This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Fiona_crisp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10983.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jocelyn We have several pieces of evidence that suggest Janet arrived earlier than 1852. She is an enigmatic charachter and we've even found a link to Stan Laurel of Laurel and Hardy fame! Anyway we have her death certificate and numerous children's birth certificates that all state she and Archibald were married in 1851 in Sydney. We think (pure assumption) that Jesse their daughter was born on a ship going between Sydney and Melbourne in 1852 as their next child, George (my ancestor) was born in Melbourne in 1854. We have no firm evidence to think that its Janet arrived in 1848 other than a gut feeling. We now know that her parents were William Paul and her mother someone Fraser - from Janet's death certificate where her mother's first name is down as unknown. We know Archibald was a joiner - he later is listed as a builder and owned several properties in the Melbourne area which were heavily mortgaged and left very little to poor Janet after his death. Their grandson Rupert Cuthbert was a vocalist ("a fine baritone")/ vaudeville star who married a May Charlotte Dalhberg. They both went seeking fame and fortune to the USA where they appeared to have separated and May has taken up with Arthur Stanley Jefferson. She was his common law wife from 1917 to 1925 and apparently was the one to convince him to change his name to Stan Laurel of Laurel and Hardy fame! Fascinating stuff! Many thanks for your help again and hope the above makes sense. Kind regards Fiona Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.