Hi Douglas and all *Info to check / consider and add to : * *Anne Hite’s *baptismal record : born [or baptised?] EVANDALE Tasmania, baptised *9/10/1838 * * (RGD32, 586/1839, Evandale) age ? Died where/when 1908* [TBC] .["No mention is made of her being an adopted or aboriginal child" TAHO] + *Ann/e HITE'S * parents are listed as Samuel Hite [ *b. 1805 UK d. 15 Jun 1891 where- ? - * TBC] and Mary Ann [nee Pendrill] [ *b. c 1815 UK , d. 30 Mar 1854 where ? - *TBC ] *Samuel HITE* was transported on the Malabar in 1821 (CSO1/1/403 9105) [ref: TAHO ] Conditional pardon: *26/8/1834, Free Pardon 15/12/1840 - * http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1286240/administrative-appeals-tribunal-reasons-for.pdf [TBC]. *Samuel HITE *and *Mary Ann Pendrill * married *10/7/1837* (RGD36, 4016/1837, *Campbell Town* Tasmania, [ref: TAHO]) The known baptised children of *Samuel* * HITE and Mary Ann* [nee Pendrill] *HITE* are listed as *: [need DOB etc] [**1] Ann HITE m. AYLETT [born or baptised EVANDALE **9/10/1838 ], * [2] *Charles*, [3] *George*, [4] *James*, 5] *John*, [6] *Mary*, [7] *George* (registered as 'Kite'), [8] *William* HITE (born Perth, Tas, * born 26/6/1844 [Perth ? Tasmania] RGD33 296/1844 christened 11/8/1844 [where ?] died 21/5/1919 Deloraine, Tas **"said to be Aboriginal as is claimed Ann HITE" *- ref: http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1286240/administrative-appeals-tribunal-reasons-for.pdf [ref: TAHO] - 'native of Tasmania' on his death record - which was commonly stated to show one did not arrive as a convict but was *native-born*...- [ref: TAHO]). Would be useful to list all dates for above children - plus photographs. *It is purported Ann was instead a daughter of Margaret BRIGGS d.1839 and a mystery man, **Thomas HITE - purported brother of Samuel HITE... * A Margaret/Mary Briggs died aged 22 without having any known/recorded children. The evidence for this is based on a burial record for 'Margaret Briggs' a 'half caste native' on *31st July 1839* [RGD34/2 p.145]. [ref: TAHO]. A son of *William HITE *[8 ] above and wife [unknown] was: John Hite *born Blackmoor, Tas, 31/5/1887 - d.1963 - *from: http://www.barfootp.f2s.com/m2h.php?FamID=5014 : *"*This area was the western end of Weegeena and the area on the Kimberley road." from: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2006-07/1153459817 ] *" NSW Records state a THOMAS HITE died in 1841 aged 47" * [TBC] ref page 6/6 - : http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1286240/administrative-appeals-tribunal-reasons-for.pdf - Can someone find this ? in HRA ? Records.nsw ? I'm hoping someone can check the indexes of HRA volumes for HITE, HEIGHT, HIATT, HYATT, HYETT or AYLETT names - towards potential clues = seeking the to date non existent THOMAS HITE. *Ann HITE* married *William AYLETT* *31 August 1858* [TBC] *where *? [TBC] *witnesses ? minister ? * This 2006 thread query [below] states that *Ann (nee HITE) *had the following [known] children with *William AYLETT* : [1] *John* [2] *Thomas* [3] *Frances* (Fanny) [4] *Emma* "Emma Aylett married 1884 in Westbury to Robert Cumming (b. 1862) from: http://boards.ancestry.com.au/thread.aspx?o=0&m=1.5.1.1.1&p=surnames.aylett p.1/6 " [5] *William*, [6] *Edward*, [7] *Kate* and [8] *James* [James who married my grandmother Maria May Davis Boutcher: from: http://boards.ancestry.com.au/thread.aspx?o=0&m=1.5.1.1.1&p=surnames.aylett] *[dates of their births ?]* * In this thread it states that Ann and William had 13 children... Note there is a *THOMAS* listed so it is interesting to check where the THOMAS name came from - AYLETT side ? or purported sealer father's name ? From: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2006-04/11456 Also* is there *an Aboriginal section of the "Jenner" Cemetery at Wynyard ? - where it is said Ann [nee HITE] is buried [ with William AYLETT in the non Aboriginal section ] from: http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1286240/administrative-appeals-tribunal-reasons-for.pdf *William AYLETT died when ? family info ? * Also this thread on the HITE / AYLETT'S ongoing mystery search is 8 pages long : http://boards.ancestry.com.au/thread.aspx?o=0&m=1.5.1.1.1&p=surnames.aylett and holds some clues including mention *that a photograph exists of Anne [nee HITE] and husband AYLETT - where is this photo - online anywhere ? * Re: Aylett, Hite marykwitecontrary_1 (View posts <http://boards.Ancestry.com.au/authorposts.aspx?uname=marykwitecontrary_1&uid=007debb1-0001-0000-0000-000000000000&uem=&rurl=http%3a%2f%2fboards.ancestry.com.au%2fthread.aspx%3fo%3d0%26m%3d1.5.1.1.1%26p%3dsurnames.aylett> ) Posted: 15 Aug 2002 10:37PM Classification: Query Edited: 24 Nov 2003 4:08AM Surnames: Aylett, Boutcher, Hite *"Have photo of William Aylett and Ann Hite, together with marriage certificate of son James who married my grandmother Maria May Davis Boutcher."* and maybe there is something in this - re: checking AYLETT connection. *Re: Aylett, Hite * tombens (View posts <http://boards.Ancestry.com.au/authorposts.aspx?uname=tombens&uid=00a2ccee-0003-0000-0000-000000000000&uem=&rurl=http%3a%2f%2fboards.ancestry.com.au%2fthread.aspx%3fo%3d20%26m%3d1.5.1.1.3.2.1%26p%3dsurnames.aylett> ) Posted: 23 Jan 2010 4:18PM Classification: Query hello william aylett is buried in wynyard and so is ann his wife *there is also william aylett buried in port arthur his son married an aboriginal women don't know the sons name or the womens name*. tom and this is interesting: Re: Aylett, Hite Deborah Ann Morgan (View posts <http://boards.Ancestry.com.au/authorposts.aspx?uname=debmorgan1957&uid=0163f66f-0003-0000-0000-000000000000&uem=&rurl=http%3a%2f%2fboards.ancestry.com.au%2fthread.aspx%3fo%3d30%26m%3d1.5.4.1%26p%3dsurnames.aylett> ) Posted: 27 Jun 2010 2:17PM Classification: Query Hi there I too am searching Hites. My husbands mother was a Hite. There have been lots of rumers about an aboriginal woman in the family but I think half of the family dispute this. Years ago I did see a photo. Showing the aboriginal woman sitting on a chair and a white man standing behind her. I cant remember where the photo went to. It didnt seem relevant at the time Regards Deb Also there seems to have been AYLETT and HITE family not only spread out across far NW Tasmania - but also around Latrobe, Sherwood, across to Deloraine - which is also the region in which the family of Aboriginal matriarch Dalrymple Johnson [nee Briggs] resided and continue to live... Plus Dalrymple and Thomas JOHNSON were in PERTH in the late 1830s to mid 1840s also having children = near where and when the HITE's were also having some of their children/baptisms - so this overlap is worth considering re: whether Ann and William are somehow connected to the Johnson's = ** check all baptism / marraige records for any family overlaps with witnesses. .... As well - there is the unsubstantiated and unlikely claim that Mary Briggs [ buried as Margaret Briggs ] sister of Dalrymple nee BRIGGS was the mother of Ann HITE - Ddubious also because William HITE was born/baptised in 1844 5 years after Mary/Margaret BRIGGS died - so how can he also be Aboriginal within the same history ? Where/when did the family first speak about knowledge of the name of Margaret BRIGGS [believed to have not had any children] as the HITE Aboriginal ancestor ? This is a link to the Oct 2002 Tribunal outcome about Aboriginality that has more information about the ruling that the HITE Aboriginality could not then be disproven: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1286240/administrative-appeals-tribunal-reasons-for.pdf Julie On 11 September 2014 18:40, Douglas <douglas@burbury.net> wrote: > Hi Julie, > > I was hoping particularly that you'd reply! :) > > The published TAHO comment states that they checked Plomley for any > reference to Thomas HITE (presumably including spelling variants) and > turned up nothing. I suppose Plomley made a list of all the names he found > in everything he consulted, and it appears as an index or something? > > An additional resource that has been checked by others is the parish > register for Colmworth in Bedfordshire which was the native place of Samuel > HITE (allegedly the brother of Thomas, and the father of the children > attributed to Thomas, at least according to their birth certificates). A > group of baptisms which appear to be of Samuel and around seven of his > siblings was found, but no Thomas was among them. A marriage between Samuel > HITE and Jane shortly before Samuel's date of transportation was also > located, and this fits in with Samuel's conduct record which mentions a > wife left behind. > > So probably the right Samuel, but still no brother Thomas. > > I take on board Patricia's comments about the lack of records for some > people in early VDL, but note that in her case, there is a record for her > grandfather's marriage, just not for his birth/baptism, so he is not > entirely without a paper trail. > > The problem with Thomas HITE is that the paper trail is so far entirely > blank. > > Douglas > > > On 11/09/2014 5:21 PM, Julie Gough wrote: > >> Hi everyone = good thinking Douglas >> >> It would also be good to check all potential spellings of HITE - Hiatt, >> Hyett,Height, etc -though I've not encountered a "sealer" with such surname >> (from memory). >> >> Julie >> >> (Sent from phone) >> >> On 11/09/2014, at 5:18 PM, Douglas via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hi List, >>> >>> There's an interesting discussion going on in the Australian media at >>> the moment regarding the claim to aboriginal ancestry being made by a >>> Tasmanian politician. A similar claim was made in 2002 in an appeal made >>> by some people to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, a claim which was >>> upheld. >>> >>> The claims centre around an alleged marriage between Margaret BRIGGS and >>> Thomas HITE. Margaret was a daughter of George BRIGGS and a sister of >>> Dalrymple BRIGGS. >>> >>> On the other side, Thomas HITE is reputed to have been a whaler and a >>> brother of Samuel HITE who was a convict per Malabar (1821). A lot of >>> the problem with supporting the claims is that there is no hard evidence >>> that Thomas HITE ever existed. The Tasmanian Archives and Heritage >>> Office (TAHO) have published their findings on the matter: >>> >>> >>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/239126702/Tasmanian-Archive-and-Heritage-Office-Lambie-Family-Research >>> >>> The issue I'm really interested in here is whether Thomas HITE actually >>> existed. Putting the collective wisdom of this list to work ... can >>> anyone provide any confirmation of this one point? >>> >>> Douglas >>> ------------------------------- >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) >>> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>