Hi Folks, Well there were all sorts of suggestions but nothing positive about Quadrille office from the committee members although one is going to look through some other sources tomorrow to see if they find anything ......... BUT ......... driving home from Geelong I had some more thoughts and I've found some more pieces to the puzzle. Remember also that "office" in the 1850s wasn't necessarily our idea of an office. In fact I remember getting rather excited finding my family in the Griffith's Valuations of Ireland as having two offices and was quite impressed until I found out that an "office" was an out-house / chook shed / small outbuilding. Anyway, back to the other pieces ......... from Brownhill's "History of Geelong & Corio Bay" ..... p. 378-9 ..... The dais was embowered in shrubs and flowers, and from behind these came the strains of music from Messrs. Wilton and Goodall's band of melody-makers. (refers to inaugural dinner given by G.F. Belcher as Mayor in November 1873). p. 433 ..... The ball at night transformed the dining hall into an even more sparkling scene. Two thousand people were there, and dancing went on into the next day to the music of Wilton's Band - a popular local company of musicians - and the 40th regiment Band. (this was referring to the celebrations 25th June, 1857, for the opening of the Geelong - Melbourne railway line.) And the piece-de-resistance (with a French accent of course) ......... 1866-67 : Geelong & Western District Directory ......... Malop st. east - among others ......... WILTON, T., musician So looks like the music / dance QUADRILLE is definitely tied to this "Quadrille office" !!!!!!!!!! Now I can sleep peacefully! <vbg> Regards ............. Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda" <greenthumbs@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Quadrille Office/Malop St listings in 1858 > Hi Jenny, > > Looked up Malop street in the 1858 directory and found that the Quadrille > office is listed between Yarra street and Bellerine street. It would take > too long for my two fingers to type out the entire listing for Malop street, > but here are the entries for Malop street, between Yarra street and > Bellarine street going west to east on the left hand side:

Sorry - I only listed State Schools. I should have made my posting a bit clearer. Doug >>Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Schools >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:12:01 +1100 > >Wouldn't private schools such as Morongo, The Hermitage, Geelong College, >Geelong Grammar School, Sacred Heart Convent, and St Joseph's College also >be registered with Ed Dept - or have I missed the point? >Alwynne _________________________________________________________________ We've 100s of NEW questions! Play Millionaire online to win $$$$. Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/millionaire/default.asp

Wouldn't private schools such as Morongo, The Hermitage, Geelong College, Geelong Grammar School, Sacred Heart Convent, and St Joseph's College also be registered with Ed Dept - or have I missed the point? Alwynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "village people ." <villagejunction@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Schools > Hi List, > I am listing the schools in Geelong that have been registered with > the Education Department of Victoria. This list you will not find in Vision > and Realisation, they are listed as either operating or not as of 1968. > > I will mark the schools still operating at this time with a (*). > > I hope this helps answer some questions, but as I'm not familiar with > Geelong I will list them all (19) along with their school number. > > Doug. > > *113 Geelong. N.V. > 173 Geelong, Christ Church C.E. > 260 Geelong. N.V. > 260 Geelong, Girls School N.V. > 274 Geelong, Yarra Street. P. > 276 Geelong, Geringhap Street. P. > 278 Geelong, Ryrie Street. W. > 284 Geelong. R.C. > *541 Geelong E. N.N.V. > *1094 Geelong, Swanston Street. > *1492 Geelong W. > *1889 Geelong.N. (formerly 1889 Geelong W.) > *2143 Geelong. S. > *3656 Geelong Orphanage. > *4398 Geelong, Tate Street. > *4398 Geelong. E. > *4748 Geelong Hospital Spastic School. > 4768 Geelong Special. > *4817 Geelong Gaol. > > > NSEW=Directions > N.V. = Non Vested > N.N.V. = national Non Vested > P = Presbyterian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > >

Hi Jenny, Looked up Malop street in the 1858 directory and found that the Quadrille office is listed between Yarra street and Bellerine street. It would take too long for my two fingers to type out the entire listing for Malop street, but here are the entries for Malop street, between Yarra street and Bellarine street going west to east on the left hand side: Yarra street Jones, E. J., outfitter, 42 Moses, Henry, outfitter Amusements Smith, George, butcher Murray, - , turner Carter, Thomas, timber merchant Thomson, John, general shop Hart, J. T., store Wilton, T., quadrille office Edwards, T., quadrille office Parker, -, quadrille office ( listed under names as: Parker, H., quadrille office, Malop street east) Opie, William, hay and corn store Freemasons hotel, Nayland, Michael Alder, J., soda water manufacturer Bell Bros., grocers, 69 Sheas, -, dress maker Penrose, Henry, fruiterer Duffy, David, oyster rooms Pinnegar, John, butcher Builder's Arms, Ryan, Laurence Bellarine street Also found in another old book, "The Victorian Centenary Book" (pages 134 and 135) a biography on Councillor William B Wilton, J.P. Could he be related to T. Wilton? It mentions as a young settler he trained in the leather and tanning industry, arriving in Victoria 1851, went into a partnership with Mr. Thomas at Colac, and after a short time, established his own business in the township of Geelong. If you would like a copy of this article, email me your postal address (off list) to me and I will photocopy it for you. (Also has a photo of Mr. W.B. Wilton and Mrs W.B. Wilton). Perhaps the leather and tanning reference ties in with the horse references other people have suggested???? I looked up Tanners, Curriers and Leather-sellers in the 1858 Directory - there are two listings. One for the "Australian Leather Warehouse, Malop street, Geelong" (no further information) and "Brearley. Brothers, Tanners and Curriers, &c. Grindery supllied wholesale and Retail." Can find no reference to either Australian Leather Warehouse in Malop street nor any surname listings for Brearley, mind you, this directory seems to cover only "inner" Geelong. Hope this helps and doesn't confuse!!! Amanda > If anyone ever comes across a directory for the late 1850s or early 1860s > that lists Malop St East I'd love to know if the Quadrille Office evolved into > something more recognisable!

Hi List, I am listing the schools in Geelong that have been registered with the Education Department of Victoria. This list you will not find in Vision and Realisation, they are listed as either operating or not as of 1968. I will mark the schools still operating at this time with a (*). I hope this helps answer some questions, but as I'm not familiar with Geelong I will list them all (19) along with their school number. Doug. *113 Geelong. N.V. 173 Geelong, Christ Church C.E. 260 Geelong. N.V. 260 Geelong, Girls School N.V. 274 Geelong, Yarra Street. P. 276 Geelong, Geringhap Street. P. 278 Geelong, Ryrie Street. W. 284 Geelong. R.C. *541 Geelong E. N.N.V. *1094 Geelong, Swanston Street. *1492 Geelong W. *1889 Geelong.N. (formerly 1889 Geelong W.) *2143 Geelong. S. *3656 Geelong Orphanage. *4398 Geelong, Tate Street. *4398 Geelong. E. *4748 Geelong Hospital Spastic School. 4768 Geelong Special. *4817 Geelong Gaol. NSEW=Directions N.V. = Non Vested N.N.V. = national Non Vested P = Presbyterian _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Thank you to everyone who joined in this fascinating search. Especially Susie and Amanda (after all you started this Amanda ;)). I asked the question because this is such a knowledgeable list and I wasn't disappointed. Everyone's input has been appreciated and haven't we all learnt a lot along the way. For those who originally suggested the dance, please feel free to mutter "I told you so"! Just goes to show that Geelong had a thriving social life if the town could support at least 3 men and their families in such a seemingly frivolous occupation. Obviously all the money from the goldfields helped. Keep up the good work everyone! -- Jenny Coates (Boyer) Harkaway, Victoria

I've spent the last 24 hours trying to dredge a memory up from the depths and/or to find a reference in old INVESTIGATORs. No luck either way, until I started to type this, and was about to refer to Bill Morrow's Geelong Chronology, and then the penny dropped. Bill used to circulate fuller notes than those published, and Stewart McAdam used to type some out & send them on to me. One of these is runs: "1892 23/6 First Social of Cinderella Quadrella Club. Mr E. Stainsby secty." Somewhere buried in my mental silt is the feeling that I once looked this up and found that it was Quadrille and had something to do with dancing, and indeed I imagine anyone in my husband's family would have been more interested in that than in horses. (I don't think there was ever a Mr E Stainsby, but that could be Stewart's typewriter; there was a Mrs E, however). Wrong date, and not an office, but heigh! who cares! Good luck to all the brains working on this! I'd go for the mapping paper myself. Marion Stainsby

Hi Graham thank you for steering me in the right direction your time and help is very much appreciated Cheers Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com

Hi Susie thank you your reply and response / you are so helpful as always your wealth of knowledge is fantastic you seem to have a bottomless pit of info for everybody/ I am always grateful for your help. Cheers Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com

Hi Grahame, Have you checked the BULLIVANT references in the Geelong & District Book Index? Are they related at all? There's also a couple of possible HUGHES references in the Index as well. http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp Regards ........ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: [GEELONG] James and Julia Hughes, Hall, Anderson, Sutton, Setching > Hi List > > Just confirmed I have a link to Geelong. My ancestor Charles James > Bullivant of Sydney had a sister Julia Ellen Bullivant born Sydney 1824. > Julia died in Geelong on 6 Oct 1870. Her death certificate states she lived > in Malop Street (maybe next to the Quadrille Office - who knows???) and was > married to a James Hughes. She was buried in the C of E Geelong Cemetery. > DC states no children so no descendants; maybe. > > Could someone check the Cem records to see if there is a headstone please. > Is anyone interested in the Hughes name?

Hi Folks, Tonight is the Committee Meeting of the Geelong Historical Society - a few VERY knowledgeable heads there and I'll throw the Malop Street East Quadrille Office at them. Unfortunately because the "address" is only Malop Street East and therefore not practicable to find it in later directories - even working on the theory that it appeared between xxx place and yyy place in this directory, Geelong was growing so quickly there could be 20 places between xxx and yyy within a year! The 1854 map shows plenty of buildings at that east end of Malop Street but unfortunately it generally only names the pubs and churches. Also, something is ringing in the back of my mind about the Volunteer Artillery - the old buildings are in Myers Street but I can vaguely remember something about them being moved from another site??? I'll let you know after tonights meeting .......... Susie Z

Hi Deidre, Just expanding on Grahame's helpful reply and another local suggestion ..... To find out the schools operating in the area at the time, and then work out if they're still operating, you should consult ...... "Vision & Realisation" - 3 volumes published by the Education Department in 1973. You should find copies in most good reference libraries and certainly in your nearest school. Copies were issued to all schools. School Registers should be available at the school - if it still exists, otherwise from the above reference books you should be able to work out what school the children then moved to if the school close - in theory the registers were then taken over by the school that took over responsibility for closed school. Alternatively they went to the school where the local / regional head was, or to the Education Department, and some ended up at the PRO (you can check their on-line catalogue for the school). Some others ended up in all sorts of places - sometimes originals, sometimes photocopies. For example the Bellarine Historical Society had a special project to obtain copies of all school registers they could lay their hands on and also to index them. We actually ended up recoving some original registers from the bonfire when the school was closed! Another very useful place to search would be in the Geelong Heritage Centre which has copies of many school registers. I've now removed the Geelong Record Series list from my web site as it is hoped that the Centre will keep their own on-line list up-to-date. You can download the Geelong Record Series and search for school registers on that - it's a .pdf (Acrobat) file and can be found and there's a link from my web site for the Geelong Heritage Centre at ........ http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ghrc.html Also the Geelong Heritage Centre and the Geelong Family History Group have lots of School Histories that have been published in the region - you may find the relevant school there, but you need to be able to work out what school your ancestor might have attended based on where they lived etc. Hope that helps ............ Susie Z > > Hi Listers > > I'm trying to find my Grandfather's & Grandmothers schools does anyone out > > there have a list of schools and names from 1885 to 1905 are there also > > student names for these schools / they lived in john place & later in little > > mallop street if there is any school info available would sks pleeeese > > contact me/ I would be very grateful for any reply to my query > > Cheers > > Deirdre

Hello Liz, also recall a term ( From my Geelong days-50 yrs ago) "Gymkhana" as an equestrian event - probably European as distinct from the "Wild West" type of Rodeo.. Liz Denten wrote: >Hi Jenny, >Everyone seems to have put in their two cents worth on this one, so I >t<Edited> > > George >Denton, was a big rodeo star. So far I haven't been able to find any >evidence of this and there are two George's in the family so I'm not sure >which one it refers to. One George came to Australia and settled in Geelong >in the 1850's and the other is his grandson, who was born in Geelong in >1896. > ><more editing> >----- Original Message ----- >From: <JnnyB@aol.com> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:31 PM >Subject: [GEELONG] Quadrille Office - Mapping office? > > > > >>Hello listers, >> >>In an earlier message I asked if anyone had heard of a Quadrille Office in >> >> >Geelong in 1858. The list was particularly quiet on this one so I googled >and came up with the idea that it may have been a government mapping office. >This idea was based on the fact that there is still available quadrille >graph paper which can be used in mapping (and because I have absolutely no >other ideas!). > > >>Is there some kind soul who could look up directories for the period and >> >> >see if there was a mapping office listed, or any other government office in >Malop St East? > > >>With thanks, >>-- >>Jenny Coates (Boyer) >>Harkaway, Victoria >> >> >>==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >>Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : >>http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp >>http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >> >> >> > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong Family History Group : >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/index.htm > >. > > > -- John Whitehand Melbourne 61 3 93145306 "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." Antoine de St. Exupery http://www.westegg.com/exupery/

I think perhaps that the "Gymkhana" had it's origins in India - so am off to check Google. Steph.

John, All is forgiven! Now on with the Gymkhana! Steph.

Hello Steph, Sorry you felt I was rubbishing your reference to " Perfume" certainly wasn't intended as such.. just my "Scents" of humour when confronted with so many(and widely varyimg) possible usages of the " Quadrille" Please forgive if you felt I was rubbishing... bfn John steph-ken wrote: >Hi Mary, > >I enjoyed your posting. Between you and me I sent a short comment >recently, Quadrille perfume by Balenciaga - beautifu; stuff, got >rubbished, things like horse .....! >Anyway. > >steph. > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > >. > > > -- John Whitehand Melbourne 61 3 93145306 "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." Antoine de St. Exupery http://www.westegg.com/exupery/

Hi Jenny, Everyone seems to have put in their two cents worth on this one, so I thought I'd do the same. However my two cents may have some validity. My father in law has told me that apparently one of our ancestors, George Denton, was a big rodeo star. So far I haven't been able to find any evidence of this and there are two George's in the family so I'm not sure which one it refers to. One George came to Australia and settled in Geelong in the 1850's and the other is his grandson, who was born in Geelong in 1896. Father in law is very vague on the details, but I was wondering if this quadrille thingy has something to do with horses, maybe this is what my George Denton was involved in, not rodeo. I know this isn't much help, but sometimes little leads turn into big ones. Good Luck Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: <JnnyB@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Quadrille Office - Mapping office? > Hello listers, > > In an earlier message I asked if anyone had heard of a Quadrille Office in Geelong in 1858. The list was particularly quiet on this one so I googled and came up with the idea that it may have been a government mapping office. This idea was based on the fact that there is still available quadrille graph paper which can be used in mapping (and because I have absolutely no other ideas!). > > Is there some kind soul who could look up directories for the period and see if there was a mapping office listed, or any other government office in Malop St East? > > With thanks, > -- > Jenny Coates (Boyer) > Harkaway, Victoria > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Adding to the discussion about the word quadrille I offer the following information found on the web including where it has been used in literature! Quadrille (which means 'equestrian macramé' in Latin) is when a mounted team (mounted on horses) perform intricate and beautiful interfacing patterns, like a military drill team. QUADRILLE RULED PADS Lines of equal weight ruled across both directions of the sheet. SOCIOLOGY OF DANCE The quadrille is an early case of cultural globalisation. A French dance which might have been Scottish and certainly had a bit of English in it, but which came to have a special resonance for 19th century African and Creole slaves in the Caribbean. Fashionable late 18th- and 19th-century dance for four couples in square formation. quadrille (noun) 1 a square dance of five or more figures for four or more couples 2 a piece of music for such a dance, alternating between simple duple and compound duple time [ETYMOLOGY: 18th Century: via French from Spanish cuadrilla, diminutive of cuadro square, from Latin quadra] quadrille (noun) an old card game for four players [ETYMOLOGY: 18th Century: from French, from Spanish cuartillo, from cuarto fourth, from Latin quartus, influenced by quadrille1 quadrillé(e) [kad?ije]adjectif [papier] squared As the first quadrille had already been given to Vronsky, she had to promise this youth the second. Anna Karenina by Tolstoy, Leo (Alice began to say `I once tasted--' but checked herself hastily, and said `No, never') `--so you can have no idea what a delightful thing a Lobster Quadrille is - Alice's Adventures In Wonderland by Carroll, Lewis At the same moment--to the astonishment of her friends and admirers--Miss Clara Burnham threw the quadrille into confusion by making a mistake The Frozen Deep by Collins, Wilkie Lobster Quadrille Only slightly inspired by Lewis Carroll's poem, a quadrille is also architectural drafting paper. A South Staffordshire Enamel Quadrille Counter Tray, Circa 1770, oval shape and made to hold the gambling pieces for the game of Quadrille. Some restoration Enjoy! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <JnnyB@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Quadrille Office - Mapping office? > Hello listers, > > In an earlier message I asked if anyone had heard of a Quadrille Office in Geelong in 1858. The list was particularly quiet on this one so I googled and came up with the idea that it may have been a government mapping office. This idea was based on the fact that there is still available quadrille graph paper which can be used in mapping (and because I have absolutely no other ideas!). > > Is there some kind soul who could look up directories for the period and see if there was a mapping office listed, or any other government office in Malop St East? > > With thanks, > -- > Jenny Coates (Boyer) > Harkaway, Victoria > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Hi Mary, I enjoyed your posting. Between you and me I sent a short comment recently, Quadrille perfume by Balenciaga - beautifu; stuff, got rubbished, things like horse .....! Anyway. steph.

The Mundy Book has a write-up in the Geelong News - it concerns the family of Henry MUNDY b. Buckinghamshire 1831 who came with his family to Vic in 1844 and married 1855 Anne GILLINGHAM. regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Daniel" <morella@ozconnect.net> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] MUNDAY Family > Hi, > Sent an email off to the Heritage Centre re Munday book but > unfortunately have had no reply. As I am writing a book on my Munday > family am hoping they are not related to me as I have put in a lot of > time and money. > > Cheers > Ann > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/03 > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm >