Hi Listers, Godfrey Hirst still manufaures carpet at a Benalla factory. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion" <mazzie@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2004 11:34 Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > Pam, For what it's worth... another tit-bit about Godfrey Hirst.

Hi Patrick Thanks for this information. Very kind of you. Dean On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 02:55 PM, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote: > G'day again Dean, > Here's Louisa (I think) missed it before because of the spelling Waurn > Ponds was abt 5 miles from Geelong. > Cheers... > Pat.. > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > Query > ----- > Surname : com* (1182 matches) > Spouse Surname/Fathe : h* (131529 matches) > Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : an* (227915 matches) > > Total matching records: 16 > -------------------- > > Surname: COMBES > Given Names: Louisa > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: Henry > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann > Age: > Sex: F > Birth Place: WAURN PNDS > Death Place: > Year: 1851 > Reg Number: 22653 > Denomination: Church of England > Parish: CHRIST CHURCH, GEELONG > Fiche: 340 > > > At 3/01/2004 Saturday02:17 PM, you wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Could someone with access to the BDM cd-rom please check the details >> for the three children listed below for Henry Coombs. We have two >> Sarahs running at the one time. Is Sarah Ann listed as Mary Ann? Any >> information on Sarah born 1856? >> >> Thanks >> >> Dean >> >> >> Name: Henry COOMBS1 >> >> Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble >> Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 >> Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 >> Religion: Methodist >> Father: Thomas COOMBES >> Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) >> Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset >> Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns >> >> Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 >> >> Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset >> Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from >> Disease of the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 >> Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. >> 253 No other persons in grave. >> Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome >> Religion: C of E >> Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) >> Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) >> Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson >> >> >> 4 F: Louisa COOMBS >> Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. >> Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 >> Spouse: Henry William Ellis >> Marriage: 18765 >> >> F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS >> Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. >> Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 >> Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X >> >> >> 7 F: Sarah COOMBS >> Birth: 1856 >> >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >> Geelong Family History Group : >> http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > pat@ozonline.com.au > www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) > ICQ# 17057235 > PO Box 65A > Armadale, 3143 > Victoria, Australia > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > >

G'day again Dean, Here's Louisa (I think) missed it before because of the spelling Waurn Ponds was abt 5 miles from Geelong. Cheers... Pat.. Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Query ----- Surname : com* (1182 matches) Spouse Surname/Fathe : h* (131529 matches) Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : an* (227915 matches) Total matching records: 16 -------------------- Surname: COMBES Given Names: Louisa Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Henry Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann Age: Sex: F Birth Place: WAURN PNDS Death Place: Year: 1851 Reg Number: 22653 Denomination: Church of England Parish: CHRIST CHURCH, GEELONG Fiche: 340 At 3/01/2004 Saturday02:17 PM, you wrote: >Hi, > >Could someone with access to the BDM cd-rom please check the details for >the three children listed below for Henry Coombs. We have two Sarahs >running at the one time. Is Sarah Ann listed as Mary Ann? Any information >on Sarah born 1856? > >Thanks > >Dean > > >Name: Henry COOMBS1 > >Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble >Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 >Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 >Religion: Methodist >Father: Thomas COOMBES >Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) >Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset >Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns > >Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 > >Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset >Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of >the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 >Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 >No other persons in grave. >Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome >Religion: C of E >Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) >Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) >Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson > > >4 F: Louisa COOMBS >Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. >Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 >Spouse: Henry William Ellis >Marriage: 18765 > >F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS >Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. >Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 >Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > > >7 F: Sarah COOMBS >Birth: 1856 > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong Family History Group : >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

G'day Dean, As requested:-) Cheers... Pat... Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Query ----- Surname : coom* (507 matches) Spouse Surname/Fathe : h* (131529 matches) Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : an* (227915 matches) Total matching records: 6 -------------------- Surname: COOMBS Given Names: Mary Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Henry Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann HODDINETT Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1857 Reg Number: 2595 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: COOMBS Given Names: John Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Henry Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann HODDINETT Age: Sex: Birth Place: BBOOL HLS Death Place: Year: 1858 Reg Number: 7199 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: COOMBS Given Names: Elizabeth Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Henry Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann HODDINETT Age: Sex: Birth Place: CERES Death Place: Year: 1861 Reg Number: 2886 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: COOMBS Given Names: Henry Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Henry Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann HODDINOTT Age: Sex: Birth Place: BARR Death Place: Year: 1862 Reg Number: 14701 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: COOMBS Given Names: Sarah Ann Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Henry Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann HODINOTT Age: 11 Sex: Birth Place: BARR Death Place: Year: 1863 Reg Number: 1401 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: At 3/01/2004 Saturday02:17 PM, you wrote: >Hi, > >Could someone with access to the BDM cd-rom please check the details for >the three children listed below for Henry Coombs. We have two Sarahs >running at the one time. Is Sarah Ann listed as Mary Ann? Any information >on Sarah born 1856? > >Thanks > >Dean > > >Name: Henry COOMBS1 > >Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble >Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 >Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 >Religion: Methodist >Father: Thomas COOMBES >Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) >Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset >Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns > >Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 > >Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset >Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of >the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 >Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 >No other persons in grave. >Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome >Religion: C of E >Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) >Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) >Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson > > >4 F: Louisa COOMBS >Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. >Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 >Spouse: Henry William Ellis >Marriage: 18765 > >F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS >Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. >Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 >Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > > >7 F: Sarah COOMBS >Birth: 1856 > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong Family History Group : >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

Hi, Could someone with access to the BDM cd-rom please check the details for the three children listed below for Henry Coombs. We have two Sarahs running at the one time. Is Sarah Ann listed as Mary Ann? Any information on Sarah born 1856? Thanks Dean Name: Henry COOMBS1 Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 Religion: Methodist Father: Thomas COOMBES Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 No other persons in grave. Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome Religion: C of E Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson 4 F: Louisa COOMBS Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 Spouse: Henry William Ellis Marriage: 18765 F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X 7 F: Sarah COOMBS Birth: 1856

Hi Peter, I've made some changes to my notes to include the two children born at sea. My information has come from various sources and mistakes have crept in and multiplied. Some of the birth dates may be baptisms dates and some of the death dates may be burial dates. The only way to be 100% is to purchase all the certificates from BDM and then to check them off against all other sources. Geelong Cemeteries trust lists Mary Ann as Sarah Ann Coombs. Perhaps she was known by two names. We seem to have two Marys or two Sarhas going at the same time. In due couse I will try to get to the GSV and have alook at the cd-rom of BDMs. Thanks Dean Name: Henry COOMBS1 Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 Religion: Methodist Father: Thomas COOMBES Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 No other persons in grave. Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome Religion: C of E Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson Children 1 M: Thomas COOMBS Birth: 31 Jan 1847 Upton Noble, Somerset UK. Death: 15 Feb 1849 At Sea Age: 2 2 F: Louisa COOMBS Birth: 23 Jan 1848 Upton Noble, Somerset, UK. Death: 26 Feb 1849 At Sea Age: 1 3 M: Thomas COOMBS Birth: 5 Apr 1849 At Sea Death: Oct 1928 Barrabool Hills. Age: 79 Burial: 23 Oct 1928 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X Occupation: Bootmaker, 336 LaTrobe Terrace. Spouse: Emma Ann Wilson Marriage: 1874 4 F: Louisa COOMBS Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 Spouse: Henry William Ellis Marriage: 1876 5 F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X 6 M: George COOMBS Birth: 1854 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Death: 17 Sep 1934 Ballarat, victoria, Australia Age: 80 Spouse: Elizabeth ROWE Marriage: 1 Jan 1878 Ballarat, victoria, Australia 7 F: Sarah COOMBS Birth: 1856 8 F: Mary COOMBS Birth: 1857 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Death: 28 May 1935 Belmont, Geelong, Victoria Age: 78 Spouse: Henry Stanley West Marriage: 1874 9 M: John COOMBS Birth: 21 Mar 1858 Barrabool Hills. Death: 31 Dec 1934 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Age: 76 Spouse: Ellen Timewell Marriage: 30 Sep 1886 Footscray, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 10 F: Elizabeth Lizzie COOMBS Birth: 1861 Ceres Death: 5 Jul 1947 Mc Kilop St. Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 86 Spouse: Arthur Grigg Marriage: 1889 Barrabool Hills. 11 M: Henry COOMBS Birth: 1862 Barrabool Hills. Death: 1942 Barrabool Hills. Age: 80 Burial: 9 Jul 1942 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist 2 * 254 Burial Memo: Retired of Belmont. Spouse: Mary Elizabeth ( Lillian ) Beck Marriage: 1886 Notes for Henry COOMBS Others may be better able to answer this than I, but according to my notes, Henry COOMBS was a bachelor of Upton Noble, of full age, when he married Ann HODDINOTT, spinster of the parish of Witham Friary, on 18 Feb 1846, by banns; Henry signed his name in the register but Ann made her mark. Henry's father was Thomas COOMBS (b. 1784), Stone Mason, and his mother Mary JUKES (b. 1779). Henry was baptised on 1 Sep 1822 at Upton Noble, in the South East of Somerset. This village had a population of about 300 when Henry was born, most of them agricultural labourers. Ann was the third of nine children of George HODDINOTT (1792 -1933) and Mary CLARK (b. 1795). [See the Hoddinott tree on David's other website.] Ann was baptised on 23 May 1818 [?] at Tytherington. Henry and Ann migrated to Australia in 1849 as Government Assisted Emigrants. They sailed on the 'Sir George Seymour,' a vessel of 850 tons, which left Plymouth, Devon, on January 9. During the voyage, the youngest of their children, Thomas (born 1847) and Louisa (born 1848), died and were buried at sea on February 15 and 26 respectively. Ann subsequently gave birth to a baby boy on April 5, who was christened Thomas. The Coombs family arrived at Point Henry, Victoria, on May 14 1849. They remained in the Immigration Depot for eight days before leaving to find their own accommodation in Geelong, where they were still living when Mary and John were born in 1857 and 1858. In the 1899 Australian census, Henry is listed as a farmer of Ceres, near Geelong, Victoria. He died on 1 Feb 1903 and was buried 2 days later at Highton Cemetery, Barrabool Hills. According to the burial records he was a Methodist. Ann was buried at Highton Cemetery on 29 Dec 1884. Migration details from: Florence Chuk (1987) The Somerset Years: Government Assisted Emigrants from Somerset and Bristol who Arrived in Port Phillip Victoria, 1839-1854. Ballarat: Pannard Hill Publications, and from Australian colleagues. Notes for Ann HODDINOTT Ann and her husband Henry Coombs and two children, Thomas 1 and Emma 12, arrive in the Port of Geelong on May 14th 1849 as assisted immigrants onboard the Sir George Seymour. They had spent 126 days at sea leaving Plymouth on January 9 1849. Henry is listed as a labourer. A Thomas and Louisa Coombs are recorded as died at Sea. On the balance of evidence Emma was probably not the child of Henry Coombs. Henry was younger than wife Ann and would have only been 13 or 14 when Emma was born. On both of Emmas Marriage Certificates she gives her fathers name as George Hoddinott. Unfortunatly, Emmas Death Certificate compounds the problem by listing Henry Coombs as the father. On mother Anns Death Certificate Emma is not listed as a child of Ann. Anns headstone in Highton Cemetery reads At Rest & In Fond Memory of our Dead Parents. Sources 1. Banns. Banns read at Witham Friary 11,18 & 25 Jan. 1841. 2. Jeanette Hellmstrom, Australia. An HODDINOTT & Henry COOMBS emigrated "Sir George Seymore" 1849 to Victoria, Australia. Last Modified: 3 Jan 2004 Created: 3 Jan 2004

Pam, For what it's worth... another tit-bit about Godfrey Hirst. His carpet manufacturing business is still known as Godfrey Hirst NZ Ltd, although it is many years since it was purchased by a man who continued to manufacture here in New Zealand. It is one of the top ranking carpet manufacturers in New Zealand. (Ref. Auckland phone book, and my husband who was in the industry for many years.) I must admit that I don't know specifically where the factory is, but there is a large store/warehouse here in Auckland - perhaps this is also the factory. Regards, Marion > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Churches : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > >

G'day Grahame, Only George Wyer is as below.. Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: WYER Given Names: George Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 42 Sex: Birth Place: NSW Death Place: Year: 1862 Reg Number: 4773 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Cheers... Pat... At 30/12/2003 Tuesday09:20 PM, you wrote: >Hi List > >I was reviewing my papers today and I found that I have a remote link to >Geelong. > >My ancestors Charles James Bullivant had nine children including Julia Ellen >Bullivant born Sydney 1824. In 1843 she married George Isaac Wyer in >Sydney. In one of Charles James Bullivant's land transactions in Sydney in >1871 mention is made of George Wyer now of Sydney lately of Geelong. This >is the only son of George Isaac Wyer and Julie Ellen Bullivant born 1843 in >Sydney. It also says that George senior was lately of Melbourne and died >there in 1860 and Julia died in Melbourne in 1870. > >Has anyone heard of George Wyer of Geelong pre 1871? > >Grahame Thom > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

well maybe he donated to the local church, was a mason, was in the show society, or as owner of a property or place, he would certainly have lands department records and taxation ones. for a start i would try the local lands department or whatever it is called in new south wales, your local one could tell you, and write to them asking for details of his business, where it was etc. he would have to pay land taxes or rates, maybe the local council??? you have to start somewhere. try the lands first. robyn shaw. toowoomba. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > Were there government pensions in the mid to late 1800s? He had his own > business, so I'm not sure if he would qualify. > Do you know of any sources/records I might try? > with thanks, > Alwynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Shaw" <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > maybe trying to see if he got an old age pension might help. maybe he > lived > > long enough? robyn shaw. > > toowoomba. qld. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > Hi, Pam. > > > I don't suppose by any chance you came across a John Martin O'Shannassy > > > (spelt any way, and with or without the O) in your inquest travels? > > > I am having enormous trouble with this family, and have searched > > everywhere > > > for his death. I am now looking for long shots. > > > Any help you can give would be much appreciated. > > > With thanks, > > > Alwynne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:20 PM > > > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > I and another Geelong Family History Group member have almost finished > > > writing up all inquests found in the Geelong Advertiser for the 1860's. > If > > > you have an ancestor whose death involved an inquest, we would be > > delighted > > > to hear from you to perhaps 'add meat to the bones' so to speak of some > > > historical family background to the deceased etc. These inquests will be > > > complied into our 3rd Inquest book, in 2004.regards, Pam Jennings > > > (co-compiler) > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong Family History Group : > > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > >

Thanks to everyone who has responded to my request for information re the Trewin Family.I think I have thanked everyone individually, but if I have missed anyone, sorry. I have some very useful leads and my friend will be delighted. Cheers and best wishes for 2004 Helene Helene J Hayes Pakenham mungungo@nex.net.au Virus Free....Scanned by Vet.

Thanks Alwyne - will keep my eyes open for him! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > Many thanks for your reply, Pam. > All I know is that he had a grocerery and other provisions store, first in > Autumn Street, and then in Mercer Street. He got into financial difficulty > and shot through just before bankruptcy proceedings were launched in sept > 1859. His wife had another child in 1865 (in Geelong), so he may have > returned later. The child was always known as his, and whether he was or > not, for the story to have been credible he must have been known to have > been around in 1865. After that there is no trace of him. There is the > possibility that he was or became a seaman, but I don't know of any sources > for that occupation. > If you have any ideas, they would be most gratefully received! > With thanks, > Alwynne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Hi Alwynne - we are only up to 1869 at this stage and of course not every > > inquest was written up in the Geelong Advertiser. Perhaps a date range of > > when we may perhaps expect to find him would be helpful. regards, Pam > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > Hi, Pam. > > > I don't suppose by any chance you came across a John Martin O'Shannassy > > > (spelt any way, and with or without the O) in your inquest travels? > > > I am having enormous trouble with this family, and have searched > > everywhere > > > for his death. I am now looking for long shots. > > > Any help you can give would be much appreciated. > > > With thanks, > > > Alwynne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:20 PM > > > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > I and another Geelong Family History Group member have almost finished > > > writing up all inquests found in the Geelong Advertiser for the 1860's. > If > > > you have an ancestor whose death involved an inquest, we would be > > delighted > > > to hear from you to perhaps 'add meat to the bones' so to speak of some > > > historical family background to the deceased etc. These inquests will be > > > complied into our 3rd Inquest book, in 2004.regards, Pam Jennings > > > (co-compiler) > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong Family History Group : > > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong Family History Group : > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm >

Thanks Amanda - it all adds to the inform. I am now gathering! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda" <greenthumbs@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > I also have a little bit of information on the HIRST family. My grandparents > used to live next door to Godfrey and Pearl Hirst in Upper Skene Street, > Newtown and often went on family BBQ's to the You Yangs (grandson of the > Godfrey Hirst who married Sarah Carter). I'm also very distantly related as > my great great uncle, Oswyn Leander Lloyd BATTEN married Godfrey's daughter, > Minerva HIRST. > > Happy New Year to all, > Amanda > > 1. Godfrey HIRST. Born in 1857 in Meltham, Yorkshire, England son of Charles > Hirst (born 1823 Hinchclife Mill, Yorkshire, a woollen yarn spinner) and > Minerva Holmes (born 1821 Penistone, Yorkshire). He may have come out > earlier than the rest of his family on the Orient in May 1884 - yet to > confirm. The Excelsior Woollen and Worsted Mills were controlled by Godfrey > Hirst & Co. Pty. Ltd. They were the union of two of the earliest mills in > Victoria, the old Victorian and the old Barwon Mills. Godfrey died in > Geelong on 15 Feb 1917, he was 60. Buried on 17 Feb 1917 in Geelong Eastern > Cemetery. > > On 22 Jul 1876 when Godfrey was 19, he married Sarah CARTER, daughter of > Joseph CARTER (a confectioner) and Hannah, in Huddersfield, York, England. > She was born in 1853 in Meltham, Yorkshire, England. Sarah died in Geelong, > Victoria, Australia in 1925, she was 72, and was buried on 2 Oct 1925 in > Geelong Eastern Cemetery. > > They had the following children: > > 2 i. William > > ii. Joseph. > > 3 iii. Lewis > > 4 iv. Harold > > 5 v. Minerva > > vi. Annie. Born in 1894 in Geelong,. Annie died in Richmond in 1943, she was > 49. She married a Mr. Betts. > > > 2. William HIRST. Born in 1877 in Meltham, York, England. Buried on 4 Sep > 1925 in Geelong Eastern Cemetery. William died in Geelong in 1925, he was > 48. > > In 1901 when William was 24, he married Catherine CAMERON, daughter of John > CAMERON & Elizabeth Munro GUNN. Catherine was born in 1871 in Mt Duneed,. > Catherine died in Geelong in 1965, she was 94 and was buried on 4 Jan 1965 > in Geelong Eastern Cemetery. > > They had the following children: > > i. Ivy. Born in 1902 in Geelong,. Ivy died in Balwyn, Melbourne in 1951, she > was 49. Buried on 31 Aug 1951 in Geelong Eastern Cemetery.ii. Florence > Minerva. Born in 1904 in Geelong. > > iii. Katie. Born in 1905 in Geelong. > > iv. Vera (1907-1977). Married Wal AIKMAN. > > v. Godfrey, born 1910 Geelong.. Married Rosie Eliza Pearl MADDERN (known as > Pearl) - daughter of James MADDERN and Rose MITCHELL. Lived at 3 Upper Skene > Street, Newtown. > > vii. John Cameron (1914-1966) married Thelma. > > 3. Lewis HIRST. Born in 1881 in Yorkshire, England. Lewis died in Newtown, > Geelong on 4 Apr 1951, he was 70. > > On 4 Apr 1905 when Lewis was 24, he married Catherine Florence WILLIAMS, > daughter of Robert WILLIAMS & Hannah PROUT, in Belmont, Geelong,. Catherine > was born in 1880 in Belmont, Geelong. Catherine Florence died in Geelong in > 1954, she was 74. > > They had the following children: > > i. Cedric Lewis (born 1907 Geelong) who married Dorothy CUST. > > ii. Max Lakeman (1910-1965) who married Irene HEDLEY. > > iii. Ivan Williams. Born on 24 Sep 1914 in Geelong. Ivan Williams died in > Geelong in 1984, he was 69. > > > > 4. Harold HIRST. Born in 1883 in Yorkshire, England. Buried on 21 Nov 1934 > in Geelong Eastern Cemetery. Harold died in Geelong in 1934, he was 51. > > In 1902 when Harold was 19, he married Emily May TOMKINS, daughter of John > TOMKINS & Harriet HARRISON, in Geelong. Emily was born on 13 May 1881 in > Geelong. Emily died in Geelong in 1961 and was buried on 12 Jan 1961 in > Geelong Eastern Cemetery, she was 69. > > They had the following children: > > i. Herbert Godfrey. Born on 31 Mar 1903 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. He > died in 1991 aged 87, and was buried on 19 Oct 1991 in Geelong Eastern > Cemetery. > > ii. Constance Harriet. Born in 1904 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. > > iii. German Carter. Born in 1911 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. German > died in 1978 aged 67, and was buried on 22 Oct 1978 in Geelong Eastern > Cemetery. > > 5. Minerva HIRST. Born in 1888 in Geelong. Minerva died in Canterbury, on 22 > Aug 1978, she was 90. Buried in Western Suburbs Crematorium, Victoria. > > On 23 Mar 1912 when Minerva was 24, she married Oswyn Leander Lloyd BATTEN, > son of Thomas BATTEN & Miriam Eliza LLOYD, in Belmont, Geelong. Oswyn was > born in 1883 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Oswyn Leander Lloyd died in > Geelong on 29 Oct 1964, he was 81 and was buried on 30 Oct 1964 in Western > Suburbs Crematorium, Victoria. Occupation: Law Clerk, Grocery Traveller, > Manager Of Golf Club. Education: Geelong College. > > They had the following children: > > i. Bessell Carter (1913-1989) married Alfred Dunbavin BUTCHER (1915-1990). > Alfred was a zoologist and chairman of the Melbourne Zoo from 1962 to 1987. > > ii. Annie Sarah "Nancy". Born in 1915 in Geelong. She died in Geelong in Jun > 1917, she was 2. Buried on 28 Jun 1917 in Geelong Eastern Cemetery, > Victoria, Australia. > > iii. Lloyd Hirst married Gwendoline IVES. > > iv. Minerva Dorothy married James Norman STEWART. > > v. Barbara Violet married Hugh James Gordon STEWART. > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

Thanks Carollyn - yes I certainly intend to add this to our Inquest Book once we get to the 1880's! Thanks, Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carollyn Williams" <wisteria@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong families > Pam > What about the story of the Hoyle girls accident- it is sad yet interesting to note how the papers wrote it up in those times. I have a transrcipt of it > Carollyn Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pam & Trevor Jennings > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:17 PM > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong families > > > An invitation is extended to all listers, whether old or new, to contribute a write-up of your Geelong family connections for publishing in our Geelong Family History Group magazine. Our mag comes out 4 times per year and whether you are a member or not, I am happy to print your stories of your ancestors. It helps me fill the 36 pages each issue and of course, hopefully for you to find some new links!! Please contact me off list if you have any articles to submit. Kind regards, Pam Jennings (editor) > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

Hi Ian - no hurry whenever you have time or find other details I will be pleased to have them! I imagine the written notes may be transcribed from the offical Inquest papers at the PRO. We did not have the time to go and look at every individual inquest, and especially as the PRO was moving to North Melb etc.it was all too hard! If you get time to precise the information, I will be grateful.regards and thanks for your interest, Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Donaldson" <allsure@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > G'day Pam > > Next time I'm down at the records library I must look up your book. > > In regards to the Inquest, what I have, appears to be a modern handwritten > transcription of the proceedings which includes witness statements. I assume > that these were taken from some official publication, but I cannot be sure > of that. I would be happy to send you a copy if you would like them. It > might make interesting reading for someone. > > Unfortunately I am only just beginning to unravel this family history, so I > cannot add much more at this time. > > > Regards > > Ian Donaldson > > > > > > Hi Ian - thank you for your information - this inquest (with very little > > detail) was in our first Bullockies, Draymen & Horsemen of early Geelong > > book 1837 - 1859. I did not have an exact date so thanks for that > > additional inform.If you care to send any further details of the family, I > > will be pleased to print it in our GFHG magazine and you may pick up some > > more contacts. Thanks, again, Pam > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

I have the following spare deaths for December 1860 - Geelong District. I'd be happy to pass the details onto anyone who has an interest in the following folks. Ann HECTOR (nee Mylan) 26 Emily Constance DOUGLASS 6m Julia McDONALD (nee Whelan) 26 Edward GORELL 53 William MEANEY 50 regards Brenda

I have the following spare deaths for September 1865 - Geelong District. I'd be happy to pass the details onto anyone who has an interest in the following folks. Elizabeth FLOYD 13 Buried at the English Cemetery, Geelong Eliza WALTERS 49 Buried at the Wesleyan Cemetery, Geelong Emily Jane COTTREL 7 Buried at the English Cemetery, Geelong Rudolph LAW 3m Buried at the English Cemetery, Geelong John RICE 4m Buried at the English Cemetery, Geelong regards Brenda

Alwynne, sounds to me like he may have changed his name if he was on the run so to speak from his debtors. What was his mothers name? or his wifes he may have used that or just taken one he fancied. Do you know his parents I could try a Vital records search on them possibly.? where is the wife buried? he could be there also. I assume you have the 1865 childs birth cert. It usually gives the fathers occupation too and who was the informant. Of course 1859, he may have taken off for the goldfields to redeem himself too. good luck Linda

Does anyone have any information on Hannorah Ryan buried in Eastern cemetery - born about 1834. Trying to link her to County Tipperary Moyne - and find her maiden name?? Thanks Julie

Were there government pensions in the mid to late 1800s? He had his own business, so I'm not sure if he would qualify. Do you know of any sources/records I might try? with thanks, Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > maybe trying to see if he got an old age pension might help. maybe he lived > long enough? robyn shaw. > toowoomba. qld. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Hi, Pam. > > I don't suppose by any chance you came across a John Martin O'Shannassy > > (spelt any way, and with or without the O) in your inquest travels? > > I am having enormous trouble with this family, and have searched > everywhere > > for his death. I am now looking for long shots. > > Any help you can give would be much appreciated. > > With thanks, > > Alwynne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:20 PM > > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > I and another Geelong Family History Group member have almost finished > > writing up all inquests found in the Geelong Advertiser for the 1860's. If > > you have an ancestor whose death involved an inquest, we would be > delighted > > to hear from you to perhaps 'add meat to the bones' so to speak of some > > historical family background to the deceased etc. These inquests will be > > complied into our 3rd Inquest book, in 2004.regards, Pam Jennings > > (co-compiler) > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong Family History Group : > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > >

Many thanks for your reply, Pam. All I know is that he had a grocerery and other provisions store, first in Autumn Street, and then in Mercer Street. He got into financial difficulty and shot through just before bankruptcy proceedings were launched in sept 1859. His wife had another child in 1865 (in Geelong), so he may have returned later. The child was always known as his, and whether he was or not, for the story to have been credible he must have been known to have been around in 1865. After that there is no trace of him. There is the possibility that he was or became a seaman, but I don't know of any sources for that occupation. If you have any ideas, they would be most gratefully received! With thanks, Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > Hi Alwynne - we are only up to 1869 at this stage and of course not every > inquest was written up in the Geelong Advertiser. Perhaps a date range of > when we may perhaps expect to find him would be helpful. regards, Pam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Hi, Pam. > > I don't suppose by any chance you came across a John Martin O'Shannassy > > (spelt any way, and with or without the O) in your inquest travels? > > I am having enormous trouble with this family, and have searched > everywhere > > for his death. I am now looking for long shots. > > Any help you can give would be much appreciated. > > With thanks, > > Alwynne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:20 PM > > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > I and another Geelong Family History Group member have almost finished > > writing up all inquests found in the Geelong Advertiser for the 1860's. If > > you have an ancestor whose death involved an inquest, we would be > delighted > > to hear from you to perhaps 'add meat to the bones' so to speak of some > > historical family background to the deceased etc. These inquests will be > > complied into our 3rd Inquest book, in 2004.regards, Pam Jennings > > (co-compiler) > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong Family History Group : > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > >