Thanks Ken - will see what else I can find on him. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken.pickering" <ken.pickering@btopenworld.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Storekeepers > Hi again Pam. > I noticed on the Geelong List your entry for Storekeeper/Shopkeeper > Info'for October. > Perhaps you would be kind enough to mention my PENROSE connections in this > article also. > Details: HENRY LAURENCE PENROSE described as a FRUITERER at his death 1908. > He perhaps had a store/shop in Geelong at some point? > Many thanks. > Ken Pickering. > York.U.K. > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp > http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp >

Hi Listers, Just as a matter of interest, following on from your relationship discussion, what would my Mother's First Cousin be to me? I had always thought second cousin, perhaps I have been wrong all this time!! Thanks, Stephanie.

Hey, isn't the new Springvale/ St Kilda website of great value! However there are 3 discrepancies which I have noted and referred to the Trust authorities for investigation, and possible confirmation by checking of the actual plaques etc. As they relate to an extended family which was involved with Geelong at one time, I am detailing them for anyone on this list with an interest. I will list the results of the Trusts investigation in due course. John W (NSW) 1) Alexander Glaysher, age 27 bur 6-11-1896 Ref (Cemetery ref 9648) (BDM ref 15269) This is in fact a female, AlexanDRA Glaysher (nee Arnold), first wife of Percy Charles Glaysher) 2) Alexander M Glaysher, age 13 months, buried 1896 (Cemetery ref 7747) (BDM ref 7747) This is in fact a female, AlexanDRA May, (daughter of the above) 3) There is an entry for Glaysher with no details other than the niche number. Boyd Chapel, Court Niche, Section A, Niche 324. As it is next to Eliza Jane Glaysher (nee Oliver, second wife of Percy Charles above) in niche 325, It could reasonably be assumed that it is in fact Percy Charles Glaysher, b.1862 London, d.1944 Elwood, age 82, parents Jno Glaysher/Martha Jacobs (BDM record10627). He has not been located anywhere else to date

Ian, You would be Half 2nd Cousins. Normally you'd be 2nd Cousins if you both had the same great-grandparents, but you put the half in there because your grandparents were Half siblings. Sorry, I can't help you with Duneed. Regards, Justin Heath McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN DONALDSON" <allsure@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Relationships > G'day > > Here is an interesting question, well at least to me! > > My great grandmother had 2 children from her first marriage, and following the death of her husband, she remarried and had a further 8 children. > > My family line comes from the second marriage, and I have just made contact with a person who is from the first marriage and she also is also a great grandchild. > > Now my question is, what is my relationship to her? > > > As a secondary question just where was Duneed in the 1850s? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > Ian Donaldson >

Hello Pam, My Grandfather, F H Daniel was an Ironmonger in Geelong. Going through some old photos recently found a photo of the shop in all its glory. Has been converted into a home now and last time we visited Geelong it was still there. Not sure of the address but think it was just off Moorabal St. You are welcome to use it if you think it would be interesting enough for your newsletter. Cheers, Bill Willett, Benalla. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam & Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 8 March 2004 5:10 Subject: [GEELONG] Geelong Storekeepers > The Geelong Family History Group magzine for October will feature Geelong storekeepers. As this is a far reaching topic, listers are cordially invited to send a wirite-up of their ancestors in Geelong who may have owned a business in the way of a shop - butchers, drapery, grocers, cafes, hairdressers, etc. The cut-off date for contributions will be Oct.1st.Thank you, Pam Jennings (editor) > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm >

The Brisbane City Council has recently made the Brisbane Cemetery Indexes available on line. http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/residential_services/cemeteries/index.shtml and go to Grave Location search in the left frame. Happy searching Mary

Hi Ian, The following site might help you work it out. http://lewisgenealogy.com/relate.html Cate Sydney - Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "IAN DONALDSON" <allsure@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Relationships > G'day > > Here is an interesting question, well at least to me! > > My great grandmother had 2 children from her first marriage, and following the death of her husband, she remarried and had a further 8 children. > > My family line comes from the second marriage, and I have just made contact with a person who is from the first marriage and she also is also a great grandchild. > > Now my question is, what is my relationship to her? > > > As a secondary question just where was Duneed in the 1850s? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > Ian Donaldson >

G'day Carolyn & Ian, I ran a mock tree in legacy and came up with Half 2nd cousin. Mount Duneed is also most likely but not sure when the Mount was introduced.. bfn John Carollyn Williams wrote: >Ian, > I would say you are 2nd cousins with the same blood great grandmother - altho I do not have the same scenario in my tree I tried the calculation on my geneology program and it came up 2nd cousin as there is a common ancestor. Perhaps 1/2 2nd cousin? I would be interested to know what others think. > >Is Duneed, Mt Duneed between Geelong and Torquay? >Carollyn Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: IAN DONALDSON > To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:31 AM > Subject: [GEELONG] Relationships > > > G'day > > Here is an interesting question, well at least to me! > > My great grandmother had 2 children from her first marriage, and following the death of her husband, she remarried and had a further 8 children. > > My family line comes from the second marriage, and I have just made contact with a person who is from the first marriage and she also is also a great grandchild. > > Now my question is, what is my relationship to her? > > > As a secondary question just where was Duneed in the 1850s? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > Ian Donaldson > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm > > >==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >Geelong & District and Bellarine Indexes : >http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp >http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp > >. > > > -- John Whitehand Melbourne 61 3 93145306 "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." Antoine de St. Exupery http://www.westegg.com/exupery/

Ian, I would say you are 2nd cousins with the same blood great grandmother - altho I do not have the same scenario in my tree I tried the calculation on my geneology program and it came up 2nd cousin as there is a common ancestor. Perhaps 1/2 2nd cousin? I would be interested to know what others think. Is Duneed, Mt Duneed between Geelong and Torquay? Carollyn Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: IAN DONALDSON To: AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: [GEELONG] Relationships G'day Here is an interesting question, well at least to me! My great grandmother had 2 children from her first marriage, and following the death of her husband, she remarried and had a further 8 children. My family line comes from the second marriage, and I have just made contact with a person who is from the first marriage and she also is also a great grandchild. Now my question is, what is my relationship to her? As a secondary question just where was Duneed in the 1850s? Thanks and regards Ian Donaldson ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== Geelong & District Research Centres & Museums : http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdresc.htm

G'day Here is an interesting question, well at least to me! My great grandmother had 2 children from her first marriage, and following the death of her husband, she remarried and had a further 8 children. My family line comes from the second marriage, and I have just made contact with a person who is from the first marriage and she also is also a great grandchild. Now my question is, what is my relationship to her? As a secondary question just where was Duneed in the 1850s? Thanks and regards Ian Donaldson

Hi Margaret Thanks for your quick reply. Do you know if there are headstones for them. Regards Annette

Hi again Pam. I noticed on the Geelong List your entry for Storekeeper/Shopkeeper Info'for October. Perhaps you would be kind enough to mention my PENROSE connections in this article also. Details: HENRY LAURENCE PENROSE described as a FRUITERER at his death 1908. He perhaps had a store/shop in Geelong at some point? Many thanks. Ken Pickering. York.U.K.

Dear Pam My Gfather didn't own a shop but I do have a photo of Hairdresser John Dietrich's shop with his apprentices one of whom is my Grandfather I also have his debenture papers 1889 would this be of any interest to you ? cheers Deirdre deirdremc@bigpond.com

Annette John Findlay (Mariner) and Mary Findley both in Western Cemetery Geelong Margaret Lowry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Davis" <adavis45@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: [GEELONG] John and Mary Findlay > I am new to this list and wonder if anyone can help me with information on these people. > > John and Mary Findlay(nee Hobnell) were both born in Aberdeen Scotland,and both died in Geelong. I have their death certificates. > > John Findley (later changed to Findlay) died Corio Street Geelong 13 Aug 1862 aged 57.He was buried cemetery New Town by J.Monro undertaker and Rev.Fraser,Presbyterian. Occupation was given as Master Mariner. > Cert.states he had been 9 years in Vic. > > Mary Findlay died Off Corio Street Geelong 19 Aug 1895 aged 96. She was buried in The New General Cemetery,Geelong by James Monro undertaker.There was no minister or religion stated but witnesses were Thomas Heanders? and Ebenezer Church. Cert. states she had been in Victoria for 41 years. > > I have been unable to locate their arrivals and don't know if they came together or separate and if their children came with them. I know one of their children Agnes came to Australia as she married Jonathon Armstrong 11 June 1855 in Colac. > > I have looked at Mariners lists but can't find a John Findlay, also the two cemeteries mentioned don't appear in the cemeteries list for Geelong and District. > Were these cemeteries perhaps known by other names? > > If anyone can help I would be most grateful > > Regards > Annette Davis > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Mailing List Information : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdmail.htm > > >

The Geelong Family History Group magzine for October will feature Geelong storekeepers. As this is a far reaching topic, listers are cordially invited to send a wirite-up of their ancestors in Geelong who may have owned a business in the way of a shop - butchers, drapery, grocers, cafes, hairdressers, etc. The cut-off date for contributions will be Oct.1st.Thank you, Pam Jennings (editor)

Hi Listers, If anyone can spare the time when in the Eastern Cemetery, Geelong, could they watch for a grave of Mavis Jean Tansing, newer Presbyterian Section, PRS10-362. I would like to obtain a transcript of the headstone, and specifically whether the full name of her husband is given. I am unsure if she was married to William Edwin Stanley Tansing or William Henry Tansing. Something on the stone may give me some clue. There is some confusion and the BDM's do not help Thanks John

I am new to this list and wonder if anyone can help me with information on these people. John and Mary Findlay(nee Hobnell) were both born in Aberdeen Scotland,and both died in Geelong. I have their death certificates. John Findley (later changed to Findlay) died Corio Street Geelong 13 Aug 1862 aged 57.He was buried cemetery New Town by J.Monro undertaker and Rev.Fraser,Presbyterian. Occupation was given as Master Mariner. Cert.states he had been 9 years in Vic. Mary Findlay died Off Corio Street Geelong 19 Aug 1895 aged 96. She was buried in The New General Cemetery,Geelong by James Monro undertaker.There was no minister or religion stated but witnesses were Thomas Heanders? and Ebenezer Church. Cert. states she had been in Victoria for 41 years. I have been unable to locate their arrivals and don't know if they came together or separate and if their children came with them. I know one of their children Agnes came to Australia as she married Jonathon Armstrong 11 June 1855 in Colac. I have looked at Mariners lists but can't find a John Findlay, also the two cemeteries mentioned don't appear in the cemeteries list for Geelong and District. Were these cemeteries perhaps known by other names? If anyone can help I would be most grateful Regards Annette Davis

Hi listers I was indexing a book for the Geelong Book Index, a history of the Geelong Orphan Asylum/ Glastonbury, and found this timeline in the back that may be of interest to some 1856 First children admitted to the Orphan Asylum at Herne Hill 1887 Incorporated as The Geelong Orphan Asylum 1909 Name changed to Geelong and Western District Protestant Orphanage 1933 Building at Belmont opened and Herne Hill closed 1954 Glastonbury Children's Home adopted as the new name 1974 Opening of the first family group home 1977 Formal registration of the name Glastonbury Children's Home 1977 Purchase of St Cuthbert's children's home in Colac 1979-81 Total conversion to family group homes - children no longer in residence at Glastonbury. 1984 Name changed to Glastonbury Child and Family Services. Regards Lorraine

Hello Ruth, Did you check the Bellarine Peninsula Consolidated Names Index?? Previously you were asking about James and J.A.B. PRETTY and there are five Court References for James but there's also a School entry for Burton PRETTY - obviously he didn't use the J.A. bit, just the Burton! http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bpnmsrc1.asp Copies of the School Register can be obtained from the Bellarine Historical Society. http://www.zades.com.au/bellhs/bellhs.html#Research Regards ..... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: <rsmacleod@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Portarlington family > Hi to all, anyone have any info. re James Pretty who was a storekeeper in > Portarlington from about 1907 to 1917, approx. Also his only son (my father) > James Alfred Burton PRETTY who obviously would have gone to school in that > timefrom age of about 6, and who also played football in Geelong area. Thanks > Ruth MacLeod (nee Pretty).

Hi Caroline& Susie More on School & a Tuckfield connection. under EDUCATION in Geelong Advertiser 3 Jan 1868 "PORTLAND HOUSE, Educational Establishment for Young ladies , Yarra Street Geelong. Conducted by The Misses Tuckfield assisted by visiting teachers. School duties to be resumed after the christmas vacation on Tuesday 14th January." Background information: Caroline and Emily Tuckfield were the daughters of Rev Francis Tuckfield and his first wife Sarah who died in Maitland N.S.W.1854 After her death, Tuckfield and family the moved to Hobart where his daughters attended a school run by Mary Stevens. Mary was a musician and painter. At age 30 she married Francis, they moved back to Geelong, had four children and on to Portland,Tuckfield's final ministry, where he died in Oct. 1865 Mary Tuckfield moved back to Geelong soon after with her young family. Caroline (23) and Emily (21) lived with her and she helped them with their school for girls. Caroline married Rev. Henry Greenwood( Minister of Steiglitz) at Portland House 20 March 1869. Emily was married to Rev.George Schofield at the Weslyan Parsonage in Drysdale by her brother Rev.James W. Tuckfield on 16 April 1872. It is doubtful that the school went beyond the last date and it certainly was not in operation in 1847. Sorry Caroline!! This may be a minor entry for the April issue Pam? Nell Heath ---- Original Message ----- From: "Susie Zada" <szada@zades.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Schools > Hi Caroline, > > I'd be interested in any reference you have to Tuckfield school - I presume > "1847" is the date? > > Previous research re Tuckfield chapel, Tuckfield parsonage and Tuckfield > cemetery have led us to Drysdale which for a period was known as Tuckfield. > In fact there was a letter dated October 1854 from William Butters applying > "on behalf of a number of the inhabitants of Tuckfield" for a grant from the > Denominational School Board for a school on land granted to the Wesleyan > Church by the Government for school purposes. > > A detailed conservation management plan was produced by Alan Willingham on > the Tuckfield chapel and parsonage in Wyndham Street Drysdale. > Unfortunately all buildings are long gone but some good photographs, plans > and history. > > I wonder if this is the Tuckfield school you're referring to? > > Regards ....... Susie Z > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nunya" <ajcass@tpg.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Geelong Schools > > > > Another school to add to the list, Tuckfield 1847?? have not found > mention > > of it apart from my family source, perhaps it was conducted by the church. > > > > Caroline > > > > > ==== AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== > Geelong & District Towns and Regions : > http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdtown.htm > >