This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: topaz00511 Surnames: Dudley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jocelyn, Thank you so much. It is getting more and more interesting as we go along. You have given me a lot to keep me busy. I am very grateful for your help. Grace made herself out to be 7 years older on the 1891 census. I wonder if it really was her. One of Walter Dudley's brother's, Carr Dudley born 1823, emigrated to Australia too, i.e. arrived Feb 1854 on board the Java and seems to have married a Delia Anne, daughter of Captain James Ollard, from Limehouse, London on 13th Nov., 1856. I did not know that there is a Camberwell in Melbourne too. Thank you for the info. Best regards, Sue Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: topaz00511 Surnames: Dudley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jocelyn, Thank you so much. It is getting more and more interesting as we go along. You have given me a lot to keep me very busy. I am very grateful for your help. Grace made herself out to be 7 years older on the 1891 census. I wonder if it really was her. One of Walter Dudley's brother's, Carr Dudley born 1823, emigrated to Australia too, i.e. arrived Feb 1854 on board the Java and seems to have married a Delia Anne, daughter of Captain James Ollard, from Limehouse, London on 13th Nov., 1856. I did not know that there is a Camberwell in Melbourne too. Thank you for the info. Best regards, Sue Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a wonderful Obit for Maurice de Lacy DUDLEY - 1935..don't know if you have had time to check him out properly, but he was also a radio announcer - his wife Mabel was also an actress Its worth looking up the Will of Kathleen CROKER who died 1914 in Victoria- mentions the Dudley relatives Kathleen CROKER is mentioned in Elizabeth PIERSE's Will of 1893 as a daughter.... and as result of this re-reading of Wills, I have been able to follow Mabel Marion DUDLEY....who had married Maurice De Lacey DUDLEY 1903 Name: Mabel Marion Dudley Gender: Female Electoral Year: 1903 State: Victoria District: Kooyong Subdistrict: Kew Living 44 Sterling St, Kew- occ: ARTIST! Then Name: Mabel Marion Dudley Spouse Name: Charles Richard Dyson Marriage Date: 1937 Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Albury, New South Wales Registration Year: 1937 Registration Number: 22784 Living 20 Queen Street- Charles is a Traveller, Mabel, Home duties he had been married before...see in Electoral rolls..and born 1870, so ages work! he died 1953: 1953 16 Apr Burial Springvale Crematorium, Victoria, Australia and Mabel died 1951: SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY DYSON MABEL MARION THE CREMATED REMAINS HAVE BEEN COLLECTED CREMATED 17/08/1951 Name: Maie Marion Dyson Death Place: Mount Park, Victoria Age: 75 Father's Name: John Geo Masters Mother's Name: Amelia Pierse Registration Year: 1951 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 10939 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Then after that I found a Tree on Ancestry! Birth: 1874 - Australia Marriage: 30 Mar 1903 - Kew, Victoria, Australia Death: 1951 - Kew, Victoria, Australia Parents: John George Masters, Amelia Minnie Pierse Spouse: Maurice De Lacy Dudley Kathleen CROKER details: 1841 Dec Birth Whitechapel, London, england 1866 26 Dec Age: 25 Marriage to John James Croker Auckland, New Zealand Episcopalian Church Otahuhu 1914 2 Apr Age: 72 Death St Kilda They had one daughter in NZ who died as an infant: 1867/18137 Croker Mary Kathleen John James actually the CROKER Tree is interesting as it shows the PIERSE daughters moved about - Kathleen to NZ and another married in Tasmania...Florence Joanna P to MCLEOD - her Will is also online -1911 - good clues there as well Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kellihogan1 Surnames: Gilder O'Brien Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11045/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I'm trying to find information of when, and where, my grandfather changed his name. He was born Arthur John Gilder 29 October 1921 in Queensland and at some point assumed the name Arthur John O'Brien. I know he was still using Gilder when he married in NSW in 1942. He had changed to O'Brien by 1954, but I don't know how long prior to this he changed. His children were born as O'Brien in Victoria from this date. I am in regional WA so not able to get to any BDM offices in QLD, NSW or VIC to research this any further. Can anybody give me any advice on what the next logical step would be? Thanks, Kelli Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ebrowne2006 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/8592.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Noel Doyle, I was married to a descendant of Henry Kingdom,who married Mary Anne Doyle,b. 2-9-1870, in the home of her father,William John Doyle and his wife- Amelia Ann Cappell at Rocky River, on 7/4/1888 . Manyin this huge famiy are researching them, and I have very little documentation about them so far- except what I have gleaned from the various family trees on-line. If you would like to correspond with me about them, I would suggest e-mail, as easier to use. My e-mail address is;- ebrowne@optusnet.com.au. I have traced the Kingdoms back to a george Kingdom who came to Aust. as a convict exile in 1849., but am just starting on the Doyle side of this family. i would love to hear from yu - especially if you have any documentation about the Doyles. Regards Eva Browne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rooboy200 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10971.5.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jenny I have quite a bit of data in relation to your nan. I have her marriage death & birth entry if you are interested. Also have newspaper cutting Western Australia for John Phillip Cutts joining the army WW1. A letter from your mother to the army on behalf of your nan concerning a war medal for John Cutts. Also data in realtion to Lima or Luna or Linda Cutts half sister to your mother. If you like anything of these let me know. Kind regards Brian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I found Grace Edith DUDLEY n 1877 Melbourne, married Charles Cameron Leslie CHERRY in 1898 Strand London - both were actors. They went to NY in 1904- he had been there before in 1899. Charles died 1931 in Sussex and left just over 220 quid to his sister Gladys who had married George O Pringle in 1928 ( no chdn)..probate on Ancestry.com interesting wedding announcement: The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931) Monday 21 March 1898 .. One of the most interesting Anglo-colonial news items of a verv dull week is that concern ing the marriage of Miss Grace Dudley to Mr. Charles Cherry, son of Lady Emily Cherry and grandson of the late Countess of Rothes. The marriage was quietly solemnised on Saturday at one of the Strand churches. The bride groom, by the way, is one of the profession and is playing a small part in 'A Bachelor's Romance/' at the Globe Theatre. It appears Grace and an E DUDLEY sailed to Sydney NSW in 1894 ( possibly) Name: Grace Dudley Age: 21 Birth Year: abt 1877 Event Date: 2 Feb 1898 Parish: Bloomsbury, St George County: Middlesex Spouse's Name: Charles Cameron Leslie Cherry Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse's Parish: St Clement Danes Spouse's County: Middlesex Event Type: Allegation Name: Grace E Cherry Arrival Date: 14 Aug 1904 Birth Year: abt 1880 Age: 24 Gender: Female Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: English Port of departure: Liverpool, England Port of arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Cedric Also, I found Grace in 1891 in Brighton Sussex...with Cyrus WADDILOVE and family: DUDLEY, Sophia F Widow F 38 1853 Chaperon ? DUDLEY, Grace Single F 21 1870 Melbourne Municipal Borough: Brighton Address: 37, Regency Square, Brighton County: Sussex Sophia was Sophie Frederikke , b 1853, Copenhagen, who had been married Alfred DUDLEY - they were in Devon in 1881 so there is another twist for you! and Name: Grace Edith Cherry Arrival Date: 1 Nov 1911 Birth Year: abt 1881 Birth Location: Australia Birth Location Other: melbourne Age: 30 Gender: Female Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: English Port of departure: Southampton, England Port of arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Kronprinz Wilhelm she is an 'Artist' travelling on her own to NY- address of nearest relative or friend ? C F ? JOHNSTONE 2a Whitehall Court London ALSO: Name: Charles Cherry - Actor Arrival Date: 18 Nov 1907 Birth Year: abt 1872 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: london Age: 35 Years 5 Months Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: English Port of departure: Southampton, England Port of arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Kaiser Wilhelm II travelled with Felix EDWARDES Actor. Charles gave nearest relative as W ( or MRS) CHERRY , 18 Victoria Court London..said he was single! Felix said he was married Name: Charles Cherry Arrival Date: 25 Aug 1911 Birth Year: abt 1872 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Greenwich Age: 39 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: English Port of departure: London Port of arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Minnewaska Gave nearest relative/friend as Lady Emily ??prob CHERRY 87 Victoria St SW Name: Charles Cherry Arrival Date: 13 Sep 1913 Birth Year: abt 1873 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Greenwich Age: 40 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: English Port of departure: Liverpool, England Port of arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Celtic Single, actor, gave address as 87 Victoria Ct, Mrs ???? can't read name!something like Mrs Halingy In 1909 he gave relative as Grace E CHERRY of Kensington Name: Charles Cherry Arrival Date: 22 May 1931 Birth Year: abt 1873 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Greenwich Age: 58 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: English Port of departure: Southampton, England Port of arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Aquitania Occ - Actor...said he was single 1881: CHERRY, James Fredk Clerk Head Married M 40 1841 Civil Service (Off) Burghfield, Berkshire CHERRY, Emily Louisa F 37 1844 Wife Of Clerk South?, Devon CHERRY, Miriam Emily F 8 1873 Scholar London, CHERRY, Charles Cameron Lexie M 1874 Scholar Greenwich, Kent Address: Royal Naval College, Greenwich, Greenwich Miriam Emily married Herbert Owen TAYLOR ( med Pract. 1901 - one son, Leslie Herbert Owen-Taylor, 2 daughters. Miriam died 1954..living Nottinghamshire 1911. The mother died 1936 - Probate was granted to Gladys PRINGLE wife of George Octavius Shaw PRINGLE.... Gladys CHERRY b 1881 who married PRINGLE - survived the Titanic disaster! Name: Miss Gladys Cherry Born: Saturday 27th August 1881 Age: 30 years Last Residence: in London London England Occupation: Of Independent Means 1st Class passenger First Embarked: Southampton on Wednesday 10th April 1912 Ticket No. 110152 , £86 10s Cabin No.: B77 Rescued (boat 8) Disembarked Carpathia: New York City on Thursday 18th April 1912 Died: Tuesday 4th May 1965 Cause of Death: Heart Failure / Disease marvellous article here with photo and letter: http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/gladys-cherry.html also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Cherry You can google quite a bit in these families 3 photos of Charles CHERRY on Ebay! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1916-Charles-Cherry-actor-3-photos-Passers-By-Silent-Film-Moffett-FROHMAN-/170830078437 and http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Actor-CHARLES-CHERRY-hand-signed-card-/390478708728 also google Grace Dudley actress...there is a bit for her too! Quite a lot of mentions in the British papers, but don't knwo what happened to Grace in the 1900's and in the Aust papers..eg: 1898 Miss Grace Dudley, a Melbourne actress, who has been acknowledged to be the most charming Cinderella of the last London pan- tomime season, hue a part in Brandon Thomas's new play in three acts; " No. 22a Curzon-street, Mayfair," at the Garrick Theatre, London. BTW, the ref to ' formerly of Camberwell' related to Camberwell MELBOURNE- not London :-)) More tomorrow if I get a chance Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Philippa58 Surnames: James Doyle Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/8592.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Noel As you will know James married Margaret Field/s in 1848 in Victoria. I don't know if you have the following information but it should go to a descendant just in case you don't have it. If there are any errors please let me know. In will be included in a publication on NSW Publicans. Cheers Philippa Biographical notes: Margaret's death notice records that she was born about 1829 at Newtownbarry, Co Wexford, Ireland. In 1848 she married James Doyle in Victoria. Six children were born to this couple. In the 1856 Victorian Electoral Roll James held the freehold of the Ingleston Arms Hotel, Ballan, Victoria. James died in 1882 at Williamstown, Victoria. By 1883 Margaret held the licence of the Lower Tarcutta Hotel and then in 1885 the licence of the Tarcutta Hotel. In 1887 Margaret married Daniel John Aviss at Wagga Wagga. Daniel held the licence of the Tarcutta Hotel in 1887. By 1889 he had returned to Melbourne where he was charged with assault and sentenced to six months in gaol. He appeared before the courts in 1892 and again in 1902. Margaret died at Mont Albert in 1915. Her surname in her death notices was recorded as Doyle-Aviss. Daniel died at Harrow, Victoria in 1917. 1915 DOYLE-AVISS-On the 26th March, at her residence "Avoca," Wolseley street, Mont Albert, Margaret Isabella, dearly beloved mother of A. L. Doyle, Perth, W. Australia; Hon H. M. Doyle, M.D., M.L.A., Newcastle, N.S. Wales; Mrs. D. M. Follett, Mont Albert: and loved grandmother of Daisy, James and Lily Crozier, late of St. Kilda, aged 86 years. A colonist of 74 years. DOYLE-AVISS-On the 26th March, at her residence, "Avoca." Wolseley street, Mont Albert, Margaret Isabella Doyle-Aviss, relict of the late James Doyle, late of Ballan, Victoria, and of Tombrie, Newtownbarry, in the County of Wexford, in her 86th year; a colonist for 74 years. James and Margaret had at least six children all born in Victoria. Elisha Charlotte (1851- ?) James Thomas (c1854-1856) Aiden Lewis (1858-?) married Catherine Mary Cole Henry Martin Doyle (c1859-1929) Margaret Isabella (1864-1871) Catherine (?- 1919) married 1. Charles Crozier 2. Donald W Follett Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: noeldoyle07 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/8592.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Philippa Thank you for your message. James Doyle died in 1882 aged 84. We haven't been able to find any obituary for him or even where he is buried. I have some more information about his time in the various hotels he ran in Australia and details of his family in Ireland. I would very happy to compare any information that you may have with what I know. Noel Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: topaz00511 Surnames: Dudley Pierse Love Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jocelyn, Thank you for that link. I am sure I will really enjoy reading the old papers. Mary Ann Love may have been working in Chard for a John Knight and his family in 1841. In 1861 she may have been working in Bridport, Allington, Dorset, but after that I don't know for sure. There was a Mary Love in Islington, London, but the place of birth is wrong. It is interesting to see (from Elizabeth Pierse's will) that Marion O'Brien Dudley was in Peckham Rye, Camberwell, London in 1893. Lilla (surname now Aplin) and her family were not far from there at the time. Thanks once again, Regards, Sue Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sue Elizabeth PIERSE married John WHITEMAN 1854- she died 1874 of Rheumatic fever and Sydncope aged 40. JW was a real mover and shaker You will have a LOT of fun searching the old papers...here is the link - start by typing in the name in 'the phrase'..then narrow your search by dates - eg 1850 to 1903....you can also use the 'without these words' etc...then click on ' Family Notices at the left..there are other categories which are also interesting but the family ones are the goodies http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y also remember to also search by just initial and last name..eg W DUDLEY... why not use Ancestry to search ? even if you don't have a sub you can still see the indexes..just put ' Victoria Australia' as location or you will end up with half the USA! You can order certificates etc here: http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/Family history-Search family history?OpenDocument&1=60-Family history~&2=10-Search family history~&3=~ Cheers Jocelyn I will keep looking tomorrow if I get a chance Cheers Jocelyn I am curious to find Mary Anne LOVE in 1841 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jenny070162 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/10971.5.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Brian They are fantastic letters...thank you. The letters we have are handwritten and I'm sure they are from her then husband cutts not Nicholls ...but maybe I'm wrong. I'll find out where my youngest brother has put them because at one time about 6 years ago we offered them to the curator at the Australian war memorial in Canberra but he said to hang onto them as they have lots of letters. I'm not sure what nan would have been doing at Surry hills....so many mysteries. Cheers Jenny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: topaz00511 Surnames: Dudley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jocelyn, Thank you so much. Where did you manage to find all of that? I only managed to find the article about Alice Marian Dudley on the National Australian Library website. I am not sure how to go about finding Australian records etc. Is there something like the FreeBMD for Australia? Where and how can one order certificates in Australia? Walter Dudley and Mary Ann Love had a daughter together born October 1852. They did not marry, and obviously he left for Australia shortly after her birth. This daughter was my great great grandmother. I have her marriage certificate, in which she stated the name of her father. He was from Shadwell, not Camberwell. His elder brother Samuel was a meat salesman in London, and did well for himself, so it makes sense that Walter went into the same line of business. Before he went to Australia, he called himself a 'gentleman'(see 1851 census and daughter's MC). No idea why. If I understand correctly, his first wife, Elizabeth Bedwell, was the sister of his second? Maybe she had been married before therefore the surname Bedwell? You are correct, the 1861 census shows Mary Lilla together with a William Love born 1845, and Anna Love, aged about 60. However in the meantime I have done some research and found out that Anna Love was Lilla's grandmother, not her mother. William was her uncle. Well, I have quite a lot to look into now. Very interesting. Many thanks indeed. Regards, Sue Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again I have just checked out a bit more from your Tree- and I can see what happened now. Mary Anne LOVE also had a son William LOVE b 1845 in Chardstock Dorset This is his marriage: Marriages Jun 1871 Love William Chard 5c 741 Denzilow Charlotte Chard 5c 741 By 1881, they had 4 children: Samuel, Anna, John & Charlotte living: County/Island: Dorset Country: England Street Address: Lower Wambrook William died early 1886, but Charlotte had a son James Love LOVE born early 1888! Found Charlotte, sons Wm & James in 1901 ( still looking for 1891 ) Dau Charlotte is a servant in 1911 over in Hampshire - says born Wambrook Somerset There is more info, but thought I would send this along Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jocelyn1411 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11044.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I found him in 1856: Name: Walter Dudley Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1856 State: Victoria District: South Bourke Subdistrict: Templestowe living Upper Hawthorne - a butcher I found your Tree on Ancestry....I presume you are thinking he wasn't married to Mary Anne LOVE and the daughter Maria Lilla is not his? Also found this in the papers: North Melbourne Advertiser Friday 28 April 1876 Walter Dudley v William Cullen, goods, LI Os. Verdict for amount, with 234. Gd. costs. another court case here: South Bourke Standard (Vic. : 1861 - 1873) Friday 2 August 1861 I found the article about Alice Marian DUDLEY - the Walter here is referred to as a tradesman rather than a butcher or meat salesman...but then again maybe he was a tradesman for a while due to his bankruptcy He was in partnership with Alexander Edward BUTLER' butchers and publicans' which was dissolved 1858 he was a slaughterman in 1859 - big court case then Walter was,sadly, insolvent by 1863- a butcher, formerly of Camberwell he advertised a shop to let at the Hotham Meat Markets in 1868 a Mrs Walter DUDLEY is advertising rooms in the Brittania Hotel in 1878.....if she is the wife, then here is a son: Name: Maurice De Lacy Dudley Father's Name: Walter Dudley Mother's Name: Marion Obrien Pierse Birth Place: Emerald Hill, Victoria Registration Year: 1873 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 2426 and a daughter Name: Grace Edith Dudley Father's Name: Walter Dudley Mother's Name: Marion Pierse Birth Place: Hotham, Victoria Registration Year: 1877 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 22952 The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Tuesday 11 September 1877 DUDLEY. -On the 7th inst, at 56 Peel street, Hotham, Mrs. W Dudley of a daughter so now I know we are on the right track! death: Name: Maurice Delacy Dudley Death Place: Kew, Victoria Age: 61 Father's Name: Walter Dudley Mother's Name: Matilda Obriew Pierse Registration Year: 1935 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 9818 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Maurice was named after his uncle: Family Notices The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Friday 18 September 1903 p 1 Family Notices ...P. PIERSE.--On the 17th September, at St. Andrew's street, Brighton, Maurice De Lacey Pierse (late acting chief clerk Mines department, Victoria), dearly beloved husband of Alice Pierse, and only son of the late Wm. Fitzmaurice Pierse, super- intendent Metropolitan Police, London, England, in his ... if so: Name: Walter Dudley Spouse Name: Marion Pierse Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 1867 Registration Number: 3184 Marian's parents: William Fitzmaurice Pierse 1804 - 1846 Elizabeth Dede 1812 - 1893 she was baptd: London 22 Nov 1839, Spitalfields her father was the Superintendent of Police, and they lived at Prince Street ( probably more about him in the UK papers, but he died 01 Feb 1846) The whole family emigrated, including the mother, Elizabeth PIERSE- you can see this Tree on Ancestry- has lots of info poss an earlier marriage: Name: Walter Dudley Spouse Name: Elizabeth Bedwell Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 1854 Registration Number: 3069 You will find 2 PIERSE Wills online: http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=54&format=freetext&FamilyName=pierse&GivenName=&AltName=&Occupation=&Residence=&DEATH_YEAR=0&DEATH_YEARto=0&SearchRecords=25&x=0&y=0 the mother appointed Marian O'Brien DUDLEY as one Executor ( 1893) 1854: On the 18th inst., by license, at Christ Church, Geelong, by the Rev. J. Potter, Mr. John Whiteman, of Ryrie-street, Geelong, to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of the late William Fitzmaurice Pierse,Esq., of the City of London. 1869 - death M'LEOD.-On the 16th inst., being the eleventh anniversary of her birthday, at the residence of her uncle, No. 270 Cardigan-street, Carlton, Elizabeth Fitzmaurice, eldest daughter of William Alex. and. Florence J. M'Leod, and granddaughter of the late William Fitzmaurice Pierse, Esq., superintendent of police, London. 1893 HILL-MASTERS. -On the 8th inst., at the Holy Trinity Church, East Melbourne, by the Rev. W. G. Hindley, William Jno., second son of the late William Hill (Walter Hill), of Mayfield, Sussex, England, to Minnie Annie De Lacy, daughter of J. G. Masters, of McKean-street, North Fitzroy, and granddaughter of the late William Fitzmaurice Pierse, formerly superintendent of police, London. No cards. Home and New Zealand papers please copy. Not sure what happened here!: Name: Maria De Lacey Dudley Spouse Name: Marion Mabel Masters Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 1903 Registration Number: 954 Name: Amelia Pierse Spouse: John George Masters Marriage: 1866 - Victoria This article is very interesting and should keep you busy for a while:search for PIERSE Illustrated Australian News for Home Readers (Melbourne, Thursday 7 November 1872 there is a lot more, but you can find a lot through the newspapers etc Hope this helps Jocelyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi John Yes - the info you give here is what is on that Tree- http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/31351596/person/12431515910?ssrc= also try searching Ancestry.com public Trees - they are free to look at http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=42&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=ms_r_f-42&gsfn=james+valentine&gsln=lowrie&msbpn__ftp=Victoria%2C+Australia&msbpn=30099&msbpn_PInfo=5-|0|1652397|0|5027|0|30099|0|0|0|0|&msgpn__ftp=Victoria%2C+Australia&msgpn=30099&msgpn_PInfo=5-|0|1652397|0|5027|0|30099|0|0|0|0|&cpxt=0&uidh=tph&cp=0 if you google James Valentine L, other public Trees come up - his death cert is on some of them....but I think more work needs to be done! Cheers Jocelyn On Thu, Oct 11th, 2012 at 10:56 PM, John Shorten <shorten@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > Hi Jackie > > The info I have also lists Anne 1856 and James Valentine 1862 - 1931, he > married Annie McGHIE/EE who had 9 children. > > Can you get me the link to the family tree on ancestry? The tree sounds > ok, > till I check it out. > > The info comes from a friend who have looked at their ancestors. > > I have found on death Index the death of James Valentine LOWRIE , father > James, mother Catherine SHORTEN 1931 (DRN 10666) > Also found your death of Catherine LOWRIE 1881 (DRN 8108) parents unknown > > Regards John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of jabond@tpg.com.au > Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012 7:42 PM > To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com; John Shorten > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Typhoon to Victoria 1853 > > > Hi John > > there is a Tree on Ancestry that has James' ( b abt 1833 Perthshire ) > wife > as > Catherine SHORTALL b abt 1827 b County Kilkenny arrived 14 Sep > 1851...seems > they had 2 children Annie 1856-1930 and James Valentine 1862-1931 who > married > 1887 and had a number of children > > the info on the Tree might be a bit suss ....I found these shipping > records: > > Name: Catherine Shortell > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 > Age: 24 > Arrival Date: 14 Sep 1851 > Arrival Port: Geelong, Point Henry and Victoria, Australia > Departure Port: Plymouth > Ship: Statesman > Nationality: Irish > > arrived with: > > Name: Michael Shortall > Birth: abt 1823 > Departure: Plymouth > Arrival: 14 Sep 1851 - Geelong, Point Henry and Victoria, Australia > > and then this one - with a Kilkenny ref: > > Name: Catherine Shortall > Birth: abt 1840 > Origin: County Kilkenny, Ireland > Departure: Plymouth, England > Arrival: 3 Dec 1861 - Brisbane > > > Poss death for Catherine > > Surname: LOWRIE > Given Names: Catherine > Event: D > Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 57 > Sex: > Birth Place: > Death Place: MELB HOSP > Year: 1881 > Reg Number: 8108 > > > I haven't been able to find a marriage for the 2 names you gave -so I am > not > sure how much of the information you have is original research. > > perhaps you could clarify > > Cheers > Jocelyn > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 11th, 2012 at 6:27 PM, John Shorten > <shorten@alphalink.com.au> > wrote: > > > Thanks list > > > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Jackie Callinan > > Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012 5:59 PM > > To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Typhoon to Victoria 1853 > > > > > > John, > > > > Passenger list for Typhoon on ProVic site - > > > > LAURIE JAMES 22 MAR 1853 TYPHOON B 031 002 > > > > > > Couldn't see Catherine Shorten. > > > > Jackie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Shorten" <shorten@alphalink.com.au> > > To: <aus-vic@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:46 PM > > Subject: [AUS-VIC] Typhoon to Victoria 1853 > > > > > > > HI List > > > > > > Looking for assistance with 'The Typhoon' ship arriving in Victoria > > > C1853.It > > > may have departed Greenoch, Scotland > > > > > > Where can I find a list of passengers etc? > > > > > > Looking for James LOWRIE and Catherine SHORTEN, they married 12 > > November > > > 1855! > > > > > > Tanks in advance > > > > > > John Shorten > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: > 10/10/12 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5323 - Release Date: 10/10/12 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jackie The info I have also lists Anne 1856 and James Valentine 1862 - 1931, he married Annie McGHIE/EE who had 9 children. Can you get me the link to the family tree on ancestry? The tree sounds ok, till I check it out. The info comes from a friend who have looked at their ancestors. I have found on death Index the death of James Valentine LOWRIE , father James, mother Catherine SHORTEN 1931 (DRN 10666) Also found your death of Catherine LOWRIE 1881 (DRN 8108) parents unknown Regards John -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jabond@tpg.com.au Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012 7:42 PM To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com; John Shorten Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Typhoon to Victoria 1853 Hi John there is a Tree on Ancestry that has James' ( b abt 1833 Perthshire ) wife as Catherine SHORTALL b abt 1827 b County Kilkenny arrived 14 Sep 1851...seems they had 2 children Annie 1856-1930 and James Valentine 1862-1931 who married 1887 and had a number of children the info on the Tree might be a bit suss ....I found these shipping records: Name: Catherine Shortell Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Age: 24 Arrival Date: 14 Sep 1851 Arrival Port: Geelong, Point Henry and Victoria, Australia Departure Port: Plymouth Ship: Statesman Nationality: Irish arrived with: Name: Michael Shortall Birth: abt 1823 Departure: Plymouth Arrival: 14 Sep 1851 - Geelong, Point Henry and Victoria, Australia and then this one - with a Kilkenny ref: Name: Catherine Shortall Birth: abt 1840 Origin: County Kilkenny, Ireland Departure: Plymouth, England Arrival: 3 Dec 1861 - Brisbane Poss death for Catherine Surname: LOWRIE Given Names: Catherine Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 57 Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: MELB HOSP Year: 1881 Reg Number: 8108 I haven't been able to find a marriage for the 2 names you gave -so I am not sure how much of the information you have is original research. perhaps you could clarify Cheers Jocelyn On Thu, Oct 11th, 2012 at 6:27 PM, John Shorten <shorten@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > Thanks list > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Jackie Callinan > Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012 5:59 PM > To: aus-vic@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC] Typhoon to Victoria 1853 > > > John, > > Passenger list for Typhoon on ProVic site - > > LAURIE JAMES 22 MAR 1853 TYPHOON B 031 002 > > > Couldn't see Catherine Shorten. > > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Shorten" <shorten@alphalink.com.au> > To: <aus-vic@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:46 PM > Subject: [AUS-VIC] Typhoon to Victoria 1853 > > > > HI List > > > > Looking for assistance with 'The Typhoon' ship arriving in Victoria > > C1853.It > > may have departed Greenoch, Scotland > > > > Where can I find a list of passengers etc? > > > > Looking for James LOWRIE and Catherine SHORTEN, they married 12 > November > > 1855! > > > > Tanks in advance > > > > John Shorten > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: 10/10/12 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5323 - Release Date: 10/10/12

A bit more from that Tree...according to the Tree, Catherine had been married to a Henry SHORTALL and had a son Henry in 1854.... I haven't found a record to verify this, however there is a death cert for James Valentine and on that it states his mother was nee SHORTEN. Not sure if this where the assumption has been made her maiden name was SHORTEN or not, but death certs are often quite inaccurate for parent details. To try and find Catherine's arrival we would have to know if her name really was SHORTEN I guess. 10 March 1853: SHIP TYPHOON, >From Glasgow. PASSENGERS per Typhoon are informed that the lighter Carry More is now discharging at Cole's Wharf, and that each passenger will be responsible for the safety of his luggage, as the agents do not take charge of it after landed. DICKSON, GILCHRIST, & CO., Agents. Melbourne. 10th March. 238G9 ...... ‘TYPHOON’ Built 1852. Iron ship of 965 Tons. Built for Potter and Co. Reg; Glasgow. Master; Captain A.Smith. She ran from Glasgow to Sydney as a passenger ship. Glasgow-Australia service. ......

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sad_Mushroom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11043.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Why did you make a new thread when you already have one for this person? It is a pain having to go from ome thread to another trying to see what has already been found. What does her daughters marriage cert state? Where did the death date you supplied come from? If you think she is the one born 1882 (as mentioned on last thread) why not purchase the death cert and verify? Kellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi to all I am sorry to keep plagueing the list but I am desperately trying to find this man. I have found him named in a death registryof a child in Melbourne. His address is listed as Black ???? (looks like Wood) Street North Melbourne.. It looks like his occupation is listed as 1 Dray Man. In answer to the question Where Born and how long in the Australian Colonies the father answered Melbourne and 12 months. The child is listed as being 12 months old at death. Original information of Harold's death entry states he was married in Avoca Victoria. I am at a complete loss as I have been unable to find him anywhere. By my calculatons Harold was born in 1832, (Lancashire - but have been unable to find it) and married in 1858 - 59. He came to New Zealand in 1859 his death registery entry states his parents were William Harold and Margaret Gordon Clements. Trusting someone can come up with some information as to where I can try and look. Any help appreciated. Alma