Hi again Jocelyn Just reading through all this wonderful info you sent me. I didn't have the marriage of Sophia Starr she was the one who married Henry James COURSE. As you see quite a few of the family came to Australia and I have been trying to connect all the dots here between the 4 brothers Charles, Jacob, Thomas, James and their sister Mary who married a Henry (George) Sargeant in Victoria. The John Starr you found the death for in Temora/Liverpool is Charles and Maria (Goody) Starrs son, he donated his body to the university in Sydney (or one of the unis) and was buried about 12 months later. STARR Charles - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761 0299 STARR Martha - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761( probably the son of Reuben & Jessie ) Was this information from the NSW Archives office, I would like to follow up on this, I will look on Trove as well just in case it is there. Yes the Martha Starr you found with father's name John is Charles' daughter I have that birth certificate here and she did eventually marry Edward Doyle. So what is Martha doing pinching sheep at such a young age (Oh what a family) Must find old Charles probate as well, kindest regards and many thanks Dianna

Hi Dianna It seems you didn't get the message I sent this morning - aghhh- I spent quite a while on it as well- I wonder where it went..anyway.....to re-cap....( from memory) Charles who died 1860 - was a 14 day old baby born to James & Elizabeth STARR ( no relation)- I left a message on the Tree yesterday to let the owner know about the baby The brothers who went to Melbourne were also 'assisted migrants' which explains why they went there and at a different time to Charles ( Charles may have had to convince a few more people that he was worth the effort as well!!!)...assisted migrants were sort of 'chosen' by the benefactors usually. I think the Martha caught sheep stealing would be the mother Maria -it's a transcript from a film - I checked the papers and didn't see anything there, but if you can get to the NSW State Archives, you can order the film - maybe call them to find out - its probably why they moved to Temora..to get away from the shame maybe- also if Charles went to prison there should be a good description of him on the file - and possibly a photo Ancestry has a Tree with photos of John Cook MANSER and daughter Eliza and a couple of lovely stories- the family came out from Kent and were Methodists - Matilda's baptism is on LDS Familysearch - born 1825, Kent - her mother was Emma LAWRENCE b Sussex. Matilda's sister Eliza MANSER married a Stephen DEMPSEY, convict, who was killed in an accident and she re-married to Thomas CAGNEY Ann LOKER- you can find her birth etc on LDS - her parents were William LOKER ( 1789-1852 ) and Ellen nee PINK ( from another Tree on Ancestry ) who married Nov 1811 - Ellen died young and William re-married...her brother, Phillip Oxford Pink LOKER married at age 17, had children and he also emigrated to Victoria: Name: Phillip Looker Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Age: 29 Arrival Date: 4 Mar 1853 Arrival Port: Victoria, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Duke Of Richmond Nationality: English and Welsh Name: Phil Looker Death Place: Geelong, Victoria Age: 80 Father's Name: Wm Looker Registration Year: 1903 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 5833 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 There are some mentions for him in the papers as well:-))..you will find his Will and other relatives' on the PRO Vic site John STARR's parents were Thomas STARR & Elizabeth nee EVERETT b 1783. He had a sister Susan who married Nathan OAKMAN - she died 1907 in Foxton aged 86 - had a number of children Also - NSW and Victoria were separate colonies - so Charles' brothers may have still been in Victoria by late 1857 - Federation occurred 1901 .....:-)) Don't know if you scoured the newspapers for Jacob's sons death details - but Walter had married and had 2 sons ( Victor & Walter) - the families put in memorial notices for years. Very sad. Cheers Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dianna charles Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 11:51 AM To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Charles Star/Starr birth Hi again Jocelyn Just reading through all this wonderful info you sent me. I didn't have the marriage of Sophia Starr she was the one who married Henry James COURSE. As you see quite a few of the family came to Australia and I have been trying to connect all the dots here between the 4 brothers Charles, Jacob, Thomas, James and their sister Mary who married a Henry (George) Sargeant in Victoria. The John Starr you found the death for in Temora/Liverpool is Charles and Maria (Goody) Starrs son, he donated his body to the university in Sydney (or one of the unis) and was buried about 12 months later. STARR Charles - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761 0299 STARR Martha - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761( probably the son of Reuben & Jessie ) Was this information from the NSW Archives office, I would like to follow up on this, I will look on Trove as well just in case it is there. Yes the Martha Starr you found with father's name John is Charles' daughter I have that birth certificate here and she did eventually marry Edward Doyle. So what is Martha doing pinching sheep at such a young age (Oh what a family) Must find old Charles probate as well, kindest regards and many thanks Dianna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message