This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10983.2.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Fiona I just went back and looked at that passenger arrival for Janet PAUL in 1848 - there was one for Janet arriving from Paisley and another from Perthshire ( on Ancestry)- so I looked at the Perthshire one and found it is actually the same shipping record - but that record has more info - says she is Presbyterian,born in Paisley, parents are John & Catherine, father John is living in Paisley and she could read......arrived on the Waverley. so I looked to see if I could find a marriage for John and .....ta-da.... John Paul Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 marriage: 22 Jul 1825 High Church,?Paisley,?Renfrew,?Scotland spouse: Cathrine Fraser So it looks like the death cert had the wrong father's name.....mind you, William PAUL and John PAUL could have been brothers anyway! Especially as you will see both William and John had a son called Matthew So, if we carry this line of thought further, here is the family in 1841 ( I have looked at these records so many times, I almost know them off by heart): 1841 PAUL, John M 35 1806 Ag Lab Renfrewshire PAUL, Catherine 35 1806 Renfrewshire PAUL, John M 14 1827 Renfrewshire PAUL, Janet F 7 1834 Renfrewshire PAUL, William M 4 1837 Renfrewshire PAUL, Mathew M 2 1839 Renfrewshire Address: 103, George Street, Paisley County: Renfrewshire Civil parish: Paisley Martyrs and a lucky find-possibly related to above: PAUL, Margaret F 70 1771 Renfrewshire PAUL, Matthew M 30 1811 M S Renfrewshire MCDONALD, Janet F 25 1816 Renfrewshire Address: 113, George Street, Paisley A lot of work needs to be done on this family ( and I have spent ages on it already!)- they don't seem to be about in 1851 - although its possible Matthew stayed and married ..if so, there is a link to Robert AITKEN who married Margaret ( possibly Ogilvie but surely should be PAUL!) and a grandmother called Isabella PAUL b abt 1783 - ( found in 1861) - but I haven't been able to find this grandma in earlier censuses, which could mean yet another typo There is a Tree on Ancestry that has William & Agness's family - William's parents are given as Robert PAUL b 1765 and Janet GALBREATH b 1767 - married June 1789 in Middle Church Paisley- they had a lot of children-including a John b 26 Feb 1798..they also had a Matthew b 30 May 1808 William and Agness are still going strong in Paisley in 1871 No sign of John , Catherine or the other children in 1851- there is a John PAUL in 1851, farm labourer says born 1814 Paisley - on his own in Greenock Another possibility is that Jessie was born to Janet outside of wedlock and she went to Vic to start over - maybe the fellow she was a servant for banished her ( or his wife) and she met Archie in Melbourne after he arrived late 1852...that shipping record is the best fit for any AA arriving into Oz...maybe the bit about being 'born at sea' was to cover for the fact there is no birth certificate...so no father's name mentioned... you might find this interesting - its the rules for when the WAVERLEY docked! http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1848/N/general/143-a.pdf I don't know how you can get to view the shipping record for Archie in 1852 - but it might throw some more light if you ( or someone) can get to see it Anyway, thats it from me - I think I have found the right family for you now, so good luck with your research Cheers Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.