Bill, I'll scan my photocopies of the photos and send them off-list tomorrow - for tonight, my desk needs a major tidy-up before I get out more sheets of paper, and it's my bedtime. The originals are in our church archives, and have been cut down to fit into one of those mounts for bid occasions which have a lot of smaller photos around one big one. I don't know how much of their backing remains. Our layout person will be scanning them properly for the book. Robyn Gross sent me the following index entry: > Event: D > Surname: COOPER Given Names: John > Father: John > Age: 67 > Death Place: HTON Year: 1883 Reg Number: 1799 Wonderful! I thought. Here is information about a COOPER who definitely was in Highton! So I downloaded the image from the official website; and it was HAMILTON, not HIGHTON - the abbreviation is misleading. So my main hope now seems to lie in finding a descendant or relative around Benalla - preferably before the deadline for our book. THe COOPER daughter who married a TREWIN was called Carol or Caroline, and he was called John. We had a TREWIN family at Highton, but unfortunately there were other TREWIN families who lived nearer to Modewarre, and I haven't been able to find John's death entry. Do you have records of our local cemeteries? If he's from the Highton TREWINs his father was William and his mother was Kuria MOUNTJOY but I haven't found sign of their having a son called John. He may have been born in England - Carol was. It would be great if your local researchers could come up with something. With so many families to cover I am trying to avoid the cost of getting death certificates when I can, so tombstones with dates and ages, PLUS someone having heard of the Benalla family's having once lived at Highton, would be a great help. I have to enter a few more details in the file of Hannah BIRD's COOPERs, as I hadn't wanted to waste time of this family until I proved it was the one I want. But I may just have to see if we can prove that it isn't! Best wishes Marion

I have noticed frequent list requests which are simply headed "Lookup request" or similar wording. Many people such as me who do not have the resources to do lookups probably simply ignore these messages, whereas if the family name/s were also included, they might ring a bell with such list members, and result in an answer, rather than just being ignored. Why not try it! John, Bathurst, NSW.

Thanks, Margaret! And next time you send me an e-mail while we are talking on the phone, check to see whether you're putting it on a web list too - it might be incriminating!! Marion

Descendants of John Peake Foster Generation No. 1 1. JOHN PEAKE2 FOSTER (JOHN1) was born 1824, and died 1882 in Age 58 Geelong. He married ELIZABETH ARNOLD, daughter of WILLIAM ARNOLD and HANNA TUCKER. She was born 1826 in Kent, and died 1901 in age 75 Geelong. More About JOHN PEAKE FOSTER: Burial: November 01, 1882, Highton Cemetery Met 2 195 Death cert: 11953 Headstone: Highton Cemetery More About ELIZABETH ARNOLD: Burial: September 04, 1901, Highton Cemetery Met 2 194 Death cert: 9776 Children of JOHN FOSTER and ELIZABETH ARNOLD are: i. ELLEN3 FOSTER, b. 1852, Geelong; d. 1923, Geelong; m. CALVERT. More About ELLEN FOSTER: Baptism: Christ Church Geelong 342 Birth Cert: 23059 Death cert: 10550 Headstone: Highton Cemetery ii. EMILY FOSTER, b. 1854, Barrabool. More About EMILY FOSTER: Birth Cert: 4464 iii. ISABEL FOSTER, b. 1855, Geelong. More About ISABEL FOSTER: Birth Cert: 7749 iv. BLANCHE FOSTER, b. 1857, Geelong. More About BLANCHE FOSTER: Birth Cert: 10927 v. ELISA FOSTER, b. 1862, Barrabool; d. 1865. More About ELISA FOSTER: Birth Cert: 20703 Burial: Highton Cemetery Met 2 194 vi. ALICE FOSTER, b. 1868, Highton; d. 1953, Geelong West; m. JOHN ROY FOSTER DIETRICH; d. 1897, Highton Cemetery Met 2 195. More About ALICE FOSTER: Birth Cert: 23539 Burial: Highton Cemetery Met 2 195 Death cert: 20862 Headstone: Highton Cemetery vii. ELLA FOSTER, b. 1856, Geelong; d. 1922, Geelong. More About ELLA FOSTER: Birth Cert: 8953 Burial: November 23, 1922, Highton Cemetery Met 1 158 Death cert: 13130 Occupation: Nurse at Craig's Private Hospital 2. viii. WALTER FOSTER, b. 1860, Barrabool; d. 1890. Generation No. 2 2. WALTER3 FOSTER (JOHN PEAKE2, JOHN1) was born 1860 in Barrabool, and died 1890. He married MARY ANN HOWARTH 1886 in Canterbury N.S.W., daughter of HENRY RAMSBOTTOM and AMELIA RAMSBOTTOM. She was born 1864 in Rochdale Lancashire, and died 1944 in Age 80. More About WALTER FOSTER: Birth Cert: 20230 Burial: August 17, 1890, Highton Cemetery Met 2 197 Death cert: 11960 Headstone: Highton Cemetery More About MARY ANN HOWARTH: Address (Facts Pg): 415 Yarra Street Geelong Burial: May 23, 1944, Highton Cemetery Met 2 197 Death cert: 18506 More About WALTER FOSTER and MARY HOWARTH: Marriage: 1886, Canterbury N.S.W. Marriage Registration: Mary Ann Ramsbottom Howarth Children of WALTER FOSTER and MARY HOWARTH are: i. ELIZABETH ALICE4 FOSTER, b. August 01, 1887, Queensland. Notes for ELIZABETH ALICE FOSTER: The Birth regisration give mother as - Mary Ann Ramsbottom Howarth More About ELIZABETH ALICE FOSTER: Birth Cert: 1887/B039347 ii. ELLA AMELIA FOSTER, b. 1889, Geelong.

Hi, I have just sent Marion a list, off list, relating to this connection. Hannah Cooper nee Bird did die in Benalla in 1903 whilst her husband died earlier in 1883 at Highton. The first son of this marriage was also John Cooper b1855 but died aged 4 days. James John, Charles, Joseph and a sister Caraol married surname Trewin, all died in Benalla anad were children of John and Hannah Cooper nee Bird. Another daughter died in Ballarat. I wonder if the Hall in Benalla is a memeorial to both of the deceased John Coopers? (PS My grandparents (mother's parents) lived in Benall aduring WW2 operating a bakery in the main street!!!) Robyn from Wodonga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Willett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] COOPER of Highton - & Modewarre? > Hello Marion, > I realise this may be a little late and may not be of interest, and is away > from Geelong, but there is a John Cooper Hall attached to the now Uniting > Church in Benalla. > Did your John COOPER by any chance belong to the Benalla area at any time? > Could they be the same person? > If so, and you can supply some further details we maybe able to help. > Cheers, > Bill Willett > Secretary, > Benalla & District Family History Group. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marion Stainsby" <[email protected]> > To: "GEELONG List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:55 PM > Subject: [GEELONG] COOPER of Highton - & Modewarre? > > > > Is there some very kind person out there who has access to the Digger > > Index, and could tell me anything of the family of a John COOPER? > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marion , Could it be that the births were at the home of family living in Modewarre? depends on what age the child was when registered or if the mother or father registered the births. If it was the father he could have had business in Modewarre and registered them while he was out, possible had another paddock in Modewarre. Just Thoughts Margaret

Hi Ann Sorry to be so scatter-brained! (and sorry to spell your name incorrectly.) This birth registration should also give the marriage date and place of the parents. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON HI Anne Please disregard the message about the death; the birth certificate of the child; Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Robert William Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Laws Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON Age: Sex: Birth Place: KILDARE Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 7656 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Is more likely to give siblings details. Jennifer

HI Anne Please disregard the message about the death; the birth certificate of the child; Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Robert William Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Laws Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON Age: Sex: Birth Place: KILDARE Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 7656 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Is more likely to give siblings details. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Crockett [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:56 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON Hi Anne One other thought - the death certificate of Robert and Rachel's child who died in Victoria: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: William Robert Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON Age: 2 Sex: Birth Place: NSW Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 3396 Should give details of any siblings of this child - named if still alive, with ages: just gender if deceased. If there are any older children, perhaps born in England, that may indicate Robert and Rachel were married before arrival in Australia. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON Hi Jennifer, thank you so much for your help. I will work through them all and then I can see where they travelled across Victoria and NSW. I couldn't find Kildare on any online map of Vic. so searched for Kildare St and there is one in North Geelong near Bell Park so perhaps that was a settlement in the early days. Jennifer, may I ask another favour please? Could you see if there is a marriage record for Robert Laws JACKSON to Rachel STAPLETON? Up till your email I couldn't find a wife for Robert and the PROV online database has been out of service since the weekend so I am unable to check the Immigration Records to see if he arrived with a wife or not. thanks you so much Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > Hi again Ann > > This might be Robert's child Robert. Kildare, I think may be in/near > Geelong: > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: JACKSON > Given Names: Robert William > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Laws > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: KILDARE > Death Place: > Year: 1855 > Reg Number: 7656 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > > Jennifer > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne > Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 9:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > > Goodmorning everybody, > > I need some help to sort out the children of my two Jackson brothers > please. I have William Jackson arriving to Point Henry on the > "Andromache" in 1849. On the same voyage is Maria Neal and her parents > and siblings. After arrival William and Maria marry and I would like to > know the names of their children please? > > Some time later, perhaps just a few years Williams brother Robert > arrives in Victoria. I don't know if he is married at home in Norfolk or > gets married on arrival to Geelong but I would like to know the names of > all his children please. I'm fairly sure Robert had at least two > children... Robert born Geelong c1855 and Henry born Lower Murray > c1859. > > The name of Roberts wife would be an added bonus if possible please. > > Both men were born in Norfolk c 1825. > > A round trip to the nearest gene library or LDS is nearly 3 hours so > any help and information about these brothers would be wonderfull. > > many thanks > > Ann in Brisbane

Hi Anne One other thought - the death certificate of Robert and Rachel's child who died in Victoria: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: William Robert Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON Age: 2 Sex: Birth Place: NSW Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 3396 Should give details of any siblings of this child - named if still alive, with ages: just gender if deceased. If there are any older children, perhaps born in England, that may indicate Robert and Rachel were married before arrival in Australia. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON Hi Jennifer, thank you so much for your help. I will work through them all and then I can see where they travelled across Victoria and NSW. I couldn't find Kildare on any online map of Vic. so searched for Kildare St and there is one in North Geelong near Bell Park so perhaps that was a settlement in the early days. Jennifer, may I ask another favour please? Could you see if there is a marriage record for Robert Laws JACKSON to Rachel STAPLETON? Up till your email I couldn't find a wife for Robert and the PROV online database has been out of service since the weekend so I am unable to check the Immigration Records to see if he arrived with a wife or not. thanks you so much Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > Hi again Ann > > This might be Robert's child Robert. Kildare, I think may be in/near > Geelong: > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: JACKSON > Given Names: Robert William > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Laws > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: KILDARE > Death Place: > Year: 1855 > Reg Number: 7656 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > > Jennifer > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne > Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 9:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > > Goodmorning everybody, > > I need some help to sort out the children of my two Jackson brothers > please. I have William Jackson arriving to Point Henry on the > "Andromache" in 1849. On the same voyage is Maria Neal and her parents > and siblings. After arrival William and Maria marry and I would like to > know the names of their children please? > > Some time later, perhaps just a few years Williams brother Robert > arrives in Victoria. I don't know if he is married at home in Norfolk or > gets married on arrival to Geelong but I would like to know the names of > all his children please. I'm fairly sure Robert had at least two > children... Robert born Geelong c1855 and Henry born Lower Murray > c1859. > > The name of Roberts wife would be an added bonus if possible please. > > Both men were born in Norfolk c 1825. > > A round trip to the nearest gene library or LDS is nearly 3 hours so > any help and information about these brothers would be wonderfull. > > many thanks > > Ann in Brisbane

Hi Ann There is no marriage recorded in Victoria for Robert and Rachel, and I couldn't find one on the NSW online database either. I checked the Immigration CD for Victoria which starts at 1852 and couldn't find any likely candidates. There are a few "Robert Jackson and family" arriving in Sydney - from NSW State Records online database http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#Immigrati onampShippi in the time period, but no Rachel. Nor does the NSW immigration list have any likely candidates in its Port Phillip arrivals database. The only thing I can suggest, since they spent some time in Geelong, is to see if the local history centre there has anything like hospital records which sometimes give the ship of arrival. http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Egfamhist/index.htm If I can help with anything else, just let me know. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON Hi Jennifer, thank you so much for your help. I will work through them all and then I can see where they travelled across Victoria and NSW. I couldn't find Kildare on any online map of Vic. so searched for Kildare St and there is one in North Geelong near Bell Park so perhaps that was a settlement in the early days. Jennifer, may I ask another favour please? Could you see if there is a marriage record for Robert Laws JACKSON to Rachel STAPLETON? Up till your email I couldn't find a wife for Robert and the PROV online database has been out of service since the weekend so I am unable to check the Immigration Records to see if he arrived with a wife or not. thanks you so much Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > Hi again Ann > > This might be Robert's child Robert. Kildare, I think may be in/near > Geelong: > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: JACKSON > Given Names: Robert William > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Laws > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: KILDARE > Death Place: > Year: 1855 > Reg Number: 7656 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > > Jennifer > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne > Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 9:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > > Goodmorning everybody, > > I need some help to sort out the children of my two Jackson brothers > please. I have William Jackson arriving to Point Henry on the > "Andromache" in 1849. On the same voyage is Maria Neal and her parents > and siblings. After arrival William and Maria marry and I would like to > know the names of their children please? > > Some time later, perhaps just a few years Williams brother Robert > arrives in Victoria. I don't know if he is married at home in Norfolk or > gets married on arrival to Geelong but I would like to know the names of > all his children please. I'm fairly sure Robert had at least two > children... Robert born Geelong c1855 and Henry born Lower Murray > c1859. > > The name of Roberts wife would be an added bonus if possible please. > > Both men were born in Norfolk c 1825. > > A round trip to the nearest gene library or LDS is nearly 3 hours so > any help and information about these brothers would be wonderfull. > > many thanks > > Ann in Brisbane

Bill's response illustrates how the Barrabool Hills area, having been occupied so early, was a sort of seed-bed for families who spread out across the state as new lands were opened up. On Monday I had an e-mail off-list from Gaylene McCooey, who wrote, "Looks like the family ended up in Benalla", and sent me this information from the Edwardian Index 1902-1913: Surname: TREWIN Given Names: Carol Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Cooper Jno Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Hannah BIRD Age: 56 Birth Place: Death Place: Benalla Year: 1906 Reg. Number: 390 Surname: COOPER Given Names: Hannah Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Bird Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN Age: 82 Birth Place: Death Place: Benalla Year: 1903 Reg. Number: 8546 and from the Digger Death Index 1921-1985: Surname: COOPER Given Names: Joseph Father: John Mother: Hanna BIRD Death Place: BENALLA Age: 85 Year: 1950 Reg Number: 18070 Event: D Surname: COOPER Given Names: Jas Jno Father: Cooper Jno Mother: Hannah BIRD Death Place: BENALLA Age: 84 Year: 1944 Reg Number: 22091 Event: D Now that it seems the Benalla Coopers were possibly Wesleyan, it makes it a little more likely that the John Cooper I'm looking for COULD have been the one married to Hannah Bird - but we've still got to prove it! I still can't see why a couple living at Highton in the 1860s would have the births of their children registered over the hills at Modewarre. Bill, are there any descendants of your Coopers still around Benalla? We have photos of "Mr & Mrs Cooper" which were framed and labelled "Pioneers", and I could send you a scan for someone to identify. I have collected quite a bit of information about Hannah, which I can pass on. Apart from John Cooper's name on an 1861 map, this is all I know of the Highton family: From the GEELONG ADVERTISER ?th April 1914 > Mr Cooper, of Melbourne, took up the story as to the opening of the > present church, and referred to the self-denying efforts of the > Barrabool farmers, Mountjoy Brothers, Honey, Coomb [=Honeycombe?, a > member of the 1867-68 Building Committee], Ross and many others. > The Rev. J. Bickford laid the foundation stone. They had no organ > in those days; his mother used to raise the tune, and the first > hymn ever sung in this church went to the tune “Simeon”. He was > sorry that in compiling the new [1904, Methodist] hymn book they > left that out; but the authors must have felt ashamed of the > omission, for they put it in the appendix. Those were the days of > Matthew Burnett (he opened the church) and California Taylor. In > those days the young men, as they followed the plough, sang, “For > the Lion of Judah shall break every chain,” and other familiar hymns. Many thanks to all Marion

Hi Jennifer, thank you so much for your help. I will work through them all and then I can see where they travelled across Victoria and NSW. I couldn't find Kildare on any online map of Vic. so searched for Kildare St and there is one in North Geelong near Bell Park so perhaps that was a settlement in the early days. Jennifer, may I ask another favour please? Could you see if there is a marriage record for Robert Laws JACKSON to Rachel STAPLETON? Up till your email I couldn't find a wife for Robert and the PROV online database has been out of service since the weekend so I am unable to check the Immigration Records to see if he arrived with a wife or not. thanks you so much Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > Hi again Ann > > This might be Robert's child Robert. Kildare, I think may be in/near > Geelong: > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: JACKSON > Given Names: Robert William > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Laws > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: KILDARE > Death Place: > Year: 1855 > Reg Number: 7656 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > > Jennifer > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne > Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 9:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > > Goodmorning everybody, > > I need some help to sort out the children of my two Jackson brothers > please. I have William Jackson arriving to Point Henry on the > "Andromache" in 1849. On the same voyage is Maria Neal and her parents > and siblings. After arrival William and Maria marry and I would like to > know the names of their children please? > > Some time later, perhaps just a few years Williams brother Robert > arrives in Victoria. I don't know if he is married at home in Norfolk or > gets married on arrival to Geelong but I would like to know the names of > all his children please. I'm fairly sure Robert had at least two > children... Robert born Geelong c1855 and Henry born Lower Murray > c1859. > > The name of Roberts wife would be an added bonus if possible please. > > Both men were born in Norfolk c 1825. > > A round trip to the nearest gene library or LDS is nearly 3 hours so > any help and information about these brothers would be wonderfull. > > many thanks > > Ann in Brisbane > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Marion, I realise this may be a little late and may not be of interest, and is away from Geelong, but there is a John Cooper Hall attached to the now Uniting Church in Benalla. Did your John COOPER by any chance belong to the Benalla area at any time? Could they be the same person? If so, and you can supply some further details we maybe able to help. Cheers, Bill Willett Secretary, Benalla & District Family History Group. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Stainsby" <[email protected]> To: "GEELONG List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: [GEELONG] COOPER of Highton - & Modewarre? > Is there some very kind person out there who has access to the Digger > Index, and could tell me anything of the family of a John COOPER? >

Hello Listers, this is the most fascinating group of which to be a member. I thoroughly enjoy reading everyone's detailed information about our wonderful area. thank you all, kind regards dorothy ~~~~~~``` -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marion Stainsby Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 4:56 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Janette Pfeifer Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Re John Cooper Hello again, Jan. You have given me great help in the past, and will be on my Thank You list in the book (if I can fit it in!). And you have given me some COOPER women married to Highton Wesleyans, who may or may not be related to John. Many of them seem to come from an area in England where Bedfordshire, Cambridge, and Hertford all converge. The trouble is that I can't tell if Hannah BIRD's husband is my John COOPER or not! If that couple lived in Highton in the 1860s, why would they have registered the births of their children at Modewarre? Robyn, thank you very much for copying out those marriages. I presume the dates are of the marriage, and the date of birth is deduced from the person's possible age. Only one of the people you mention appears to be the child of a John COOPER, although it should be possible to do a search for the parents of the others. But the Sarah COOPER who married Joseph HALL was probably the child of John & Hannah COOPER, as she and her older brother were reg. at Ashby and Geelong respectively. Sarah was born 1857, so she's have been 19. I shall keep your information on hand, and may be able to link it with something else. Margaret and Anne, your earliest COOPER, Thomas, could possibly be the son of a John, so please let me know if you find out more. The only Thomas COOPER on the list of Geelong cemeteries is Thomas C, buried in 1972 at the Geelong Eastern Cemetery. I got some details of COOPERs from shipping lists, but there are just so many that it's hard to arrange them into different families; and I've found at least 11 adult Johns arriving as Assisted Immigrants before 1860, and about 20 Unassisted in the period 1852-1860. At the moment the PROV website seems to be down, so I can't search for a Thomas who may have come out as a child. Life wasn't meant to be easy! Thanks, and good hunting, to all. Marion ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again, Jan. You have given me great help in the past, and will be on my Thank You list in the book (if I can fit it in!). And you have given me some COOPER women married to Highton Wesleyans, who may or may not be related to John. Many of them seem to come from an area in England where Bedfordshire, Cambridge, and Hertford all converge. The trouble is that I can't tell if Hannah BIRD's husband is my John COOPER or not! If that couple lived in Highton in the 1860s, why would they have registered the births of their children at Modewarre? Robyn, thank you very much for copying out those marriages. I presume the dates are of the marriage, and the date of birth is deduced from the person's possible age. Only one of the people you mention appears to be the child of a John COOPER, although it should be possible to do a search for the parents of the others. But the Sarah COOPER who married Joseph HALL was probably the child of John & Hannah COOPER, as she and her older brother were reg. at Ashby and Geelong respectively. Sarah was born 1857, so she's have been 19. I shall keep your information on hand, and may be able to link it with something else. Margaret and Anne, your earliest COOPER, Thomas, could possibly be the son of a John, so please let me know if you find out more. The only Thomas COOPER on the list of Geelong cemeteries is Thomas C, buried in 1972 at the Geelong Eastern Cemetery. I got some details of COOPERs from shipping lists, but there are just so many that it's hard to arrange them into different families; and I've found at least 11 adult Johns arriving as Assisted Immigrants before 1860, and about 20 Unassisted in the period 1852-1860. At the moment the PROV website seems to be down, so I can't search for a Thomas who may have come out as a child. Life wasn't meant to be easy! Thanks, and good hunting, to all. Marion

Hello Ann Do any of these look familiar? The years for Robert's family are a little out to the ones you specified though so perhaps not yours. Hope these help. Joan in NSW Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Query ----- Surname : jackson (3244 matches) Event : b (926847 matches) Spouse Surname/Fathe : william (167998 matches) Spouse Gvn Names/Mot : maria (30853 matches) Total matching records: 25 -------------------- Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Esther Ann Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEEL Death Place: Year: 1851 Reg Number: 11128 Denomination: METHODIST / WESLEYAN Parish: GEELONG Fiche: 229 Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Esther Ann Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria Age: Sex: F Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1851 Reg Number: 32465 Denomination: METHODIST / WESLEYAN Parish: GEELONG Fiche: 465 Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Ellen Maria Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria Age: Sex: F Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1853 Reg Number: 37 Denomination: METHODIST / WESLEYAN Parish: GEELONG Fiche: 1135 Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Ellen Maria Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria NEAL Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEEL Death Place: Year: 1853 Reg Number: 428 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: William Robert Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria NEAL Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 1825 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Query ----- Surname : jackson (3244 matches) Event : b (926847 matches) Spouse Surname/Fathe : robert (45348 matches) Total matching records: 46 -------------------- Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Henry Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane WHEELER Age: Sex: Birth Place: COLL Death Place: Year: 1860 Reg Number: 204 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Charles Robert Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane WHEELER Age: Sex: Birth Place: COLL Death Place: Year: 1862 Reg Number: 1558 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Emily Jane Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane WHEELER Age: Sex: Birth Place: ASHB Death Place: Year: 1864 Reg Number: 21954 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Annie Louisa Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane WHEELER Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1866 Reg Number: 21458 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Frederick William Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane WHEELER Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1868 Reg Number: 16419 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: JACKSON Given Names: Alfred John Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Robert William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane WHEELER Age: Sex: Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1870 Reg Number: 23284 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON > > HI Ann > > Here are some results for William. I couldn't find anything matching > Robert's children Robert and Henry. > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: JACKSON > Given Names: Ellen Maria > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: William > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria NEAL > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: GEEL > Death Place: > Year: 1853 > Reg Number: 428 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > Surname: JACKSON > Given Names: William Robert > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: William > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria NEAL > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: GEELONG > Death Place: > Year: 1855 > Reg Number: 1825 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > > Jennifer > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > > > Goodmorning everybody, > > I need some help to sort out the children of my two Jackson brothers > please. I have William Jackson arriving to Point Henry on the > "Andromache" in 1849. On the same voyage is Maria Neal and her parents > and siblings. After arrival William and Maria marry and I would like to > know the names of their children please? > > Some time later, perhaps just a few years Williams brother Robert > arrives in Victoria. I don't know if he is married at home in Norfolk or > gets married on arrival to Geelong but I would like to know the names of > all his children please. I'm fairly sure Robert had at least two > children... Robert born Geelong c1855 and Henry born Lower Murray > c1859. > > The name of Roberts wife would be an added bonus if possible please. > > Both men were born in Norfolk c 1825. > > A round trip to the nearest gene library or LDS is nearly 3 hours so > any help and information about these brothers would be wonderfull. > > many thanks > > Ann in Brisbane > > > > > >

Margaret, Aunty Doris was born Sydney in 1911 while they were visiting his family. But I can only presume he was around the same age, that puts them in the right time frame si I'll print this off & compare when I hear from Nola. Sounds like typical Melb weather, that wouldn't be why I live up here???? Noooooooo. <laugh> Cheers. Anne from lovely warm sunny with a cool breeze Cairns, Aus. > Margaret Fleer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello again, > > Anne, Thanks for replying so quickly, even if you are in lovely warm and > sunny Cairns. Melbourne has some blue sky, with clouds, etc.etc. :) > > Gladys Jean Cooper, 1914 - 1992 .. married to Leonard George Fleer 1935 > > Parents: > Alfred Herbert Cooper, 1872 - 1894 > Mary Louisa (May) Richards 1872 - 1943 > > Parents of Alfred Herbert Cooper, > Thomas Cooper and Elizabeth Ann Earl, married 1870 > > Not much to go on, sorry. > > Marg > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hello again, Anne, Thanks for replying so quickly, even if you are in lovely warm and sunny Cairns. Melbourne has some blue sky, with clouds, etc.etc. :) Gladys Jean Cooper, 1914 - 1992 .. married to Leonard George Fleer 1935 Parents: Alfred Herbert Cooper, 1872 - 1894 Mary Louisa (May) Richards 1872 - 1943 Parents of Alfred Herbert Cooper, Thomas Cooper and Elizabeth Ann Earl, married 1870 Not much to go on, sorry. Marg

Hi Ann Here is another child to ponder. A death in Victoria in 1855. There is a birth in NSW which seems to be this child, but with the mother's name as Ann. Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: JACKSON Given Names: William Robert Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Rachel STAPLETON Age: 2 Sex: Birth Place: NSW Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 3396 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: NSW online database: Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District V18533682 39A/1853 JACKSON WILLIAM ROBERT ANN [no district listed] Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 9:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GEELONG] William and Robert JACKSON Goodmorning everybody, I need some help to sort out the children of my two Jackson brothers please. I have William Jackson arriving to Point Henry on the "Andromache" in 1849. On the same voyage is Maria Neal and her parents and siblings. After arrival William and Maria marry and I would like to know the names of their children please? Some time later, perhaps just a few years Williams brother Robert arrives in Victoria. I don't know if he is married at home in Norfolk or gets married on arrival to Geelong but I would like to know the names of all his children please. I'm fairly sure Robert had at least two children... Robert born Geelong c1855 and Henry born Lower Murray c1859. The name of Roberts wife would be an added bonus if possible please. Both men were born in Norfolk c 1825. A round trip to the nearest gene library or LDS is nearly 3 hours so any help and information about these brothers would be wonderfull. many thanks Ann in Brisbane

Margaret, Do you have any dates to go with those names???? I have COOPER 1st cousins born in 1940s. I'm waiting for Nola to send back the family group sheets with all their details on. Their father was Norris COOPER from Christchurch NZ, Mother Doris SMITH who's Mum was a MONAGLE. Cheers. Anne from lovely warm sunny Cairns, Aus. > Margaret Fleer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello to the Cooper searchers out there. I also have Coopers to find > but havent had much luck to date. The information I have is that my > mother in law was a Gladys Jean Cooper. She was one of six or seven > girls in a family whose names were Violet, Dorace, Maisie, Elsie, Ruby > and ????? > > Somewhere I have a hand written list of descendants back to Richards, > and Povey names, and was told it goes back to the Lord Nelson Fleet. > But none of that has been able to be proven. The details I have on > Gladys Jean Cooper are:that her parents were Alfred Herbert Cooper and > Mary Louisa (called May) Richards. Parents of Alfred Herbert Cooper > were Thomas Cooper and Elizabeth ann Earl. Parents of May Richards were > Abraham Richards and Isabella Thompson. > > Do you have any of these Coopers please? Love to hear from you if you > can help with my lot. > > Margaret > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message