Hi All Thanks for the input/ideas. My ancestor had 3 daughters who all arrived on the vessel Eliza which arrived in Hobart town on 6 December 1850 this is documented. Family history states that there where no other related Clancy's in Tasmania at that time. My Ellen (if its her) was the witness at her sisters marriage. The girls certainly didn't arrive later, they arrived as a family group in 1850 with mother Mary and father Patrick he was a guard on a convict ship after spending 22 years and 107 days in the English Army, 27th regiment of Foot. I will keep digging. Regards Laine > From: cathloushaw@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Looking for Ellen Clancy > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:36:45 +1100 > To: moreta_c@hotmail.com > > Hi Laine > > This has me intrigued. > > Are you sure that the Ellen Clancy as witness in 1855 was the sister? I found an Ellen married to a William Clancy in Bothwell in 1847. The witness could be her, and your Ellen could be the one who came out in 1856. > > Cheers > > Catherine > > > > On 27 Oct 2014, at 5:31 pm, Laine Clancy via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi All > > Hoping someone can do a look up for an Ellen Clancy she was in Oatlands in 1855 when she was a witness at her sisters wedding. Looking for a marriage or a death. She wasn't born in Australia and she would have been born between approximately 1830 and 1840. > > If I can find what happened to her then you will hear the sounds of crashing as the final piece in one of my brick walls will fall. > > I have been trying to find my original Patrick Clancy's 3 daughters, have his son and I have now established that the girls below are ours: > > Jane Clancy married George Lloyd at Campbelltown in 1852 they moved to Victoria; > Mary Clancy married Thomas (Joseph) Murphy at Oatlands in 1855 and lived at Forest Hall, Cleveland. > > Ellen is the missing sister and its the first time I have had a name for her. I have been doing this research for 37 years and being able to prove third daughter is connected would be very satisfying. > > Hoping someone can help. > > Laine Clancy > Sunny Newcastle, NSW > > > PS. I really enjoy reading about everyone's different stories > > > > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Its unlikely Ellen Neil who married William Clancy at Bothwell ( http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-6p4j2k ) is the same individual that appeared as marriage witness' to Mary Clancy's in 1855 ( http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-14p461j2k) as one of them signed with an X while the other wrote her own name. I thought Ellen might have travelled to Melbourne with her sister and brother in law, the Lloyds when they departed on the Yarra Yarra in 1853 and been one of the Ellen Clancy's' that married in Victoria in 1861 or 1875 but since she witnessed a marriage in 1855 in Tassie that ideas shot. Patrick Clancy Senior, appears in the Campbell Town Lower Court records a number of times up until his death in 1859 as a constable being drunk or not doing his duty. Mary Clancy, Senior also makes one appearance but none of the girls seem to have got in any scrapes to warrant an entry. A clue might lie in what happened to Mary Ann Gereghty/Clancy/Chalins? If Ellen remained a spinster she may have continued to reside in her mother's household. Mary Ann Clancy remarried to John Chalins in 1866 ( http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-25p16j2k ) Mary Murphy a marriage witness?. A John Chelins died at Westbury in 1878 ( http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-47p173j2k ) and his death age equates very well with the John Chalins of 1866 marriage age. Can't seem to find much in relation to Chalins/Chelins surname other than Henrietta Chelins and Samuel Barnard who must have been related to him as Barnard was informant on his death certificate. Pity the CSO24 "Eliza" references don't give any more details other than 4 children arriving with Patrick. If the children had been named it would have been another proof of Ellen's existence. Since the 27th Regiment moved around to different posting you would assume the children if baptised would be in different locations - UK, Gibraltar, South Africa etc. I have an Irish ancestor who was in the 99th Regiment and settled in Tasmania. Same circumstances with his children and to make it more confusing being Roman Catholic some of the baptism's were in Latin. We eventually found the right baptism at Portsea where the regiment departed from but in Latin form. We recently had a post on the list regarding Latin translation so there's another smoke screen layer you have to penetrate if you find them!. Certainly Ellen Clancy's existence is very perplexing at the moment and I hope some clue comes to the fore to help Laine identify her... Cheers, Peter On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Laine Clancy via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Hi All > > Thanks for the input/ideas. > > My ancestor had 3 daughters who all arrived on the vessel Eliza which > arrived in Hobart town on 6 December 1850 this is documented. > > Family history states that there where no other related Clancy's in > Tasmania at that time. > > My Ellen (if its her) was the witness at her sisters marriage. > > The girls certainly didn't arrive later, they arrived as a family group in > 1850 with mother Mary and father Patrick he was a guard on a convict ship > after spending 22 years and 107 days in the English Army, 27th regiment of > Foot. > > I will keep digging. > > Regards > > Laine > > > > From: cathloushaw@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Looking for Ellen Clancy > > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:36:45 +1100 > > To: moreta_c@hotmail.com > > > > Hi Laine > > > > This has me intrigued. > > > > Are you sure that the Ellen Clancy as witness in 1855 was the sister? I > found an Ellen married to a William Clancy in Bothwell in 1847. The witness > could be her, and your Ellen could be the one who came out in 1856. > > > > Cheers > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > On 27 Oct 2014, at 5:31 pm, Laine Clancy via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > Hoping someone can do a look up for an Ellen Clancy she was in Oatlands > in 1855 when she was a witness at her sisters wedding. Looking for a > marriage or a death. She wasn't born in Australia and she would have been > born between approximately 1830 and 1840. > > > > If I can find what happened to her then you will hear the sounds of > crashing as the final piece in one of my brick walls will fall. > > > > I have been trying to find my original Patrick Clancy's 3 daughters, > have his son and I have now established that the girls below are ours: > > > > Jane Clancy married George Lloyd at Campbelltown in 1852 they moved to > Victoria; > > Mary Clancy married Thomas (Joseph) Murphy at Oatlands in 1855 and lived > at Forest Hall, Cleveland. > > > > Ellen is the missing sister and its the first time I have had a name for > her. I have been doing this research for 37 years and being able to prove > third daughter is connected would be very satisfying. > > > > Hoping someone can help. > > > > Laine Clancy > > Sunny Newcastle, NSW > > > > > > PS. I really enjoy reading about everyone's different stories > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >