G'day Folks, Just to let you know another five books have been added to the Geelong & District Consolidated Book Index - now more than 78,000 entries. http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp Keep up the good work everyone! Regards ........ Susie Z

G'day Iona, You can easily find the message in the Geelong and District Mailing List Archives To make it easier to find, I've added links to both the Searchable Archives and the Threaded Archives on the Geelong & District Mailing List web page at .......... http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm Regards ........ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iona Fettell" <ilfet@mackay.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Ellis & Erickson Families > I was interested in a recent mention of the connection of these families. Could that person please contact me, as unfortunately I have deleted that email. > Regards, > Iona Fettell in Mackay,Queensland.

Hi Folks, The book "The Weaver from Meltham" is a great source of Hirst information for anyone who wants to follow it up. In fact, just search for HIRST in our Geelong Consolidated Book Index for lots of references ....... http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp Regards .......... Susie Z

There are descendents of the Hirsts still around. I was at school in Geelong with two Hirst girls, but I hesitate to give their names without their permission. If anyone feels they have good reason to contact them, please let me know, and I shall see if it's OK. Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda" <greenthumbs@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > I also have a little bit of information on the HIRST family. My grandparents > used to live next door to Godfrey and Pearl Hirst in Upper Skene Street, > Newtown and often went on family BBQ's to the You Yangs (grandson of the > Godfrey Hirst who married Sarah Carter). I'm also very distantly related as > my great great uncle, Oswyn Leander Lloyd BATTEN married Godfrey's daughter, > Minerva HIRST. > > Happy New Year to all, > Amanda > > 1. Godfrey HIRST. Born in 1857 in Meltham, Yorkshire, England son of Charles > Hirst (born 1823 Hinchclife Mill, Yorkshire, a woollen yarn spinner) and > Minerva Holmes (born 1821 Penistone, Yorkshire). He may have come out > earlier than the rest of his family on the Orient in May 1884 - yet to > confirm. The Excelsior Woollen and Worsted Mills were controlled by Godfrey > Hirst & Co. Pty. Ltd. They were the union of two of the earliest mills in > Victoria, the old Victorian and the old Barwon Mills. Godfrey died in > Geelong on 15 Feb 1917, he was 60. Buried on 17 Feb 1917 in Geelong Eastern > Cemetery. > > On 22 Jul 1876 when Godfrey was 19, he married Sarah CARTER, daughter of > Joseph CARTER (a confectioner) and Hannah, in Huddersfield, York, England. > She was born in 1853 in Meltham, Yorkshire, England. Sarah died in Geelong, > Victoria, Australia in 1925, she was 72, and was buried on 2 Oct 1925 in > Geelong Eastern Cemetery. > > They had the following children: > > 2 i. William > > ii. Joseph. > > 3 iii. Lewis > > 4 iv. Harold > > 5 v. Minerva > > vi. Annie. Born in 1894 in Geelong,. Annie died in Richmond in 1943, she was > 49. She married a Mr. Betts. > > > 2. William HIRST. Born in 1877 in Meltham, York, England. Buried on 4 Sep > 1925 in Geelong Eastern Cemetery. William died in Geelong in 1925, he was > 48. > > In 1901 when William was 24, he married Catherine CAMERON, daughter of John > CAMERON & Elizabeth Munro GUNN. Catherine was born in 1871 in Mt Duneed,. > Catherine died in Geelong in 1965, she was 94 and was buried on 4 Jan 1965 > in Geelong Eastern Cemetery. > > They had the following children: > > i. Ivy. Born in 1902 in Geelong,. Ivy died in Balwyn, Melbourne in 1951, she > was 49. Buried on 31 Aug 1951 in Geelong Eastern Cemetery.ii. Florence > Minerva. Born in 1904 in Geelong. > > iii. Katie. Born in 1905 in Geelong. > > iv. Vera (1907-1977). Married Wal AIKMAN. > > v. Godfrey, born 1910 Geelong.. Married Rosie Eliza Pearl MADDERN (known as > Pearl) - daughter of James MADDERN and Rose MITCHELL. Lived at 3 Upper Skene > Street, Newtown. > > vii. John Cameron (1914-1966) married Thelma. > > 3. Lewis HIRST. Born in 1881 in Yorkshire, England. Lewis died in Newtown, > Geelong on 4 Apr 1951, he was 70. > > On 4 Apr 1905 when Lewis was 24, he married Catherine Florence WILLIAMS, > daughter of Robert WILLIAMS & Hannah PROUT, in Belmont, Geelong,. Catherine > was born in 1880 in Belmont, Geelong. Catherine Florence died in Geelong in > 1954, she was 74. > > They had the following children: > > i. Cedric Lewis (born 1907 Geelong) who married Dorothy CUST. > > ii. Max Lakeman (1910-1965) who married Irene HEDLEY. > > iii. Ivan Williams. Born on 24 Sep 1914 in Geelong. Ivan Williams died in > Geelong in 1984, he was 69. > > > > 4. Harold HIRST. Born in 1883 in Yorkshire, England. Buried on 21 Nov 1934 > in Geelong Eastern Cemetery. Harold died in Geelong in 1934, he was 51. > > In 1902 when Harold was 19, he married Emily May TOMKINS, daughter of John > TOMKINS & Harriet HARRISON, in Geelong. Emily was born on 13 May 1881 in > Geelong. Emily died in Geelong in 1961 and was buried on 12 Jan 1961 in > Geelong Eastern Cemetery, she was 69. > > They had the following children: > > i. Herbert Godfrey. Born on 31 Mar 1903 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. He > died in 1991 aged 87, and was buried on 19 Oct 1991 in Geelong Eastern > Cemetery. > > ii. Constance Harriet. Born in 1904 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. > > iii. German Carter. Born in 1911 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. German > died in 1978 aged 67, and was buried on 22 Oct 1978 in Geelong Eastern > Cemetery. > > 5. Minerva HIRST. Born in 1888 in Geelong. Minerva died in Canterbury, on 22 > Aug 1978, she was 90. Buried in Western Suburbs Crematorium, Victoria. > > On 23 Mar 1912 when Minerva was 24, she married Oswyn Leander Lloyd BATTEN, > son of Thomas BATTEN & Miriam Eliza LLOYD, in Belmont, Geelong. Oswyn was > born in 1883 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Oswyn Leander Lloyd died in > Geelong on 29 Oct 1964, he was 81 and was buried on 30 Oct 1964 in Western > Suburbs Crematorium, Victoria. Occupation: Law Clerk, Grocery Traveller, > Manager Of Golf Club. Education: Geelong College. > > They had the following children: > > i. Bessell Carter (1913-1989) married Alfred Dunbavin BUTCHER (1915-1990). > Alfred was a zoologist and chairman of the Melbourne Zoo from 1962 to 1987. > > ii. Annie Sarah "Nancy". Born in 1915 in Geelong. She died in Geelong in Jun > 1917, she was 2. Buried on 28 Jun 1917 in Geelong Eastern Cemetery, > Victoria, Australia. > > iii. Lloyd Hirst married Gwendoline IVES. > > iv. Minerva Dorothy married James Norman STEWART. > > v. Barbara Violet married Hugh James Gordon STEWART. > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > >

Pam and Amanda, I have some more details to add to the HIRST information provided by Amanda (who I am related to through several Geelong lines!). I am related through CATHERINE FLORENCE WILLIAMS who married LEWIS HIRST. Catherine was the sister of my grandfather ALFRED PERCY WILLIAMS (children of ROBERT & HANNAH WILLIAMS nee PROUT). 1881 Census: Hard End, Marsden in Almondbury, Yorkshire. Godfrey Hirst, head, age 24, worsted weaver, born Holmfirth, Yorkshire Sarah Hirst, wife, age 28, born Meltham, Yorkshire Willie Hirst, son, age 3, born Meltham, Yorkshire Lewis Hirst, son, age 5 months, born Marsden, Yorkshire Ann Carter, wife's sister, unmarried, age 35, retired confectioner, born Meltham. LEWIS HIRST was born on 7 November 1880, Marsden. JOSEPH HIRST was born and died in 1882, June quarter for both in St Cath's index, Huddersfield Registration District. LEWIS & CATHERINE are both buried at Springvale Crematorium. I would love to see the Hirst family information when you have finished. Cheers Gail White

Thanks Jennifer! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "JenniferBantow" <JenniferBantow@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > Today's GODREY HIRST AUSTRALIA PTY LTD Carpet Manufacturers in > Factory Street off Barwon Terrace Geelong still occupies, as well as > new ones, some of Geelong's earliest industrial buildings. > > The Victorian Woollen and Cloth Manufacturing Co Ltd was formed in > 1865. (Secretary William Sayers, Directors John Calvert, Thomas > Austin, George M Hitchcock, Richard Parker, James Volum, George > Armytage, James Noble, Ambrose Kyte MLA, John Lowe MLC, Robert > Stratford, P McDonald and J L Currie Chairman) Clement Nash completed > two buildings on the present site on the banks of the Barwon by 1867. > The first piece of cloth made at this first woollen mill in Victoria > was exhibited in January 1868. > > In 1874 the Barwon Woollen Mill was built beside the Victorian. > (Secretary Henry Meakin, Directors, Charles Andrews Chairman, G F > Belcher, Thomas Hawkes, M Kirkness, William Cakebread and Thomas > Stoneham). > > The Excelsior Woollen Mills under the control of Godrey Hirst and > Company Pty Ltd bought the Barwon Mill in 1892 and the Victorian Mill > in 1899. Some of the original beautiful brick buildings still survive > near Landy's Field. > > Source: BROWNHILL History of Geelong and Corio Bay > Jennifer > > >Pam, For what it's worth... another tit-bit about Godfrey Hirst. His > >carpet manufacturing business is still known as Godfrey Hirst NZ Ltd, > >although it is many years since it was purchased by a man who continued to > >manufacture here in New Zealand. It is one of the top ranking carpet > >manufacturers in New Zealand. (Ref. Auckland phone book, and my husband who > >was in the industry for many years.) I must admit that I don't know > >specifically where the factory is, but there is a large store/warehouse here > >in Auckland - perhaps this is also the factory. > >Regards, > >Marion > > > >> > > >> > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >> > Geelong & District Churches : > >> > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >> Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > >> http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > >> > >> > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >Geelong Family History Group : > >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > -- > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

Thanks Dennis - I will quote this ref. in our article. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kishere" <kishere@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > More on Hirst: > This Monash University thesis is the definitive work on the Hirst woollen > mill: > > Title: The Godfrey Hirst Mill [manuscript] : a triumph in textiles / > Elizabeth DeVries. > 1993. > Location: Monash University Matheson Library Music Multimedia: Microform > Call Number: MICROFICHE 2475/2873 > You would need to go the library to consult it however. > Quite often people publish their thesis as an article or book. Haven't > noticed this one published though. > regards > Dennis > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm >

Today's GODREY HIRST AUSTRALIA PTY LTD Carpet Manufacturers in Factory Street off Barwon Terrace Geelong still occupies, as well as new ones, some of Geelong's earliest industrial buildings. The Victorian Woollen and Cloth Manufacturing Co Ltd was formed in 1865. (Secretary William Sayers, Directors John Calvert, Thomas Austin, George M Hitchcock, Richard Parker, James Volum, George Armytage, James Noble, Ambrose Kyte MLA, John Lowe MLC, Robert Stratford, P McDonald and J L Currie Chairman) Clement Nash completed two buildings on the present site on the banks of the Barwon by 1867. The first piece of cloth made at this first woollen mill in Victoria was exhibited in January 1868. In 1874 the Barwon Woollen Mill was built beside the Victorian. (Secretary Henry Meakin, Directors, Charles Andrews Chairman, G F Belcher, Thomas Hawkes, M Kirkness, William Cakebread and Thomas Stoneham). The Excelsior Woollen Mills under the control of Godrey Hirst and Company Pty Ltd bought the Barwon Mill in 1892 and the Victorian Mill in 1899. Some of the original beautiful brick buildings still survive near Landy's Field. Source: BROWNHILL History of Geelong and Corio Bay Jennifer >Pam, For what it's worth... another tit-bit about Godfrey Hirst. His >carpet manufacturing business is still known as Godfrey Hirst NZ Ltd, >although it is many years since it was purchased by a man who continued to >manufacture here in New Zealand. It is one of the top ranking carpet >manufacturers in New Zealand. (Ref. Auckland phone book, and my husband who >was in the industry for many years.) I must admit that I don't know >specifically where the factory is, but there is a large store/warehouse here >in Auckland - perhaps this is also the factory. >Regards, >Marion > >> > >> > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >> > Geelong & District Churches : >> > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >> > >> >> >> ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >> Geelong & District Towns and Regions : >> http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm >> >> > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong Family History Group : >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm --

More on Hirst: This Monash University thesis is the definitive work on the Hirst woollen mill: Title: The Godfrey Hirst Mill [manuscript] : a triumph in textiles / Elizabeth DeVries. 1993. Location: Monash University Matheson Library Music Multimedia: Microform Call Number: MICROFICHE 2475/2873 You would need to go the library to consult it however. Quite often people publish their thesis as an article or book. Haven't noticed this one published though. regards Dennis

Thanks to everyone who has contributed bits and piece for Godfrey Hirst - seems Geelong's carpet as found fame in many places! regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Willett" <zadot@benalla.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > Hi Listers, > > Godfrey Hirst still manufaures carpet at a Benalla factory. > Cheers, > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion" <mazzie@xtra.co.nz> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2004 11:34 > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] HIRST family -re: Woollen Mills for July "Pivot" > > > > Pam, For what it's worth... another tit-bit about Godfrey Hirst. > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm >

I was interested in a recent mention of the connection of these families. Could that person please contact me, as unfortunately I have deleted that email. Regards, Iona Fettell in Mackay,Queensland.

Linda, wrong info happens even today. my mother died a few years ago. her maiden name was small. it is listed as smoll. did i change it. nah. let the others in years to come try to find her. gives them a challenge...i have had plenty. kids born before marriage, remarriages, deaths with names wrong way around....aaaggghhh. robyn shaw. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Coombs Family > Dont these families love to test our deductive powers. > > Just wonder if Emma may have been a sister not daughter, possibly went as > daughter htough to get immigration? Being 12 was almost an adult in those > days. > This would explain her Birth & marriage certs and who informed on the death > one, they can often be wrong as the person cannot say and the informant is > often grieving or not neccessarily in possion of full facts. > Good luck > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dean Anthony <rainford@ihug.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:10 PM > Subject: [GEELONG] Coombs Family > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > I've made some changes to my notes to include the two children born at > > sea. My information has come from various sources and mistakes have > > crept in and multiplied. Some of the birth dates may be baptisms dates > > and some of the death dates may be burial dates. The only way to be > > 100% is to purchase all the certificates from BDM and then to check > > them off against all other sources. Geelong Cemeteries trust lists Mary > > Ann as Sarah Ann Coombs. Perhaps she was known by two names. We seem to > > have two Marys or two Sarhas going at the same time. In due couse I > > will try to get to the GSV and have alook at the cd-rom of BDMs. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dean > > > > > > Name: Henry COOMBS1 > > > > Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble > > Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 > > Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 > > Religion: Methodist > > Father: Thomas COOMBES > > Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) > > Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset > > Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns > > > > Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 > > > > Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset > > Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of > > the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 > > Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 No > > other persons in grave. > > Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome > > Religion: C of E > > Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) > > Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) > > Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson > > > > Children > > > > 1 M: Thomas COOMBS > > Birth: 31 Jan 1847 Upton Noble, Somerset UK. > > Death: 15 Feb 1849 At Sea Age: 2 > > > > 2 F: Louisa COOMBS > > Birth: 23 Jan 1848 Upton Noble, Somerset, UK. > > Death: 26 Feb 1849 At Sea Age: 1 > > > > 3 M: Thomas COOMBS > > Birth: 5 Apr 1849 At Sea > > Death: Oct 1928 Barrabool Hills. Age: 79 > > Burial: 23 Oct 1928 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > > Occupation: Bootmaker, 336 LaTrobe Terrace. > > Spouse: Emma Ann Wilson > > Marriage: 1874 > > > > 4 F: Louisa COOMBS > > Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. > > Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 > > Spouse: Henry William Ellis > > Marriage: 1876 > > > > 5 F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS > > Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. > > Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 > > Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > > > > 6 M: George COOMBS > > Birth: 1854 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. > > Death: 17 Sep 1934 Ballarat, victoria, Australia Age: 80 > > Spouse: Elizabeth ROWE > > Marriage: 1 Jan 1878 Ballarat, victoria, Australia > > > > 7 F: Sarah COOMBS > > Birth: 1856 > > > > 8 F: Mary COOMBS > > Birth: 1857 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. > > Death: 28 May 1935 Belmont, Geelong, Victoria Age: 78 > > Spouse: Henry Stanley West > > Marriage: 1874 > > > > 9 M: John COOMBS > > Birth: 21 Mar 1858 Barrabool Hills. > > Death: 31 Dec 1934 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Age: 76 > > Spouse: Ellen Timewell > > Marriage: 30 Sep 1886 Footscray, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > > > 10 F: Elizabeth Lizzie COOMBS > > Birth: 1861 Ceres > > Death: 5 Jul 1947 Mc Kilop St. Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 86 > > Spouse: Arthur Grigg > > Marriage: 1889 Barrabool Hills. > > > > 11 M: Henry COOMBS > > Birth: 1862 Barrabool Hills. > > Death: 1942 Barrabool Hills. Age: 80 > > Burial: 9 Jul 1942 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist 2 * 254 > > Burial Memo: Retired of Belmont. > > Spouse: Mary Elizabeth ( Lillian ) Beck > > Marriage: 1886 > > > > > > Notes for Henry COOMBS > > Others may be better able to answer this than I, but according to > > my notes, Henry COOMBS was a bachelor of Upton Noble, of full > > age, when he married Ann HODDINOTT, spinster of the parish of > > Witham Friary, on 18 Feb 1846, by banns; Henry signed his > > name in the register but Ann made her mark. Henry's father was > > Thomas COOMBS (b. 1784), Stone Mason, and his mother Mary > > JUKES (b. 1779). Henry was baptised on 1 Sep 1822 at Upton > > Noble, in the South East of Somerset. This village had a > > population of about 300 when Henry was born, most of them > > agricultural labourers. > > > > Ann was the third of nine children of George HODDINOTT (1792 > > -1933) and Mary CLARK (b. 1795). [See the Hoddinott tree on > > David's other website.] Ann was baptised on 23 May 1818 [?] at > > Tytherington. > > > > Henry and Ann migrated to Australia in 1849 as Government > > Assisted Emigrants. They sailed on the 'Sir George Seymour,' a > > vessel of 850 tons, which left Plymouth, Devon, on January 9. > > During the voyage, the youngest of their children, Thomas (born > > 1847) and Louisa (born 1848), died and were buried at sea on > > February 15 and 26 respectively. Ann subsequently gave birth to > > a baby boy on April 5, who was christened Thomas. > > > > The Coombs family arrived at Point Henry, Victoria, on May 14 > > 1849. They remained in the Immigration Depot for eight days > > before leaving to find their own accommodation in Geelong, > > where they were still living when Mary and John were born in > > 1857 and 1858. In the 1899 Australian census, Henry is listed > > as a farmer of Ceres, near Geelong, Victoria. He died on 1 Feb > > 1903 and was buried 2 days later at Highton Cemetery, > > Barrabool Hills. According to the burial records he was a > > Methodist. Ann was buried at Highton Cemetery on 29 Dec > > 1884. > > > > Migration details from: Florence Chuk (1987) The Somerset > > Years: Government Assisted Emigrants from Somerset and > > Bristol who Arrived in Port Phillip Victoria, 1839-1854. Ballarat: > > Pannard Hill Publications, and from Australian colleagues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Notes for Ann HODDINOTT > > Ann and her husband Henry Coombs and two children, Thomas 1 and Emma > > 12, arrive in the Port of Geelong on May 14th 1849 as assisted > > immigrants onboard the Sir George Seymour. They had spent 126 days at > > sea leaving Plymouth on January 9 1849. Henry is listed as a labourer. > > A Thomas and Louisa Coombs are recorded as died at Sea. > > > > On the balance of evidence Emma was probably not the child of Henry > > Coombs. Henry was younger than wife Ann and would have only been 13 or > > 14 when Emma was born. On both of Emmas Marriage Certificates she gives > > her fathers name as George Hoddinott. Unfortunatly, Emmas Death > > Certificate compounds the problem by listing Henry Coombs as the > > father. On mother Anns Death Certificate Emma is not listed as a child > > of Ann. > > > > Anns headstone in Highton Cemetery reads At Rest & In Fond Memory of > > our Dead Parents. > > > > > > Sources > > 1. Banns. Banns read at Witham Friary 11,18 & 25 Jan. 1841. > > 2. Jeanette Hellmstrom, Australia. An HODDINOTT & Henry COOMBS > > emigrated "Sir George Seymore" 1849 to Victoria, Australia. > > > > > > Last Modified: 3 Jan 2004 > > Created: 3 Jan 2004 > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Churches : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

G'day Alwynne, Pre 1850 Victoria was still part of NSW & they still hold many records including some BDMs & Immigration. I did a quick search online for you at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/immigration/indexpphillip/search.asp and found the following:- Assisted immigrants arriving at Port Phillip, 1839-51 Query: Surname(%Shan%sy), FirstName(%) Surname Firstname Vessel Year Reel Record Item O'SHANNESSY John and Mary New Liverpool 1849 2144 4/4816, p.339 From the NSW BDM site http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm (Last 4 digits of reg# =year & V prefix (usually) = Vic). Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) V18571786 142A/1857 O`SHANESSY PATRICK J JOHN MARY V18605412 142B/1860 SHANNESSY MARY A JOHN MARY A And from the Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: OSHANNESSY Given Names: Mary Ann Event: D Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Liddel Jno Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Phoebe UNKNOWN Age: 69 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Glong Year: 1891 Reg. Number: 6251 Might be of some help? Cheers... Pat.. At 4/01/2004 Sunday12:19 AM, you wrote: >Dear Linda, >If only I knew the answers to those questions! >I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his name, but unfortunately I >don't know who his parents were. On the birth certificates for his children >he gives his birth place as Ballinrobe, County Mayo, Ireland. The Church of >Ireland parish register is in the church Library in Dublin, and I had a >researcher look for bdms of that name. None! Ironically, I had the same >experience looking for his wife's birth. Her name was Mary Ann Sidell, born >Lynn, Norfolk, but again, nothing in any of the parish registers for Lynn. >Sshe is buried in the Eastern Cemetery in the very large Scott grave - and I >can't find any connection with the Scott family. Her husband isn't in any of >the Geelong district cemeteries. >The two were married at St Paul's, Melbourne, in 1854 (according to the >childrens' birth certificates) - but again, no record of in Vic BDMs nor in >the St Paul's register - nor in any other St Pauls in the Geelong/Melb area! >To add to the dismal story, the child born in 1865 (Alfred Currie >O'Shannassy) is not in Vic BDM. His death certificate says he was born in >Geelong, but I haven't found him in any parish registers. His death >certificate gives his father as John Martin O'Shannassy - but whether that >is so is in question. >I have searched for connections between Currie and Sidell and O'Shannassy, >but have found none. >So, I am stumped! >The only other thing I know is that there was a story in the family that he >died "somewhere in the China Sea", and that he might have been a seaman - >possibly before his arrival in Australia, or even after he shot through when >his business failed. I have searched for the arrival in Aust for both he and >his wife, again, unsuccessfully. >I suppose everyone has someone like this pair in their families, but truly, >I am driven to desperation by them! >Cheers, >Alwynne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:08 AM >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Alwynne, > > sounds to me like he may have changed his name if he was on the run so to > > speak from his debtors. What was his mothers name? or his wifes he may >have > > used that or just taken one he fancied. > > Do you know his parents I could try a Vital records search on them > > possibly.? where is the wife buried? he could be there also. > > I assume you have the 1865 childs birth cert. It usually gives the fathers > > occupation too and who was the informant. Of course 1859, he may have >taken > > off for the goldfields to redeem himself too. > > good luck > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp pat@ozonline.com.au www.gencircles.com/users/pat-online (updated weekly) ICQ# 17057235 PO Box 65A Armadale, 3143 Victoria, Australia

HI, Thanks for information. Sarah seems to be a wildcard. Do you have any further information on Henry Ellis? Do you have a Sarah Erickson in your line? All I have is what is listed below. Look forward to hearing from you again. Dean Name: Henry William Ellis Marriage: 1876 Spouse: Louisa COOMBS Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 Father: Henry COOMBS (1822-1903) Mother: Ann HODDINOTT (1818-1884) Last Modified: 3 Jan 2004 Created: 4 Jan 2004 Name: Thomas Henry ELLIS Birth: 1883 Father: Thomas ELLIS Marriage: 4 Aug 1913 Somerset Spouse: Mary Taylor HODDINOTT, GG Granddaughter Birth: 1869 Father: John HODDINOTT (1842-1921) Mother: Martha TAYLOR Name: Samuel WEEKES1 Birth: 12 Apr 1829 Bexley, Kent, England Death: 17 Mar 1891 Lyman, Madison, ID Age: 61 Christen: 6 Nov 1829 Bexley Parish, Welling, Kent, England2 Burial: Mar 1891 Archer, Madison, ID Father: Sr. Robert WEEKES Sr. (1790-1853) Mother: Mary Ann BALDRY (1799-1888) Other spouses: Mary Eliza SAWYER Marriage: 30 Mar 1867 Spouse: Sarah ERICKSON1 Birth: abt 1831 Notes for Samuel WEEKES BABTISM: 1 SEP 1850 ENDOWMENT: 14 JAN 1865 SEALED/PARENTS: 15 JAN 193824 SEP 1884 25 SEP 1884 Merged General Note: Samuel was born in either Bexley, Welling or East Wickham, Kent ,England. On Samuel's brother Benjamin, you only have is birth date. He died on 13 Jun 1852 - accidentally drowned while crossing the Platt River (somewhere between the states of Nebraska and Wyoming, I think). Samuel Weekes' father Robert was age 60 when he came over. He was in poor health and died somewhere near Fort Laramie, Wyoming. Samuel's Sister, Elizabeth, married John Heath on 31 Jan 1847. The book says they had several children before moving to Australia. We don't have any information on this line of the family. I wonder if they moved to your part of Australia, since the family was close to the Sawyers????? After all, Samuel married Mary Eliza Sawyer and their son Robert Friend Weekes married Mary Eliza's niece, Louise (daughter of William Sawyer IV, and Anne Cohen). Anyway, it's a possibility. regarding your record on Samuel Weekes - below: Samuel Weekes died in Lyman, Madison County, Idaho on 17 Mar 1891 and was buried in Archer, Madison, Idaho. Samuel married Mary Eliza Sawyer in Kent, England (not Salt Lake City) - remember, Samuel and his wife, Mary Eliza came to America with brother in law, Charles Jones and brother, Benjamin. According to the Weekes/Munns Family Book, Charles Jones' wife, Mary Anne Weekes didn't come over to America until 1853 - "thus Mary Ann was the first Weekes to actually set foot in Salt Lake City" (since Samuel stayed in Nebraska to earn money to come west, and Benjamin drowned on the way). This is about all I know of the family. Hope this helps. Karren Brown Mary Eliza and her husband, Charles Jones and wife Mary Ann Weekes & Benjamin Weekes left England sailing on the "Ellen Maria," from Liverpool, 7 February 1852. After reaching New Orleans they continued by river steamer up to the Mississippi River to St. Louis, Missouri. Here they were met by Elder Abraham Smoot who acted as agent for The Perpetual Immigration Fund Saints, which numbered 182, and purchased supplies for the families to emigrate to Utah. However, Samual and Mary Eliza stayed in the east. Several years after the other family members arrived in Utah Samual wanted to come West to join his mother and brothers and sisters in Utah. Samual, Mary Eliza and family came from Nebraska to Smithfield, but later moved to Lyman, Bingham County, Idaho, making their home just a little way east of the store at Archer, adjoining the old Charles Briggs place. The fifth child of Samual and Mary Eliza was named in honour of his brother who was instrumental in getting the family to the West. This child was named Lorenzo Sidney. He eventually moved his family to Swan Valley. Karren Brown is his great-grandaughter. Sources 1. Imported GEDCOM file, GEDCOM file imported on 25 Jul 1999., Karen Brown, 1208 S. 5th Avenue,, Yakima, WA 98902. MarDean Cook Weeks is Karen Brown's Mother 2. Dean Anthony, Great Great Grandson of Phoebe Maria Sawyer, Great Grandson of Phoebe Marie Sawyer (daughter of Phoebe Marsh and, William Sawyer). Last Modified: 28 Aug 2002 Created: 4 Jan 2004 > > Dean, found the following births > Given Names: Elizabeth > Sex: Female > Father: Henry > Mother: Ann Hoddinett > Place of Birth: Ceres > Year: 1861 > Reg.No.: 2886 > > Given Names: Henry > Sex: Male > Father: Henry > Mother: Ann Hoddinott > Place of Birth: Barr. > Year: 1862 > Reg.No.: 14701 > > Given Names: John > Sex: Male > Father: Henry > Mother: Ann Hoddinett > Place of Birth: B'Bool Hills > Year: 1858 > Reg.No.: 7199 > > Given Names: Mary > Sex: Female > Father: Henry > Mother: Ann Hoddinett > Place of Birth: 1857 > Year: 1857 > Reg.No.: 2595 > > The following deaths were > > Surname: Coombs > Given Names: Ann > Father: Houdnott > Place of Death: G'long > Age: 68 > Year: 1884 > Reg.No.: 12455 > > Surname: Coombs > Given Names: Sarah Ann > Father: Henry > Mother: Ann Hodinott > Place of Birth: Barr. > Age: 11 > Year: 1863 > Reg.No.: 1401 > > Possible relevant marriages are: > > Surname: Coombs > Given Names: Henry > Sex: Male > Place of Birth: Barrabool Hills > Spouse Surname: Beek > Spouse Given Names: Mary Elizabeth > Year: 1886 > Reg.No.: 219 > > Surname: Coombs > Given Names: John > Sex: Male > Place of Birth: Ceres > Spouse Surname: Timewell > Spouse Given Names: Helen > Year: 1886 > Reg.No.: 3991 > > Surname: Coombs > Given Names: Mary > Sex: Female > Place of Birth: Geelong > Spouse Surname: West > Spouse Given Names: Henry Stanley > Year: 1887 > Reg.No.: 2295 > > Surname: Coombes > Given Names: Mary Ann > Sex: Female > Place of Birth: Geelong > Spouse Surname: Phillips > Spouse Given Names: Thos Jno > Year: 1884 > Reg.No.: 5845 > > Surname: Coombs > Given Names: Louisa > Sex: Female > Spouse Surname: Ellis > Spouse Given Names: Henry William > Year: 1876 > Reg.No.: 1548 > I am interested in this as my wife has Ellis from Connewarre (near > Geelong) > in her family. Her g-grandmother was Wilhelmina Ellis who married Carl > Erickson in Geelong on 22 October 1870. We have some further details > if > this fits your family. > > Surname: Coombes > Given Names: Elizabeth > Sex: Female > Place of Birth: Geelong > Spouse Surname: Froud > Spouse Given Names: John > Year: 1872 > Reg.No.: 2076 > > There are some other possible marriages but no Sarah births. Could it > be > that Sarah Ann was born in England? It doesn't appear that is likely > as I > lloked at > http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp , > put in Coombs and from the 20 names cames up with the following on the > ship > Sir George Seymour on the May 1849 arrival listed in Book 5A on Page > 10 --- > with infant I, Ann I, Louisa 1, and Thomas 2 and on Page 12 Ann 28, > Emma 12 > and Henry 26. If you have not seen this information before it would > probably be a good idea to look at the copies of the original records > on > microfische; we have them at our local library. Sorry to waffle on so > long, > > John Sebire > Lilydale, Victoria > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Anthony [mailto:rainford@ihug.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:17 PM > To: AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: > > > Hi, > > Could someone with access to the BDM cd-rom please check the details > for the three children listed below for Henry Coombs. We have two > Sarahs running at the one time. Is Sarah Ann listed as Mary Ann? Any > information on Sarah born 1856? > > Thanks > > Dean > > > Name: Henry COOMBS1 > > Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble > Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 > Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 > Religion: Methodist > Father: Thomas COOMBES > Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) > Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset > Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns > > Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 > > Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset > Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of > the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 > Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 No > other persons in grave. > Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome > Religion: C of E > Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) > Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) > Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson > > > 4 F: Louisa COOMBS > Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. > Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 > Spouse: Henry William Ellis > Marriage: 18765 > > F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS > Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. > Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 > Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > > > 7 F: Sarah COOMBS > Birth: 1856 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb and help it support genealogy > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >

Dear Linda, If only I knew the answers to those questions! I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his name, but unfortunately I don't know who his parents were. On the birth certificates for his children he gives his birth place as Ballinrobe, County Mayo, Ireland. The Church of Ireland parish register is in the church Library in Dublin, and I had a researcher look for bdms of that name. None! Ironically, I had the same experience looking for his wife's birth. Her name was Mary Ann Sidell, born Lynn, Norfolk, but again, nothing in any of the parish registers for Lynn. Sshe is buried in the Eastern Cemetery in the very large Scott grave - and I can't find any connection with the Scott family. Her husband isn't in any of the Geelong district cemeteries. The two were married at St Paul's, Melbourne, in 1854 (according to the childrens' birth certificates) - but again, no record of in Vic BDMs nor in the St Paul's register - nor in any other St Pauls in the Geelong/Melb area! To add to the dismal story, the child born in 1865 (Alfred Currie O'Shannassy) is not in Vic BDM. His death certificate says he was born in Geelong, but I haven't found him in any parish registers. His death certificate gives his father as John Martin O'Shannassy - but whether that is so is in question. I have searched for connections between Currie and Sidell and O'Shannassy, but have found none. So, I am stumped! The only other thing I know is that there was a story in the family that he died "somewhere in the China Sea", and that he might have been a seaman - possibly before his arrival in Australia, or even after he shot through when his business failed. I have searched for the arrival in Aust for both he and his wife, again, unsuccessfully. I suppose everyone has someone like this pair in their families, but truly, I am driven to desperation by them! Cheers, Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Edwards" <edwslsj@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > Alwynne, > sounds to me like he may have changed his name if he was on the run so to > speak from his debtors. What was his mothers name? or his wifes he may have > used that or just taken one he fancied. > Do you know his parents I could try a Vital records search on them > possibly.? where is the wife buried? he could be there also. > I assume you have the 1865 childs birth cert. It usually gives the fathers > occupation too and who was the informant. Of course 1859, he may have taken > off for the goldfields to redeem himself too. > good luck > Linda > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > >

Many thanks, Pam! Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > Thanks Alwyne - will keep my eyes open for him! Pam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Many thanks for your reply, Pam. > > All I know is that he had a grocerery and other provisions store, first in > > Autumn Street, and then in Mercer Street. He got into financial difficulty > > and shot through just before bankruptcy proceedings were launched in sept > > 1859. His wife had another child in 1865 (in Geelong), so he may have > > returned later. The child was always known as his, and whether he was or > > not, for the story to have been credible he must have been known to have > > been around in 1865. After that there is no trace of him. There is the > > possibility that he was or became a seaman, but I don't know of any > sources > > for that occupation. > > If you have any ideas, they would be most gratefully received! > > With thanks, > > Alwynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > Hi Alwynne - we are only up to 1869 at this stage and of course not > every > > > inquest was written up in the Geelong Advertiser. Perhaps a date range > of > > > when we may perhaps expect to find him would be helpful. regards, Pam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Pam. > > > > I don't suppose by any chance you came across a John Martin > O'Shannassy > > > > (spelt any way, and with or without the O) in your inquest travels? > > > > I am having enormous trouble with this family, and have searched > > > everywhere > > > > for his death. I am now looking for long shots. > > > > Any help you can give would be much appreciated. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Alwynne > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:20 PM > > > > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > > > > I and another Geelong Family History Group member have almost > finished > > > > writing up all inquests found in the Geelong Advertiser for the > 1860's. > > If > > > > you have an ancestor whose death involved an inquest, we would be > > > delighted > > > > to hear from you to perhaps 'add meat to the bones' so to speak of > some > > > > historical family background to the deceased etc. These inquests will > be > > > > complied into our 3rd Inquest book, in 2004.regards, Pam Jennings > > > > (co-compiler) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong Family History Group : > > > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong Family History Group : > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > > >

Many thanks, Robyn. I shall follow up those suggestions. I had begun to think all was lost! Cheers, Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > well maybe he donated to the local church, was a mason, was in the show > society, or as owner of a property or place, he would certainly have lands > department records and taxation ones. > > for a start i would try the local lands department or whatever it is called > in new south wales, your local one could tell you, and write to them asking > for details of his business, where it was etc. > > he would have to pay land taxes or rates, maybe the local council??? you > have to start somewhere. try the lands first. robyn shaw. toowoomba. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > Were there government pensions in the mid to late 1800s? He had his own > > business, so I'm not sure if he would qualify. > > Do you know of any sources/records I might try? > > with thanks, > > Alwynne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robyn Shaw" <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > maybe trying to see if he got an old age pension might help. maybe he > > lived > > > long enough? robyn shaw. > > > toowoomba. qld. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "alwynne mackie" <alwynnem@melbpc.org.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Pam. > > > > I don't suppose by any chance you came across a John Martin > O'Shannassy > > > > (spelt any way, and with or without the O) in your inquest travels? > > > > I am having enormous trouble with this family, and have searched > > > everywhere > > > > for his death. I am now looking for long shots. > > > > Any help you can give would be much appreciated. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Alwynne > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> > > > > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:20 PM > > > > Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Inquests 1860's > > > > > > > > > > > > > I and another Geelong Family History Group member have almost > finished > > > > writing up all inquests found in the Geelong Advertiser for the > 1860's. > > If > > > > you have an ancestor whose death involved an inquest, we would be > > > delighted > > > > to hear from you to perhaps 'add meat to the bones' so to speak of > some > > > > historical family background to the deceased etc. These inquests will > be > > > > complied into our 3rd Inquest book, in 2004.regards, Pam Jennings > > > > (co-compiler) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > > > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > > Geelong Family History Group : > > > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong Family History Group : > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > > >

Hi Elaine, The Index to the Werribee Cemetery is on-line - there is a link from our Geelong & District Cemeteries page at ....... http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm Regards ........ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Jefferson" <jeffersoneb@patash.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [GEELONG] WERRIBEE CEMETERY > Hi could any help me with burials for Werrribee as I have FITZPATRICK / MAHER buried there > > > Many thanks for anything > > Elaine JEFFERSON > jeffersoneb@patash.com.au

Dont these families love to test our deductive powers. Just wonder if Emma may have been a sister not daughter, possibly went as daughter htough to get immigration? Being 12 was almost an adult in those days. This would explain her Birth & marriage certs and who informed on the death one, they can often be wrong as the person cannot say and the informant is often grieving or not neccessarily in possion of full facts. Good luck Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Anthony <rainford@ihug.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Coombs Family > Hi Peter, > > I've made some changes to my notes to include the two children born at > sea. My information has come from various sources and mistakes have > crept in and multiplied. Some of the birth dates may be baptisms dates > and some of the death dates may be burial dates. The only way to be > 100% is to purchase all the certificates from BDM and then to check > them off against all other sources. Geelong Cemeteries trust lists Mary > Ann as Sarah Ann Coombs. Perhaps she was known by two names. We seem to > have two Marys or two Sarhas going at the same time. In due couse I > will try to get to the GSV and have alook at the cd-rom of BDMs. > > Thanks > > Dean > > > Name: Henry COOMBS1 > > Birth: 1 Sep 1822 Upton Noble > Death: 1 Feb 1903 Ceres, Nr. Geelong, Australia Age: 80 > Burial: 3 Feb 1903 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET 2***251 > Religion: Methodist > Father: Thomas COOMBES > Mother: Elizabeth JUKES (1779-1833) > Marriage: 18 Feb 1846 St.Mary, Witham Friary, Somerset > Marriage Memo: 3rd. Banns > > Spouse: Ann HODDINOTT2 > > Birth: 1818 Frome, Someerset > Death: 29 Dec 1884 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia from Disease of > the Spine. Duration of 10 years. Age: 66 > Burial: 31 Dec 1884 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist Block 2. 253 No > other persons in grave. > Christen: 23 May 1818 St John the Baptist, Frome > Religion: C of E > Father: George HODDINOTT (1793-1833) > Mother: Mary CLARK (ch. 1795-) > Other spouses: George HODDINOTT, G Grandson > > Children > > 1 M: Thomas COOMBS > Birth: 31 Jan 1847 Upton Noble, Somerset UK. > Death: 15 Feb 1849 At Sea Age: 2 > > 2 F: Louisa COOMBS > Birth: 23 Jan 1848 Upton Noble, Somerset, UK. > Death: 26 Feb 1849 At Sea Age: 1 > > 3 M: Thomas COOMBS > Birth: 5 Apr 1849 At Sea > Death: Oct 1928 Barrabool Hills. Age: 79 > Burial: 23 Oct 1928 Highton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > Occupation: Bootmaker, 336 LaTrobe Terrace. > Spouse: Emma Ann Wilson > Marriage: 1874 > > 4 F: Louisa COOMBS > Birth: 1850 Ceres, Victoria, Australia. > Death: 3 Mar 1922 Newtown, Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 72 > Spouse: Henry William Ellis > Marriage: 1876 > > 5 F: Sarah Ann ( Mary ) COOMBS > Birth: 21 Mar 1852 Barrabool. Hills, Vict, Australia. > Death: 1863 Barrabool Hills. Age: 10 > Burial: 28 Mar 1863 HIghton Cemetery Geelong. MET X**X > > 6 M: George COOMBS > Birth: 1854 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. > Death: 17 Sep 1934 Ballarat, victoria, Australia Age: 80 > Spouse: Elizabeth ROWE > Marriage: 1 Jan 1878 Ballarat, victoria, Australia > > 7 F: Sarah COOMBS > Birth: 1856 > > 8 F: Mary COOMBS > Birth: 1857 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. > Death: 28 May 1935 Belmont, Geelong, Victoria Age: 78 > Spouse: Henry Stanley West > Marriage: 1874 > > 9 M: John COOMBS > Birth: 21 Mar 1858 Barrabool Hills. > Death: 31 Dec 1934 Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Age: 76 > Spouse: Ellen Timewell > Marriage: 30 Sep 1886 Footscray, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > 10 F: Elizabeth Lizzie COOMBS > Birth: 1861 Ceres > Death: 5 Jul 1947 Mc Kilop St. Geelong, Victoria, Australia Age: 86 > Spouse: Arthur Grigg > Marriage: 1889 Barrabool Hills. > > 11 M: Henry COOMBS > Birth: 1862 Barrabool Hills. > Death: 1942 Barrabool Hills. Age: 80 > Burial: 9 Jul 1942 Highton Cemetery Geelong. Methodist 2 * 254 > Burial Memo: Retired of Belmont. > Spouse: Mary Elizabeth ( Lillian ) Beck > Marriage: 1886 > > > Notes for Henry COOMBS > Others may be better able to answer this than I, but according to > my notes, Henry COOMBS was a bachelor of Upton Noble, of full > age, when he married Ann HODDINOTT, spinster of the parish of > Witham Friary, on 18 Feb 1846, by banns; Henry signed his > name in the register but Ann made her mark. Henry's father was > Thomas COOMBS (b. 1784), Stone Mason, and his mother Mary > JUKES (b. 1779). Henry was baptised on 1 Sep 1822 at Upton > Noble, in the South East of Somerset. This village had a > population of about 300 when Henry was born, most of them > agricultural labourers. > > Ann was the third of nine children of George HODDINOTT (1792 > -1933) and Mary CLARK (b. 1795). [See the Hoddinott tree on > David's other website.] Ann was baptised on 23 May 1818 [?] at > Tytherington. > > Henry and Ann migrated to Australia in 1849 as Government > Assisted Emigrants. They sailed on the 'Sir George Seymour,' a > vessel of 850 tons, which left Plymouth, Devon, on January 9. > During the voyage, the youngest of their children, Thomas (born > 1847) and Louisa (born 1848), died and were buried at sea on > February 15 and 26 respectively. Ann subsequently gave birth to > a baby boy on April 5, who was christened Thomas. > > The Coombs family arrived at Point Henry, Victoria, on May 14 > 1849. They remained in the Immigration Depot for eight days > before leaving to find their own accommodation in Geelong, > where they were still living when Mary and John were born in > 1857 and 1858. In the 1899 Australian census, Henry is listed > as a farmer of Ceres, near Geelong, Victoria. He died on 1 Feb > 1903 and was buried 2 days later at Highton Cemetery, > Barrabool Hills. According to the burial records he was a > Methodist. Ann was buried at Highton Cemetery on 29 Dec > 1884. > > Migration details from: Florence Chuk (1987) The Somerset > Years: Government Assisted Emigrants from Somerset and > Bristol who Arrived in Port Phillip Victoria, 1839-1854. Ballarat: > Pannard Hill Publications, and from Australian colleagues. > > > > > > Notes for Ann HODDINOTT > Ann and her husband Henry Coombs and two children, Thomas 1 and Emma > 12, arrive in the Port of Geelong on May 14th 1849 as assisted > immigrants onboard the Sir George Seymour. They had spent 126 days at > sea leaving Plymouth on January 9 1849. Henry is listed as a labourer. > A Thomas and Louisa Coombs are recorded as died at Sea. > > On the balance of evidence Emma was probably not the child of Henry > Coombs. Henry was younger than wife Ann and would have only been 13 or > 14 when Emma was born. On both of Emmas Marriage Certificates she gives > her fathers name as George Hoddinott. Unfortunatly, Emmas Death > Certificate compounds the problem by listing Henry Coombs as the > father. On mother Anns Death Certificate Emma is not listed as a child > of Ann. > > Anns headstone in Highton Cemetery reads At Rest & In Fond Memory of > our Dead Parents. > > > Sources > 1. Banns. Banns read at Witham Friary 11,18 & 25 Jan. 1841. > 2. Jeanette Hellmstrom, Australia. An HODDINOTT & Henry COOMBS > emigrated "Sir George Seymore" 1849 to Victoria, Australia. > > > Last Modified: 3 Jan 2004 > Created: 3 Jan 2004 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm >

Hi could any help me with burials for Werrribee as I have FITZPATRICK / MAHER buried there Many thanks for anything Elaine JEFFERSON jeffersoneb@patash.com.au