I am interested in this also Regards Doug -----Original Message----- From: Deirdre McDougall [mailto:deirdremc@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 1 March 2004 5:44 PM To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEELONG] Old Cheltenham Cemetery Hi Listers I have just heard there is a CD on Old Cheltenham Cemetery does any one know if its available on line/ lots of my relies are there cheers Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm

There used to be the dual system of"Official" and "non official" Post Offices. The Official ones werestaffed by Government employees whilt the others were contractors who owned their own building. If your rel went to work in the PO I would say itwas likely to be bendigo or Echuca or one of the bigger towns. My family has worked in both systems. AND some of my family lived on the Durham Ox Rd Pyramid Hill in the 1870s, next to the Williamsons. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "allan" <aoki@southcom.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Postal employees > > > > Has anyone had success in accessing employee registers at a Post Office? > > > > My father left school at Pyramid Hill in 1915. He joined the Post Office (PMG?) some time afterwards - it was his first job - but I do not know at which Post Office he started work. Until very recently, I assumed it would have been the Pyramid HiIl office, but now I have my doubts. One other option is Creswick. > > > > Allan G. Jamieson > > AOK Innovations Pty. Ltd. > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

Has anyone had success in accessing employee registers at a Post Office? My father left school at Pyramid Hill in 1915. He joined the Post Office (PMG?) some time afterwards - it was his first job - but I do not know at which Post Office he started work. Until very recently, I assumed it would have been the Pyramid HiIl office, but now I have my doubts. One other option is Creswick. Allan G. Jamieson AOK Innovations Pty. Ltd.

Thanks Doug, I've just visited the site - it's great. With quite a few of my folks I only had the year of their death - this new database has now given me their burial/cremation date and for some of them the date of their death and location of their grave. I can see this is going to be a very handy resource. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of the list. cheers Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "village people ." <villagejunction@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Necropolis Springvale & St Kilda Cemeteries - Now Online > What we've all been waiting on for so long. Check it out. > > Search using Deceased Enquiries on left pane. > > http://www.necropolis.com.au/mainindex.htm > > Doug > > _________________________________________________________________ > SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here > http://ninemsn.seek.com.au/ > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Hello friends, I have been reading the replies to this with interest as I have came across this on a number of occasions ...... even within my own family. It depends a lot of what family, friends and other resources a widow had. My own great grandmother, widowed in 1879 ...... with a young family (my three year old grandmother being the youngest) ...... managed to farm the land that they had selected with the help of her young daughters ...... and she acted as midwife to the local families as a way of earning money. But she was lucky as they were paying off their land and they had a house to live in. Others ...... if they had a small amount of capital ...... could start some sort of small business. While those who had a house could take in boarders. Many widows became dressmakers. But it was much more common for widows without financial resources to support themselves and their families by going out to do other peoples housework ...... or by taking in washing and ironing. One of my friends has found that her widowed gg grandmother arrived in Melbourne with her two young daughters from Ireland in the 1860s, rented a house, and took in boarders. Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne, Australia.

What we've all been waiting on for so long. Check it out. Search using Deceased Enquiries on left pane. http://www.necropolis.com.au/mainindex.htm Doug _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here http://ninemsn.seek.com.au/

Thanks for that Brenda- It is this Co-operation and mutual support that perhaps typifies the Australian " mateship" which has clearly been necessary for all our survival in a young society. bfn John Brenda wrote: >Hi Julie & Listers, > >When two men drowned in Corio Bay during a storm in 1871 the local Geelong >community were very supportive of their families. > >Within days of the men going missing an advertisement was placed in the >Geelong Advertiser which read: " A meeting of gentlemen willing to assist >in getting up an entertainment or presenting a subscription in aid of the >berieved widow and children of Henry Shugg and the aged mother of Mr. >Thorogood, who were drowned during the recent gale in Corio Bay, will take >place at the Manchester Unity Hall this evening at half-past seven o'clock". > >The meeting was also written up in the editorial section of the newpaper, " >A meeting has been convened for this evening to take steps to raise >subscriptions for the relatives of the unfortunate men Shugg and Thorogood. >The meeting will be held in the Manchester Unity Hall and although the >convener has declined to make himself known, it is to be hoped the meeting >will be well attended and that subscriptions will flow in liberally." > >Julie, you might want to check issues of the Geelong Advertiser around the >time that James died, you never know, you might find something similar >occurred for his family. > >cheers, >Brenda > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <JulieMWhyte@aol.com> > > > > >>Hello >> >>Just wondering if anyone could help explain how a widow would have >> >> >supported > > >>her family after her husbands death in Geelong late 1800's.? >> >>My g g g grandfather James EAGEN died 1874. His widow Margaret EGAN nee >>LISTON (sometimes given as Lyster /Linton) didn't pass away until about >> >> >1921. > > >>When James died Margaret had a young family - how would she have supported >>them? >>The family lived in the ASHBY area. >> >>Could anyone shed light on how this family would have survived please. >> >>Thank you >>Julie >> >> > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > >. > > > -- John Whitehand Melbourne 61 3 93145306 "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." Antoine de St. Exupery http://www.westegg.com/exupery/

Hi Julie & Listers, When two men drowned in Corio Bay during a storm in 1871 the local Geelong community were very supportive of their families. Within days of the men going missing an advertisement was placed in the Geelong Advertiser which read: " A meeting of gentlemen willing to assist in getting up an entertainment or presenting a subscription in aid of the berieved widow and children of Henry Shugg and the aged mother of Mr. Thorogood, who were drowned during the recent gale in Corio Bay, will take place at the Manchester Unity Hall this evening at half-past seven o'clock". The meeting was also written up in the editorial section of the newpaper, " A meeting has been convened for this evening to take steps to raise subscriptions for the relatives of the unfortunate men Shugg and Thorogood. The meeting will be held in the Manchester Unity Hall and although the convener has declined to make himself known, it is to be hoped the meeting will be well attended and that subscriptions will flow in liberally." Julie, you might want to check issues of the Geelong Advertiser around the time that James died, you never know, you might find something similar occurred for his family. cheers, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: <JulieMWhyte@aol.com> > Hello > > Just wondering if anyone could help explain how a widow would have supported > her family after her husbands death in Geelong late 1800's.? > > My g g g grandfather James EAGEN died 1874. His widow Margaret EGAN nee > LISTON (sometimes given as Lyster /Linton) didn't pass away until about 1921. > > When James died Margaret had a young family - how would she have supported > them? > The family lived in the ASHBY area. > > Could anyone shed light on how this family would have survived please. > > Thank you > Julie

Thanks Doug Lots and lots of my partners family here (some I didn't know about) Sue (Western Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "village people ." <villagejunction@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Necropolis Springvale & St Kilda Cemeteries - Now Online > What we've all been waiting on for so long. Check it out. > > Search using Deceased Enquiries on left pane. > > http://www.necropolis.com.au/mainindex.htm > > Doug > > _________________________________________________________________ > SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here > http://ninemsn.seek.com.au/ > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Hello Listers, Oh Dear, a senior's moment! >Unfortunately the better indexed Attorney General's files seem to date >from 1857/8 only but I've not studied them carefully. If I'd looked at my notes carefully, I would have seen that I had found a great deal of correspondence of the Attorney General, 1851 to 1858 for which no index or register had survived! e.g.VPRS 266/ P0 Attorney General for example: Unit 1115 Ararat & Cathcart 1856-1858 & Avoca 1854-1858 Unit 1116 Ballarat Unit 1121 Geelong Leigh Lexton (I did not record dates) Unit 1 mostly Sale 1852-58 And many more boxes sorted into communities. Again, I was only looking for Williamstown connections, so the contents will be serendipity for anyone who ventures. Regards Ada regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Hi Liz, The website you mention, would you mind giving it to me, my ggrandfather Robert Hill Kinnear I believe was on Connawarre about that time, is there any mention of him on your shipping list? He left Scotland and came into Victoria between 27 October 1851 (when their infant son was christened in Scot.) and 15 September 1852 when their 4 yr old daughter died on " Ballenee" (north of Ballan). I have searched high and low and cannot find them on any shipping list. Thanks in anticipation Cheers Eve Anderson Another from W.A. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Darcey" <billandliz@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Lake Connewarre > I have recently described to this mailing list so I can pick the brains of the locals. As a Western Australian I find the Alexander Library and WAGS lacking in Victorian "Local History" detail. > > So I am wondering if anyone can help answer the following question: > > I have a copy of a shipping list that says Hardie's were at Lake Connewarre. A website states that Tait had it. So I am assuming the shipping list meant Barwon Downs. The question is "Was Hardie the 'owner' of Barwon Station in 1854?' > > Thanks in anticipation > Liz Darcey > > ps Hello's to Pam Jennings and Jeff Hester > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm >

Many widows / single mums / poor families where dad was ill and out of work, applied to the Poice Court for assistance from the Poor Box. The Poor Box was not an endless supply of money either as often the Magistrate would call for donations, some fines would be directed there etc etc. The Geelong Ladies Benevolent Society has funded struggling families.regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: <JulieMWhyte@aol.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Widows?? Supporting families late 1800's > Hello > > Just wondering if anyone could help explain how a widow would have supported > her family after her husbands death in Geelong late 1800's.? > > My g g g grandfather James EAGEN died 1874. His widow Margaret EGAN nee > LISTON (sometimes given as Lyster /Linton) didn't pass away until about 1921. > > When James died Margaret had a young family - how would she have supported > them? > The family lived in the ASHBY area. > > Could anyone shed light on how this family would have survived please. > > Thank you > Julie > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm >

Hi Liz - the shipping list certainly didn't mean Barwon Downs as this is about 7 miles from Birregurra which is an hour from Geelong. Many stations along the Barwon River & tributaries used the name so perhaps comeone can confirm the Connewarre 'Barwon' you are seeking. Regards & hi back!, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Darcey" <billandliz@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Lake Connewarre > I have recently described to this mailing list so I can pick the brains of the locals. As a Western Australian I find the Alexander Library and WAGS lacking in Victorian "Local History" detail. > > So I am wondering if anyone can help answer the following question: > > I have a copy of a shipping list that says Hardie's were at Lake Connewarre. A website states that Tait had it. So I am assuming the shipping list meant Barwon Downs. The question is "Was Hardie the 'owner' of Barwon Station in 1854?' > > Thanks in anticipation > Liz Darcey > > ps Hello's to Pam Jennings and Jeff Hester > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm >

I have recently described to this mailing list so I can pick the brains of the locals. As a Western Australian I find the Alexander Library and WAGS lacking in Victorian "Local History" detail. So I am wondering if anyone can help answer the following question: I have a copy of a shipping list that says Hardie's were at Lake Connewarre. A website states that Tait had it. So I am assuming the shipping list meant Barwon Downs. The question is "Was Hardie the 'owner' of Barwon Station in 1854?' Thanks in anticipation Liz Darcey ps Hello's to Pam Jennings and Jeff Hester

Hello Listers, VPRS 1676 /P0 commences December 1851 to 1874 It is some time since I looked at it, but my notes (in 1985) show: Volume 1 : Licences for Pilots Licences to engage merchant seamen Licences for victuallers & hotels for dances Licences for halls Licences for theatrical performances and, from 5th October 1865: Licences allotting a neglected child to applicants listing sponsor, job held, address and name of the chils allotted from the industrial school system, but does not give the origin of the child, merely the name. until 31 October 1878, in volume 2, when the entry for children read: "licence no longer needed" I have seen correspondence in the Chief Secretary's correspondence files VPRS 1189, applications for licences from 1851, but I was only searching for Williamstown particulars. Unfortunately the better indexed Attorney General's files seem to date from 1857/8 only but I've not studied them carefully. Regards Ada At 21:08 28-02-04 +1100, Tony Scott wrote: >Hi Jenny > >There are some files at the PRO under VPRS 1676/P0 'Registers of Licenses >& Warrants Issued'. >Amongst other things, it includes licenses for theatrical performances and >to use a public house for >concerts. It consists of 5 units, but I don't know anything about it. > >Cheers > >Tony Scott > >- >---- Original Message ----- >From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:39 PM >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Quadrille Office/Malop St listings in 1858 > > > > Hello Jenny, > > > > Now that we seem to have decided that the Quadrille Office seems to have > > been a dance parlour, and one of the gents was a musician, perhaps someone > > with a Geelong historical background can say who would have granted the > > licence for them to operate. > > > > From earliest times (Port Phillip) it was necessary to apply for a licence > > to run dances and musical entertainments. > > > > That could clinch it, if the records have survived! > > > > Regards Ada > > > > > > At 19:40 26-02-04 -0500, JnnyB@aol.com wrote: > > >Thank you to everyone who joined in this fascinating search. > > >Especially Susie and Amanda (after all you started this Amanda ;)). > > >I asked the question because this is such a knowledgeable list and I > > >wasn't disappointed. Everyone's input has been appreciated and haven't we > > >all learnt a lot along the way. For those who originally suggested the > > >dance, please feel free to mutter "I told you so"! > > >Just goes to show that Geelong had a thriving social life if the town > > >could support at least 3 men and their families in such a seemingly > > >frivolous occupation. Obviously all the money from the goldfields helped. > > >Keep up the good work everyone! > > > > > >-- > > >Jenny Coates (Boyer) > > >Harkaway, Victoria > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > >Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > > > regards, > > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Thank you Dianne, I would like to take up your offer. Can you please look up Haberfield? I know Haberfield's did live in the Birregurra district for a while. Regards Viv Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne Towers <dtow7754@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Birregurra records for those interested > Dear listers, > If there is anyone with ancestors from the Birregurra district that may > have had baptisms, marriages and/or funerals at an Anglican church, I am > happy to do look ups of the records that I have transcribed. The information > from my database is available at the Birregurra Historical Society also... > with love and blessings > Dianne Towers > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm > >

Hello Just wondering if anyone could help explain how a widow would have supported her family after her husbands death in Geelong late 1800's.? My g g g grandfather James EAGEN died 1874. His widow Margaret EGAN nee LISTON (sometimes given as Lyster /Linton) didn't pass away until about 1921. When James died Margaret had a young family - how would she have supported them? The family lived in the ASHBY area. Could anyone shed light on how this family would have survived please. Thank you Julie

Hi Jenny There are some files at the PRO under VPRS 1676/P0 'Registers of Licenses & Warrants Issued'. Amongst other things, it includes licenses for theatrical performances and to use a public house for concerts. It consists of 5 units, but I don't know anything about it. Cheers Tony Scott - ---- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Quadrille Office/Malop St listings in 1858 > Hello Jenny, > > Now that we seem to have decided that the Quadrille Office seems to have > been a dance parlour, and one of the gents was a musician, perhaps someone > with a Geelong historical background can say who would have granted the > licence for them to operate. > > From earliest times (Port Phillip) it was necessary to apply for a licence > to run dances and musical entertainments. > > That could clinch it, if the records have survived! > > Regards Ada > > > At 19:40 26-02-04 -0500, JnnyB@aol.com wrote: > >Thank you to everyone who joined in this fascinating search. > >Especially Susie and Amanda (after all you started this Amanda ;)). > >I asked the question because this is such a knowledgeable list and I > >wasn't disappointed. Everyone's input has been appreciated and haven't we > >all learnt a lot along the way. For those who originally suggested the > >dance, please feel free to mutter "I told you so"! > >Just goes to show that Geelong had a thriving social life if the town > >could support at least 3 men and their families in such a seemingly > >frivolous occupation. Obviously all the money from the goldfields helped. > >Keep up the good work everyone! > > > >-- > >Jenny Coates (Boyer) > >Harkaway, Victoria > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm > > regards, > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > >

Taken from the Geelong Advertiser for various dates; regards, Pam Jennings BLUNDEN, Henry Farmer Bellarine 25.6.1861 CALDWELL, Jane Widow Geelong 7.12.1875 COLLINS, Patrick Robert Shoolmaster Geelong 25.6.1861 CRAGG, Josiah Contractor Geelong 25.3.1861 CULL, William Comedian Geelong 22.4.1861 DALE, William Contractor Geelong 25.3.1861 DENTON, Catherine For late husband Alfred Shelford 25.3.1861 DENTON, James Duck Ponds 25.6.1861 JACKSON, James Farmer Lovely Banks 25.6.1861 JONES, John Labourer Geelong 25.6.1861 KINSELLA, Garrett Connewarre 20.4.1875 MARRIATT Storekeeper Chilwell 25.6.1861 McDONALD, Archibald Gordon Contractor Geelong 25.3.1861 MOTTRAM, George Commission agent Geelong 25.6.1861 MURPHY, James Innkeeper Bell Post Hill 25.3.1861 MURRAY, David Storekeeper Ashby 25.6.1861 PASSMORE, John Carpenter Geelong 20.4.1875 QUARRELL, Reuben Writer's clerk Geelong 25.6.1861 STONEHAM, William Turner Geelong 25.3.1861 THOMAS, John Labourer Geelong 20.4.1875 TRACEY, Daniel Wheelwright Rokewood 25.3.1861 WEBB, William Storekeeper East Geelong 25.3.1861 WILLIS, James Fisherman Geelong 25.6.1861

I have a Patrick aka Peter CROZIER wife Margaret MCGHEE gave birth to a Charles CROZIER 20/12/1866 however there is no marriage or death for him not a trace of him. He had a brother my G Grandfather Thomas Oceanica CROZIER born 22/04/1865 at sea aboard the Oceanica. No-one has heard of the brother. Does anyone have any suggestions? Cheers Jan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/04