This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_randam Surnames: Williams, Ashby Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11017.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply to my query. Unfortunately I do not know where Foster Spencer Williams is buried. Annie Margaret Ashby is buried at the Kew Cemetery in Melbourne, single internment. I am currently investigating the other Williams family in St. Kilda to see if they are connected. Annie Ashby's death certificate states she died in Jervois Street, St. Kilda, the same street the other Williams family lived. Henry E. Williams appears to be the same person as Henry Gordon Williams. Henry was a photographer which is stated on his war records, Claude's will and in the Electoral Roll. I believe Amelia Gordon Williams is Henry's mother not sister. The war pension in Henry's war records lists Amelia as his mother although all other documentation says sister. I have traced Amelia's parents to Robert Williams and Margaret Gordon. Their children were Annie Baker Williams born 1861 St. Kilda, Reg. No. 1532. Amelia Ellen (Helen) Gordon Williams born 1863 Port, Victoria, Reg No. 1607. I found the death certificate of a Robert Baker Williams who died in 1919 St. Kilda, Victoria aged 54. Reg. No. 15078. His parents are listed as Robert Baker Williams and Margaret Gordon. Estimated birth year to be 1865. Electoral rolls in 1903 lists an Amelia Williams and two Robert Baker Williams', one a gardener and one a machinist, as living in 39 Jervois Street, St. Kilda. In the 1909 Electoral Roll only Amelia Williams and Henry Williams live at 39 Jervois Street, St. Kilda. In the 1914 Electoral Roll, Amelia Williams is listed as Amelia Helen Gordon Williams and Henry Williams as Henry Gordon Williams, 39 Jervois Street, St. Kilda. Claude Spencer Williams is my Great Uncle. His birth certificate has his name as Claude Spencer Ashby, illegitimate and I'm assuming he took on the name of Williams later in life. All the children of Annie Ashby have either father unknown or illegitimate on their birth certificates. I do know from my Grandmother Elsie Marie Williams (Claude's sister), that Foster Spencer Williams was considered their father. In 1903 Foster Williams lived at 38 Camden Street, St. Kilda and in 1909 lived at 4 Camden Street, St. Kilda. So although we find records with his residential addresses and signatures on Claude's war documents, I can find no trace of him either by a birth certificate or death certificate and Annie's death certificate states she was unmarried. I'm wondering if Foster Spencer Williams was known by another name? He is a mystery. I hope the above information might give some clarification. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pwh63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10180.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am descended directly from Elizabeth Hart, Johns sister.Her parents were Lazarus and Rachel Hart. Are you aware of the Hart connections in America or the connection to the Rintel families of England or the Cohens who came from England to the Port Macquarie in northern NSW ? I have 105 pages of the Hart family line, plus more thati have discovered. Which part of the Hart family does your husband come from ?. regards Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fryerning Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11017.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What is your reference please for Foster Spencer WILLIAMS died 1923...do you know where he is buried?. Another Williams family in St Kilda, comnected to yours? Claude Spencer WILLIAMS enlisted 13 Jan Howitzer Brigade 23, battery 107 embarked "Medic" 20 May 1916. Also - Henry Gordon WILLIAMS enlisted 17 Jan 1916 Howitzer Brigade 23, battery 107 embarked "Medic" 20 May 1916. Henry Gordon WILLIAMS is KIA 11 Oct 1917 NOK Amelia Gordon WILLIAMS 39 Jervois St East St Kilda Henry is photographer,34 1/12 at March 1917, so b. ~ Feb 1883. Allotment directed to sister Amelia Gordon WILLIAMS. Argus 8 Nov 1917 death Henry Gordon WILLIAMS 39 Jervois St East St Kilda ....WA papers please copy. On WWW1 record for Claude Spencer WILLIAMS page 34/51 has F S Williams 44 Greeve St also, page 42/51 his will is witnessed by solicitor, and Henry E WILLIAMS, 30 Jervois St East St Kilda. These PEOPLE would seem to be related Williams family and might help to expand on origins of Foster Spencer WILLIAMS. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: corahlf Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Do you require any assistance with the adoptive parents? Leanne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jenniferl331 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks everyone for your help! You are all awesome :) Surname is Ramsay, not Ramsey, adoptive father's name is Victor Hutchinson, wife Hazel Regards Jennifer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: corahlf Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Are you able to post the adoptive fathers name so we can view his service record please? Leanne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pwh63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10180.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bobbie. I think you will see the username Rockyboy on that thread. That happens to be me. If you look on Rootschat you will find a lot of my threads on the Hartline under the user name PWH. Do a Google search on Rintels in Wastern Australia. That should bring up the Rottschat thread. you will find that fascinating and very informative. Regards Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pwh63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10180.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bobbie. I think you will see the username Rockyboy on that thread. That happens to be me. If you look on Rootschat you will find a lot of my threads on the Hartline under the user name PWH. Do a Google search on Rintels in Wastern Australia. That should bring up the Rottschat thread. you will find that fascinating and very informative. Regards Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just to clarify: Kathleen RAMSEY, b abt 1923 Geelong her daughter: Patricia Elizabeth RAMSEY b 1942 Crown St Sydney NSW, adopted by HUTCHINSON, her name changed to KATHLEEN HUTCHINSON Here are 2 marriages in Sydney: 11586/1952 LUSTED PETER ALAN RAMSEY KATHLEEN BABARA HURSTVILLE 17931/1955 EVANS RONALD JAMES RAMSEY RUTH KATHLEEN SUTHERLAND I found Ruth & Ron in 1958 - he was a cabinet maker, but there is no record at all for Peter and Kathleen LUSTED in Australia I found a possibility in the Uk via www.192.com Peter Alan Lusted Ipswich, Suffolk, IP6 Full Address ithers living at same address: ( could be flatmates perhaps though) William George Hinshelwood Lyn Mary Goleby Dianne M Lusted 2002 Peter and Dianne ( also LUSTED) married : LUSTED Dianne M Gipping Suffolk 1974 Oct-Nov-Dec I have tried looking for a marriage for LUSTED to a Dianne, but nothing is showing up, and I have not found a birth for a Dianne M LUSTED in the UK....so its possible that Dianne M LUSTED is Peter's sister-in-law ( making a few assumptions here) I have found no death or re-marriage for Kathleen Ruth....however, please don't get too excited about the above - the information above is what I have gleaned from online sources that may fit - you would need to get the marriage cert, for example, of Peter Alan LUSTED to prove anything, and it still may not prove he was married to your grandmother, as the first assumption might be incorrect ( i.e the NSW marriage ) regards Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pwh63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10180.2.1.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bobbie; I live in Queensland. I was the fornunate recipient of 105 pages of the Hart line and a host a number of related family branches. Since then i have been expanding that knowledge. Are you aware of your connection to the Cohen family of Tasmania and NSW. That came about through the marriage of John Harts neice Mary to Joseph Cohen in Sydney on 2/10/1850. I have only started putting the family tree on Ancestry, but if you try http://hart1700.tribalpages.com/family-tree/hart, there are some 700 names. But if i could have your email address i could send you the the 105 pages i was given. If you want information on Johns first wife Isabella Behilah Levy, go into the Public Members Trees, put in John Hart and look for the Boyle family tree. You will find it fascinating. Happy Hunting Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

As the mother of adopted children, I know it is possible under the Freedom of Information Act to apply for the original birth certifcate which would have named your Mum's natural mother. Although my children have birth certificates naming my husband and me as their parents, the Registrar of Births Deaths and Marriages would be able to supply the ORIGINAL certiffcate to you in lieu of to your mother, given that she is deceased. And under the same Act the hospital would have to provide you with post and pre natal reports which would also name the birth mother. We did these things when my son wanted to obtain information about his birth mother. Hoping this will assist you. But in seeking details of your Mum's birth mother, who could be and probably is still alive, you must be mindful of respecting her privacy if you intend to attempt to contact her. I have been able to supply my son with his ancestral information relating to his birth family, and we have even obtained birth death and marriage certificates. The death certificates are particularly useful because they often provide information of possible genetic health problems. We discovered he had younger half-brothers, and made the mistake of contacting one, who had no knowledge of his existence, challenged his mother about him, and many tears were shed by her and them when she had no choice but to admit the truth of my son's birth and adoption. So think careful about possible consequences before you go ahead. Good luck. Val

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RoyJosephmaxwell72 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10954.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Iam descended from the Maxwell Family of Fore, Co. Westmeath. Ireland. My G.G.Grandafther was: Edward Maxwell Living at Ben, Fore West, Co. Westmeath. in 1851 His Son: My G. Grandfather Bartholomew Maxwell born circa 1843 & his Wife: Rose Gibney born circa 1848 at Drumone, Parish of Moylough or Moylagh, Oldcastle, Co, Meath. Their Son: My Grandfather Joseph Maxwell born circa 1881 Married Beatrice Briody born circa 1896 in Boston U.S.A.My Father: Bartholomew Maxwell Born 1917 at Annagh, Oldcastle, Co. Meath. Ireland.Married: Elizabeth ( Lucy ) Grogan of: Tiermohan,Kilcock, Co. Kildare. Roy Jos. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lesleyaa Surnames: Treacy/Tracey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10790.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My family are Treacy/Tracey/Tracy from the Eganstown area. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_randam Surnames: Williams, Ashby Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11017/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find information about my Great Grandfather Foster Spencer Williams and Great Grandmother Annie Margaret Ashby. Foster died in Melbourne in 1923 and his partner Annie Margaret Ashby, died in Jervois St. St. Kilda, Victoria in 1901 from breast and lung cancer. There were six children Ivy May, Elsie Marie (my grandmother), Claude Spencer (died just after World War 1 in France from influenza, Linda Alice, Constance and Robert Leslie. The children take the surname Ashby on their birth certificates but later took the name Williams. It does not appear that Foster and Annie were married. I can't find a birth certificate or death certificate for Foster Spencer Williams although he is in the Electoral Roll in 1903 as living at 38 Camden Street, St. Kilda and in 1909 as living at 4 Camden Street, St. Kilda, Victoria. He may also have lived at 44 Greeves Street, St. Kilda as some of the children lived there in later years. Foster Williams was reputed to be a gold buyer and on occasion travelled to Kalgoorlie, Western Australia for that purpose. His employment in the Electoral Roll is listed as a Traveller and/or Commercial Traveller. Annie Ashby was born in Port Fairy, Victoria to a William Ashby and Catherine White, Catherine having immigrated from Bray in Ireland. Any information about Foster Spencer Williams and Annie Margaret Ashby would be much appreciated, Foster in particular as I can't find a birth or death certificate. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jenniferl331 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Alsion, Mum's name was actually Kathleen, I assume her adoptive parents named her after her birth mother :) The adoptive family's name was Hutchinson Regards Jennifer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alisonwilliams2763 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: OK I thought Kathleen was your Mum :) I'll have a look and see what I can come up with :) Regards Alison Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10190.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have had a bit of a look but there are a few possibilities - what else can you tell us about Leslie? approx birth? parents? how was he related to your father?( eg mother or father ?) birth place, occupation......if you can send some ideas of the above, I'll have another look Cheers Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jenniferl331 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Alison She found out when she searched for her father's WW2 records, it was noted on there that he had an adopted daughter. She was born at Crown st women's hospital in 1942. The birth records were destroyed in a fire apparently, so the only information I have is from DOC's which is that the birth mother's name was Kathleen Ramsay and that she was 19 years old at the time of the birth, and she was born in Geelong. Mum's birth name was Patricia Elizabeth Ramsay. Regards Jennifer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alisonwilliams2763 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jennifer, Because she has died we can talk :) Where and when was she born any idea - or what did she say ? How did you find out she was adopted ? Regards Alison Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jenniferl331 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11015.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Alison I am searching for details of my mother's birth mother, Mum passed away 2 years ago and only found out she was adopted 6 months before her death. My email address is jenniferl_33@hotmail.com if you would prefer to email me? Thanks Jennifer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.