Hi all mum just got back from the display at Christhcurch. Had i known what resources would be available I would have tried to make it myself. What i'm curious about is the marriage certificates they had available for people to photocopy, are they available at any time? And if so how would I get access? I won't be able to make it to it for the rest of the weekend as i'll be down on the coast, cheers, Ainslee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l www.ainsleehooper.com GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Listerman" <nanknoo@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Bendigo Cemetery > Hello Elizabeth, > The URL for the Bendigo Cemeteries is http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/. I > don't know if they're open on Saturdays. You could try phoning. There are > several major cemeteries for the Bendigo/Sandhurst area, with the office > being at the Eaglehawk one in the north west of the city, off the road to > Kerang. > > If you find you can't get information from them, the next best bet is to be > at the City Library next to the Town Hall in Hargreaves St., where the > A.I.G.S volunteers are on duty upstairs from 10am to 12.30pm or so. The > Library closes at 1 pm and isn't open on Sundays. There are some computer > records and some microfilm records of who was buried in which Cemetery, but > I don't know if they will give you enough information as to where in the > cemetery they were buried. All four main cemeteries are very old, and still > being used, so there are thousands of marked and unmarked graves, and you'd > have to be very lucky in an uninformed search to find who you were looking > for, if all you knew was which was the relevant cemetery. > > Good luck with getting the information you need. As with all old cemeteries > with high headstones, you need to beware their stability, and seeing the > bluetongue lizards are already out, meaning the snakes will be too, it would > be an idea to keep an eye out in any particularly overgrown areas! > > Tom > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > > ==== AUS-VIC Mailing List ==== > AUS-VIC Mailing List - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~michmar/AUS-VICmailList.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you to all responders. I inadvertently assumed that all on this list would be aware that Belfast was an early name for what is now Port Fairy Vic. When we visited some years ago the Belfast Bakery was in operation (and made very nice cream buns). Rosebrook is a few miles out to the north of Port Fairy. But where is Sutherland Creek? and does anyone know where Breakwater is? somewhere in this vicinity, we think. another child was born there much later. Elizabeth (nee Butcher) arrived as a child in 1854. We can't find William Brooks arrival. Up until recently the earliest firm knowledge we had was what was given on his marriage documents - 23 Nov 1865, William Crook Brooks, Autumn St Ashby, aged 29, widower, former wife deceased 1856, no issue, born Bradford Yorkshire, father William Brooks, mother Susan Crook. Then we found a birth of Fanny Mary Ann (Mary Ann was Elizabeth's mother -don't know who Fanny may have been), 27 Feb 1864, to William aged 28, and Elizabeth aged 16, notified by the mother and she signed her name. (At the marriage she used a mark). So William was in the Geelong area around July 1863. We have also found that John lived 14 days, so William must have registered his birth and death at the same time, and this means there is not much doubt about the dates of his birth/death. Thomas is a different matter. At the moment, following a number of helpful suggestions from this list, I lean towards the theory that William was told that he had to register the birth of a child even though it died soon after birth, and of the penalties for not registering, so asked a former neighbour to belatedly register the birth of Thomas Alfred (these names do not yet appear anywhere else in the family) who had been born and died in the Sutherland Creek area a year previously. If T A was born 11 Jun 1865 rather than 1866 it would be a simple matter, if questioned, to blame the error on the neighbour or the Registrar. Either that, or the well intentioned neighbour got the whole thing wrong, and the child belonged to someone else! Thanks to all again, I will respond individually shortly. Don Watson >

Don, My ancestors ship journey from Plymouth to Geelong took 101 days. This 'gap' between birth of John and Thomas is 90 days and 2 countries! There are anomolies in the ages of the parents which is not uncommon is records. My thought is a recording error and the 2nd child is a year younger. Have you got shipping records for Geelong arrival? Carollyn Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Watson To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? Would any member care to comment on the following problem? I have two birth certificates, details as follows - 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born Kidderminster, England. Informant W Brooks, father. 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born Kidderminster England. Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. How did they manage it? Any suggestions? Don Watson ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm

I am looking for links between the name Currie and those of O'Shannassy (spelt every which way, including with no O'), Sidell (also spelt in a number of ways), Baird, or with Norfolk, England, or Counties Mayo or Galway in Ireland. I have reached the desperation stage with this part of my research, so anybody who might have Currie connections and who recognizes any of these links, please, please, please contact me! Waiting hopefully, Alwynne

Mary, I will check Christ Church for a plague for you on Saturday as I'm sure the church will be open. regards Dianne Hughes

Hi Gail, Bottrell Nicholas T Bottrell William H.V. Dunstan Thomas Henry all appear in the 1st Register. cheers Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail and Ian" <gail-ian@telstra.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Re: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-D Digest V03 #275 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Content-disposition: inline > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register can someone let me know if the names Bottrell and Dunstan appears please. > Thanks heaps Gail > > > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #2 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:11:59 +1100 > From: "nola gilcrist" <ngilcrist@smartchat.net.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <002e01c3a318$4a0e4e60$3bf10ad2@com.au> > Subject: [GEELONG] New to list > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Hi my name is Nola Gilcrist (nee Hamilton). > names of interest to me are Hamilton. Ward. Lawrence. > Thanks Nola > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #3 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:16:49 +1100 > From: "Shirley Mesman" <smesman@alphalink.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <002101c3a318$f7102980$dd63a1ca@Shirley> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi, no there are no McKean's in Vol. 1 or Vol. 2 of the Colac & District > Pioneer Registers. > > Shirley. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > > > > Hi List > > > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > > > Grahame Thom > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Churches : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #4 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:07:00 +1100 > From: "Peter MacAuslan" <pmaca@pipeline.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <00e901c3a31f$f9c8b5a0$4cf1fea9@xscustom> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Carolyn > The dairy was at 72 Roslyn Rd Belmont. > Inhabited by Mrs P Martin . > She is on the phone and is interested in the site > I have passed your emails on to her and she was going into the historical > centre in Geelong to try and get the early history of the Roslyn Rd area as > it is her back yard that is moving. > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carollyn Williams" <wisteria@netspace.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > > > > Peter, > > Where did you finally ascertain the dairy was in Roslyn Rd? Certainly west > Roslyn Rd at bottom of Highton Hill ie Bellevue Ave now, was a watercourse > and east Roslyn Rd descends to the Barwon River flood plain. > > Carollyn Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter MacAuslan > > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:38 AM > > Subject: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter MacAuslan > > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:13 AM > > Subject: Roslyn Road > > > > > > My thanks to all who replied to my query > > It has raised the query as to what preceded the dairy on the site. > > What prompted the query was the movement of the ground in the back yards > of the houses on the old dairy site. > > James O'Connor mentions a cooling system with water pouring over the > roof. > > Where did the water go ? > > Was a farm on the site before the dairy. > > Also the exercise has shown that there is a mass of information on the > Belmont /Highton area lying dormant just needing wakening. > > There were springs in that area ??? > > Thanks again > > > > Peter MacAuslan > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong Family History Group : > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong and District web site : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > > > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #5 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:50:37 -0500 > From: JnnyB@aol.com > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6E4FE852.6795740B.0000F7BD@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] =?ISO-8859-1?B?oExhdGUgYXJyaXZpbmcgdHdpbnM/?= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Hi Don, > One suggestion is that the first child was not registered within the required time, and the parents fabricated a later birth date to avoid the fuss/fines applicable. A clue to this would be if the first child was listed as 'not present'. It would be a dead giveaway if the child was present but say walking! > Have you checked out the first child's death age to see if it corresponds with an earlier birth date? > > best wishes, > > Jenny > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #6 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:12:24 +1000 > From: "C Matthews" <cmatthews@caliph.net.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <001b01c3a331$8fd67f30$5bbadccb@davidm119dq3j7> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Could have been a transcription error! > Cecily matthews > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > > > > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > > Kidderminster, England. > > Informant W Brooks, father. > > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, > born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > > Kidderminster England. > > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > > > How did they manage it? > > Any suggestions? > > > > Don Watson > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #7 > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:58:52 +1100 > From: Neil Campbell <neils1@bigpond.net.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-id: <003d01c3a337$fb5227e0$d9348890@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > Can anyone tell me where to get these, as I am > also interested in the early settlers in the > Geelong area. > Fran :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > > > > Hi List > > > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > > > Grahame Thom > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Churches : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #8 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:58:44 +1100 > From: "Shirley Mesman" <smesman@alphalink.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <00c401c3a348$bebc9a70$dd63a1ca@Shirley> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Neil, > > Copies of the Colac & District Pioneers' and Settlers' Register Vol. 2 , Pre > 1920 are available for $30 plus $10 postage and handling. Contains over > 200 pages, with a number of pioneer/settlers' stories and photographs > and Colac & District Pioneer Register, Vol. 1 Pre 1900, priced at $15, plus > $3 postage and handling. (There are not many of Vol. 1 left). 60 pages - > along same theme as above. > > Both available from the > Colac & District Family History Group Inc. at:- > The History Centre, > COPACC building, > Gellibrand St, > Colac. Vic. 3250 > > or > > by post from - > Colac & District Family History Group Inc. > P.O. Box 219, > Colac. Vic. 3250. > > Forward payment & details to Colac & District Family History Group Inc. > > Regards, > Shirley. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Campbell" <neils1@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:58 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > > > > Can anyone tell me where to get these, as I am > > also interested in the early settlers in the > > Geelong area. > > Fran :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > > > > > > > Hi List > > > > > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register > could > > > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > > > > > Grahame Thom > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Churches : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong and District web site : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #9 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:29:02 +1000 > From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <002901c3a355$57ae6360$91b654d2@ibmbn141c6> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Thank you for comments. > I should not have used the word "Certificates". > Both are photocopies of the original register. > I omitted to mention that both say - married Geelong, 1865. > Does anyone know the time limitations on registration of a birth? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > > > > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > > Kidderminster, England. > > Informant W Brooks, father. > > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, > born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > > Kidderminster England. > > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > > > How did they manage it? > > Any suggestions? > > > > Don Watson > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #10 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:19:46 +0800 > From: "Sue Neale and Dean Cloy" <neales_cloyd@optusnet.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004e01c3a386$585f6da0$03ada4cb@hppav> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Don > > I see John died in his year of birth. > > BROOKS, John CD 96392 Death > Father: William > Mother: Butcher Elizabeth > Birthplace: Rose > Reg Year: 1866 Reg State: Victoria > Ref Number: 7486 > > Have you got a copy of that entry, if you have I assume that no additional > info was noted that might help solve the problem. > > Regards > > Sue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:13 PM > Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > > > > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > > Kidderminster, England. > > Informant W Brooks, father. > > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, > born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > > Kidderminster England. > > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > > > How did they manage it? > > Any suggestions? > > > > Don Watson > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > > > ______________________________ > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > X-Message: #11 > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:11:35 +1100 > From: Ada Ackerly <aackers@alphalink.com.au> > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20031105213917.00a01cc0@pop.alphalink.com.au> > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists5.rootsweb.com id hA5G01DZ020319 > > Hello Don and Listers, > > If you want to read a fairly full history of the registration of births,=20 > you might try: > AIGS magazine "Genealogist" of December 1998, pages 150-153 > "Unregistered Births in Victoria" by Ada Ackerly. > > As early as 1853 : (paraphrased) > Father or mother, or if father or mother is dead or disabled, then the=20 > OCCUPIER of the house shall inform within 60 days according to the best o= > f=20 > his or her knowledge. failure =A310 fine. > Child born at sea or in a vessel trading on the sea, the Master or office= > r=20 > in charge shall make a minute and name of vessel and shall inform at=20 > arrival in any port of the colony, SEND a certificate or minute through t= > he=20 > Post Office to the Chief Registrar and it shall be entered in the "Marine= > =20 > Register Book". > Section XI : After 60 days it shall not be lawful for the Deputy or the=20 > Chief Registrar to register a birth. > Provided that : it shall be lawful for ANY PERSON PRESENT AT THE BIRTH or= > =20 > for the father or guardian thereof WITHIN 6 CALENDAR MONTHS to make a=20 > solemn declaration before the Deputy or the Chief Registrar and the book=20 > shall be signed ( by both the registrar and the informant. > > Any person WHO ENDEAVOURED to register a child after 12 months : fine =A3= > 5 > > However, major changes came in 1899 when late registration of a birth wit= > h=20 > evidence, was possible through the Supreme Court or the County=20 > Court............ > > It looks to me as though the "friend & neighbour" might have been asked = > to=20 > register Thomas when he went to Geelong, and as a person "present at the= > =20 > birth" he could register the birth "within 6 months" without a fine. > > It is possible that the child John was given a later date of birth,=20 > pretending that the birth was recent, to evade the fine for late registra= > tion. > > It would be interesting to see the ages attributed to the children on a=20 > parent's death certificate. and whether there were two children John &=20 > Thomas, a year apart? > > I'm fascinated! > > Regards Ada > > > At 17:13 04-11-03 +1000, Don Watson wrote: > >Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > >I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > >1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > > Kidderminster, England. > > Informant W Brooks, father. > >2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS= > ,=20 > >born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > >woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > > Kidderminster England. > > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > > >How did they manage it? > >Any suggestions? > > > >Don Watson > > > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D > >Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > regards, > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg)-- > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register can someone let me know if the names Bottrell and Dunstan appears please. Thanks heaps Gail --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:11:59 +1100 From: "nola gilcrist" <ngilcrist@smartchat.net.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002e01c3a318$4a0e4e60$3bf10ad2@com.au> Subject: [GEELONG] New to list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi my name is Nola Gilcrist (nee Hamilton). names of interest to me are Hamilton. Ward. Lawrence. Thanks Nola ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:16:49 +1100 From: "Shirley Mesman" <smesman@alphalink.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002101c3a318$f7102980$dd63a1ca@Shirley> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, no there are no McKean's in Vol. 1 or Vol. 2 of the Colac & District Pioneer Registers. Shirley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Hi List > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > Grahame Thom > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #4 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:07:00 +1100 From: "Peter MacAuslan" <pmaca@pipeline.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00e901c3a31f$f9c8b5a0$4cf1fea9@xscustom> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn The dairy was at 72 Roslyn Rd Belmont. Inhabited by Mrs P Martin . She is on the phone and is interested in the site I have passed your emails on to her and she was going into the historical centre in Geelong to try and get the early history of the Roslyn Rd area as it is her back yard that is moving. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carollyn Williams" <wisteria@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > Peter, > Where did you finally ascertain the dairy was in Roslyn Rd? Certainly west Roslyn Rd at bottom of Highton Hill ie Bellevue Ave now, was a watercourse and east Roslyn Rd descends to the Barwon River flood plain. > Carollyn Williams > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter MacAuslan > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:38 AM > Subject: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter MacAuslan > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:13 AM > Subject: Roslyn Road > > > My thanks to all who replied to my query > It has raised the query as to what preceded the dairy on the site. > What prompted the query was the movement of the ground in the back yards of the houses on the old dairy site. > James O'Connor mentions a cooling system with water pouring over the roof. > Where did the water go ? > Was a farm on the site before the dairy. > Also the exercise has shown that there is a mass of information on the Belmont /Highton area lying dormant just needing wakening. > There were springs in that area ??? > Thanks again > > Peter MacAuslan > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong Family History Group : > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:50:37 -0500 From: JnnyB@aol.com To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6E4FE852.6795740B.0000F7BD@aol.com> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] =?ISO-8859-1?B?oExhdGUgYXJyaXZpbmcgdHdpbnM/?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don, One suggestion is that the first child was not registered within the required time, and the parents fabricated a later birth date to avoid the fuss/fines applicable. A clue to this would be if the first child was listed as 'not present'. It would be a dead giveaway if the child was present but say walking! Have you checked out the first child's death age to see if it corresponds with an earlier birth date? best wishes, Jenny ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:12:24 +1000 From: "C Matthews" <cmatthews@caliph.net.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001b01c3a331$8fd67f30$5bbadccb@davidm119dq3j7> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could have been a transcription error! Cecily matthews ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > How did they manage it? > Any suggestions? > > Don Watson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #7 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:58:52 +1100 From: Neil Campbell <neils1@bigpond.net.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <003d01c3a337$fb5227e0$d9348890@vic.bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Can anyone tell me where to get these, as I am also interested in the early settlers in the Geelong area. Fran :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Hi List > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > Grahame Thom > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #8 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:58:44 +1100 From: "Shirley Mesman" <smesman@alphalink.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00c401c3a348$bebc9a70$dd63a1ca@Shirley> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Neil, Copies of the Colac & District Pioneers' and Settlers' Register Vol. 2 , Pre 1920 are available for $30 plus $10 postage and handling. Contains over 200 pages, with a number of pioneer/settlers' stories and photographs and Colac & District Pioneer Register, Vol. 1 Pre 1900, priced at $15, plus $3 postage and handling. (There are not many of Vol. 1 left). 60 pages - along same theme as above. Both available from the Colac & District Family History Group Inc. at:- The History Centre, COPACC building, Gellibrand St, Colac. Vic. 3250 or by post from - Colac & District Family History Group Inc. P.O. Box 219, Colac. Vic. 3250. Forward payment & details to Colac & District Family History Group Inc. Regards, Shirley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Campbell" <neils1@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Can anyone tell me where to get these, as I am > also interested in the early settlers in the > Geelong area. > Fran :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > > > > Hi List > > > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > > > Grahame Thom > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Churches : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #9 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:29:02 +1000 From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002901c3a355$57ae6360$91b654d2@ibmbn141c6> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for comments. I should not have used the word "Certificates". Both are photocopies of the original register. I omitted to mention that both say - married Geelong, 1865. Does anyone know the time limitations on registration of a birth? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > How did they manage it? > Any suggestions? > > Don Watson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #10 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:19:46 +0800 From: "Sue Neale and Dean Cloy" <neales_cloyd@optusnet.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004e01c3a386$585f6da0$03ada4cb@hppav> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don I see John died in his year of birth. BROOKS, John CD 96392 Death Father: William Mother: Butcher Elizabeth Birthplace: Rose Reg Year: 1866 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 7486 Have you got a copy of that entry, if you have I assume that no additional info was noted that might help solve the problem. Regards Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > How did they manage it? > Any suggestions? > > Don Watson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #11 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:11:35 +1100 From: Ada Ackerly <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20031105213917.00a01cc0@pop.alphalink.com.au> Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists5.rootsweb.com id hA5G01DZ020319 Hello Don and Listers, If you want to read a fairly full history of the registration of births,=20 you might try: AIGS magazine "Genealogist" of December 1998, pages 150-153 "Unregistered Births in Victoria" by Ada Ackerly. As early as 1853 : (paraphrased) Father or mother, or if father or mother is dead or disabled, then the=20 OCCUPIER of the house shall inform within 60 days according to the best o= f=20 his or her knowledge. failure =A310 fine. Child born at sea or in a vessel trading on the sea, the Master or office= r=20 in charge shall make a minute and name of vessel and shall inform at=20 arrival in any port of the colony, SEND a certificate or minute through t= he=20 Post Office to the Chief Registrar and it shall be entered in the "Marine= =20 Register Book". Section XI : After 60 days it shall not be lawful for the Deputy or the=20 Chief Registrar to register a birth. Provided that : it shall be lawful for ANY PERSON PRESENT AT THE BIRTH or= =20 for the father or guardian thereof WITHIN 6 CALENDAR MONTHS to make a=20 solemn declaration before the Deputy or the Chief Registrar and the book=20 shall be signed ( by both the registrar and the informant. Any person WHO ENDEAVOURED to register a child after 12 months : fine =A3= 5 However, major changes came in 1899 when late registration of a birth wit= h=20 evidence, was possible through the Supreme Court or the County=20 Court............ It looks to me as though the "friend & neighbour" might have been asked = to=20 register Thomas when he went to Geelong, and as a person "present at the= =20 birth" he could register the birth "within 6 months" without a fine. It is possible that the child John was given a later date of birth,=20 pretending that the birth was recent, to evade the fine for late registra= tion. It would be interesting to see the ages attributed to the children on a=20 parent's death certificate. and whether there were two children John &=20 Thomas, a year apart? I'm fascinated! Regards Ada At 17:13 04-11-03 +1000, Don Watson wrote: >Would any member care to comment on the following problem? >I have two birth certificates, details as follows - >1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. >2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS= ,=20 >born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, >woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > >How did they manage it? >Any suggestions? > >Don Watson > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch --Boundary_(ID_jlhtyn2xyRgvmhs8JQVtJg)--

Hello Don and Listers, If you want to read a fairly full history of the registration of births, you might try: AIGS magazine "Genealogist" of December 1998, pages 150-153 "Unregistered Births in Victoria" by Ada Ackerly. As early as 1853 : (paraphrased) Father or mother, or if father or mother is dead or disabled, then the OCCUPIER of the house shall inform within 60 days according to the best of his or her knowledge. failure £10 fine. Child born at sea or in a vessel trading on the sea, the Master or officer in charge shall make a minute and name of vessel and shall inform at arrival in any port of the colony, SEND a certificate or minute through the Post Office to the Chief Registrar and it shall be entered in the "Marine Register Book". Section XI : After 60 days it shall not be lawful for the Deputy or the Chief Registrar to register a birth. Provided that : it shall be lawful for ANY PERSON PRESENT AT THE BIRTH or for the father or guardian thereof WITHIN 6 CALENDAR MONTHS to make a solemn declaration before the Deputy or the Chief Registrar and the book shall be signed ( by both the registrar and the informant. Any person WHO ENDEAVOURED to register a child after 12 months : fine £5 However, major changes came in 1899 when late registration of a birth with evidence, was possible through the Supreme Court or the County Court............ It looks to me as though the "friend & neighbour" might have been asked to register Thomas when he went to Geelong, and as a person "present at the birth" he could register the birth "within 6 months" without a fine. It is possible that the child John was given a later date of birth, pretending that the birth was recent, to evade the fine for late registration. It would be interesting to see the ages attributed to the children on a parent's death certificate. and whether there were two children John & Thomas, a year apart? I'm fascinated! Regards Ada At 17:13 04-11-03 +1000, Don Watson wrote: >Would any member care to comment on the following problem? >I have two birth certificates, details as follows - >1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. >2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, >born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, >woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > >How did they manage it? >Any suggestions? > >Don Watson > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Don I see John died in his year of birth. BROOKS, John CD 96392 Death Father: William Mother: Butcher Elizabeth Birthplace: Rose Reg Year: 1866 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 7486 Have you got a copy of that entry, if you have I assume that no additional info was noted that might help solve the problem. Regards Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > How did they manage it? > Any suggestions? > > Don Watson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm >

Just to add more confusion,it is possible to have twins born several weeks apart. My step-brother is proof of that. His twin died having been born very early due to an injury to my step-mum, but she successfully carried her other twin. Sometimes, people don't even know there is another twin still remaining inside and I am sure I have read two conception dates are not unknown, just very , very rare. Plus, my neighbour found twins in her tree, Elizabeth and Mary Jane born 1861. Mary Jane died aged three and the Mum married straight after, but the new husband, a widow, already had a young daughter called Elizabeth, so the poor child had her name swapped to that of her dead twin. She never knew this, but also celebrated the wrong birth date and year all her life. She grew up celebrating her birthday for the date (and year) of her twins death.(so you can imagine, she would have been very big for her age at school !!) The mystery only came to light when no birth certificate could be found for her. Did a wider search, and received a birth certificate , AND the death certificate for the child aged three , so how could she have been my neighbour's gg grandmother? (Even the ladies in the registry office were curious by now.) We discovered the details about the twins , death, and subsequent remarriage and christian name swap , all on the same day- which just happened to be the date poor old Mary Jane had always wrongly celebrated her birthday. I'm sure she was watching over us and having a good laugh as we solved the mystery. I guess genealogy just wasn't on their thoughts way back then! But then, it wouldn't be so much fun, would it? Jo

Thank you for comments. I should not have used the word "Certificates". Both are photocopies of the original register. I omitted to mention that both say - married Geelong, 1865. Does anyone know the time limitations on registration of a birth? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > How did they manage it? > Any suggestions? > > Don Watson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm >

Hi Neil, Copies of the Colac & District Pioneers' and Settlers' Register Vol. 2 , Pre 1920 are available for $30 plus $10 postage and handling. Contains over 200 pages, with a number of pioneer/settlers' stories and photographs and Colac & District Pioneer Register, Vol. 1 Pre 1900, priced at $15, plus $3 postage and handling. (There are not many of Vol. 1 left). 60 pages - along same theme as above. Both available from the Colac & District Family History Group Inc. at:- The History Centre, COPACC building, Gellibrand St, Colac. Vic. 3250 or by post from - Colac & District Family History Group Inc. P.O. Box 219, Colac. Vic. 3250. Forward payment & details to Colac & District Family History Group Inc. Regards, Shirley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Campbell" <neils1@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Can anyone tell me where to get these, as I am > also interested in the early settlers in the > Geelong area. > Fran :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > > > > Hi List > > > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > > > Grahame Thom > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Churches : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

Can anyone tell me where to get these, as I am also interested in the early settlers in the Geelong area. Fran :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Hi List > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > Grahame Thom > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

Could have been a transcription error! Cecily matthews ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dontmba@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > Would any member care to comment on the following problem? > I have two birth certificates, details as follows - > 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, > born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, > laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born > Kidderminster, England. > Informant W Brooks, father. > 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, > woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, > Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born > Kidderminster England. > Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. > > How did they manage it? > Any suggestions? > > Don Watson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > >

Carolyn The dairy was at 72 Roslyn Rd Belmont. Inhabited by Mrs P Martin . She is on the phone and is interested in the site I have passed your emails on to her and she was going into the historical centre in Geelong to try and get the early history of the Roslyn Rd area as it is her back yard that is moving. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carollyn Williams" <wisteria@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > Peter, > Where did you finally ascertain the dairy was in Roslyn Rd? Certainly west Roslyn Rd at bottom of Highton Hill ie Bellevue Ave now, was a watercourse and east Roslyn Rd descends to the Barwon River flood plain. > Carollyn Williams > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter MacAuslan > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:38 AM > Subject: [GEELONG] Fw: Roslyn Road > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter MacAuslan > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:13 AM > Subject: Roslyn Road > > > My thanks to all who replied to my query > It has raised the query as to what preceded the dairy on the site. > What prompted the query was the movement of the ground in the back yards of the houses on the old dairy site. > James O'Connor mentions a cooling system with water pouring over the roof. > Where did the water go ? > Was a farm on the site before the dairy. > Also the exercise has shown that there is a mass of information on the Belmont /Highton area lying dormant just needing wakening. > There were springs in that area ??? > Thanks again > > Peter MacAuslan > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong Family History Group : > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > >

Hi, no there are no McKean's in Vol. 1 or Vol. 2 of the Colac & District Pioneer Registers. Shirley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac & District Pioneer Register Vol 2 > Hi List > > Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could > someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. > > Grahame Thom > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

Hi my name is Nola Gilcrist (nee Hamilton). names of interest to me are Hamilton. Ward. Lawrence. Thanks Nola

Hi List Re the two Volumes of Colac and District Pioneer & Settlers Register could someeone let me know if the surname McKean appears please. Grahame Thom

Hi Don, One suggestion is that the first child was not registered within the required time, and the parents fabricated a later birth date to avoid the fuss/fines applicable. A clue to this would be if the first child was listed as 'not present'. It would be a dead giveaway if the child was present but say walking! Have you checked out the first child's death age to see if it corresponds with an earlier birth date? best wishes, Jenny

Would any member care to comment on the following problem? I have two birth certificates, details as follows - 1. Registered at Belfast 31 July 1866, birth of John BROOKS, born Rosebrook, 16 July 1866. Father William BROOKS, laborer, aged 32, born Yorkshire England. Mother Elizabeth BROOKS, nee BUTCHER, age 20, born Kidderminster, England. Informant W Brooks, father. 2. Registered at Geelong 29 October 1866, birth of Thomas Alfred BROOKS, born Sutherland Creek, 11 June 1866. Father William BROOKS, woolsorter, aged 30, born Yorkshire England, Mother Elizabeth BROOKS nee BUTCHER, aged 21 born Kidderminster England. Informant John Wilson, acquaintance and neighbour. How did they manage it? Any suggestions? Don Watson