Jocelyn My email address is diamonddi57@optusnet.com.au so we can correspond off list. Kind regards Dianna

HI Jocelyn Strange things seem to be happening, my message I sent to Roots on the 11th has just popped up now in my inbox, wonder what's going on. Thanks for your help, it's very much appreciated. Dianna

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: trishoc1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10276.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm wonder if any relations of Robert and Janet know where they farmed at Framlingham? I would like to search the land files, but have no idea where they were, other than Framlingham. They are my g.g.grandparents. Would appreciate any information, thank you Trish Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lee_spinner Surnames: AH MOOK CHIN & VINCENT Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10981/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have their marriage details but seem to be unable to find any births or their deaths. Would someone be kind enough to look up please. From memory they may have moved interstate thus being the reason unable to find. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paulbertwistle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10980.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Jocelyn that was a big help,are you related to the Barnetts? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10980.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again I have finally found when they arrived: BARNETT, Mary Ellen Mrs Ship name Largs Bay Departure: Southampton Melbourne 10 Feb 1939 also with: BARNETT, Joseph Mr - retired BARNETT, Agnes Miss a Mill Hand BARNETT, Joseph Mstr -a scholar last adddress was 9 Haigh Street West Leigh, Lancashire Joseph & Mary Ellen had other children but they died very young George b 1910 - died 1911 Elizabeth b 1912 - died shortly after Alice A b1913 - died 1915 Annie b 1915 Agnes b 1919 - Joseph 1923 Elizabeth 1926 - died 1928 Also - a correction - Joseph BARNETT was born abt 1885 - it was John BARBER who was born abt 1870 - they say in 1911 they were born in Bolton Lancashire Cheers Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10980.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Marriages Jun 1910 BARBER Mary Ellen Leigh 8c 414 Barnett Joseph Leigh 8c 414 Joseph BARNETT who married Mary Ellen BARBER was a Coal hewer, born Bolton Lancashire 1870. he and Mary Ellen are living with the BARBER family in 1911 at 4 Haigh Street, Leigh. Name: Joseph Barnett Mother's Maiden Surname: Barber Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Registration district: Leigh Inferred County: Lancashire Volume Number: 8c Page Number: 417 Name: Mary Ellen Barnett Death Place: P Ville, Victoria Age: 57 Father's Name: John Garber Mother's Name: Eliz Wright Registration Year: 1950 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 6873 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 The parents marriage - there is a typo above: Marriages Mar 1893 Barber John Leigh 8c 308 Wright Elizabeth Leigh 8c 308 Name: Joseph Barnett Death Place: Malvern, Victoria Age: 74 Registration Year: 1959 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 2748 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Name: Mary Ellen Barnett Gender: Female Electoral Year: 1943 State: Victoria District: Melbourne Ports Subdistrict: South Melbourne with Joseph BARNETT, no Occ, Agnes BARNETT, a cleaner, and Ann Winifred BARNETT, a machinist at 405 Dorcas Street Name: Joseph John Barnett-French polisher Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1949 State: VICTORIA District: YARRA Subdistrict: RICHMOND at 79 Egan St - with Valda Isabella BARNETT Name: Joseph John Barnett Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1954 State: Victoria District: Burke Subdistrict: Brunswick West at 50 Ballarat St, a French Polisher, with Valda Isabella Father Joseph is at 24 Talbot Street,no occ .............. Name: Joseph Barnett Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1958 State: Victoria District: Higgins Subdistrict: Malvern East at 10 Brunel St - no occ ............... Name: Joseph John Barnett- French Polisher Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1963 State: Victoria District: Flinders Subdistrict: Carrum at 18 Glenbrook Ave - with Valda Name: Mary Ellen Barnett Gender: Female Electoral Year: 1949 State: Victoria District: Melbourne Ports Subdistrict: South Melbourne with Joseph BARNETT at 405 Dorcas Street-no occupation and Joseph John BARNETT, a polisher Name: Joseph John Barnett Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1972 State: Victoria District: Isaacs Subdistrict: Chelsea as above but now with Margaret Helen BARNETT, a Tailoress 1977 - as above but Margaret is not with them 1980 - as above This is probably Joseph's wife - found her in 1942: Name: Valda Isabelle McFarlane Gender: Female Electoral Year: 1942 State: Victoria District: Yarra Subdistrict: Richmond a Milliner with other family members at 79 Egan Street ( matches with Joseph & Valda in 1949 ) Hope this helps a bit - I had to do some background to get the correct Joseph BARNETT! Cheers Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Can someone please look up the marriage  of Dorothy Jane Findlay CHEYNE (b.1911) ? to BRYANT and her death (believed to have remarried) Father John CHEYNE Mother Phillipa Mary Ellen CARTER Helen

Victor Albert RILEY was born 1911 at Brunswick, the son of William Alfred RILEY and May EVA In 1936 he is a musician living with his parents at 18 Allan st, Brunswick In 1942 he is a musician living with Sylvia Claire RILEY (?? wife) at Bentleigh - then he disappears In 1942 his parents are still at 18 Allan st, Brunswick in 1949 they are at Northcote - then they disappear In 1949 Sylvia Claire is living at Brunswick There is a Sylvia Claire RILEY b.1914 d.2002 bd at Lilydale Cemetery Helen

Hi Dianna None of these messages are going to the board - it's a pity as others may have liked to have seen the posts....my email seems to have disappeared - will check my home computer later to see if I plain forgot to hit send ;-)) You have heaps of research to do ( especially as you now have some more LOKER/LOOKER info - if I can nail Thomas, I'll let you know - maybe you could get his death cert for clues Cheers Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dianna charles Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 3:11 PM To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Charles Star/Starr birth Hi Jocelyn Thanks so much for that, I've followed all the family in the newspapers and have so much detail on Jacob, James, etc, nothing on brother Thomas yet and have found now some of sister Mary's ancestors, she stayed in Victoria. The research made me so sad as so many of the Starr family were killed in the various wars mainly WW1, how awful. I'll be very interested to see what I can find on Charles with the whole sheep stealing business, and Maria too WHAT it will be interesting though. I don't know what is happening with the lists, a bit odd isn't it, so the message you put on the board which you thought I would see didn't come through??? Many thanks again kindest regards Dianna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jocelyn Thanks so much for that, I've followed all the family in the newspapers and have so much detail on Jacob, James, etc, nothing on brother Thomas yet and have found now some of sister Mary's ancestors, she stayed in Victoria. The research made me so sad as so many of the Starr family were killed in the various wars mainly WW1, how awful. I'll be very interested to see what I can find on Charles with the whole sheep stealing business, and Maria too WHAT it will be interesting though. I don't know what is happening with the lists, a bit odd isn't it, so the message you put on the board which you thought I would see didn't come through??? Many thanks again kindest regards Dianna

Sorry - my memory failed me a bit before - Matilda MANSER, b 1825 Kent - her parents were Thomas MANSER and Emma LAWRENCE- they arrived 1841 - the photo on Ancestry is of John Cook GOODA and it was Maria MANSER ( Matilda's sister ) who married the convict Stephen DEMPSEY. Matilda GOODA nee MANSER died November 1849 ...................................... >From a Tree on Ancestry: Eliza Gooda married Charles Bartier at St James Anglican Church, Pitt Town, N.S.W. They moved to Wallangra Station where Charles was a horse driver, labourer and carpenter. They also lived at Hickeys Plains. They then moved to Warialda where Eliza ran a hotel and Charles worked as a bridge builder. She was renowned for her knowledge of herbs. She was said to have treated some of the local bushrangers for gunshot wounds and consequently the hotel was safe from their attacks. She died at Warialda at the age of 46. The family left the hotel and the older girls kept house for their father while he continued his work building bridges ................................. Sorry about that - I am curious as to what happened to my time consuming research of this morning! You are welcome to email me directly as this should probably not be on the Vic List! Cheers Jocelyn

Hi Dianna It seems you didn't get the message I sent this morning - aghhh- I spent quite a while on it as well- I wonder where it went..anyway.....to re-cap....( from memory) Charles who died 1860 - was a 14 day old baby born to James & Elizabeth STARR ( no relation)- I left a message on the Tree yesterday to let the owner know about the baby The brothers who went to Melbourne were also 'assisted migrants' which explains why they went there and at a different time to Charles ( Charles may have had to convince a few more people that he was worth the effort as well!!!)...assisted migrants were sort of 'chosen' by the benefactors usually. I think the Martha caught sheep stealing would be the mother Maria -it's a transcript from a film - I checked the papers and didn't see anything there, but if you can get to the NSW State Archives, you can order the film - maybe call them to find out - its probably why they moved to Temora..to get away from the shame maybe- also if Charles went to prison there should be a good description of him on the file - and possibly a photo Ancestry has a Tree with photos of John Cook MANSER and daughter Eliza and a couple of lovely stories- the family came out from Kent and were Methodists - Matilda's baptism is on LDS Familysearch - born 1825, Kent - her mother was Emma LAWRENCE b Sussex. Matilda's sister Eliza MANSER married a Stephen DEMPSEY, convict, who was killed in an accident and she re-married to Thomas CAGNEY Ann LOKER- you can find her birth etc on LDS - her parents were William LOKER ( 1789-1852 ) and Ellen nee PINK ( from another Tree on Ancestry ) who married Nov 1811 - Ellen died young and William re-married...her brother, Phillip Oxford Pink LOKER married at age 17, had children and he also emigrated to Victoria: Name: Phillip Looker Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Age: 29 Arrival Date: 4 Mar 1853 Arrival Port: Victoria, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Duke Of Richmond Nationality: English and Welsh Name: Phil Looker Death Place: Geelong, Victoria Age: 80 Father's Name: Wm Looker Registration Year: 1903 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 5833 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 There are some mentions for him in the papers as well:-))..you will find his Will and other relatives' on the PRO Vic site John STARR's parents were Thomas STARR & Elizabeth nee EVERETT b 1783. He had a sister Susan who married Nathan OAKMAN - she died 1907 in Foxton aged 86 - had a number of children Also - NSW and Victoria were separate colonies - so Charles' brothers may have still been in Victoria by late 1857 - Federation occurred 1901 .....:-)) Don't know if you scoured the newspapers for Jacob's sons death details - but Walter had married and had 2 sons ( Victor & Walter) - the families put in memorial notices for years. Very sad. Cheers Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dianna charles Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012 11:51 AM To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Charles Star/Starr birth Hi again Jocelyn Just reading through all this wonderful info you sent me. I didn't have the marriage of Sophia Starr she was the one who married Henry James COURSE. As you see quite a few of the family came to Australia and I have been trying to connect all the dots here between the 4 brothers Charles, Jacob, Thomas, James and their sister Mary who married a Henry (George) Sargeant in Victoria. The John Starr you found the death for in Temora/Liverpool is Charles and Maria (Goody) Starrs son, he donated his body to the university in Sydney (or one of the unis) and was buried about 12 months later. STARR Charles - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761 0299 STARR Martha - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761( probably the son of Reuben & Jessie ) Was this information from the NSW Archives office, I would like to follow up on this, I will look on Trove as well just in case it is there. Yes the Martha Starr you found with father's name John is Charles' daughter I have that birth certificate here and she did eventually marry Edward Doyle. So what is Martha doing pinching sheep at such a young age (Oh what a family) Must find old Charles probate as well, kindest regards and many thanks Dianna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Jocelyn Just reading through all this wonderful info you sent me. I didn't have the marriage of Sophia Starr she was the one who married Henry James COURSE. As you see quite a few of the family came to Australia and I have been trying to connect all the dots here between the 4 brothers Charles, Jacob, Thomas, James and their sister Mary who married a Henry (George) Sargeant in Victoria. The John Starr you found the death for in Temora/Liverpool is Charles and Maria (Goody) Starrs son, he donated his body to the university in Sydney (or one of the unis) and was buried about 12 months later. STARR Charles - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761 0299 STARR Martha - Wagga Wagga 29 May 1878 Sheep stealing Wagga Wagga 017 NRS 849 7 2760 & 2761( probably the son of Reuben & Jessie ) Was this information from the NSW Archives office, I would like to follow up on this, I will look on Trove as well just in case it is there. Yes the Martha Starr you found with father's name John is Charles' daughter I have that birth certificate here and she did eventually marry Edward Doyle. So what is Martha doing pinching sheep at such a young age (Oh what a family) Must find old Charles probate as well, kindest regards and many thanks Dianna

HI Jocelyn Thanks, no I did not receive the message!!! I also posted a message on Rootsweb and it has not appeared from yesterday morning!! Okay so now I have to remember also what's been said (Oh Dear) Charles Starr died in 1860 (Where in Oz or UK) Mine died here in Temora NSW in 1897. This is a confusing one, Charles' marriage certificate has really thrown me off. Thanks for that Dianna

Hi Dianna I sent an email to the list this morning but it hasn't appeared yet....did you happen to receive it? Let me know, and I'll re-post if necessary ( and try to remember it all)- the important bit was the charles STARR who died 1860 - he was a 14 day old baby born to James & Elizabeth STARR, so not your man at all- I posted a message to the Tree on Ancestry yesterday to let them know Cheers Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dianna charles Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 5:33 PM To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Charles Star/Starr birth HI Jocelyn Thanks so much for all of that, I cannot make head nor tail of this marriage certificate, I've never seen anything so confusing. There was a bit of confusion on the shipping record for the Charles Starr who arrived in NSW in 1857, it stated that he came from Foxton Kent, there is a Folkestone in Kent, but Foxton is in Cambridge. I was just told that someone found a tree on ancesty and they saw that a Charles Starr died in England and the parents were John Star and Ann Loker, so if he died in England, I must have a different one here. Just doesn't add up. All the information you have collated is correct for the Starr brothers and sister that came to Australia. Also the immigration papers said that Charles did not have any relatives in the colony this was at the end of 1857, the other supposed siblings arrived early in 1857 unless they were not speaking to each other or didn't know each others plans. Now I will try and find a Charles Starr born to a John Star and Mary or Ann Wright. And it was him doing the sheep stealing for heavens sake this collates with all the information I have for them living in the area of Temora, Sebastopol, Bagdad. Thanks so much for taking the effort and time to reply it is very much appreciated. Kindest regards Dianna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: V5X4J45439 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/9480.12/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your kind offer - I've recently been looking at another family and will get back to you on this with more detail - the death is in the 1980's but before 1985? Mgt in Akld NZ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gazzaphillips Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10979.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Jocelyn & Anne - great info - just what I needed. Gary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paulbertwistle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10980/mb.ashx Message Board Post: does anyone know anything about Joseph Barnett born 3/9/1923 in Leigh England he later came to Australia he inlisted into the army at Watsonia Victoria if anyone knows of him please contact me,thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10979.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thats great Anne - just goes to show some of the Electoral Rolls are not accurate - Annie is shown still with her maiden name in 1936- I guess she never got around to changing her registration for a few years! Cheers Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.