Hi Folks, For anyone using the archives to see why you may not be getting messages from the Mailing List, this is to let you know that there are two big problems at the moment ... 1. If you are an AOL user AOL are rejecting all mail from the rootsweb server lists5 - that is where both the Bellarine Peninsula and the Geelong & District Mailing Lists reside. AOL claim that these messages are s p a m !!!! If you are an AOL user and care about your Mailing List emails, then please contact AOL and demand that they provide them to you! 2. If you are a BIGPONG .... woops ... BIGPOND user Bigpond are having a fit of the heeby-jeebies - have been for the last two days - bouncing emails to bigpond users left right and centre. Don't know if they got struck by the latest virus or what but ALL bigpond users on both the above mailing lists are bouncing as either you don't exist or your mailbox is full. If you have the energy you might want to complain about it to your ISP - bigpond! In the meantime, if you've found this message in the archives for the lists, you can keep seeing the messages in the same place until your ISPs - AOL and Bigpond sort out their dilemmas. Regards ...... Susie Z

To Ada and all the indexers - where would we be without you guys!!!! Thanks for what you have done and are doing! Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > Hello Judyand listers > > This is not a criticism of Judy, but a background to help others, and > perhaps reveal to Judy how these things can happen. > > Lists were copied by several scribes for several departments for various > reasons. Each scribe added their own handwriting idiosyncrasies, their own > interpretation of the previous scribe's handwriting peculiarites and added > their own carelessness, being human! > > On the odd occasion when two copies (by different scribes) of a shipping > list have survived in the Victorian records, both passenger lists had to be > filmed and transcribed for the index, because of the obvious differences > in each list, and we had no way of knowing which (if either) was the > careful (!) original. > > So if one was sent to NSW, as it had to be in the days when NSW was the > responsible government for Port Phillip, it is not without surprise that > Anne could become Jane, or the reverse. This, of course may be applied > equally to surnames. > > The wonder is that, with all these vagaries (including our present day > volunteers trying to transcribe these latter day horrors ) so many people > find their rellies with ease! > > Having worked on the lists for ten years, knowing all the vagaries, I admit > to being just a tad amused that searchers take the listings as "gospel" or > blame the modern transcribers for the errors and vagaries of the past, > quickly accusing us of altering the spelling of their dear ancestor's > name, or worse, being incompetent. > > But please, don't send me your complaints for Inward Foreign 1852-1924, > Inward British 1852 -1924 or Inward from NZ 1852-1924 on which I worked > with other volunteers over the ten years I gave to help researchers coming > after me. We did our best, so listers can find their rellies in minutes on > the internet. They don't appear there by magic! > > Regards Ada > > > > > > At 07:12 03-03-04 +1000, you wrote: > >In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or > >Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 > >(marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the > >PROV website. > >Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > > >I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on > >board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas > >19 from Roscommon) > > > >My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index > >derived from another source??? > > > >I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give > >results that differ on other searches. > > > >Any help appreciated! > >Judy > >Qld > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > regards, > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

Ah Ada, I KNOW you have a magic wand....I won't tell anyone though....by the way was it YOU who put my grandma on the 1901 census as part of the family she worked with, and not under her own name...someone must be to blame....aaaggghhh. no wonder i could not find her....aaagghh again... only kidding...i have enough trouble with spears, speirs, spiers....you have a vast amount of knowledge, and background really for us plebs. no excuse for us not also knowing a lot, but we each have our own interests, and using yours sometimes, is wonderful. i have just got my parish record for mary ann tremayne/evans. others on the page, for st james, melbourne, county of bourke, include... Banfield, Datmoor or Desmorr, Lonsdale, Kenyon, Stoppes, Ha...asn could be Harrison hard to read, Joseph. Daw, Clifton, Turner, Malloy, Carter, Ford....i think. anyone with names like these, who might have had kids chr. st james, melbourne, in 1849, get back to me. robyn shaw. toowoomba. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > To Ada and all the indexers - where would we be without you guys!!!! Thanks > for what you have done and are doing! Pam Jennings > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > > > > Hello Judyand listers > > > > This is not a criticism of Judy, but a background to help others, and > > perhaps reveal to Judy how these things can happen. > > > > Lists were copied by several scribes for several departments for various > > reasons. Each scribe added their own handwriting idiosyncrasies, their own > > interpretation of the previous scribe's handwriting peculiarites and added > > their own carelessness, being human! > > > > On the odd occasion when two copies (by different scribes) of a shipping > > list have survived in the Victorian records, both passenger lists had to > be > > filmed and transcribed for the index, because of the obvious differences > > in each list, and we had no way of knowing which (if either) was the > > careful (!) original. > > > > So if one was sent to NSW, as it had to be in the days when NSW was the > > responsible government for Port Phillip, it is not without surprise that > > Anne could become Jane, or the reverse. This, of course may be applied > > equally to surnames. > > > > The wonder is that, with all these vagaries (including our present day > > volunteers trying to transcribe these latter day horrors ) so many people > > find their rellies with ease! > > > > Having worked on the lists for ten years, knowing all the vagaries, I > admit > > to being just a tad amused that searchers take the listings as "gospel" or > > blame the modern transcribers for the errors and vagaries of the past, > > quickly accusing us of altering the spelling of their dear ancestor's > > name, or worse, being incompetent. > > > > But please, don't send me your complaints for Inward Foreign 1852-1924, > > Inward British 1852 -1924 or Inward from NZ 1852-1924 on which I worked > > with other volunteers over the ten years I gave to help researchers coming > > after me. We did our best, so listers can find their rellies in minutes on > > the internet. They don't appear there by magic! > > > > Regards Ada > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:12 03-03-04 +1000, you wrote: > > >In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or > > >Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 > > >(marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the > > >PROV website. > > >Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > > > > >I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was > on > > >board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a > Thomas > > >19 from Roscommon) > > > > > >My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index > > >derived from another source??? > > > > > >I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give > > >results that differ on other searches. > > > > > >Any help appreciated! > > >Judy > > >Qld > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > > > regards, > > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > > Geelong and District web site : > > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Cemeteries : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm >

Thanks Ada, that is useful It is also relevant to the "my rels were Maciver and Macivor......" at least we havesome records. The next generation will probably get none as the world computer will crash at a time when noone has back ups Elizabeth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > Hello Judyand listers > > This is not a criticism of Judy, but a background to help others, and > perhaps reveal to Judy how these things can happen. > > Lists were copied by several scribes for several departments for various > reasons. Each scribe added their own handwriting idiosyncrasies, their own > interpretation of the previous scribe's handwriting peculiarites and added > their own carelessness, being human! > > On the odd occasion when two copies (by different scribes) of a shipping > list have survived in the Victorian records, both passenger lists had to be > filmed and transcribed for the index, because of the obvious differences > in each list, and we had no way of knowing which (if either) was the > careful (!) original. > > So if one was sent to NSW, as it had to be in the days when NSW was the > responsible government for Port Phillip, it is not without surprise that > Anne could become Jane, or the reverse. This, of course may be applied > equally to surnames. > > The wonder is that, with all these vagaries (including our present day > volunteers trying to transcribe these latter day horrors ) so many people > find their rellies with ease! > > Having worked on the lists for ten years, knowing all the vagaries, I admit > to being just a tad amused that searchers take the listings as "gospel" or > blame the modern transcribers for the errors and vagaries of the past, > quickly accusing us of altering the spelling of their dear ancestor's > name, or worse, being incompetent. > > But please, don't send me your complaints for Inward Foreign 1852-1924, > Inward British 1852 -1924 or Inward from NZ 1852-1924 on which I worked > with other volunteers over the ten years I gave to help researchers coming > after me. We did our best, so listers can find their rellies in minutes on > the internet. They don't appear there by magic! > > Regards Ada > > > > > > At 07:12 03-03-04 +1000, you wrote: > >In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or > >Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 > >(marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the > >PROV website. > >Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > > >I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on > >board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas > >19 from Roscommon) > > > >My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index > >derived from another source??? > > > >I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give > >results that differ on other searches. > > > >Any help appreciated! > >Judy > >Qld > > > > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > regards, > Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia > formerly Ackerly DocuSearch > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong and District web site : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/ >

Hello Everyone, Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone for their help and suggestions. The Frances Lomen/Lomanon the "China" 1840 is not my Frances Liomin. The other family members mentioned on the "China" in 1840 don't match any of Frances Liomin's family, neither do the ages. This is how I worked out an approximate latest starting date for looking at passenger and shipping records: Francis Liomin died in 1892 at 82 years of age (death certificate). Counting backward from the time of death, 35 years in Victoria is approximately 1857. She married Henry Hitchens in 1856. I then added on 2 years in case she was an assisted passenger, who may have had to work a set period for an employer, this comes to about 1854. I started searching at 1854 and proceeded to 1856. I have looked for Liomin, Loman, Lemon, Leamon, Leaman, L'Omni, Frances, Francis and Bailey ( her mother's maiden name). I'm currently going back through my search using www.blaxland/ozships using arrivals into Victoria, Melbourne, Geelong and Hobart I then go to www.records.nsw.gov.au and put the ship's name and year in then search both the assisted and unassisted passenger lists. I take note of any L and B surnames and any Frances/Francis and the age. I haven't started on entries into Adelaide or Sydney yet. And I haven't started looking pre 1854. Many thanks again. Peter _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here http://ninemsn.seek.com.au/

Hi Peter and list, Vic BDM has My gr gr grandmother listed as Louisa Flegg, although she was a Clegg, they have transcribed her mothers previous married name, which of course was Flegg. How I actually found her birth certificate was purely an accident. Human error huge! Also have found, no-one in one of my lines could write, being of scottish ancestry the first ones here, never got the "registrars" to understand them. hence frequent misspellings of the same surname. And our gr gr grandfather could have been born from 1859-1872 according to all his, wife's and his children's certificates. A little wiser now! Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susie Zada" <szada@zades.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] LIOMIN-Geelong/Melbourne Directories > Hello Peter, > > Are you saying that Frances LOMEN / LOMAN is definitely not your Frances > LIOMIN? You said that the death certificate said 35 years in Victoria which > is exactly the opposite to my argument of why 53 years was precise. 35 > years is VERY imprecise and more likely a guesstimate and as she was married > twice then chances are the informant was from her second family and possibly > had no idea when she arrived in Victoria! Also, with such an unusual > spelling of a surname it is extremely rare for transcribers to get it spot > on. For example, my grandfather died in 1931. His surname on his death > certificate is extremely easy to read ....... for me - because it was my > maiden name - no doubt that it says FUSSEN however it was transcribed as > TURNER. I can easily see how someone got TURNER out of it because someone > wanted to RECOGNISE the name!!!!! .... and TURNER fitted - but it wasn't > even close. > > So all the same warnings apply - as well as checking details! <vbg> > > Regards ...... Susie Z > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter O'Sullivan" <sullivan2076@hotmail.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:55 AM > Subject: [GEELONG] LIOMIN-Geelong/Melbourne Directories > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > My apologies. the death certificate of Frances LIOMIN stated 35 years, not > > 53 years. > > > > I'd like to blame the email gremlins but it was my bad typing late at > > night. > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm >

Hello Judyand listers This is not a criticism of Judy, but a background to help others, and perhaps reveal to Judy how these things can happen. Lists were copied by several scribes for several departments for various reasons. Each scribe added their own handwriting idiosyncrasies, their own interpretation of the previous scribe's handwriting peculiarites and added their own carelessness, being human! On the odd occasion when two copies (by different scribes) of a shipping list have survived in the Victorian records, both passenger lists had to be filmed and transcribed for the index, because of the obvious differences in each list, and we had no way of knowing which (if either) was the careful (!) original. So if one was sent to NSW, as it had to be in the days when NSW was the responsible government for Port Phillip, it is not without surprise that Anne could become Jane, or the reverse. This, of course may be applied equally to surnames. The wonder is that, with all these vagaries (including our present day volunteers trying to transcribe these latter day horrors ) so many people find their rellies with ease! Having worked on the lists for ten years, knowing all the vagaries, I admit to being just a tad amused that searchers take the listings as "gospel" or blame the modern transcribers for the errors and vagaries of the past, quickly accusing us of altering the spelling of their dear ancestor's name, or worse, being incompetent. But please, don't send me your complaints for Inward Foreign 1852-1924, Inward British 1852 -1924 or Inward from NZ 1852-1924 on which I worked with other volunteers over the ten years I gave to help researchers coming after me. We did our best, so listers can find their rellies in minutes on the internet. They don't appear there by magic! Regards Ada At 07:12 03-03-04 +1000, you wrote: >In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or >Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 >(marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the >PROV website. >Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > >I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on >board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas >19 from Roscommon) > >My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index >derived from another source??? > >I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give >results that differ on other searches. > >Any help appreciated! >Judy >Qld > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Hello Peter, Are you saying that Frances LOMEN / LOMAN is definitely not your Frances LIOMIN? You said that the death certificate said 35 years in Victoria which is exactly the opposite to my argument of why 53 years was precise. 35 years is VERY imprecise and more likely a guesstimate and as she was married twice then chances are the informant was from her second family and possibly had no idea when she arrived in Victoria! Also, with such an unusual spelling of a surname it is extremely rare for transcribers to get it spot on. For example, my grandfather died in 1931. His surname on his death certificate is extremely easy to read ....... for me - because it was my maiden name - no doubt that it says FUSSEN however it was transcribed as TURNER. I can easily see how someone got TURNER out of it because someone wanted to RECOGNISE the name!!!!! .... and TURNER fitted - but it wasn't even close. So all the same warnings apply - as well as checking details! <vbg> Regards ...... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O'Sullivan" <sullivan2076@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: [GEELONG] LIOMIN-Geelong/Melbourne Directories > Hello Everyone, > > My apologies. the death certificate of Frances LIOMIN stated 35 years, not > 53 years. > > I'd like to blame the email gremlins but it was my bad typing late at > night.

Hello Peter, Of course, not every passenger list has survived for various reasons, but have you looked for capital "S" as the starting letter, and any combination of vowels. Some scribes wrote the L and S identically, and some wrote nearly all their vowels like " i " and of course n, m, u, were often run together, just a series of loops. So you could even have "Limun" or "Simun " and anything in between ! . You will have to be flexible. At least she was a"mature lady" which might help you sort any peculiar spelling using her age and single status. Regards Ada At 23:34 02-03-04 +1100, you wrote: >Hello, > >Are there any directories (Geelong) available listing names, addresses and >or occupations of single women in the 1850s? >Possibly also some sort of church list, postal address list >or sponsorship lists. > >I am trying to trace a Frances Mary LIOMIN, who came to Geelong or >Melbourne c 1853-1856. >She would have been in her early forties and probably spoke some French >and could read and write; so she may have been employed as a governess or >ladies companion. >She married a Henry Hitchens in 1856 in Geelong and then a William Mason >and lived in Geelong until her death in 1892. >Her death certificate (d 1892) stated she had resided in Victoria for 53 >years. >I would like to trace her movements pre 1856. >I have checked many passenger lists (1854-1856) into Victoria from the UK >for the surname LIOMIN to no avail. However, she may have come steerage >and not been mentioned. > >I'm at a loss as to what to do next. > >Any suggestions are welcome. > > >Regards, > >Peter > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to >http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District Churches : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Hello Everyone, My apologies. the death certificate of Frances LIOMIN stated 35 years, not 53 years. I'd like to blame the email gremlins but it was my bad typing late at night. Regards, Peter. _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Sorry - just another bit I forgot ........ Having searched for many years for MURRAYs arriving in NSW - sometimes successfully, sometimes not - make sure you check ..... MURRY and MURPHY and other variations!!!!!!!!! Also remember that for the period you're talking about, a HUGE number of "immigrants" were from Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) and consequently won't appear on the assisted or unassisted immigrants from British (or Foreign) Ports! Regards ...... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Meibusch" <raigmore@cnnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:12 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 (marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the PROV website. > Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas 19 from Roscommon) > > My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index derived from another source??? > > I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give results that differ on other searches. > > Any help appreciated! > Judy > Qld > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > >

Hello Judy, The number of times I have said "Thank goodness" that the NSW fiche/films are different from the Vic (Port Phillip) ones!!!!!!! Sometimes that one little word that is illegible on one might be legible on the other. It's highly likely that the error is a transcription one and you need to check the different copies of these passenger lists to satisfy yourself whether it is Jane or Anne - and even then you may not be able to be 100% certain either way. That's what indexes are about - a guide to help us find the primary source - never every make a decision based on an index - always check the original where possible. As Thomas and Anne are on different pages, then you've obviously checked both unmarried males and unmarried females etc. And another good way to check is to look at ALL passengers for the ship in question - sometimes transcription errors can jump out at you when you can see "the bigger picture"! Hope that helps ........ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Meibusch" <raigmore@cnnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:12 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Assisted Immigration records > In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 (marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the PROV website. > Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. > > I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas 19 from Roscommon) > > My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index derived from another source??? > > I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give results that differ on other searches. > > Any help appreciated! > Judy > Qld

In looking for my elusive ancestor Jane MURRAY from either Rosscommon or Londonderry Ireland (sources differ) who was in Geelong April 1842 (marriage) I recently accessed the Index to assisted immigration on the PROV website. Bingo...Jane MURRAY 26 on Regulus Feb 1842. I duly checked out NSW Archive film 2144 for the "Regulus". There was on board an Anne MURRAY 26 from Londonderry....but no Jane (although a Thomas 19 from Roscommon) My query is this merely an indexing error from the PROV or is their index derived from another source??? I have found that searching NSW archive index & PROV index will give results that differ on other searches. Any help appreciated! Judy Qld

Hi Peter, If her death certificate stated that she had been in Victoria for 53 years, that's a pretty specific number of years - i.e. not 50 or 55 but 53 so you'd tend to put some credibility in that. Why do you then say she came to Geelong c. 1853 - 1856 - by my calculations it was more like 1839-40? Obviously with a name like that it would be quite easy for it to be transcribed incorrectly, so be a bit creative looking for her immigration record ...... and you'll find it on the NSW Assisted Immigrants 1839-1851 ......... by searching for unknown surname (wildcard), First Name = Frances and year of arrival 1839-40 ...... LOMAN, Frances, 17 years, Ship "China", in 1840. and if you search the PROV Assisted Immigrants using the same principal, ...... LOMEN, Frances, 17 years, Ship "China", in May 1840 This ship arrived in Melbourne from London on May 2-4, 1840. There doesn't appear to be a Disposal list entry for her, but it would still be worthing checking out the Passenger list and see if she was travelling with someone or any notations etc. Mind you, if you just search for the whole passenger list for China, you'll find the following, presumably travelling together ..... LOMAN, Michl, 22 LOMEN, Bridget, 21 LOMEN, Frances, 17 LOMEN, Judy, 18 LOMEN, Mary, 22 Guess it would be worth following up the rest of them to get a clue as to where Frances went etc. Regards ....... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O'Sullivan" <sullivan2076@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [GEELONG] LIOMIN-Geelong/Melbourne Directories 1850+ > Hello, > > Are there any directories (Geelong) available listing names, addresses and > or occupations of single women in the 1850s? > Possibly also some sort of church list, postal address list or sponsorship > lists. > > I am trying to trace a Frances Mary LIOMIN, who came to Geelong or > Melbourne c 1853-1856. > She would have been in her early forties and probably spoke some French and > could read and write; so she may have been employed as a governess or ladies > companion. > She married a Henry Hitchens in 1856 in Geelong and then a William Mason and > lived in Geelong until her death in 1892. > Her death certificate (d 1892) stated she had resided in Victoria for 53 > years. > I would like to trace her movements pre 1856. > I have checked many passenger lists (1854-1856) into Victoria from the UK > for the surname LIOMIN to no avail. However, she may have come steerage and > not been mentioned. > > I'm at a loss as to what to do next. > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > > Regards, > > Peter > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Churches : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdchur.htm > >

Hello, Are there any directories (Geelong) available listing names, addresses and or occupations of single women in the 1850s? Possibly also some sort of church list, postal address list or sponsorship lists. I am trying to trace a Frances Mary LIOMIN, who came to Geelong or Melbourne c 1853-1856. She would have been in her early forties and probably spoke some French and could read and write; so she may have been employed as a governess or ladies companion. She married a Henry Hitchens in 1856 in Geelong and then a William Mason and lived in Geelong until her death in 1892. Her death certificate (d 1892) stated she had resided in Victoria for 53 years. I would like to trace her movements pre 1856. I have checked many passenger lists (1854-1856) into Victoria from the UK for the surname LIOMIN to no avail. However, she may have come steerage and not been mentioned. I'm at a loss as to what to do next. Any suggestions are welcome. Regards, Peter _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Hi, Could someone with access to the BDM cd give me some information about Vicki Rainford or Rainsford. Thanks Dean First Generation 1. John Watts (Wattie) Rainford. Born on 24 Jun 1878 in Richmond. John Watts (Wattie) died in Richmond in 1955; he was 76. Reg. no. 6152. Buried on 3 Jun 1955 in Springvale. Christened on 25 Aug 1978 in St Stephens Church Richmond. Occupation: Caretaker Brewery Richmond. Education: Piggoreet. Religion: C of E. Known as uncle Wattie. George Rainford always used to say lets go visit uncle Wattie. At school in Piggoreet his name is recorded as Walter. A J.W. Rainford is listed as applying for a bookkeeping job with the Richmond City Council. Address is given as 481 Station Street Carlton North. Name RAINSFORD on death certificate. In 1912 when John Watts (Wattie) was 33, he married Elizabeth Greirson, daughter of Thomas Greirson & Elizabeth Laidlaw. Born in 1877. Elizabeth died in Hawthorn in 1965; she was 88. Buried on 15 Jul 1965 in Springvale. They had one child: 2 i. Vicki Second Generation 2. Vicki Rainford. Occupation: worked at Balls Richmond. Index Greirson Elizabeth spouse of 1 Rainford John Watts (Wattie) 1 Vicki 2

Hi Dierdre and Doug Cheltenham Cemetery Headstone 1933-2000, $44.00 Go to Google Search Engine and ask for Cheltenham Cemetery CD and it will give you details. Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd ABN 15 068 209 576 PO Box 2773 Cheltenham Vic 3192 Australia Telephone: (03) 9585 6788 (Australia) +613 9585 6788 (International) Facsimile: (03) 9585 1086 (Australia) +613 9585 1086 (International) Email: sales@cohsoft.com.au Cheers Margaret

Hi, I don't know about a CD on Old Cheltenham Cemetery, but I was at the New Cheltenham Cemetery, Melbourne, last week. They hold the records for both new and old cemeteries and you couldn't find more helpful or friendly people in the office there -- I'm sure if you called them - they'd be happy to check their records for you. I don't have an email address for them - but the phone numbers (03) 9583 5738. good luck, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deirdre McDougall" <deirdremc@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Old Cheltenham Cemetery > Hi Listers I have just heard there is a CD on Old Cheltenham Cemetery does > any one know if its available on line/ lots of my relies are there > cheers > Deirdre > deirdremc@bigpond.com > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Surnames of Interest : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdname.htm >

Hi Listers I have just heard there is a CD on Old Cheltenham Cemetery does any one know if its available on line/ lots of my relies are there cheers Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com

thanks Doug just found my mothers ashes are still being held I was told 20 years ago they were to be scattered .it has brought me joy to find I can still inter them with her parents cheers Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com