This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mshirlc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11549.4.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi! Yes that's my family. I have the same information for outward passengers, I noticed Mary Jane's age of 27, I thought it might be mistranscribed, should be 21. On the actual passenger list no ages are given so I can't compare. They got on in Melbourne and off in London. The copy of the marriage registration I sent to Australia for has the year 1902, a copy of the actual marriage certificate that they took home has the year 1901. On the children's Scottish births 1901, Melbourne is the year and place given for the marriage. I think Mary Jane was under age and changed it to 21. I did get the birth for David Cargill B- 1902, no other issue are mentioned. He was born Woman's Hospital, Melbourne. I wish he had been born at home it might have different witness, maybe a relative. It did say Mary Jane was born in Carlton Victoria. I also finally found them in the 1911 census, not were I expected them to be. Mary Jane was 29, married 9 years, b- Australia, mother of 5 with 4 living. With that age it makes her born 1882. I think the one who died would be born between 1906 - 1910, there's a gap there. It was my aunt, my dad's youngest sister who went to Australia with her family in 1953, my 3 cousins are still there. I don't know why they went, there was no Cargill's there that I know of, no relatives at all. I did hear that she tried to find her mothers family with no luck. One of the cousins is coming here in June, although he was only 5 when they went I plan to question him to see what he knows. David and Mary Jane named the children after the Scottish naming pattern ...... loosely, they didn't quite stick with it. David 1902 was named after his grandfather, Jessie 1904 after her grandmother, John 1906, my dad, I always thought after his Wilson grandfather, now I'm not sure. John's middle name was Aitkin, I've never figured out where it came from. Three others after relatives, Mary Wilson I guess for her mother. Mary Jane's death certificate has exactly the same information as her marriage cert, same father, same mother, same birth place, Carlton, the information was given by son David, I imagine he took the information from the marriage cert, I got a copy from David's son. I appreciate you taking a interest and trying to help, this is one tough lady to find. I often wonder what she didn't want people to know. She was educated, she wrote a nice letter. She was a beautiful knitter, someone must have taught her sometime. Shirley Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>