Thanks Meryl for checking TFI last week. Thanks Peter for checking the baptisms. I certainly think it was kept a secret for some time or only some family members were aware. Clara's DN in 1966 doesn't list her as a daughter and grandchildren are not listed. She isn't mentioned in Evelyn's DN in 1966 either. Betty is still at Quarantine Rd in 1958 but neither Clara or Betty are there in 1963. Some living relatives had told me there was a rumour but weren't a 100% sure (probably didn't want to say) but a couple of others knew who was the mother. I've had another case where they were told on their wedding day that who she thought was her sister was her mother. Now that would be shock! Cheers Robert