This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicholls29 Surnames: O'Connell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Well done, Kellie and Rhonda. It appears that I was on the wrong family, and you were on the correct family. This burial, was a good clue: "Cornelius Clarence (Johns father) is buried with Johns wife Lucy..." Reg No 45889 Location R/C*M***3623 Area Roman Catholic Surname O'CONNELL Given Names CORNELIUS CLARENCE Date Of Birth Date Of Death Age 70 Fawkner Roman Catholic O'CONNELL CORNELIUS CLARENCE 26 Jul 1933 Reg No 53007 Location R/C*M***3623 Area Roman Catholic Surname O'CONNELL Given Names LUCY ANN Date Of Birth Date Of Death Age 46 Fawkner Roman Catholic O'CONNELL LUCY ANN 05 Jun 1935 The Argus, Friday 8 November 1918: DEATHS O'CONNELL.-On the 6th November, 1918 (sud-denly), at No. 13 Baillie street, North Melbourne, Ellen Helenya, beloved wife of Cornelius O'Con- nell, late of Yarram Yarram, S. Gippsland, and loving mother of James, Addie (Mrs. H. W. Kirby), John, Clarence, CJTII (Syd), and Ivy, aged 51 years. R.I.P. Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RhondaEmbee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11534.5.1.1.1.2.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Mary I had the thought to check WW1 records to for Horace b. 1889 but got side-tracked, so thank you he has now been traced. Rhonda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicholls29 Surnames: O Connell Harrington O'Leary White Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Possible births of some siblings (including John O'CONNELL in 1887), from James O'CONNELL (butcher of Shepparton) first marriage. Name: Hanorah Oconnell Mother: Mary Leary Father: James Oconnell Birth: 1878 - Sh Ep, Victoria Name: Cornelius Oconnell (D. 1933) Mother: Mary Leary Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1880 - Shepparton, Victoria Name: James Oconnell (D. 1882) Mother: Mary Leary Father: James Oconnell Birth: 1881 - Shepherds Flat, Victoria Name: James Oconnell (D. 1937 at Fitzroy, James Patrick O'CONNELL) Mother: Mary Leary Father: James Oconnell Birth: 1883 - Shepherds Flat, Victoria Name: Margaret Oconnell (D. 1888) Mother: Mary Leary Father: James Oconnell Birth: 1884 - Shepherds Flat, Victoria Name: John Oconnell Father's Name: James Oconnell Mother's name: Mary Oleary Birth Place: Pine, Victoria Registration Year: 1887 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 13758 Name: Daniel Oconnell (D. 1930 Melbourne) Father's Name: James Oconnell Mother's name: Mary Oleary Birth Place: Pine Lodge, Victoria Registration Year: 1888 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 14297 DEATH of a sibling. Name: Mary Theresa Geary Mother: Mary Oleary Father: James Oconnell Birth: abt 1889 Death: 1965 - Victoria Death of James O'CONNELL, butcher from Shepparton, first wife. Name: Mary Oconnell Mother: Mary Oleary Birth: abt 1853 Death: 1924 - Cheltenham, Victoria 2nd Marriage in 1894, of James O'CONNELL (butcher of Shepparton). Name: Jas Oconnell Spouse: Annie Harrington Marriage: 1894 - Victoria Births of children, to his second wife (Annie HARRINGTON): Name: Martin Pat Oconnell Mother: Ann Harrington Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1896 - Shepparton, Victoria(D. 1938) Name: Margt Mary Oconnell Mother: Annie Harrington Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1898 - Shton, Victoria Name: Jos Oconnell Mother: Annie Harrington Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1900 - Shton, Victoria Name: Thos Fras Oconnell Mother: Annie Harrington Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1901 - Shton, Victoria Name: Leo Jas Oconnell Mother: Annie Harrington Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1903 - Shton, Victoria Name: Patk Oconnell Mother: Annie Harrington Father: Jas Oconnell Birth: 1906 - Shton, Victoria Then a brother to John O'CONNELL died in October, 1930, and the family is all listed. The Argus, Monday 13 October 1930: DEATHS O'CONNELL.-On the 11th October, 1930 (result of accident), Daniel O'Connell, of 67 Waltham street, Flemington, the dearly beloved son of the late James and Mary O'Connell, of Shepparton, loving brother of Nora, Cornelius, James, John, Mary (Mrs. Geary), Kathleen (Mrs. Gaffy), Martin, Margaret, Joseph, Francis, Leo, and Patrick. - Requiescat in pace. Fawkner Cemetery. Deceased Details Fawkner Cemetery: Reg No 36698 Location R/C*I***3578 Area Roman Catholic Surname O'CONNELL Given Names DANIEL Date Of Birth Date Of Death Age 42 Maybe, the 1911 marriage certificate of John O'CONNELL to Lucy WHITE, needs to be purchased, to confirm the parents of John??? (I haven't checked any electoral rolls yet, as Kellie has done). Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicholls29 Surnames: O'Connell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, This info from Kellie, was the clue... "john and lucy married 1911, he listed his birthplace as SHTON (help people I'm not from VIC)" SHTON is Shepparton. So a search on Trove, of O'CONNELL Shapparton, revealed the family. Trove search words: "james oconnell" Shepparton Shepparton Advertiser (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Monday 4 November 1918: OBITUARY. MR JAMES O'CONNELL. It was learned with wide-spread regret that Mr James O'Connell, of Knight-street, had passed away shortly after 3 o'clock yesterday morning. The deceased, who was 73 years of age, had been ailing for some time, but the seriousness of his malady did not declare itself until about three weeks ago, after an attack of influenza. He had been suffering from a weak heart, and the strain on it had proved too much. Mr O'Connell was a familiar and welcome figure about town; ...... Mr. O'Connell was twice married; by his first wife he had a family of three sons and three daughters; by his second wife (who survives), he had a family of one daughter and five sons. The sons are all well known in business circles in town and district. The remains were removed to St. Brendan's Church, where Mass was celebrated at 8 o'clock this morning, by the Rev. Father Keane; and the cortege, which was over a mile in length, and comprised also many prominent ...... His digitized Will, on the Vic Wills website, left all his belongings to his wife Annie O'Connell. The Argus, Melbourne, 21 December 1918: WILLS AND ESTATES. James O'Connell, of Shepparton, butcher, who died on November 3, 1918, left by will dated September 28, 1905, real estate valued at £2,196 and personal property valued at £976 to his widow. His death registration: Name: Jas Oconnell Death Place: Shepparton, Victoria Age: 73 Father's Name: Oconnell Jas Mother's name: Hanorah Oden Registration Year: 1918 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 14665 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicholls29 Surnames: Mawdesley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11534.5.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Carla, Looking at the sister, Violet's, death notice, from the info supplied by Rhonda, I assume that all names typed prior to the word "deceased", had died by then, and not just Lily as being deceased. The West Australian, 4 November 1929: CARR. - On October 30, at Wooroloo, Violet, loving wife of James Carr and loving mother of Roma and Kathleen, beloved daughter of Frank and the late Lily Mawdesley, of Bunbury, and sister of Horace, Percy, Cecil, and Lily (deceased), Gordon, Stanley, and Lily, Mr. and Mrs. Mawdesley, Sid and Ivy, Mr. and Mrs. Lepper, Pansy and Dick, Mr. and Mrs. Hann, aged 31 years. A sufferer at rest. Inserted by her loving father, sisters, brothers. Just need clarification on who is "Horace" deceased by 1928. Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicholls29 Surnames: Mawdesley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11534.5.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Rhonda, Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: MAUDSLEY Given Names: Wm Horace Father: Horace Mother: Flor Rose CLARK Death Place: HBERG Age: 73 Year: 1953 Reg Number: 2932 Event: D Just wondering if there was another Horace (other than the fellow born 1879 in SA and died 1953 Vic), as you have him recorded (and so do the newspapers), as deceased by 1928. Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carla_mawdesley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11534.5.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Rhonda. I agree that it could be an incorrect entry on the death certificate. Thank you again! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carla_mawdesley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11534.5.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Mary, I haven't seen many of these newspaper entries. I will check through the dates and cross reference with my records. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: to130492 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Kellie. There were too many O'Connells with the same first names making it more confusing! :-) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RhondaEmbee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Birth registrations for children of Cornelius CONNELL/O'CONNELL and Ellen/Helen nee QUIRK James - Year: 1883, Birth Place: MOOR (Mooroopna near Shepparton?) Reg Number: 25218 Adelaide - Year: 1885 Birth, Place: MOOR, Reg Number: 4623 John - Year: 1886, Birth Place: MOOR, Reg Number: 28190 Cornelius - Year: 1890, Birth Place: COONGULMERANG, Reg. Number: 2584 Cyril Thos - Year: 1895, Birth Place: W MAFFRA, Reg. Number: 7698 Irene May Veronica - Year: 1897, Birth Place: WOODSIDE, Reg. Number: 15556 Ivy Wfred - Year: 1900, Birth Place: WOODSIDE, Reg. Number: 7546 Rupert Martin - Year: 1907, Birth Place: YARRAM, Reg. Number: 7225 Not certain if this is John's death but it appears to be the closest match. Fawkner Roman Catholic O'CONNELL JOHN JOSEPH bur. 26 Apr 1950 Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 John Joseph OCONNELL Father: Cornelius Mother: UNK Death Place: RL PK Age: 62 Year: 1950 Reg Number: 5102 Older brother James died as James Ignacious in 1959 recorded aged 71 which is not correct since he was born 1883. Rhonda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sad_Mushroom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, In your tree you have Clarence listed as a son from Ellens death notice. I think his full name was Cornelius Clarence (probably called Clarence to differentiate between himself and his father) He married Henrietta Queenie MUHLHAN (?) in 1920 and they are the ones who were living with/near John and Lucy....and that would be the Cornelius Clarence living with John after 1933 death of their father CC.. See,,had all the right people and names just hadn't lined them up yet!!! LOL Kellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sad_Mushroom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hiya, Wonderful,,,,I can see the updates to your tree.. Cornelius Clarence (Johns father) is buried with Johns wife Lucy... Name: Cornelius Clarence Oconnell Death Place:Heidelberg, Victoria Age:70 Father's Name:Cornelius Oconnell Mother's name:Johanna Flannagan Registration Year:1933 Registration Place:Victoria Registration Number: 5901 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Ellen's 1918 death notice is mentioned on TROVE. Name: Ellen Helinya Oconnell (spelling always sucks) Death Place:Hotham, Victoria Age:54 Father's Name:Quirk Thos Edw Mother's name:Mary Doherty Registration Year:1918 Registration Place;Victoria Registration Number:13264 Estimated birth year:abt 1864 Cemetery info http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx If you click on "show on the map" a little box appears at the side and gives you grave number/location. Kellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: to130492 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Kellie that's helped me a lot. Cheers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sad_Mushroom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hiya, john and lucy married 1911, he listed his birthplace as SHTON (help people I'm not from VIC) lucy had been married previously in 1907 to WHITE. john and lucy had (to 1920 as far as I can search) Clarence Jno 1912-1915 Kath Winf 1913 (you have on your tree already) Arthur Cornelius 1915 Irene Jessie 1918 Jean Helen 1920 (you have on your tree) The 1911 marriage cert for John and Lucy should help with their ages, places of birth and parents names. It can be downloaded instantly for $20.00 Kellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: to130492 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From John & Lucy, Leonard was my father. I know that John died either 1949 or 1950 as electoral roll shows he lived at that address until then. I also know that a Cornelius Clarence lived at the same address for some time but not sure how he was related to John may not have been his father maybe an uncle. I also may have the incorrect birth / death dates as there were many Cornelius O'Connells. So I am not sure I even have the correct parents. So difficult as I know very little about the O'Connell side as my father died when I was 14 & I didn't get much information back then. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cmurray56 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11540.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks so much for youre help Tania, that's a great help Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sad_Mushroom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I think all the people you mention re family BUT not in the order you have. Lucy is buried with Cornelius Clarence he died 1933 aged 70yo his parents noted as Cornelius and Johanna. WHO do you descend from? (is it one of Cornelius children?) It is much easier to find people if we know exactly what you have rather than chase many names for what you might be looking for. Kellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Tania_Dennis Surnames: Scott Classification: biography Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11540.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: National Archives of Australia - you can request a copy for a small fee, May have more accurate information. D596 1932/1412 Permit to leave Australia - Patricia Joana SCOTT Access status: Open Location: Adelaide 1932 - 1932 987886 Cheers Tania Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: to130492 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No unfortunately no birth certificates. I know that he died either 1949 or 1950 as electoral roll shows he lived at that address until then. I also know that Cornelius Clarence lived at the same address for some time & I may have the incorrect birth death dates as there were many Cornelius O'Connells. So now I am not sure I even have the correct parents. So difficult. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sad_Mushroom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.oceania.australia.vic.general/11539.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Geesh too many Cornelius OCONNELL. Lucy is actually buried with Cornelius Clarence who died 1933 BUT he is NOT the same one living with John 1936/1937 etc (obviously) There is no matching John buried with them or even close. Kellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>