Could some one tell me if I can get a copy of a death notice out of a Victorian paper for December 1939 for a Charles AARONS Angela Driver Rotorua New Zealand

Dear Peter, St Andrews is in the Shire of Nillumbik (former Shire of Eltham). It was formerly known as the Queenstown and Caledonia Diggings. There is a St Andrews Historical Society who may be able to provide more details on the cemetery. St. Andrews Historical Society P O Box 9 St. Andrews. Vic 3761 (Helen Kenney, phone 03 9710 1519) Kind Regards, Elizabeth Pidgeon Eltham, Victoria, Australia Looking for Australian Women's Weekly covers painted by WEP 1930's to 1950's http://www.wepidgeon.com/ Please visit our web site at http://www.pidgeon.info/ Research Names: http://www.perthdps.com/research/pid01.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lakeman" <surreal@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: [AVC] Location of Tombstone > Hello Listers, > > I have heard reference to a place called Tombstone located near St Andrews > (just NE of Melbourne). Interesting name. > > I assume this was one of the local goldfields. > > Can anyone confirm that it once existed, or better still, give a location > for where it was? > > Cheers > > Peter > > ______________________________

Hello List members, Re: the locality known as “Tombstone” in the St. Andrews area. It’s going to have to have been a little known place if it’s not on Peter’s own excellent list at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/victowns/ or at http://www.vicnames.vic.gov.au or http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ I’m sure Peter is providing an extremely valuable service to history by his continuing search for these seemingly undocumented localities, AND documenting his findings on the Net. I’ve had a look for Tombstone in Flett (‘Gold Discoveries’ and’ Old Pubs’) and Helen Harris’s list, without success. The only thing I can suggest is a letter to the local paper. Sometimes old history has been retained in the memory of a local farmer or farm worker because the evidence of human activity (mine holes, broken glass and bricks, etc.) has reminded them from time to time of stories they were told many years ago. Sometimes they will know of an earlier name for a locality or road. I was dead lucky there. A local farmer (one who surfs the Net!) told me that the former (unofficial) name for a road at Bung Bong (between Avoca and Talbot) was Glover’s Lane, my gggrandparents surname. I already knew from land purchase records they had they owned land at a crossroad, but they lived on one of the three ‘opposite’ corners. I was poking around there recently and thought I had identified which corner their 1860’s Post Office cum Hotel had been on by the artifacts on the disturbed ground. A young farm worker came along, and we began chatting. Much to my surprise he was able to say that I had chosen the wrong corner, and pointed out much more substantial (but less obvious) evidence on another corner. How did he know they were the ruins of my gggrandparents home? Because he worked for an elderly farmer who always referred to that location as “Glovers’”, and who had told him what had been on the site. I knew from newspaper reports that my ancestors had left when the dwelling and stables been burnt down in the 1890’s, so that old farmer must have inherited the information from older people HE had worked with. So, making contact with the locals could be the best shot for finding location names about to be lost in the mists of time. I suspect my ‘Whitty Flat’ via Mountain Hut, via Amphitheatre, via Avoca is one of those already lost. The local farmers don’t know, and I suspect it was just a family name where my ancestors’ relatives, the Whittons, had lived. These are the people who are named in the family photo album by some wag as “The Whitters”. When you have family members who love to play with words, it gets a bit complicated. Who will know in the future that my father’s references in letters to me that the ‘babbler has just been’, will know that he is referring to the postman. Will future readers be able to unravel that ‘babbler’ was short for “babbling boastie” which was rhyming slang for “postie” which was slang for postman? In reality the postman was a quiet guy who rarely said a word, probably because he was in a hurry and had a whistle in his mouth! Good luck with Tombstone. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Hello Jenny, Thanks for the suggestion, but no luck there. And a general Google search brings up too many occurrences of "... tombstone at xxx cemetery" or similar Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 02:33 AM 08/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >Les Blake has no mention of it in "Place names Of Victoria". I also checked >St Andrews but no luck. Have you tried the Vic Heritage Gold Website? > >http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/HGMS/ > > >Jenny

Hello Listers, I have heard reference to a place called Tombstone located near St Andrews (just NE of Melbourne). Interesting name. I assume this was one of the local goldfields. Can anyone confirm that it once existed, or better still, give a location for where it was? Cheers Peter

Hi Peter, Les Blake has no mention of it in "Place names Of Victoria". I also checked St Andrews but no luck. Have you tried the Vic Heritage Gold Website? http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/HGMS/ Jenny

Hi Lorena, As you know, Edwards is a common name, but in case it's useful, these people signed at least one of the Petitions to the Government in relation to the Creswick Farmers' Common in 1860/61. Edwards and Sons, Storekeepers, Frederick Edwards, Chemist, Henry Edwards, Brickmaker. No Bolands I'm afraid. Tom >From: "Lorena Campbell" <narragil@netconnect.com.au> >Reply-To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com >To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AVC] Searching Edwards Family >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:56:10 +1100 > >I am a new member, looking to find info on my family---- > >Hugh Edwards & Esther Boland married Coghills Creek 1865. >Hugh came from Wales & Esther from Ireland they arrived in Melbourne 1859, >they lived around the Clunes area, Hugh worked the mines, 8 children were >born at Clunes. >Regards Lorena Campbell. > _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Hi Andy and Listers, http://www.familysearch.org shows a marriage of a couple with those names, viz 20 NOV 1860 Maybole, Ayr, Scotland. Might be them especially if you can find their immigration. Have you done the necessary search of http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=4? remembering that not everyone was unassisted, and not everyone came by a ship directly from Europe. Do you have their parents names, perhaps from their death entries? If you do, you may be able to find them in the Scottish Census for 1841 (the first) 1851 and perhaps even 1861. Tom >From: "Andy Blake" <mpblake@ozemail.com.au> >Reply-To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com >To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AVC] William Wilson and Mary Guthrie >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:32:49 +1000 > >Thanks to those who have given me leads in the past, I'm looking for the >marriage or origin of William Wilson and Mary Guthrie who had a son Thomas >in 1864 at Malsbury,Vic.Ive been able to confirm this info from Thomas's >marriage certificate but am none the wiser from where or when William and >Mary came from hope someone can help. > >Thanks Andrew,QLD > _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

I am a new member, looking to find info on my family---- Hugh Edwards & Esther Boland married Coghills Creek 1865. Hugh came from Wales & Esther from Ireland they arrived in Melbourne 1859, they lived around the Clunes area, Hugh worked the mines, 8 children were born at Clunes. Regards Lorena Campbell.

Thanks Tom, unable to find unassisted travel but will research the lead you have given me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Woolman" <woolmant@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson and Mary Guthrie > Hi Andy and Listers, > http://www.familysearch.org shows a marriage of a couple with those names, > viz 20 NOV 1860 Maybole, Ayr, Scotland. Might be them especially if you > can find their immigration. Have you done the necessary search of > http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=4? > remembering that not everyone was unassisted, and not everyone came by a > ship directly from Europe. > > Do you have their parents names, perhaps from their death entries? If you > do, you may be able to find them in the Scottish Census for 1841 (the first) > 1851 and perhaps even 1861. > > Tom > > > > >From: "Andy Blake" <mpblake@ozemail.com.au> > >Reply-To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com > >To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [AVC] William Wilson and Mary Guthrie > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:32:49 +1000 > > > >Thanks to those who have given me leads in the past, I'm looking for the > >marriage or origin of William Wilson and Mary Guthrie who had a son Thomas > >in 1864 at Malsbury,Vic.Ive been able to confirm this info from Thomas's > >marriage certificate but am none the wiser from where or when William and > >Mary came from hope someone can help. > > > >Thanks Andrew,QLD > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > >

Thanks to those who have given me leads in the past, I'm looking for the marriage or origin of William Wilson and Mary Guthrie who had a son Thomas in 1864 at Malsbury,Vic.Ive been able to confirm this info from Thomas's marriage certificate but am none the wiser from where or when William and Mary came from hope someone can help. Thanks Andrew,QLD

Thanks Tom I"ll follow up the information you have given me. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Woolman" <woolmant@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > Hello Andy and Listers, > > Here's the information I have on John Wilson, from the Obituary of my > relative, James Crawford, in the Kyneton Guardian, 16 August 1898. > > "the same year ( 1853) he managed a farm situated where the Newmarket > railway station now stands, for Mssrs Wilson and Bateman. Here he had charge > of the two imported Clydesdale Stallions, King Robert Bruce and Wilson's > Clyde....... In 1857, he leased from his old employer, Mr John Wilson, > Wilson's Clyde, an imported Clydesdale, and brought him to Kyneton, gaining > first prize at the show that year against another imported horse, Black > Prince........." > > How reliable this information is, is unknown. His wife and son who had > arrived in Victoria on 21/8/54 on the Morning Star, were still alive, so the > information may be quite accurate, although the events happened 40 years > before his death. > > While I'm at it, I'll list the coffin bearers "John, Hugh and James > Archibold, W. Crawford, J. Anderson, and J.Orr and the pallbearers, H.J. > Armstrong, J. Bailey, T. Milvain, F.E.Adamson, and J. Hobbs" > > Tom > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp >

Hello Andy and Listers, Here's the information I have on John Wilson, from the Obituary of my relative, James Crawford, in the Kyneton Guardian, 16 August 1898. "the same year ( 1853) he managed a farm situated where the Newmarket railway station now stands, for Mssrs Wilson and Bateman. Here he had charge of the two imported Clydesdale Stallions, King Robert Bruce and Wilson's Clyde....... In 1857, he leased from his old employer, Mr John Wilson, Wilson's Clyde, an imported Clydesdale, and brought him to Kyneton, gaining first prize at the show that year against another imported horse, Black Prince........." How reliable this information is, is unknown. His wife and son who had arrived in Victoria on 21/8/54 on the Morning Star, were still alive, so the information may be quite accurate, although the events happened 40 years before his death. While I'm at it, I'll list the coffin bearers "John, Hugh and James Archibold, W. Crawford, J. Anderson, and J.Orr and the pallbearers, H.J. Armstrong, J. Bailey, T. Milvain, F.E.Adamson, and J. Hobbs" Tom _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Not sure if there is a connection but my grandfather was a John (Charles Edward) Wilson. He was married in Fitzroy to Annie Snell. Is there a connection. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Woolman <woolmant@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > > Hello Andy, > Just a long shot. A relative, John Crawford of Wilcot Farm, Malmsbury also > with land at Woodend North, according to his obituary, bought a horse, > Wilson's Clyde from his former employer, John Wilson, of Newmarket > (Melbourne) probably in the late 1850's or 1860's. I write this only because > there was a pattern of people moving from Melbourne to the same districts. > If you have any connection with this John Wilson, I have a little more > information on him. Tom > > >From: "Andy Blake" <mpblake@ozemail.com.au> > >Reply-To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com > >To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:56:24 +1000 > > > >Thanks Peter its a lead I can follow up, Andrew > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Lakeman" <surreal@netspace.net.au> > >To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > > > > > > > Hello Andrew, > > > > > > The Pioneer Index gives the mother's name on Thomas's birth as Mary > >CAMBELL. > > > > > > Two possible siblings are Hugh (b 1868) and Mary Ann (b 1872). Both of > > > these were born at nearby Taradale and the mother's surname was spelt > > > CAMPBELL (with a P). > > > > > > Nothing else obvious without making assumptions. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > At 10:54 PM 25/10/2003 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Looking for information on birth and orgin of William Wilson only info > >I > > > >have is that he was the father of Thomas Wilson born 1864 at Malmsbury > >or > > > >Kynton Victoria. Wifes name Mary thats all I have so if anyone can help > >it > > > >would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp >

Hello Andy, Just a long shot. A relative, John Crawford of Wilcot Farm, Malmsbury also with land at Woodend North, according to his obituary, bought a horse, Wilson's Clyde from his former employer, John Wilson, of Newmarket (Melbourne) probably in the late 1850's or 1860's. I write this only because there was a pattern of people moving from Melbourne to the same districts. If you have any connection with this John Wilson, I have a little more information on him. Tom >From: "Andy Blake" <mpblake@ozemail.com.au> >Reply-To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com >To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:56:24 +1000 > >Thanks Peter its a lead I can follow up, Andrew >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Lakeman" <surreal@netspace.net.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:24 PM >Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > > > > Hello Andrew, > > > > The Pioneer Index gives the mother's name on Thomas's birth as Mary >CAMBELL. > > > > Two possible siblings are Hugh (b 1868) and Mary Ann (b 1872). Both of > > these were born at nearby Taradale and the mother's surname was spelt > > CAMPBELL (with a P). > > > > Nothing else obvious without making assumptions. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > At 10:54 PM 25/10/2003 +1000, you wrote: > > >Looking for information on birth and orgin of William Wilson only info >I > > >have is that he was the father of Thomas Wilson born 1864 at Malmsbury >or > > >Kynton Victoria. Wifes name Mary thats all I have so if anyone can help >it > > >would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Andrew > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Maria mCLeod nee Zimmer married William White in 1867 reference 725. and Maria and William had one son that I know of George White b. 1968 ref 7665. he died 1937 at Broadford. Maria is part of my lateral McLeod family This may not be what you are looking for. The trouble with planning is that it takes the skills out of day to day crisis management. Stickland Genealogical Data Base 1269 - 2050 Daws Genealogical Data Base 1700 - 2050 http://users.netlink.com.au/~markes Margaret Stickland Geelong Australia

Tom thanks for the info, the John Wilson you mentioned could be the father of William Wilson so any further information would be greatly appreciated ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Woolman" <woolmant@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > > Hello Andy, > Just a long shot. A relative, John Crawford of Wilcot Farm, Malmsbury also > with land at Woodend North, according to his obituary, bought a horse, > Wilson's Clyde from his former employer, John Wilson, of Newmarket > (Melbourne) probably in the late 1850's or 1860's. I write this only because > there was a pattern of people moving from Melbourne to the same districts. > If you have any connection with this John Wilson, I have a little more > information on him. Tom > > >From: "Andy Blake" <mpblake@ozemail.com.au> > >Reply-To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com > >To: AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:56:24 +1000 > > > >Thanks Peter its a lead I can follow up, Andrew > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Lakeman" <surreal@netspace.net.au> > >To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > > > > > > > Hello Andrew, > > > > > > The Pioneer Index gives the mother's name on Thomas's birth as Mary > >CAMBELL. > > > > > > Two possible siblings are Hugh (b 1868) and Mary Ann (b 1872). Both of > > > these were born at nearby Taradale and the mother's surname was spelt > > > CAMPBELL (with a P). > > > > > > Nothing else obvious without making assumptions. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > At 10:54 PM 25/10/2003 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Looking for information on birth and orgin of William Wilson only info > >I > > > >have is that he was the father of Thomas Wilson born 1864 at Malmsbury > >or > > > >Kynton Victoria. Wifes name Mary thats all I have so if anyone can help > >it > > > >would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp >

Thanks Peter its a lead I can follow up, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lakeman" <surreal@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AVC] William Wilson > Hello Andrew, > > The Pioneer Index gives the mother's name on Thomas's birth as Mary CAMBELL. > > Two possible siblings are Hugh (b 1868) and Mary Ann (b 1872). Both of > these were born at nearby Taradale and the mother's surname was spelt > CAMPBELL (with a P). > > Nothing else obvious without making assumptions. > > Cheers > > Peter > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > At 10:54 PM 25/10/2003 +1000, you wrote: > >Looking for information on birth and orgin of William Wilson only info I > >have is that he was the father of Thomas Wilson born 1864 at Malmsbury or > >Kynton Victoria. Wifes name Mary thats all I have so if anyone can help it > >would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Andrew > > >

Hello Andrew, The Pioneer Index gives the mother's name on Thomas's birth as Mary CAMBELL. Two possible siblings are Hugh (b 1868) and Mary Ann (b 1872). Both of these were born at nearby Taradale and the mother's surname was spelt CAMPBELL (with a P). Nothing else obvious without making assumptions. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 10:54 PM 25/10/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Looking for information on birth and orgin of William Wilson only info I >have is that he was the father of Thomas Wilson born 1864 at Malmsbury or >Kynton Victoria. Wifes name Mary thats all I have so if anyone can help it >would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Andrew

Looking for information on birth and orgin of William Wilson only info I have is that he was the father of Thomas Wilson born 1864 at Malmsbury or Kynton Victoria. Wifes name Mary thats all I have so if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Andrew