Hello Graham, Having read the below comments, I hope you head your will: "Graham X, commonly known as Grahame X" to save difficulties for your executor and beneficiaries !!!. (Been there, coped with that!) At 11:59 13-11-03 +1100, you wrote: >I am sending this message again as Bigpond had some problems on Wed 12 Nov >and I suspeck this did not get through. > >Hi Shirley > >My guess is that a lot of people change their given names but dont do >anything legal. I have always used GRAHAME but my birth was registered as >GRAHAM. This has only caused two problems, first getting a passport and >second lodging a claim for life insurance, both I simply used GRAHAM. But I >am GRAHAME on the electoral roll, land titles, marriage registration, bank >accounts, enlistment in the defence forces etc. > >You can call yourself anything for most purposes. > >For both NSW and VIC if you wanted to legally change your name it was >usually recored by Deed Poll with the Registery of Deeds which is part of >the Land Titles Office. (These offices could be called by a different name >in some States). Also on ocassions the Deed may have been lodged (and since >the 1980s for all cases) with the Registery of BDMs. > >Generally speaking these kinds of questions can be answered by consulting >Nick Vine Hall's book "Tracing Your Family History in Australia." Your >local public library should have a copy if not ask them to get it. > >cheers > >Grahame regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

I am sending this message again as Bigpond had some problems on Wed 12 Nov and I suspeck this did not get through. Hi Shirley My guess is that a lot of people change their given names but dont do anything legal. I have always used GRAHAME but my birth was registered as GRAHAM. This has only caused two problems, first getting a passport and second lodging a claim for life insurance, both I simply used GRAHAM. But I am GRAHAME on the electoral roll, land titles, marriage registration, bank accounts, enlistment in the defence forces etc. You can call yourself anything for most purposes. For both NSW and VIC if you wanted to legally change your name it was usually recored by Deed Poll with the Registery of Deeds which is part of the Land Titles Office. (These offices could be called by a different name in some States). Also on ocassions the Deed may have been lodged (and since the 1980s for all cases) with the Registery of BDMs. Generally speaking these kinds of questions can be answered by consulting Nick Vine Hall's book "Tracing Your Family History in Australia." Your local public library should have a copy if not ask them to get it. cheers Grahame on 11/11/03 4:47 PM, Shirley Mesman at smesman@alphalink.com.au wrote: > Hi, my grandfather was born Alfred Waldemore John WAITE b. 24 Jan. 1900, > N.S.W. His parents were Oliver John WAITE and Sophia Anna AUHL. In Mar. 1926 > he was married at Colac, Vic., but his name was registered as Walter John > WAITE on cert. He died in 1988, but think names could have been around wrong > way on d.c. Could anyone tell me where to start looking to see if he > officially changed his name or could anyone do a look up for me please? He > moved to Vic. with his family, as a young boy. > > Regards, > Shirley. > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm >

Hello Justin You enquired, after reading my reply to the previous query: ><snip> > >However, major changes came in 1899 when late registration of a birth with >evidence, was possible through the Supreme Court or the County >Court............ > ><snip> Asking what evidence would be needed. My expertise is from those who applied to the Supreme Court, the case records of which Court (Supreme Court, "Miscellaneous" Equity Jurisdiction. VPRS 12024/p001) have survived. I believe that the case records from most County Courts have not survived, all you will get is the listing of the case in the "Deposition Book" if that has survived. And County Courts were local... unlike the Central Supreme Court, so you would have to know where the application was made to identify which County Court. If anything survives, your enquiry is to the Victorian Public Record Office, but I don't expect you will find what you seek i.e. background to his father.. I have notes on all the late registrations 1899-1922 of the Supreme Court, and, of course, your man is not among them EVIDENCE The evidence tendered in the successful applications to the Supreme Court gave: Full names of mother & father, date of marriage, often listing other children The reason the child had not been registered A vaccination certificate or/ baptisimal certificate or / statement of the relevant doctor or /midwife with perhaps a supporting statement from relative or /friend present at the birth The same evidence would be needed at the County Court At 19:07 11-11-03 +1100, you wrote: >I have an ancestor who's birth was registered 23 years after the fact. John >Joseph Johnson, born 1898, registered 1921 in Melbourne. It states on his >birth registration that the birth was registered by the written order of a >judge of the county court. My question is, what evidence would have been >required to register a birth so late, and where might I find the county >court records for this case? I'm at a bit of brick wall with his father, of >the same name, who was listed as born in Sweden. I haven't been able to >find anything else of John snr, so i'm hoping the court records may provide >some more details. > >Thanks, > >Justin Heath McDonald > >PS: I posted this same query to the AUS-MELBOURNE list some time ago, and >then it appeared in the last AIGS "Genealogist" magazine, thank you to the >person who submitted it, unless there is someone else looking into the same >person. The AIGS would not usually publish unless authorized... but I see they just say "John" birth 1898, late registration 1921 and "County Court" so it may be someone hoping to learn from your position without revealing who the enquirer was. An email to info@aigs.org.au directed to the Editor may receive a reply on the origin of the query. regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Shirley As in most families both now and in the past, but especially in the past. We have many, and I mean many in our lines who have used different names, as many were named after living rellies, so to stop confusion they used their middle names or an alias. This makes it hard when looking for your line, as many certificates have an incorrect name showing on them. Surnames were the same, our family name is 'Campbell' for the last two generations, although our gr grandfather was a 'Cambell' but he was illiterate, hence will still can not find who our lines are. All this means is our name has never been changed , but registrations at that time, you did not need any proof of who you were. Seeing many registrations of the past with "inaccurate" information, to say the least. Goodluck Fran :-)

Thank you to all who sent me information re these families. I was most appreciative. This filled in many gaps in our family tree. Dorothy

Hi Shirley My guess is that a lot of people change their given names but dont do anything legal. I have always used GRAHAME but my birth was registered as GRAHAM. This has only caused two problems, first getting a passport and second lodging a claim for life insurance, both I simply used GRAHAM. But I am GRAHAME on the electoral roll, land titles, marriage registration, bank accounts, enlistment in the defence forces etc. You can call yourself anything for most purposes. For both NSW and VIC if you wanted to legally change your name it was usually recored by Deed Poll with the Registery of Deeds which is part of the Land Titles Office. (These offices could be called by a different name in some States). Also on ocassions the Deed may have been lodged (and since the 1980s for all cases) with the Registery of BDMs. Generally speaking these kinds of questions can be answered by consulting Nick Vine Hall's book "Tracing Your Family History in Australia." Your local public library should have a copy if not ask them to get it. cheers Grahame on 11/11/03 4:47 PM, Shirley Mesman at smesman@alphalink.com.au wrote: > Hi, my grandfather was born Alfred Waldemore John WAITE b. 24 Jan. 1900, > N.S.W. His parents were Oliver John WAITE and Sophia Anna AUHL. In Mar. 1926 > he was married at Colac, Vic., but his name was registered as Walter John > WAITE on cert. He died in 1988, but think names could have been around wrong > way on d.c. Could anyone tell me where to start looking to see if he > officially changed his name or could anyone do a look up for me please? He > moved to Vic. with his family, as a young boy. > > Regards, > Shirley. > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm >

Hi Paulette The link from Susie's email does not work put go to http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/ and then you can goto Archives@Victoria Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paulette Attwood" <atthomes@mackay.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: [GEELONG] HANCOCK > Thanks Susie for the info that you sent me on the shipping, re HANCOCK & > STANNARD > That site that you told Caroline to look at Prov. > I can't bring up any info, am I pushing the wrong buttons. > > Regards > Paulette > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm >

Had a look at Pioneer indexes -didn't find your John but did find a Walter whose father was Oliver and a few Auhl's Julie Surname: WAITE Given Names: Stanley Richard Father: Oliver Mother: Sophie Death Place: NGEE Age: 83 Age Code: Year: 1985 Reg Number: 06501 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : auhl (18 matches) Total matching records: 18 -------------------- Surname: WAITE Given Names: Sophia Anna Father: Auhl John Mother: Paulina LANG Death Place: BIRR Age: 84 Age Code: Year: 1963 Reg Number: 15536 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : auhl (18 matches) Total matching records: 18 -------------------- Surname: COUSINS Given Names: Alma Lindora Father: Auhl John Mother: Julia Pauline LANG Death Place: CHEL Age: 74 Age Code: Year: 1969 Reg Number: 28248 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : auhl (18 matches) Total matching records: 18 -------------------- Surname: CUNNINGHAM Given Names: Alvena Matilda Father: Auhl John Mother: Pauline Anne LANGE Death Place: GEEL Age: 89 Age Code: Year: 1979 Reg Number: 18085 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : auhl (18 matches) Total matching records: 18 -------------------- Surname: DALY Given Names: Ctina Albertina Father: Auhl John Mother: Pauline LANG Death Place: GLONG W Age: 58 Age Code: Year: 1943 Reg Number: 17761 Event: D Surname: PENALUNA Given Names: Mabel Oyillia Father: Auhl Wm John Mother: Paulina UNKNOWN Death Place: GLONG Age: 51 Age Code: Year: 1948 Reg Number: 18473 Event: D

Thanks for this. Mary Ann Chitty was my great grandmother. We are lucky to have a number of photos. Thanks Dean On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 04:22 PM, JulieMWhyte@aol.com wrote: > Found this on pioneer indexes.Hope it helps > Julie > > Surname: CHITTY > Given Names: Mary Ann > Father: Horsey Charles > Mother: Emma HODDINOTT > Death Place: RMOND > Age: 72 > Age Code: > Year: 1931 > Reg Number: 11474 > Event: D > > Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 > > > Query > ----- > Father : horsey (27 matches) > > Total matching records: 27 > -------------------- > > Surname: GRUBER > Given Names: Alice Eta > Father: Horsey Charles > Mother: Emma HODDENOTT > Death Place: BRIG > Age: 95 > Age Code: > Year: 1964 > Reg Number: 7675 > Event: D > > Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 > > > Query > ----- > Surname : horsey (34 matches) > Given Names : charles (40541 matches) > > Total matching records: 1 > -------------------- > > Surname: HORSEY > Given Names: Charles Frederic > Father: Henry > Mother: UNKNOWN > Death Place: MELB > Age: 85 > Age Code: > Year: 1957 > Reg Number: 5694 > Event: D > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > >

Back then County Courts were literally that - there was a County Court at many country locations with judges in residence - unlike today where the court is centralised in Melbourne and judges go on circuit. I suspect the records would be from the court where the birth was registered. If they still exist they would probably be at the Public Records Office. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin McDonald" <justin@shinethrough.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > I have an ancestor who's birth was registered 23 years after the fact. John > Joseph Johnson, born 1898, registered 1921 in Melbourne. It states on his > birth registration that the birth was registered by the written order of a > judge of the county court. My question is, what evidence would have been > required to register a birth so late, and where might I find the county > court records for this case? I'm at a bit of brick wall with his father, of > the same name, who was listed as born in Sweden. I haven't been able to > find anything else of John snr, so i'm hoping the court records may provide > some more details. > > Thanks, > > Justin Heath McDonald > > PS: I posted this same query to the AUS-MELBOURNE list some time ago, and > then it appeared in the last AIGS "Genealogist" magazine, thank you to the > person who submitted it, unless there is someone else looking into the same > person. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? > > > Hello Don and Listers, > > <snip> > > However, major changes came in 1899 when late registration of a birth with > evidence, was possible through the Supreme Court or the County > Court............ > > <snip> > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

I have an ancestor who's birth was registered 23 years after the fact. John Joseph Johnson, born 1898, registered 1921 in Melbourne. It states on his birth registration that the birth was registered by the written order of a judge of the county court. My question is, what evidence would have been required to register a birth so late, and where might I find the county court records for this case? I'm at a bit of brick wall with his father, of the same name, who was listed as born in Sweden. I haven't been able to find anything else of John snr, so i'm hoping the court records may provide some more details. Thanks, Justin Heath McDonald PS: I posted this same query to the AUS-MELBOURNE list some time ago, and then it appeared in the last AIGS "Genealogist" magazine, thank you to the person who submitted it, unless there is someone else looking into the same person. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Late arriving twins? Hello Don and Listers, <snip> However, major changes came in 1899 when late registration of a birth with evidence, was possible through the Supreme Court or the County Court............ <snip>

Hi, my grandfather was born Alfred Waldemore John WAITE b. 24 Jan. 1900, N.S.W. His parents were Oliver John WAITE and Sophia Anna AUHL. In Mar. 1926 he was married at Colac, Vic., but his name was registered as Walter John WAITE on cert. He died in 1988, but think names could have been around wrong way on d.c. Could anyone tell me where to start looking to see if he officially changed his name or could anyone do a look up for me please? He moved to Vic. with his family, as a young boy. Regards, Shirley.

Hi Caroline Fort very early arrivals from Launceston try the following book. Syme M and Hart J, Passengers and Crew Departing Launceston 1833-1837 The only copy I have seen is in the Genealogical Society of Victoria library. The State Library does not seem to have a copy. Grahame on 10/11/03 7:36 PM, Nunya at ajcass@tpg.com.au wrote: > Hi Susie > Can you tell me where I can find the shipping list VDL to Victoria, I am > looking for the arrival into Victoria of Frederick Allen, who was sent to > VDL, and Majory Luke. > They were married in Geelong in 1845. As I cannot find Majory on any > shipping list She may have first came to VDL first. > thanks Caroline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susie Zada" <szada@zades.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HANCOCK > > >> Hi Paulette, >> >> Don't spend too much time looking at the PRO Vic shipping as that does not >> include people arriving in Vic from Van Diemens Land. >> >> The Bellarine Historical Society has a heap of information on the HANCOCKs >> from our own records as well as different bits submitted by descendants. >> According to what I have here, William HANCOCK and Rebecca STANNARD were >> both on the Royal George which arrived in Hobart 5th February 1837. They >> were married in Hobart 11th September 1837. >> >> I have Mary Jane's birth as 16th April 1838 - think that looks like a >> shotgun job! <vbg> but I'm wondering if perhaps the date you have for >> William Henry might be a baptism date? I've got 17th February 1841. Or >> else we have the wrong date! >> >> William, Rebecca and Mary Jane came to Vic from VDL on the Charlotte in >> 1839 - I haven't followed up the date but the Charlotte did many trips in >> 1839 between Launceston and Melbourne. >> >> Hope that helps ....... Susie Z > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm >

Thanks Susie for the info that you sent me on the shipping, re HANCOCK & STANNARD That site that you told Caroline to look at Prov. I can't bring up any info, am I pushing the wrong buttons. Regards Paulette

Found this on pioneer indexes.Hope it helps Julie Surname: CHITTY Given Names: Mary Ann Father: Horsey Charles Mother: Emma HODDINOTT Death Place: RMOND Age: 72 Age Code: Year: 1931 Reg Number: 11474 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : horsey (27 matches) Total matching records: 27 -------------------- Surname: GRUBER Given Names: Alice Eta Father: Horsey Charles Mother: Emma HODDENOTT Death Place: BRIG Age: 95 Age Code: Year: 1964 Reg Number: 7675 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Surname : horsey (34 matches) Given Names : charles (40541 matches) Total matching records: 1 -------------------- Surname: HORSEY Given Names: Charles Frederic Father: Henry Mother: UNKNOWN Death Place: MELB Age: 85 Age Code: Year: 1957 Reg Number: 5694 Event: D

More Devlins for you. LOOKS LIKE FAMILY MOVED TO SWAN HILL Julie Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Query ----- Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : keig (3 matches) Total matching records: 3 -------------------- Surname: DEVLIN Given Names: Sarah Event: B Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Geo Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane KEIG Age: Age Code: Birth Place: BARRAPOORT Death Place: Year: 1890 Reg. Number: 9764 Surname: DEVLIN Given Names: Sarah Event: D Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Geo Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane KEIG Age: 7 Age Code: M Birth Place: Death Place: Boort Year: 1890 Reg. Number: 10703 Digger - Edwardian Index. Victoria 1902-1913 Query ----- Spouse Surname/Fathe : WARD (720 matches) Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : DEVLIN (76 matches) Total matching records: 1 -------------------- Surname: WARD Given Names: Not Stated Male Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Ward Albt Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizth DEVLIN Age: Age Code: D Birth Place: Death Place: Swan Hill Year: 1902 Reg. Number: 3610 Digger - Great War Index. Victoria 1914-1920 Query ----- Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : DEVLIN (62 matches) Total matching records: 62 -------------------- Surname: WARD Given Names: Clifford Jno Event: B Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Albt Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizth DEVLIN Age: Age Code: Birth Place: SWAN HILL Death Place: Year: 1914 Reg. Number: 26775 Surname: WARD Given Names: Edna Adelaide Event: B Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Albt Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elzth DEVLIN Age: Age Code: Birth Place: SWAN HILL Death Place: Year: 1916 Reg. Number: 25109 Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : WARD (1493 matches) Mother : DEVLIN (217 matches) Total matching records: 2 -------------------- Surname: SCHWENNESEN Given Names: Winifred Lyle Father: Ward Albert Mother: Eliz DEVLIN Death Place: B MARSH Age: 42 Age Code: Year: 1948 Reg Number: 17627 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : ALBERT (16965 matches) Mother : DEVLIN (217 matches) Total matching records: 5 -------------------- Surname: WARD Given Names: Clifford John Father: Albert Mother: Elizabeth DEVLIN Death Place: SWAN Age: 60 Age Code: Year: 1975 Reg Number: 13662 Event: D Surname: WARD Given Names: Henry Robert Father: Albert Mother: Elizabeth DEVLIN Death Place: SWAN Age: 65 Age Code: Year: 1975 Reg Number: 4341 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Father : ALBERT (16965 matches) Mother : DEVLIN (217 matches) Total matching records: 5 -------------------- Surname: WARD Given Names: Edmund Albert Father: Albert Mother: Elizabeth DEVLIN Death Place: SWAN Age: 76 Age Code: Year: 1979 Reg Number: 20626 Event: D

After Richard Browne died in Ballarat in 1867 his Widow Sarah nee Cheadle resided in MurraySt East --Colac with her daughter Emily Phillis Browne. Sarah's son Arthur Browne and his wife Elizabeth also lived in Murray St. Arthur was a contractor. Sarah's sister was Emma Moyle of Colac. Sarah died in 1900 & is buried in the Colac cemetery--no Headstone. Arthur and his wife eventually moved to Melbourne and died in Sandringham. We have been unable to trace the whereabouts of **Emily Phillis Browne**She was aged 34 yrs when her mother died. Richard Browne was my grt grt grandfather. I would appreciate any information re the above family -- their time in Colac and else where. ( we have details re Ballarat ) Would also like contact re Emma Moyle eg descendants. Greetings Judith Robbins.

Hi Dorothy, Albert WARD was born in South Australia in 1865, died Swan Hill 1939. Regards ...... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell & Dorothy Devlin" <rustydoor@netspace.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Devlin -,Ward families > I am researching the Elizabeth Devlin who married a Mr. Ward at Queenscliff. I believe Elizabeth was born in 1881 and died 1935 and Mr Ward was born in approx. 1865. > Does anyone have any clues please? > > Dorothy. > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > >

Hi Caroline, There are various lists - and even more that just have "4 passengers" and no names. There are some that came under a particular scheme such as the Geelong & Portland Bay Immigration Society. There are a few indexes but maybe they cover about 1% of passengers from VDL to Port Phillip. Search the PROV archives@victoria collection (not the Immigration Index for British & Overseas ports) for shipping arrivals from VDL. Sorry - it's a long hard slog and you may still never find them arriving in Vic. Try arrivals from overseas to Tasmania - Tas Archives or large genie libraries who may have Tas shipping. Regards ..... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nunya" <ajcass@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HANCOCK > Hi Susie > Can you tell me where I can find the shipping list VDL to Victoria, I am > looking for the arrival into Victoria of Frederick Allen, who was sent to > VDL, and Majory Luke. > They were married in Geelong in 1845. As I cannot find Majory on any > shipping list She may have first came to VDL first. > thanks Caroline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susie Zada" <szada@zades.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HANCOCK > > > > Hi Paulette, > > > > Don't spend too much time looking at the PRO Vic shipping as that does not > > include people arriving in Vic from Van Diemens Land. > > > > The Bellarine Historical Society has a heap of information on the HANCOCKs > > from our own records as well as different bits submitted by descendants. > > According to what I have here, William HANCOCK and Rebecca STANNARD were > > both on the Royal George which arrived in Hobart 5th February 1837. They > > were married in Hobart 11th September 1837. > > > > I have Mary Jane's birth as 16th April 1838 - think that looks like a > > shotgun job! <vbg> but I'm wondering if perhaps the date you have for > > William Henry might be a baptism date? I've got 17th February 1841. Or > > else we have the wrong date! > > > > William, Rebecca and Mary Jane came to Vic from VDL on the Charlotte in > > 1839 - I haven't followed up the date but the Charlotte did many trips in > > 1839 between Launceston and Melbourne. > > > > Hope that helps ....... Susie Z > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > >

Emma Hoddinott and Charles Horsey had their marriage at Christ Church Geelong. Would you be able to tell me if any of their children were christened at that location? Thanks Dean Melbourne First Generation 1. Emma Hoddinott. Born in 1836 in Frome,Somerset, England. Emma died in 17 Railway Place, South Melbourne from kidney Disease on 13 Feb 1882; she was 46. Buried on 14 Feb 1882 in Melbourne General Cemetery. C of E EE 944. There are about 12 or 13 George HODDINOTTS of child bearing age, if we include Ann's own father George, born 1792. A likely contender, given the Hoddinott tendency to marry cousins, is Ann's cousin George Hoddinott, who was baptised on 12 November 1820 at Witham Friary.&nbsp;&nbsp; He was the son ofAnn's father's brother, John Hoddinott, who married Maria BUTLER and had Bollow Farm for many years.&nbsp;&nbsp; Cousin George went on to marry Elizabeth PHILLIPS of Malmesbury, Witshire, and to have a large family.&nbsp; No evidence of a link though. On 29 Dec 1857 when Emma was 21, she first married Charles Appleby Horsey, son of George Horsey (1807-1877) & Mary Appleby (1810-1847), in Christ Church Moorabool Street Geelong. Born in 1828 in Kingsdon,Somerset,England. Charles Appleby died in Melbourne, Victoria on 7 Nov 1871; he was 43. Buried on 9 Nov 1871 in Melbourne General Cemetery. C of E EE 944. Christened on 30 Oct 1828 in Kingsdon,Somerset,England. Immigrated in Sep 1856 to Melbourne. Ship: Queen of the Seas. Occupation: Carpenter. Charles was still living with his parents at the time of the 1851 census. Arrived on Queen of the Seas 9 Sep 1856 Aged 27 in Port of Melbourne from New York. Feb 1862 residing in Skene Street Geelong according to cemetery records for deceased daughter. December 1866 cemetery records state residing in South Melborne. They had the following children: 2 i. Mary Ann (1859-1931) 3 ii. Ada Emma (Died as Infant) (1861-1862) 4 iii. Emma Ada (1862-) 5 iv. Celia Louisa (Died as Infant) (1866-1866) 6 v. Alice Eta (1868-) On 31 Jan 1874 when Emma was 38, she second married George Wright, in St James Church, Melbourne. Born in 1824 in Scotland. They had one child: 7 i. Georgina (1874-1949) Second Generation 2. Mary Ann Horsey. Born on 9 Jun 1859 in Geelong. Mary Ann died in Richmond in 1931; she was 71. Buried on 25 Sep 1931 in Burwood Cemetery. 27L. Religion: C of E. Lived at 29 Khartoum Street On 4 Feb 1879 when Mary Ann was 19, she married William Chitty, son of Charles Chitty (1809-1884) & Phoebi Maria SAWYER (1821-1876), in Holy Trinity Church, Sandridge. Witnesses: Emma Ada Horsey & George Wright. Born on 30 Dec 1857 in Church Street, Richmond. William died on 28 Apr 1918; he was 60. Buried on 29 Apr 1918 in Burwood Cemetery. 27L. Christened on 31 Jan 1858 in St Stephens Church Richmond. Occupation: Wool Classer. Religion: C of E. Lived at 29 Khartoum Street Will & Probate 7591/P2 582 157/618 28 P3 822 157/618 Probate settled 19/6/1918 They had the following children: i. Charles Appleby Horsey (1880-1943) ii. William Edward (1881-1950) iii. Mary Emma ( Sis )1 (1883-) iv. Emily Phoebe Maria (1885-1967) v. Henry Sawyer (1887-1955) vi. Struan Betrand (1890-1917) vii. Roy Leslie (1892-1959) viii. Francis Alice ( Fran ) (1896-1967) ix. Alice Rose (1899-1917) x. Edna Elena Doris (1902-1979) Mary & William lived all their lives in Richmond & were loved by all. 3. Ada Emma Horsey. Born in 1861 in Geelong. Ada Emma died in Geelong in Feb 1862; she was 1. Buried on 28 Feb 1862 in Geelong Western Public Cemetery. Residence. Skene Street Headstone forAda Emma & Celia is in very bad condition ( 2003 ) having brocken from base and toppled over facing the ground. Inscription now very difficult to read. Ada Emma daughter of Charles & Emma who departed the - - - Sweet little one - - - and the - - - And till thy Parent - - - is all that can now be easily read. 4. Emma Ada Horsey. Born in 1862 in Geelong. Living at 171Railway Place N. Sandridge in 1882 when her mother dies. Emma signs authorisation for her fathers grave to be opened so mother can be interned with her first husband. Emma is the informant on her mothers Death Certificate. In 1884 when Emma Ada was 22, she married George Marsham. They had one child: i. Emma Ada (1885-) 5. Celia Louisa Horsey. Born in 1866. Celia Louisa died in Dec 1866. Buried on 15 Dec 1866 in Geelong Western Public Cemetery. Residence. South Melbourne. Died aged 9 months. 6. Alice Eta Horsey. Born in 1868. In 1889 when Alice Eta was 21, she first married Henrich Gruber. Born in Hanover. Alice Eta second married David Hugh Criffith. They had the following children: i. Elizabeth (1893-1900) ii. David Thomas (1899-) iii. Florence Lillian (1900-1900) iv. Gorden (1900-1900) v. Mercy Florence (1903-1907) 7. Georgina Wright. Born in 1874 in West Melbourne. Reg.24527. Georgina died in Kew in 1949; she was 75. In 1896 when Georgina was 22, she married Henry Randal Claringbold, son of Daniel William Claringbold & Murrell Chtte. Born in 1871. Henry Randal died in Kew in 1934; he was 63. They had the following children: i. Henry George (1896-1971) ii. Alice Victoria (1901-1964) Sources 1. Mary known as auntie Sis. Index Chitty Alice Rose child of 2 Charles Appleby Horsey child of 2 Edna Elena Doris child of 2 Emily Phoebe Maria child of 2 Francis Alice ( Fran ) child of 2 Henry Sawyer child of 2 Mary Emma ( Sis ) child of 2 Roy Leslie child of 2 Struan Betrand child of 2 William spouse of 2 William Edward child of 2 Claringbold Alice Victoria child of 7 Henry George child of 7 Henry Randal spouse of 7 Criffith David Hugh spouse of 6 David Thomas child of 6 Elizabeth child of 6 Florence Lillian child of 6 Gorden child of 6 Mercy Florence child of 6 Gruber Henrich spouse of 6 Hoddinott Emma 1 Horsey Ada Emma 3 Alice Eta 6 Celia Louisa 5 Charles Appleby spouse of 1 Emma Ada 4 Mary Ann 2 Marsham Emma Ada child of 4 George spouse of 4 Wright George spouse of 1 Georgina 7 > ely it was a one off and the Archdeacon doesn't like looking up > records as he feels he has enough to do all ready. I was going to > suggest you e-mail Coleen Jones at the Heritage Centre as they have a > lot of the Christ Church marriages, but unfortunately Coleen is in > hospital. So if you can give me the information off list I will see > what I can do for you > Dianne Hughes > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > >