Dear Listers, I feel sure that this question will have been asked before but I still don't know the answer: Are conduct records for the 290+ convicts who were brought across Bass Strait from the settlement at Port Phillip to the Derwent by David COLLINS in January 1804 still available, and if so, where are they? I can't find them via the TAHO search portal. Have they not survived? Incidentally, on the TAHO site, these 290+ convicts are listed as having been brought to VDL on 'HMS Calcutta', but that is incorrect, isn't it? They actually arrived on 'Ocean'. Certainly, they had been brought to Port Phillip on 'HMS Calcutta' but when COLLINS decided to abandon that settlement, the captain of 'HMS Calcutta (WOODRIFF) refused to go to VDL. He sailed straight back to England (via Sydney), leaving COLLINS no choice but to use the store ship 'Ocean' to transfer his settlement to the Derwent. Is there any dispute about that? Why then are these convicts listed as having arrived on 'HMS Calcutta'? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria.

Dear Don, you are right about the convicts arriving at Port Phillip on the Calcutta and then went to VDL by the Ocean and the Lady Nelson. The Calcutta stayed at Port Phillip filling the ship with timber before going on to Sydney then back to England. This was not the reason why Collins went to VDL, he had already made up his mind to leave Port Phillip as he was not prepared to set up a settlement there, lack of water etc. Their indents are with the other convicts who came later and you can view them on line through the Tasmanian Library site. The full list for the convicts who came with Collins can be found in my Land Grants and stock List 1803-1822 book. Regards from a not so warm Brisbane. Irene Irene Schaffer Email: irene.schaffer@bigpond.com http://www.tasfamily.net.au/~schafferi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bradmore" <djb100@mmnet.com.au> To: <AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Conduct records of VDL convicts, 1803 > Dear Listers, I feel sure that this question will have been asked before > but > I still don't know the answer: Are conduct records for the 290+ convicts > who were brought across Bass Strait from the settlement at Port Phillip to > the Derwent by David COLLINS in January 1804 still available, and if so, > where are they? I can't find them via the TAHO search portal. Have they > not survived? Incidentally, on the TAHO site, these 290+ convicts are > listed as having been brought to VDL on 'HMS Calcutta', but that is > incorrect, isn't it? They actually arrived on 'Ocean'. Certainly, they > had > been brought to Port Phillip on 'HMS Calcutta' but when COLLINS decided to > abandon that settlement, the captain of 'HMS Calcutta (WOODRIFF) refused > to > go to VDL. He sailed straight back to England (via Sydney), leaving > COLLINS no choice but to use the store ship 'Ocean' to transfer his > settlement to the Derwent. Is there any dispute about that? Why then > are > these convicts listed as having arrived on 'HMS Calcutta'? Don > Bradmore, > Central Victoria. > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Don, Port Phillip was in the Colony of New South Wales when the "Calcutta" arrived there in 1803. Wouldn't the surviving records be in NSW? 307 convicts embarked, and 8 deaths recorded. A number of the convicts appear on the NSW Archives website (just choose Calcutta from the drop-down list of ship's names and leave everything else blank; then, from the results you get, look for those who arrived 1803) the list gives dates etc for Conditional and Absolute Pardons etc http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=65 The Colonial Secretary's Papers Index may have some of the names listed - http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/default.htm A number of NSW convict records did not survive - I haven't found any Conduct Records for my convicts in NSW - http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/convicts/new-south-wales-convict-records-lost-and-saved Cheers Trish Nowra NSW Are conduct records for the 290+ convicts > who were brought across Bass Strait from the settlement at Port Phillip to > the Derwent by David COLLINS in January 1804 still available, and if so, > where are they? I can't find them via the TAHO search portal. Don Bradmore, > Central Victoria.

Hi Don, The convicts per Calcutta were transferred to VDL from Port Phillip on various ships including the Ocean. On the AOT convict index they are all listed as arriving on the Calcutta. Their records are in CON 22 which doesn't look to be available online as yet: http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11 regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania & AUS-Tas-Surnames mailing lists AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bradmore" <djb100@mmnet.com.au> To: <AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Conduct records of VDL convicts, 1803 Dear Listers, I feel sure that this question will have been asked before but I still don't know the answer: Are conduct records for the 290+ convicts who were brought across Bass Strait from the settlement at Port Phillip to the Derwent by David COLLINS in January 1804 still available, and if so, where are they? I can't find them via the TAHO search portal. Have they not survived? Incidentally, on the TAHO site, these 290+ convicts are listed as having been brought to VDL on 'HMS Calcutta', but that is incorrect, isn't it? They actually arrived on 'Ocean'. Certainly, they had been brought to Port Phillip on 'HMS Calcutta' but when COLLINS decided to abandon that settlement, the captain of 'HMS Calcutta (WOODRIFF) refused to go to VDL. He sailed straight back to England (via Sydney), leaving COLLINS no choice but to use the store ship 'Ocean' to transfer his settlement to the Derwent. Is there any dispute about that? Why then are these convicts listed as having arrived on 'HMS Calcutta'? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Many thanks to Meryl, Irene, Maree, Trish and Amanda for their prompt replies to my queries about conduct records of 1804 convicts and 'HMS Calcutta'. My understanding of the situation is still not perfect but a lot better than it was! All good wishes, Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. -----Original Message----- From: Meryl Yost [mailto:merylp@tasfamily.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014 9:11 AM To: Don Bradmore; AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Conduct records of VDL convicts, 1803 Hi Don, The convicts per Calcutta were transferred to VDL from Port Phillip on various ships including the Ocean. On the AOT convict index they are all listed as arriving on the Calcutta. Their records are in CON 22 which doesn't look to be available online as yet: http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11 regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania & AUS-Tas-Surnames mailing lists AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bradmore" <djb100@mmnet.com.au> To: <AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Conduct records of VDL convicts, 1803 Dear Listers, I feel sure that this question will have been asked before but I still don't know the answer: Are conduct records for the 290+ convicts who were brought across Bass Strait from the settlement at Port Phillip to the Derwent by David COLLINS in January 1804 still available, and if so, where are they? I can't find them via the TAHO search portal. Have they not survived? Incidentally, on the TAHO site, these 290+ convicts are listed as having been brought to VDL on 'HMS Calcutta', but that is incorrect, isn't it? They actually arrived on 'Ocean'. Certainly, they had been brought to Port Phillip on 'HMS Calcutta' but when COLLINS decided to abandon that settlement, the captain of 'HMS Calcutta (WOODRIFF) refused to go to VDL. He sailed straight back to England (via Sydney), leaving COLLINS no choice but to use the store ship 'Ocean' to transfer his settlement to the Derwent. Is there any dispute about that? Why then are these convicts listed as having arrived on 'HMS Calcutta'? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Don and listers, Don, You asked for the conduct records of the convicts to Port Phillip 1803. If you look at http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=CON31 you will see that these records date from Jan 1818. In the wisdom of TAHO and Linc Tasmania, they have redeveloped their website and access to the old "Guide to the public records of Tasmania. Section three Convict Department" can now be found on line through http://stors.tas.gov.au/au-7-0038-00120 (use Firefox Mozilla or similar, not Internet Explorer as it won't work/open properly in the latter!) If you do a search (Ctrl F) for CON 31 you will find on page 27 Chapter 7: "CONDUCT REGISTERS CONDUCT REGISTERS OF MALE CONVICTS ARRIVING IN THE CON 31 PERIOD OF THE ASSIGNMENT SYSTEM 1803-1843. 48 vols. The primary purpose of these volumes was to record the behaviour of the convict while he underwent his sentence in the colony; Lieutenant-Governor Arthur's ideal has been referred to (see Introduction), and it was begun to be put into effect in these volumes, in 1827, when Edward Cook, transported law stationer, went to the Chief Police Magistrate's residence near New Norfolk. ...for the purpose of completing a new set of Black Books (under the Superintendence of Josiah Spode Esq re Muster Master) upon a most extensive scale comprising the List of offences of 12305 prisoners with the particulars and nature of their several Offences together with the Original Offence Gaol and Hulk Reports...Memorialist remained at Humphreyville twelve Months for the before mentioned purpose & was during that period employed 14 or 15 hours a Day & very frequently on Sundays. Cook's work, therefore, consisted in entering up the new registers retrospectively; it is not always clear what records he used for the purpose, for no other sources now exist for some of the particulars recorded for convicts who arrived as early as 1806. The fact that they were entered retrospectively also explains the mistakes in chronological order which occur the more frequently the earlier the period. Not all convicts who arrived are included here, even though some of the earlier entries are completely blank except for the number, name and ship." Cheers, Maree On 1/07/2014 5:43 PM, Don Bradmore wrote: > Dear Listers, I feel sure that this question will have been asked before but > I still don't know the answer: Are conduct records for the 290+ convicts > who were brought across Bass Strait from the settlement at Port Phillip to > the Derwent by David COLLINS in January 1804 still available, and if so, > where are they? I can't find them via the TAHO search portal. Have they > not survived? Incidentally, on the TAHO site, these 290+ convicts are > listed as having been brought to VDL on 'HMS Calcutta', but that is > incorrect, isn't it? They actually arrived on 'Ocean'. Certainly, they had > been brought to Port Phillip on 'HMS Calcutta' but when COLLINS decided to > abandon that settlement, the captain of 'HMS Calcutta (WOODRIFF) refused to > go to VDL. He sailed straight back to England (via Sydney), leaving > COLLINS no choice but to use the store ship 'Ocean' to transfer his > settlement to the Derwent. Is there any dispute about that? Why then are > these convicts listed as having arrived on 'HMS Calcutta'? Don Bradmore, > Central Victoria. > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >