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Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10350.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Emma In your original post you said you hadn't been able to find any trace of Kate's sisters, Mary Anne or Emily Jane, but then in reply to my post of 2011 you said you had all the information for them.....so in case others try tracing them for you, the Mary Anne who died 1852 was a 54yo, but I can't find your MaryAnn after 1881 and Emily Jane married Thomas William SHARPE after the birth of the son Henry Arthur- I have also found that family in 1871: Household Members: Name Age Thomas W Sharpe 25 -porter at a chemist Emily J Sharpe 23 Henry A Sharpe 3 John Blake 70 Christopher Herring 34 Elizabeth Herring 33 They are living at St Pancras Their son Henry was born before the marriage and went on to marry in Alverstoke, Hampshire in 1917, He died 1938 Henry Arthur Maggs(Sharpe) Birth 28 Apr.1867 in Bloomsbury,London Death 1938 in Uxbridge, Middlesex, England he married Helena MAGGS, 1876- 1947 ( daughter of Joseph )- it was her second marriage here is Emily and son in 1881: Household Members: Name Age Emily Sharpe 31-Dressmaker, married Henry Sharpe 14- Errand Boy Street Address: 129 Gt Titchfield St Henry reverted to his mother's maiden name by 1891- I think Thomas William SHARPE went off with a lady by the name of Rosina/Rosetta after 1871 and had a son Thomas with her in 1901: MAGGS, Henry Head Married M 33 1868 Sick Berth Steward Bloomsbury, London MAGGS, Helena Wife Married F 24 1877 St James, London MAGGS, John H Son M 6 1895 London MAGGS, May E Daughter F 2 1899 London MAGGS, Joseph Son M 0 (7 MOS) 1901 Gosport, Hampshire Address: 31, Gladstone Road, Alverstoke County: Hampshire Henry and Helena didn't marry until 1917 - Helena had married in 1895: Marriages Mar 1895 Maggs Helena Elizabeth Westminster 1a 699 Pamplin John Henry Westminster 1a 699: John Henry PAMPLIN died 1918 in Marylebone aged 43. There is a death for an Emily J SHARPE in 1920, but I don't think she is nee MAGGS. There is an Emily Jane SHARPE in 1911, but she was married to William SHARPE, the wood sawyer. Marriages Dec 1917 Maggs Ellen E Maggs Portsmouth 2b 1337 Maggs Henry A Maggs Portsmouth 2b 1337 Deaths Jun 1947 Maggs Ellen E 71 Portsmouth 6b 429 I found Thomas William SHARPE in 1911 - says he has been married 41 years and Rosetta is shown as a servant with her maiden name of JOHNS! Claims he has no children and born Huntingdon- quite different to earlier censuses SHARPE, Thomas William Head Married41 years M 66 1845 Packer Wholesale Druggist Huntingdon St Ives JOHNS, Rosella Single F 61 1850 Housekeeper Domestic Somerset Subverton Parish: St Marylebone Address: 39 -40 Foley St W 1851 JOHNS, John Robert Head Married M 22 1829 Ag Labourer Symford, Devonshire JOHNS, Mary Wife F 24 1827 Silk Warper Brompton Parish, Somerset JOHNS, Rosetta Daughter F 0 (11 MOS)1851 Dulverton, Somerset Address: Lady Street, Dulverton County: Devonshire Marriages Dec 1849 Johns John Robt Tiverton & 10 407 Escott Mary Tiverton &c 10 407 by 1861 they were using the name 'Robertjohns'..making it very hard to find them!They are still in Dulverton.Rosetta was a silk winder. By 1871, she is in Finsbury as a servant 'Rose JOHNS'. By 1881 she is 'married' to Thomas W SHARPE, living in Pancras. Their son Thomas William SHARPE b 1886 married Ruth Rose O'BRIEN b 1886 ( christened Ruth Caroline) in 1906 I am still not sure what happened to Emily Jane after 1881 - there is a marriage in 1883, but there is no parish record to see who that girl married I found some cryptic notes for John Forward KELLY who married Kate Eliza MAGGS in Victoria... JOHN KELLY: Property stolen from his store. (VPG 26/1/1860.) JOHN KELLY: Merchant. High street. Avoca. 1856. (ER). J.F. KELLY: C of E. Storekeeper. patron. Avoca School. 1861-62. (VPP 1862. No 15). JOHN FORWARD KELLY: GLH..... ... It appears John Forward KELLY became insolvent in 1868 and had to part with all his possessions..if you search the newspapers and add 'Avoca' you will find other refs to him: Friday 13 March 1868 ( also spelt FORWOOD) ............... I found Kate and John had another child in 1865: Name: Kelly Father's Name: John Forward Kelly Mother's name: Kate Eliza Maggs Birth Place: Avoca, Victoria Registration Year: 1865 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 19846 The Argus Monday 8 October 1866 WANTED, a FEMALE ASSISTANT, for the Avoca Common School, No. 4. Applications, with testimonials, received till the 20th October, addressed J. F. Kelly, correspondent, Avoca. The Argus Tuesday 25 June 1867 KELLY.-On the 10th inst, at Avoca, Mrs. J. F. Kelly of a son. The Argus Saturday 4 November 1865 AUSTRALIAN MUTUAL PROVIDENT (LIFE ASSURANCE) SOCIETY. ' Agents and Medical Referees In Victoria : AGENTS. Amherst .. .. Hy. Robinson, Esq. Avoca. J. F. Kelly, Esq. I have saved the best to last :-)) The closest I can find after spending hours on this, is this one: Name: Kate Elisa Malls Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Age: 12 Arrival Date: 7 Aug 1854 Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia Departure Port: London & Plymouth Ship: Historia Nationality: British and on the Vic Pro website, she is listed as: MATTS KATE ELISHA 12 AUG 1854 HISTORIA B 073 001 I wonder who she travelled with - its hard to search the whole passenger list as the website will only give 50 names and there were 143 on board the ship - I played around by entering just one letter of a surname to see if i could find another related family name...maybe that is something you could do... http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23 Advertisements & Notices . Daily News (London, England), Friday, March 24, 1854 an advertisement for passage - cost 21 quid per person- new ship, and where to apply for bookings...can send it to you off list if interested There is a lovely , brief, story about the Historia meeting a war ship on the way out..can email it. England was at war at this time ( again!) SHIP NEWS . The Morning Post (London, England), Wednesday, April 19, 1854; Historia - Sailed for Adelaide South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Tuesday 1 August 1854 Historia, barque, 443 tons, Mowat, master, from Plymouth. August 7.-Historia, barque, 443 tons, T. R. Moffat, from London via Adelaide 2nd Inst. Passengers cslln : Mr. Skinfeel, and one hundred and forty the intermediate and steerage. E. Westby and Co., agents Lloyd's Register of Shipping 1854-5: Historia, barque, 443 tons, owned by Griffiths & Co., registered at London, voyage London for Australia, Capt.T.Mowat. I tried to find unaccompanied children - most came out with families so you might be able to work out who all the kids were - I found John KENNY aged 7 and William GIBB aged 15- Hopefully there is some new stuff here! Cheers Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.