Hi Doug, You're looking too far from home! James HARRISON of Geelong! In Melbourne there is a plaque commemorating "James HARRISON inventor of the refrigeration process and founder of the Victoria Ice Works on this site [Franklin Street] in 1859" See more details 1854+ at ......... http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A010479b.htm And of course his refrigeration of ships for the export of meat. BUT hotel cellars weren't necessarily refrigerated - they were just naturally cold! <vbg> Regards ................ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death > Hi Susie, > > I looked up the history of refrigeration. The first units went into some > ships in the 1870s, and also into breweries. > > Domestic refrigeration became available in the USA in 1911. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration > > > Doug

Hi Susie, I looked up the history of refrigeration. The first units went into some ships in the 1870s, and also into breweries. Domestic refrigeration became available in the USA in 1911. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration Doug -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susie Zada Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 10:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death Hi Folks, For those interested, here is part of .... Victorian Statutes 1874 (Amendments & Consolidations) Wines Beer and Spirits Act Clause 55 Every holder of a publican's license shall at the request of any officer or constable of police receive into the house mentioned in such license or upon the premises occupied therewith any dead body that may be brought to such house for the purpose of an inquest being held thereon; and for every dead body so received he shall be paid the sum of one pound out of any money which may be appropriated for such purpose. And if he shall refuse to receive such dead body for the purpose aforesaid, he shall on conviction thereof before any justice forfeit and pay any sum not exceeding five pounds. Regards ............... Susie Z ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 22/07/2007 7:02 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 22/07/2007 7:02 PM

Hi Folks, For those interested, here is part of .... Victorian Statutes 1874 (Amendments & Consolidations) Wines Beer and Spirits Act Clause 55 Every holder of a publican's license shall at the request of any officer or constable of police receive into the house mentioned in such license or upon the premises occupied therewith any dead body that may be brought to such house for the purpose of an inquest being held thereon; and for every dead body so received he shall be paid the sum of one pound out of any money which may be appropriated for such purpose. And if he shall refuse to receive such dead body for the purpose aforesaid, he shall on conviction thereof before any justice forfeit and pay any sum not exceeding five pounds. Regards ............... Susie Z

Hi Doug, No refrigeration - just cool stone cellars - in other words, cooler than most other places, plus room for inquests etc. Also, as they had to apply for a Publican's Licence, the government could dictate the terms. Regards .......... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death > Hi Susie, > > How did the publicans refrigerate before electricity, and gas? Or was it > just the coolness of a cellar? > > Doug

Hi Susie, How did the publicans refrigerate before electricity, and gas? Or was it just the coolness of a cellar? Doug -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susie Zada Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 6:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death Hello Liz, How do you know it was "on view" - implying it was there for the general public to view? It was absolutely normal for bodies to be taken to the nearest hotel as it was generally the only place with a "cool" cellar - needed to keep the body in a reasonable environment. Depending on the location of the hotel, the inquest was also often held in the hotel. This was actually a requirement of holding a Publican's Licence - if the publican refused to take the body he would be fined and could also lose his licence. Regards ............. Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:36 AM Subject: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death > Dear Listers > I am curious to know why the body of a deceased person was on view in a > hotel. This happened to a family member of mine in Geelong back in 1862. > Was this a normal occurrence or done for a particular reason? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 21/07/2007 3:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 22/07/2007 7:02 PM

Hi Liz - sometimes bodies were on view (so to speak) if identification was required, in the hope that someone may knpw the dec if he'd been in their employment etc. The body was also on view for the jury at the time of the inquest if needed. Regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susie Zada" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death > Hello Liz, > > How do you know it was "on view" - implying it was there for the general > public to view? It was absolutely normal for bodies to be taken to the > nearest hotel as it was generally the only place with a "cool" cellar - > needed to keep the body in a reasonable environment. Depending on the > location of the hotel, the inquest was also often held in the hotel. > > This was actually a requirement of holding a Publican's Licence - if the > publican refused to take the body he would be fined and could also lose > his > licence. > > Regards ............. Susie Z > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:36 AM > Subject: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death > > >> Dear Listers >> I am curious to know why the body of a deceased person was on view in a >> hotel. This happened to a family member of mine in Geelong back in 1862. >> Was this a normal occurrence or done for a particular reason? >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Liz, How do you know it was "on view" - implying it was there for the general public to view? It was absolutely normal for bodies to be taken to the nearest hotel as it was generally the only place with a "cool" cellar - needed to keep the body in a reasonable environment. Depending on the location of the hotel, the inquest was also often held in the hotel. This was actually a requirement of holding a Publican's Licence - if the publican refused to take the body he would be fined and could also lose his licence. Regards ............. Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:36 AM Subject: [GEELONG] viewing bodies after death > Dear Listers > I am curious to know why the body of a deceased person was on view in a > hotel. This happened to a family member of mine in Geelong back in 1862. > Was this a normal occurrence or done for a particular reason? >

Dear Listers I am curious to know why the body of a deceased person was on view in a hotel. This happened to a family member of mine in Geelong back in 1862. Was this a normal occurrence or done for a particular reason? Help! Liz Liz Seaton Mansfield Online 410 Howes Creek Road Mansfield Vic 3722 03 5779 1909 or Mobile 0400 603 134 [email protected] www.mansfieldonline.com.au Mansfield Online - A business, trades, services and community directory for the Mansfield area. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 529 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I helped someone a few months ago with the inquest for John Dalzeil at Anakie. Please contact me off list as I have come across another ref to this man and his burial. Regards, Pam Jennings

Hi Jennifer Is this what your after ? They had a family let me know if you need that as well Cheers Julie Surname: HELMS Given Names: James Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: BOUCHIER Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizabeth Age: Sex: M Birth Place: GEELONG Death Place: Year: 1879 Reg Number: 1349 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: >From: "bronwen" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Bouchier >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:40:15 +1000 > >i have an Elizabeth Bouchier in my family tree, her father being James. >Elizabeth married James Helms. (it is possible this name was meant to be >boucher). i dont have much info on these people >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:54 PM >Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Bouchier > > > >> and went to work in Sept 1849 as a kitchen maid for James > > BOUCHER, farmer of Geelong. Her term of employment was 12 months > > at £10 per annum. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District >http://www.zades.com.au > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at www.eBay.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%2F%3Fid%3D6&_t=763807330&_r=email_taglines_EBAY&_m=EXT

i have an Elizabeth Bouchier in my family tree, her father being James. Elizabeth married James Helms. (it is possible this name was meant to be boucher). i dont have much info on these people ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Crockett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Bouchier >> and went to work in Sept 1849 as a kitchen maid for James > BOUCHER, farmer of Geelong. Her term of employment was 12 months > at £10 per annum.

Our theory was that Johanna Horn married Christian Jorgensen she adopted her son Ludwig whose name was changed by his new parents, and a few years later she married Julien Grellet and is listed as "abandonded" on the marriage cert. Hence the family story that my gt grandfather was originally a Grellet.................. Is it too far fetched...???????? Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marion Stainsby Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2007 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Jorgensen/Schulz/GRellet///////////far fetched?????????? Kaye, I'm not quite sure what you suggest happened with these adoption/abandonment cases, because of the possibility of more than one generation having the same name, but I certainly believe that you can get a man marrying a child's mother and having the paperwork show they adopted him as a couple. Are you saying that your gt-grand was Ludwig Jorgenson. s/o Johanna Horne and a Grellet (Julian?) whom his mother later married? If so, why was he called Jorgenson? Is it possible that someone filled in a form giving his legal father as his natural father? Or that Johanna had three partners? Or that Jorgenson thought Ludwig was his, and later abandoned them when he found he wasn't, leaving her to marry the natural father rather belatedly? Is Johanna Horne necessarily the same person as Johanna Louise, or can this be one of those cases where an aunt or cousin brings up the child of a relative? Schutlz doesn't seem to quite fit in here, unless you can give us a few more dates. But in general I'd agree that far-fetched things do happen - especially when the records are kept by fallible human beings! I'd like to see some comments on this from other Listers. Best of luck Marion ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think one of the children could be buried at Rokewood, have a look and see what you think There is a family of Bouchier buried there. Dianne Hughes

G,Day Has anyone used the c.d. 1902 Police Gazette in archive books ? There is a name of John Clifford Sibun and I would like to know what the reference is a bout. Margaret

I have nothing to add re the BOUCHER name except that my great great grandmother, Mary Tobin, was an Irish famine orphan girl and went to work in Sept 1849 as a kitchen maid for James BOUCHER, farmer of Geelong. Her term of employment was 12 months at £10 per annum. Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susie Zada Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2007 6:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Bouchier Hi Ada, Could this be John BOURCHIER? He set up the first lime kiln in the early 1850s at Limeburner's Point but all children up to Nov 1855 were baptised in Geelong / Wesleyan Circuit. Last child born in Geelong in March 1857, next in Bungaree in Nov 1859, then children born in Ballarat / Bungaree 1860-1867. I think I've got some more notes somewhere from Pam Jennings on this family. He was born c.1823 Galway, Ireland and died 5 Mar 1893, Yarroweyah North. He married Mary Ann BRADY in 1848, Mount Shannon, Co Galway, Ireland. Found the notes from Pam - he does sound a little like a Jack of all trades - his wife was a cousin of Robert O'Hara Bourke. BDM index entries have the name as BOUCHER, BOUCHIER and BOURCHIER. I can email you a family group sheet off list if you like. Regards ................ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Bouchier > Hi There, > > I keep coming across a "John BOUCHIER" who seems to have been a teacher > in > a Geelong Wesleyan or CofE school in theearly/mid 1850s.. > > He's a man who seems to have "more front than Myers" as the old saying > goes.

Hi Ada - will check my Bouchier info over the weekend. I don't believe this name rings a bell with me - my connection had the limekilns at Geelong as Susie said but I will recheck. Regards, Pam Jennings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Bouchier > Hi There, > > I keep coming across a "John BOUCHIER" who seems to have been a teacher > in > a Geelong Wesleyan or CofE school in theearly/mid 1850s.. > > He's a man who seems to have "more front than Myers" as the old saying > goes. > Sought patronage from the NSW governor's wife for a book he had written, > kept writing to the National School Board to get a job or, in lieu of > that, > send him money. Even asked the Supt of the Electric Telegraph to call at > the > Board office to ask that he be given a job as a favour to him (McGowan) > and > I'm only up to 1858 in the records. > > In 1858 he lived at Merideth for a short time. He personally inspected > schools at Kyneton and Steiglitz, in 1857 and offered to travel Victoria > inspecting and reporting to the Board for a good remuneration.Asked the > teacher at Kyneton to lend hin 1/- to get back to Melbourne to put in his > report. > > He got up subscription lists, and did the rounds collecting ... for who or > what he does not say, but the above McGowan gave him 2/6... was it for > himself? > > He was Irish , and seemed to keep returning to the Geelong district. > > Has anyone heard of him? I've checked susie Zada's site without luck. > > Regards Ada > > > > Ada Ackerly. Melbourne > Formerly Ackerly Docusearch > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ada, Could this be John BOURCHIER? He set up the first lime kiln in the early 1850s at Limeburner's Point but all children up to Nov 1855 were baptised in Geelong / Wesleyan Circuit. Last child born in Geelong in March 1857, next in Bungaree in Nov 1859, then children born in Ballarat / Bungaree 1860-1867. I think I've got some more notes somewhere from Pam Jennings on this family. He was born c.1823 Galway, Ireland and died 5 Mar 1893, Yarroweyah North. He married Mary Ann BRADY in 1848, Mount Shannon, Co Galway, Ireland. Found the notes from Pam - he does sound a little like a Jack of all trades - his wife was a cousin of Robert O'Hara Bourke. BDM index entries have the name as BOUCHER, BOUCHIER and BOURCHIER. I can email you a family group sheet off list if you like. Regards ................ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Bouchier > Hi There, > > I keep coming across a "John BOUCHIER" who seems to have been a teacher > in > a Geelong Wesleyan or CofE school in theearly/mid 1850s.. > > He's a man who seems to have "more front than Myers" as the old saying > goes.

Kaye, I'm not quite sure what you suggest happened with these adoption/abandonment cases, because of the possibility of more than one generation having the same name, but I certainly believe that you can get a man marrying a child's mother and having the paperwork show they adopted him as a couple. Are you saying that your gt-grand was Ludwig Jorgenson. s/o Johanna Horne and a Grellet (Julian?) whom his mother later married? If so, why was he called Jorgenson? Is it possible that someone filled in a form giving his legal father as his natural father? Or that Johanna had three partners? Or that Jorgenson thought Ludwig was his, and later abandoned them when he found he wasn't, leaving her to marry the natural father rather belatedly? Is Johanna Horne necessarily the same person as Johanna Louise, or can this be one of those cases where an aunt or cousin brings up the child of a relative? Schutlz doesn't seem to quite fit in here, unless you can give us a few more dates. But in general I'd agree that far-fetched things do happen - especially when the records are kept by fallible human beings! I'd like to see some comments on this from other Listers. Best of luck Marion

Hi There, I keep coming across a "John BOUCHIER" who seems to have been a teacher in a Geelong Wesleyan or CofE school in theearly/mid 1850s.. He's a man who seems to have "more front than Myers" as the old saying goes. Sought patronage from the NSW governor's wife for a book he had written, kept writing to the National School Board to get a job or, in lieu of that, send him money. Even asked the Supt of the Electric Telegraph to call at the Board office to ask that he be given a job as a favour to him (McGowan) and I'm only up to 1858 in the records. In 1858 he lived at Merideth for a short time. He personally inspected schools at Kyneton and Steiglitz, in 1857 and offered to travel Victoria inspecting and reporting to the Board for a good remuneration.Asked the teacher at Kyneton to lend hin 1/- to get back to Melbourne to put in his report. He got up subscription lists, and did the rounds collecting ... for who or what he does not say, but the above McGowan gave him 2/6... was it for himself? He was Irish , and seemed to keep returning to the Geelong district. Has anyone heard of him? I've checked susie Zada's site without luck. Regards Ada Ada Ackerly. Melbourne Formerly Ackerly Docusearch

Marion Thank you for that...........I have a theory that is so far fetched that it is almost believable. My gt grandfather was adopted by a Schulz family Carl August Schulz and Johanna Louise...................supposedly his mother died......and her name was Johanna Horne and his father was a Grellet / Grillet..... Now we have a theory that Johanna Horne married Christian Jorgensen and had a child Ludwig in 1861 , which is when our fellow was supposed to be born. Then c1880 Johanna married Julian Grellet..................and has her status as "Abandonded" .............Obviously Christian Jergensen left her. Do you think this is too far fetched Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marion Stainsby Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2007 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Jorgensen Hello Kaye In these pages, the book describes the development of settlement in Belmont. This section is