Thank you Pam, What street is this one on? Is it the one at Grant Street? Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

Thank you Dorothy, That too is very interesting. It appears that before 1858 there was no church. This being the case where would the baptisms have occurred? Would they have perhaps been at home or perhaps in the house of the minister. The minister that performed the baptism for Mary Jane Harris in 1851 was Frederick Lewis. Regards Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: MD Ingram <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 7:41:38 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan Hi Russell, In the book "Forest, Lake and Plain" the following is mentioned. "By 1858 there were a number of Methodist families located in the area and the need for a church was felt. The goal was realised by the erection of a stone church built on land donated by Mr. A. Dennis in 1858. In the same year services were held at Ryan's barn on the south-west corner of Murray and Polwarth Streets. A half acre of land was soon purchased in Church Street for five shillings, where a brick Wesley Church was built, being officially opened in 1859". cheers Dorothy On 31/08/2007 7:24:46 PM, Russell Harris ([email protected]) wrote: > Sorry Listers, > My wife has just told me the story of John Wesley founder of the > Methodists... Sorry for my ignorance > > However the church looks to be a new one, the date is given as 1908. > Was this built where the old one stood or was the old one somewhere else > and perhaps has some other use. > does any one know of pictures of the olde church.? > > The time frame I have is > 1850's > > Regards > Russell > > The HARRIS family > Thomas George Harris > A Glenpatrick Miner > Also...Collins and Carey > I'm > now mining for information if you can help in any way > contact me, Russell on the email address > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Russell Harris <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 7:04:59 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan > > Thank You Dorothy, > They are great pictures, but I > can't see the Wesleyan church amongst them, can you give me some guidance please. > > Russell > > > > > The HARRIS family > Thomas George Harris > A Glenpatrick Miner > Also...Colli ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

Hello Linda, That is an interesting article, I had read that this afternoon. The church was a 20th century one I was after something much earlier. Thank You Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: linda and Stan Edwards <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 7:28:39 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac I did locate this report from 2005 which says the wesley church and hall in grant st colac is under uniting church ownership. and relate to its status as a heritage building, it has some interesting descriptions so was obviously standing then if this is the same one. http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/admin/file/content56/c3/Colac%20Church%20explantory%20note.doc linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

Sorry Listers, My wife has just told me the story of John Wesley founder of the Methodists... Sorry for my ignorance However the church looks to be a new one, the date is given as 1908. Was this built where the old one stood or was the old one somewhere else and perhaps has some other use. does any one know of pictures of the olde church.? The time frame I have is 1850's Regards Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: Russell Harris <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 7:04:59 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan Thank You Dorothy, They are great pictures, but I can't see the Wesleyan church amongst them, can you give me some guidance please. Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: MD Ingram <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 5:26:51 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan Try this site for great pictures. cheers Dorothy http://sinpic.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=colac+weslyn+church&Search_Code=FT*&PID=WDylbipY2eqzZp0LcVtxlShwEOTaK&SEQ=20070831172459&CNT=15&HIST=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Di Randell To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan > I was wondering if anyone knew if the Colac Wesleyan church was still standing and if there were pictures available. > I have tried google with no luck. >Hello Russell Google PictureAustralia ... there is a picture of Methodist Church at Colac. Di R. Brisbane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

Thank You Dorothy, They are great pictures, but I can't see the Wesleyan church amongst them, can you give me some guidance please. Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: MD Ingram <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 5:26:51 PM Subject: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan Try this site for great pictures. cheers Dorothy http://sinpic.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=colac+weslyn+church&Search_Code=FT*&PID=WDylbipY2eqzZp0LcVtxlShwEOTaK&SEQ=20070831172459&CNT=15&HIST=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Di Randell To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan > I was wondering if anyone knew if the Colac Wesleyan church was still standing and if there were pictures available. > I have tried google with no luck. >Hello Russell Google PictureAustralia ... there is a picture of Methodist Church at Colac. Di R. Brisbane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

Hello Di, Please excuse me for my lack of religious knowledge but is or are Methodist the same as Wesleyan?? Is it just a name change or merger or something else? Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: Di Randell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 5:17:58 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] Colac Methodist Church Wesleyan > I was wondering if anyone knew if the Colac Wesleyan church was still standing and if there were pictures available. > I have tried google with no luck. >Hello Russell Google PictureAustralia ... there is a picture of Methodist Church at Colac. Di R. Brisbane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District http://www.zades.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

Hello Listers, I hope this is the right list for the Colac area. I am researching my Harris family I was wondering if anyone knew if the Colac Wesleyan church was still standing and if there were pictures available. I have tried google with no luck. If the church is still there does anyone know if the records are available either on the web or through Libraries. The first child of Thomas and Emma Harris was baptised in this church in Jan 1851 following her birth in Nov 1850. Both Thomas and Emma were living somewhere in Colac at that time. Are there any land records available for this area around that time. Thank you for your time Russell The HARRIS family Thomas George Harris A Glenpatrick Miner Also...Collins and Carey I'm now mining for information if you can help in any way contact me, Russell on the email address [email protected] ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html

A good site for pictures of Geelong: http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia Di R. Brisbane

Ooops sorry... Below, in my earlier post, where I say "These are the ones, James KERLEY and Bridgit McGUIRE, from oral history, that I think I'm related to and really want to make a connection with." I meant to say Joseph KERLEY and not James KERLEY. Thank you Di R. Brisbane

> > small correction to something you said ... "then Michael goes by the > name KERBY!" > > - the person transcribing from the register for the index > read the name as KERBY which could actually be KERLEY. Until someone > checked the original certificate / register, this is purely the > transcriber's interpretation Yes, thanks for that Susie .. it's true ... I probably said that as I'm thinking Michael's probably not mine anyway ... I'm not giving up entirely on him, though ... I've also wondered if Bridget, his wife, shouldn't be KERLEY instead of KERBY .. a case perhaps of her maiden name not given? I've seen my KERLEYs (KERLEY is my maiden name) spelt, Kirley, Curley, Curly & back in Ireland, a whole heap of other ways, but must say I wasn't on the look out for KERBY/KERBEY as an alternative..but it's clear, with transcription, that that is a very real possibility. I see KERBY marriages Vic. Pioneer Index 1836-1888 and a couple of them have Limerick, Ireland as their birth place .. now I'd get really excited if their birth place was County Louth, Ireland, even England, instead of County Limerick! I do know that I'm not related to any early births in Ireland unless they were from Northern Ireland e.g. counties Monaghan, Armagh, Louth or the north of England to where a lot of them emigrated. There's two KERLEY families from Geelong that I've been researching, on and off, for years: James KERLEY born about 1831 (his marriage certificate says he was born Limerick) who married Anne MARNANE (spelling varies) from Co. Tipperary, Ireland. I have purchased this certificate and it definitely says he was born Limerick. He didn't sign with a X so he was literate.... do you think he'd know if he was born Limerick and not Louth? I have sorted out this family. James KERLEY was a Prison Warder. With the other incidences of KERLEY/KERBY from Limerick I think that this fellow and his family are not mine. The other early KERLEY from Geelong is Joseph KERLEY. He was a Councillor at Geelong as well as running a carrier business in which he employed a number of people. Like James KERLEY above, he was a Catholic. Joseph KERLEY was born about 1830: he left Dundalk, Co. Louth, Ireland to Boston USA on the "Cuthbert" March 1851 with his siblings, Peter and Ann KIRLEY (sic). He left Boston on "the first passenger ship from Boston to Australia" (I have yet to find what the name of this ship was), arriving January 1853. After spending some time at Bendigo goldfields, he settled at Geelong in 1857, dying in Dundalk, 25 June 1888, aged 59, while visiting there, with one of his sons. He had 8 children all born at Geelong. He's buried at Bridge-a-Crin Cemetery, Dundalk, Ireland (Old Section). His wife was Bridgit (sic) McGUIRE from County Carlow. Bridget is buried at Geelong East Cemetery 21 Nov. 1828 when she was 95. I've bought Joseph KERLEYs and Bridget McGUIRE's 1864 marriage certificate: St Mary's RC Geelong. There's a whole heap of Joseph KERLEY's (and Bridget's) descendants at RCHS*1**217 Geelong Eastern Cemetery. Other descendants, also buried at Geelong Eastern Cemetery, have Unknown Locations. These are the ones, James KERLEY and Bridgit McGUIRE, from oral history, that I think I'm related to and really want to make a connection with. Oral history also says Joseph was one of 7 brothers, hence my interest in tracing down the Michael KERLEY of my earlier postings. There's quite a bit on this Joseph KERLEY: in "The Irish in Australia", "The History of Victoria and Melbourne" and elsewhere. Joseph KERLEY's father was Francis KERLEY and his mother was Catherine McARDLE. My previous postings about Michael KERLEY were to do with the Michael KERLEY buried 21 Aug 1891 at Geelong Eastern Cemetery, location unknown, aged 64 - hoping to make a link with the Geelong KERLEYs above. Regards Di R. Brisbane

Hi Di, Just a small correction to something you said ... "then Michael goes by the name KERBY!" This isn't correct - the person transcribing from the register for the index read the name as KERBY which could actually be KERLEY. Until someone checked the original certificate / register, this is purely the transcriber's interpretation and definitely not the name Michael was going by. Regards ................. Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KERLEY KIRBY KIRBEY Sunbury Geelong > I tracked down the marriage of my couple, Michael KERLEY and Bridget > KERBY, and then Michael goes by the name KERBY!

it's definitely Sunbury based on the > other entries for children of Michael and Bridget ...... > > > > >> > I'm interested in a James KERLEY born Sbury, Victoria 1866, son of > >> > Michael Thanks for your input, Adelina, Bill, John & Susie I tracked down the marriage of my couple, Michael KERLEY and Bridget KERBY, and then Michael goes by the name KERBY! No place given for marriage so that's no help. I guess in the 1860s Geelong and Sunbury would have been considered a long way apart. I think I'll give Michael KERLEY/KERBY and Bridget a miss for the time being and concentrate on the KERLEYs who were definitely at Geelong: I have plenty to sort out with them. Thanks again Di Brisbane

Thanks Suzy. Dawn

Hi Suzie, at 65 km away, I guess it depends on what is "close" I do know some who "commute" further ; - ) Cu sometime, John On 8/27/07, Susie Zada <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I hate to disagree here but I certainly wouldn't say that Sunbury is > anywhere near Geelong - it's way out past Tullamarine airport. > > Di, if you look at ............ > > http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ > > and search for Place name Sunbury in Victoria you'll see where it's located. > > Regards ............... Susie Z > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KERLEY Sbury Sunbury > > > > Thank you for that Bill...it's looking good, then, if it's close to > > Geelong! > > > > Di > > Brisbane > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Whitehand Melbourne Australia ~ a Linux (Ubuntu-"Feisty Fawn")Desktop ~ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~whitehaj/index.html

Hi Di My suggestion on Sbury would be Sunbury an outer suburb of Melbourne, approximately 40 kms northwest of the city. Geelong is approximately 100kms south west of Sunbury. Regards Adelina ---- Di Randell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello List > > I'm interested in a James KERLEY born Sbury, Victoria 1866, son of Michael KERLEY and Bridget KERBY. > > Could someone familiar with Victorian place names let me know what Sbury stands for? > > Is it near Geelong? > > Thank you > > Di > Brisbane > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Di, Just further to the Sunbury entry - it's definitely Sunbury based on the other entries for children of Michael and Bridget ...... KERBY Bridget, b SUNB, 1865 KERLEY James, b SBURY, 1866 KIRBEY Daniel, b SUNBURY, 1873 KIRBY Honora, b SUNB, d 1873 And that covers quite a few spelling variations! <vbg> Regards ............ Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KERLEY Sbury Sunbury > Thank you for that Bill...it's looking good, then, if it's close to > Geelong! > > Di > Brisbane > >> > I'm interested in a James KERLEY born Sbury, Victoria 1866, son of >> > Michael

Hi Bill, I hate to disagree here but I certainly wouldn't say that Sunbury is anywhere near Geelong - it's way out past Tullamarine airport. Di, if you look at ............ http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ and search for Place name Sunbury in Victoria you'll see where it's located. Regards ............... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [GEELONG] KERLEY Sbury Sunbury > Thank you for that Bill...it's looking good, then, if it's close to > Geelong! > > Di > Brisbane >

Thank you for that Bill...it's looking good, then, if it's close to Geelong! Di Brisbane > > I'm interested in a James KERLEY born Sbury, Victoria 1866, son of Michael > Hi Di, > > Think it possibly be Sunbury, Victoria and it is not far away from Geelong. > Bill

Hi Di, Think it possibly be Sunbury, Victoria and it is not far away from Geelong. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Randell" <[email protected]> To: "Geelong" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: [GEELONG] KERLEY Sbury Victoria > Hello List > > I'm interested in a James KERLEY born Sbury, Victoria 1866, son of Michael > KERLEY and Bridget KERBY. > > Could someone familiar with Victorian place names let me know what Sbury > stands for? > > Is it near Geelong? > > Thank you > > Di > Brisbane > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For on-line indexes and information on Geelong and District > http://www.zades.com.au > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I'm interested in a James KERLEY born Sbury, Victoria 1866, son of Michael KERLEY and Bridget KERBY. Could someone familiar with Victorian place names let me know what Sbury stands for? Is it near Geelong? Thank you Di Brisbane