Hi everyone, A while ago Trish sent me a lot of info about this man and I have written this: “Mummery was a clergyman who had been sentenced to death in England in 1825 but he was sent to Van Diemens Land for life instead, arriving the following year. He received a conditional pardon in 1838.” My question is this: Mummery had started a small school in 1832. Was it possible for convicts to do such a thing before getting a conditional pardon? I am sure you will know the answer! Susan

Susan, Once they received a Ticket of Leave, convicts could do a heap of stuff that they couldn't do before ... and could continue to do it as long as they kept their noses clean. Check if your man got a ToL in the interim. Conditional Pardons were often granted almost as an afterthought, or at least as a reward for keeping your nose clean as a Ticket of Leaver for long enough. Douglas On 6/12/2014 2:08 PM, Susan Patterson via wrote: > Hi everyone, > A while ago Trish sent me a lot of info about this man and I have written this: > “Mummery was a clergyman who had been sentenced to death in England in 1825 but he was sent to Van Diemens Land for life instead, arriving the following year. He received a conditional pardon in 1838.” > My question is this: Mummery had started a small school in 1832. Was it possible for convicts to do such a thing before getting a conditional pardon? > I am sure you will know the answer! > Susan > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Susan, still busy I see. I would say it was very possible for Mummery to start a small school even if he was a convict, but I would have thought he would have had his T/L and received his C/pardon later on. you might like to go on line and read a story about Eugene Rossiet Lennon, he was teaching very soon after he arrived in 1842. Teachers and tutors were very scarce and anyone who could read and write was snapped up whoever they were. Some forgers because they could read and write were taken on by the Government because there was no one else to do the job. Google The Lives and times of Eugene Rossiet Lennon by Douglas Wilkie, if he could get a job teaching anyone could. Regards Irene Irene Schaffer Email: irene.schaffer@bigpond.com http://www.tasfamily.net.au/~schafferi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Patterson via" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Mummery again > Hi everyone, > A while ago Trish sent me a lot of info about this man and I have written > this: > “Mummery was a clergyman who had been sentenced to death in England in > 1825 but he was sent to Van Diemens Land for life instead, arriving the > following year. He received a conditional pardon in 1838.” > My question is this: Mummery had started a small school in 1832. Was it > possible for convicts to do such a thing before getting a conditional > pardon? > I am sure you will know the answer! > Susan > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, does anyone have any references to John Tovey Simons please. Originally I had him as born in 1792 on Norfolk Island from the old CTFL. Other sites have his birth in Birmingham, Eng. in 1789 Also various references online to his arrival in VDL c1819, perhaps aboard the Adamant. He married 3/6/1819 at St David's Hobart to Mary Walford, and he died 1/8/1829 in Sydney Town. From his given age of 39 on his death Registration in NSW the 1789 date seems more accurate. Any help appreciated re his birth or arrival. Cheers Sally

Hi All, does anyone have any references to John Tovey Simons please. Originally I had him as born in 1792 on Norfolk Island from the old CTFL. Other sites have his birth in Birmingham, Eng. in 1789 Also various references online to his arrival in VDL c1819, perhaps aboard the Adamant. He married 3/6/1819 at St David's Hobart to Mary Walford, and he died 1/8/1829 in Sydney Town. From his given age of 39 on his death Registration in NSW the 1789 date seems more accurate. Any help appreciated re his birth or arrival. Cheers Sally

Hi Sally, This information is from the www.familysearch.org website - John Tovey SIMONS - Born: Baptised: 11 July 1789, St Phillip's, Birmingham, Warwickshire-ENG Father: John SIMONS Mother: Elizabeth Parents - John SIMONS married Elizabeth TOVEY (of Aston Parish), 6 February 1774, St Martin's, Birmingham, Warwickshire-ENG Possible children born to John and Elizabeth SIMONS - 23 December 1774 - John Tovey SIMONS (St Martin's) 24 September 1776 - John Tovey SIMONS (St Martin's) 9 January 1778 - William Tovey SIMONS (St Phillip's) 23 March 1779 - Elizabeth SIMONS (St Phillip's) 26 May 1780 - John SIMONS (St Phillip's); died 28 January 1781 6 September 1781 - Mary Tovey SIMONS (St Phillip's); died 22 March 1782 26 February 1783 - Henry SIMONS (St Phillip's); died 17 September 1785 30 May 1787 - Mary Ann SIMONS (St Phillip's); born 15 May 1786 11 July 1789 - John Tovey SIMONS (St Phillip's) It looks like John SIMONS (father) wanted a son of the same name, and the family has continued naming sons John following infant deaths. Joining the Warwickshire Mailing List may help find more on the origins of this family. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > does anyone have any references to John Tovey Simons please. Originally I > had him > as born in 1792 on Norfolk Island from the old CTFL. > Other sites have his birth in Birmingham, Eng. in 1789 > Any help appreciated re his birth or arrival. > Cheers > Sally

Thanks Trish, looks likely. Still very interested in any arrival in Oz for him Cheers Sally -------------------------------------------------- From: "symonds3 via" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:50 PM To: "AUS-TASMANIA" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] John Tovey Simons - arrival or birth? > Hi Sally, > This information is from the www.familysearch.org website - > John Tovey SIMONS - > Born: > Baptised: 11 July 1789, St Phillip's, Birmingham, Warwickshire-ENG > Father: John SIMONS > Mother: Elizabeth > > Parents - > John SIMONS married Elizabeth TOVEY (of Aston Parish), 6 February 1774, St > Martin's, Birmingham, Warwickshire-ENG > >