. Anyone any ideas? or should I just close the file. What about Catholic schools in Geelong? David could read and write so he must have attended school??? Could he have been born there and then the parents and the babe went back to Ireland until he was old enough to come out again himself?? I really hate the idea of giving up but I can no longer see the wood for the trees! cheers Patsy http://www.genebug.com and again on http://www.countrystay.co.nz

DID HE GET AN OLD AGE PENSION? robyndehood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy McMillan" <patsym@inet.net.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Michael DORAN where are you ? > Hi Listers > > I am flummoxed - for years I have tried to find my gr gr grandfather. > (Suzie you will probably remember helping me with this search in the > good old days of the BBS) > > The story is this > > My Gr grandfather David DORAN was married on 25 Feb 1868 at St Pats > Kilmore to FLora Robinson (Robertson) > He states he was born in Geelong and that his parents were > Michael and Mary DORAN (nee BURKE (BOURKE) he stated he was aged 26 > when married > > David would have been born c 1842 (and according to him in Geelong) > HOWEVER !!! after many searches by many able bodied and helpful genes, > researches and anyone else who was close to a list anywhere I have > still NOT been able to find his parents or any siblings. > > I did find a marriage of a Michael DORAN to a Mary BOURKE at > Castleisland in Co Kerry Ireland they married on 25 Feb 1838 (note the > date (same as David's) and I wonder if this is coincidence) but if > these are my David's parents I can NOT (and neither can anyone else) > find them arriving into Australia c1838/42 in time for David to have > been born. > > The Roman Catholic baptism records and burials for Geelong are short > and sometimes non existant so I am unable to find out if he was > actually baptised there or not. > > After 12 years with success in the search for the rest of my family I > am really wishing to find my father's ancestors. > > I have ALL the family coming down the line to modern times, the sad > bit being that my grandparents had a fire not long after they arrived > in NZ in 1910 so any family papers (and my grandfather being the > eldest son would have had them) went up in smoke. No Australian > family member has anything either. > > Anyone any ideas? or should I just close the file. > > What about Catholic schools in Geelong? David could read and write so > he must have attended school??? > Could he have been born there and then the parents and the babe went > back to Ireland until he was old enough to come out again himself?? > > I really hate the idea of giving up but I can no longer see the wood > for the trees! > > cheers > Patsy > http://www.genebug.com and again on > http://www.countrystay.co.nz > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Try this link http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/geelong2.htm Cheers... Pat... At 9/08/2003 Saturday05:28 PM +1000, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pauline" <rommel@relax.com.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:10 PM >Subject: Geelong & Portland Immigration Society > > > > Hi > > > > A friend has been asked by an elderly cousin to see if we can find out >about > > her ancestor that was a convict. > > > > Known info as follows:- > > John Wall born ca 1818 London. > > Assigned to a John Bye at Bothwell, Tasmania for 12 yrs. He was 14 yrs old > > on arrival and in 1846 came to Victoria aboard the ship "Julia" via a > > program by Geelong & Portland Immigration society. > > > > Can you anybody help with details of this scheme? > > > > regards > > Pauline > > Victoria, Australia > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <rommel@relax.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Geelong & Portland Immigration Society > Hi > > A friend has been asked by an elderly cousin to see if we can find out about > her ancestor that was a convict. > > Known info as follows:- > John Wall born ca 1818 London. > Assigned to a John Bye at Bothwell, Tasmania for 12 yrs. He was 14 yrs old > on arrival and in 1846 came to Victoria aboard the ship "Julia" via a > program by Geelong & Portland Immigration society. > > Can you anybody help with details of this scheme? > > regards > Pauline > Victoria, Australia > >

I seem to have dropped off the list as I have had no mail for some time can sks tell me why regards Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com

Hi, I have just returned to see this email and was wondering if your Yeoman family had any connections with the Spinks family of Geelong, sorry if I have missed the theme of the previous emails but thought it was worth a try, Regards Beth Dianne wrote: > Warrion is just out of Colac, my sister lives at the foot of Warrion Hill. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JnnyB@aol.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Yeoman family > > > Thanks Pat. > > I have rechecked Blake's "Place names of Victoria" and found Warrain and > > Warrion /Hill are also possibles that could be enlarged to become Geelong > later > > on. > > So the next question is - are there baptismal records etc available for > the > > 1890s in Geelong? > > > > Jenny > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm

Hi Brenda, Civil registration commenced in Victoria in July 1853 - any "wedding certificates" before that were church records and generally did not contain the fields that were part of the civil registration. There were church registers that contained multiple entries per page. Sometimes there were full certificates (still church ones and not civil reg) that contained more though they tended to be much later. It's always worth contacting the church to see if they have any more information - I wouldn't count on it for that period but you never know. Regards ....... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <brenda@ozramp.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Detail on Marriage Certificates > Hi Listers, > > I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when Marriage certificates began to detail the bride & groom's birthplaces, ages, occupations and parent's names & occupations. > > I have a wedding certificate issued in Geelong in May 1850 and it is very basic only showing the bride & groom's names, witnesses' names, date and minister's name. It is extremely basic compared to a certificate issued in Ballarat in 1855 that shows all the above information. I'm interested in an marriage that took place in 1851 in Geelong and would like to get a copy of the wedding certificate if it has all the detail but won't bother if it's likely to be a basic certificate like the 1851 one. > > thanks > Brenda > > Families I'm researching from the Geelong area are: COTTRELL GORELL HANKINSON SHUGG STANTON WALDIE > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > >

Hi Brenda, Civil registration commenced in Victoria in July 1853 - any "wedding certificates" before that were church records and generally did not contain the fields that were part of the civil registration. There were church registers that contained multiple entries per page. Sometimes there were full certificates (still church ones and not civil reg) that contained more though they tended to be much later. It's always worth contacting the church to see if they have any more information - I wouldn't count on it for that period but you never know. Regards ....... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <brenda@ozramp.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Detail on Marriage Certificates > Hi Listers, > > I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when Marriage certificates began to detail the bride & groom's birthplaces, ages, occupations and parent's names & occupations. > > I have a wedding certificate issued in Geelong in May 1850 and it is very basic only showing the bride & groom's names, witnesses' names, date and minister's name. It is extremely basic compared to a certificate issued in Ballarat in 1855 that shows all the above information. I'm interested in an marriage that took place in 1851 in Geelong and would like to get a copy of the wedding certificate if it has all the detail but won't bother if it's likely to be a basic certificate like the 1851 one. > > thanks > Brenda > > Families I'm researching from the Geelong area are: COTTRELL GORELL HANKINSON SHUGG STANTON WALDIE > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > >

Hi Listers, I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when Marriage certificates began to detail the bride & groom's birthplaces, ages, occupations and parent's names & occupations. I have a wedding certificate issued in Geelong in May 1850 and it is very basic only showing the bride & groom's names, witnesses' names, date and minister's name. It is extremely basic compared to a certificate issued in Ballarat in 1855 that shows all the above information. I'm interested in an marriage that took place in 1851 in Geelong and would like to get a copy of the wedding certificate if it has all the detail but won't bother if it's likely to be a basic certificate like the 1851 one. thanks Brenda Families I'm researching from the Geelong area are: COTTRELL GORELL HANKINSON SHUGG STANTON WALDIE

The Clem de Garis Susie mentioned must be a descendant. Just not sure who. I looked up the catalogue of Mildura library seeing as the family had a strong connection there and found a number of references including a history of the de Garis family in Australia. I though I would check the State Library catalogue to see if they had it - they don't. But they do have a pamphlet called "Credit Crusade". ( 1 page folded, according to the catalogue) Finally! Now to find the time to go there! Heather Reference and Local History Librarian North Melbourne Library 66 Errol St North Melbourne 3051 Ph 9297 3280 Fax 9297 3279

Hi Lexie The most likely person to have this would be John Waghorn of Thomastown, Vic. He's probably in the phone book. He is an expert on things postal, including employees. Regards Lorraine At 12:07 PM 5/08/03 +1000, you wrote: >Good morning all > >I am writing a history of the district of Balintore, near Colac in >Victoria's western district. There was a post office run from the home of >George and Janie Hayes. >Does anyone have an envelope bearing the Balintore Post Office stamp? I >would dearly love a scan of it to add to the history. The post office >operated from 1922 to 1959. > >Have a great day >Lexie Picken >Colac > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Cemeteries : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm

Good morning all I am writing a history of the district of Balintore, near Colac in Victoria's western district. There was a post office run from the home of George and Janie Hayes. Does anyone have an envelope bearing the Balintore Post Office stamp? I would dearly love a scan of it to add to the history. The post office operated from 1922 to 1959. Have a great day Lexie Picken Colac

Councillor for Moorabbin shire - foremost proponent for the separation of Sandringham from the shire. Near enough to Brighton - he may also have been involved at Brighton - it's near enough. Heather > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Cook [mailto:craigc@melbpc.org.au] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:53 AM > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] de Garis > > > I have a feeling that the name De Garis rings a bell and its in > relation to > being a Town Clerk at Caulfield or Brighton in the 1950/60s. > Maybe a list > in civil records there can help. Brighton had a very good > historical society > operating some years back. > Regards > Craig Cook > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Try http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ or http://ilms.nla.gov.au/webpac-bin/wgbroker?080405074241200+1+search Cheers... Pat... At 4/08/2003 Monday06:33 PM -0400, you wrote: >Hey John....refer me to a good mapsite for AU.......please- Marylyn > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Mailing List Information : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

Hi Folks, Clem de Garis was Town Clerk of Brighton from 1963-c74. However, a quick check of our Geelong & District Book Index has the following entries for the name in our region .............. Index Entry Book Title Page Number De Garis House Geelong : the First 150 Years 31 Aug De GARIS, Mary (Dr) Geelong : the First 150 Years 31 Aug DE GARIS, Mary (Dr) Model Borough: An Introduction to Old Newtown and Chilwell 66 DeGARIS, E C Geelong Region Historic Buildings and Objects Study [Vol 3] 334 DeGARIS, Lucas Geelong Region Historic Buildings and Objects Study [Vol 3] 334 DeGARIS, Mary Geelong Region Historic Buildings and Objects Study [Vol 3] 334 Regards ....... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Cook" <craigc@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] de Garis > I have a feeling that the name De Garis rings a bell and its in relation to > being a Town Clerk at Caulfield or Brighton in the 1950/60s. Maybe a list > in civil records there can help. Brighton had a very good historical society > operating some years back. > Regards > Craig Cook

I have a feeling that the name De Garis rings a bell and its in relation to being a Town Clerk at Caulfield or Brighton in the 1950/60s. Maybe a list in civil records there can help. Brighton had a very good historical society operating some years back. Regards Craig Cook

Just did a quick a quick keyword search on Prahran Mechanics Institute's site for De Garis. Result is - Main Title : Investigator: magazine of the Geelong Historical Society : no.76 September 1984 Imprint : Geelong : Geelong Historical Society. Notes : Contents: Geelong Haymarket p91. Christopher Porter, architect p95. Dr. Mary De Garis 1881-1963 p103. Temperance Hall 1918-1981 p106. Subject : Geelong (Vic.) -- Periodicals BRN : 9974 Cheers... Pat... At 4/08/2003 Monday07:05 PM +1000, you wrote: >Thanks for your response Heather - I will make up an article from what has >been offered and with a request for anyone to contact you if they know more! >regards, Pam >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather" <heatherm@yarranet.net.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:41 AM >Subject: RE: [GEELONG] de Garis and the Credit Crusade > > > > I'm happy to help although I don't have any articles, just lots of bits. I > > know Elisha de Garis died in Geelong from the death indexes. A website on > > Sandringham told me he was buried at Brighton. His headstone told the one > > piece of information I really needed - that his first wife was buried in > > Guernsey (before that I had no idea what happened to her) - the entry for > > Elisha de Garis in Cyclopedia of Victoria confirms that his first wife was > > the daughter of John Buncle. > > > > I can photocopy and send anything I have. > > > > BTW the Cyclopedia of Victoria entry for Elisha de Garis also has his > > address as Sarnia in Mildura - named after his birthplace. If you recall > > that was also the name of the home in LA Trobe Terrace. > > > > Heather McKay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Pam & Trevor Jennings [mailto:tjennings@bigpond.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:15 PM > > > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] de Garis and the Credit Crusade > > > > > > > > > Hi Heather - with all the wonderful information coming forth > > > about Mary, may > > > I print these articles in our Geelong Family History group > > > magazine? regards > > > Pam Jennings (editor) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Heather" <heatherm@yarranet.net.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:32 PM > > > Subject: [GEELONG] de Garis and the Credit Crusade > > > > > > > > > > Does any one know about this? > > > > > > > > Mary de Garis was a pioneering woman doctor who ( I am pretty sure) >died > > > in > > > > Geelong. Her father was Elisha de Garis and her mother was >Elizabeth(?) > > > > Buncle. Therefore her maternal grandfather was John Buncle who owned > > > > Parkside Iron works in North Melbourne. Mr Buncle wrote > > > "Experiences of a > > > > Victorian Manufacturer" which was republished on his death in 1899. >The > > > > State Library has a copy of this with the following stamps - The >Credit > > > > Crusade - L G De Garis. 'Sarnia' 256 (or 286) La Trobe Terrace Postal > > > > address Box 59 Geelong" and "In Memoriam Mary C DeGaris. > > > Colleague of the > > > > Credit Crusade" and repeats the postal address. > > > > > > > > L G de Garis is probably Lucas George > > > > > > > > Heather McKay > > > > > > > > Reference and Local History Librarian > > > > North Melbourne Library > > > > 66 Errol St > > > > North Melbourne 3051 > > > > Ph 9297 3280 > > > > Fax 9297 3279 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong and District web site : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia