Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Karen Kestigian
Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CSO92-1-9p60jpg Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71620511 Another in 1838 with passengers: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31749779 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Karen Kestigian
Hi Meryl, Thank you so much for replying - you are always so supportive. This is what I have from the Destitute Asylum Records 1913 for Fanny (Frances) White. She states her birth place as Chichester, Sussex - this is correct and is verified with her christening information. She was born in 1829. I believe she travelled to Australia with her younger sister Charlotte who was born in 1831. Fanny states she arrived in South Australia in 1847 - a birth record of a son George to George Parker is registered in South Australia for that year. Fanny states she arrived on the Royal Admiral - given that the other information seems to be correct I am searching this ship as being the only clue at this point. I understand children were not always identified. On the 1842 voyage there are three women with the surname "White" but none match the location of our White family, unfortunately. I think their father James White was transported to NSW in 1832 for stealing - he was on board the Lady Harewood. It is interesting as from 1832 to 1847 in England there is no sign of their mother Sarah or the girls. If this James is their father - and there is a reasonable chance?? - his wife and daughters may have ended up in the poor house. The only other avenue are the female factories, I don't know if the maids/servants were recorded in the early settlements. I have searched all the Royal Admiral published lists - one research paper suggested that the original manifests may include additional names. I don't know if anyone has had the opportunity to uncover such documents or where to go to find them. Cheers - and great hearing from you Regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: Meryl Yost [mailto:merylp@tasfamily.net.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 09:24 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CSO92-1-9p60jpg Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71620511 Another in 1838 with passengers: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31749779 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Karen Kestigian _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
G'day Karen, The Royal Admiral departed London on 7 September 1840 and arrived in Adelaide on 13 December 1840. One of the passengers is listed as WAITE (sic) Frances (w). This looks promising. The (w) indicates a widow which may have suited her purposes. The age doesn't fit with what you have but I pass this on for what it might be worth Regards Chris - Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 9:25 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Meryl, Thank you so much for replying - you are always so supportive. This is what I have from the Destitute Asylum Records 1913 for Fanny (Frances) White. She states her birth place as Chichester, Sussex - this is correct and is verified with her christening information. She was born in 1829. I believe she travelled to Australia with her younger sister Charlotte who was born in 1831. Fanny states she arrived in South Australia in 1847 - a birth record of a son George to George Parker is registered in South Australia for that year. Fanny states she arrived on the Royal Admiral - given that the other information seems to be correct I am searching this ship as being the only clue at this point. I understand children were not always identified. On the 1842 voyage there are three women with the surname "White" but none match the location of our White family, unfortunately. I think their father James White was transported to NSW in 1832 for stealing - he was on board the Lady Harewood. It is interesting as from 1832 to 1847 in England there is no sign of their mother Sarah or the girls. If this James is their father - and there is a reasonable chance?? - his wife and daughters may have ended up in the poor house. The only other avenue are the female factories, I don't know if the maids/servants were recorded in the early settlements. I have searched all the Royal Admiral published lists - one research paper suggested that the original manifests may include additional names. I don't know if anyone has had the opportunity to uncover such documents or where to go to find them. Cheers - and great hearing from you Regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: Meryl Yost [mailto:merylp@tasfamily.net.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 09:24 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstors.tas.gov.au%2FCSO92-1-9p60jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315606031&sdata=h5dK5CBGNbOUDCZWORkf8tHmuIo03y%2BwbR8kFZyCj0I%3D&reserved=0 Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au%2Fnla.news-article71620511&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sdata=TYfMBDPjT84LGMYJnC5%2F%2B802CBfw8EhqxjAopldwHjk%3D&reserved=0 Another in 1838 with passengers: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au%2Fnla.news-article31749779&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sdata=eHyWPwJ%2F%2FYqhGCtoC8ykFI3jdrcfEyoFf%2BF24ZKB3Ic%3D&reserved=0 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 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Dear Chris, Thank you so much. This is definitely a mystery. Frances White was christened Fanny, however when she has her first son her name is Frances. So I am not sure if she travelled under the name of Fanny or Frances and of course White is such a common name. Cheers Karen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ward [mailto:ceejay@outlook.com.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 10:14 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 G'day Karen, The Royal Admiral departed London on 7 September 1840 and arrived in Adelaide on 13 December 1840. One of the passengers is listed as WAITE (sic) Frances (w). This looks promising. The (w) indicates a widow which may have suited her purposes. The age doesn't fit with what you have but I pass this on for what it might be worth Regards Chris - Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 9:25 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Meryl, Thank you so much for replying - you are always so supportive. This is what I have from the Destitute Asylum Records 1913 for Fanny (Frances) White. She states her birth place as Chichester, Sussex - this is correct and is verified with her christening information. She was born in 1829. I believe she travelled to Australia with her younger sister Charlotte who was born in 1831. Fanny states she arrived in South Australia in 1847 - a birth record of a son George to George Parker is registered in South Australia for that year. Fanny states she arrived on the Royal Admiral - given that the other information seems to be correct I am searching this ship as being the only clue at this point. I understand children were not always identified. On the 1842 voyage there are three women with the surname "White" but none match the location of our White family, unfortunately. I think their father James White was transported to NSW in 1832 for stealing - he was on board the Lady Harewood. It is interesting as from 1832 to 1847 in England there is no sign of their mother Sarah or the girls. If this James is their father - and there is a reasonable chance?? - his wife and daughters may have ended up in the poor house. The only other avenue are the female factories, I don't know if the maids/servants were recorded in the early settlements. I have searched all the Royal Admiral published lists - one research paper suggested that the original manifests may include additional names. I don't know if anyone has had the opportunity to uncover such documents or where to go to find them. Cheers - and great hearing from you Regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: Meryl Yost [mailto:merylp@tasfamily.net.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 09:24 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstors.tas. gov.au%2FCSO92-1-9p60jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c8472 9ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315606031&sdat a=h5dK5CBGNbOUDCZWORkf8tHmuIo03y%2BwbR8kFZyCj0I%3D&reserved=0 Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au% 2Fnla.news-article71620511&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84 729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sd ata=TYfMBDPjT84LGMYJnC5%2F%2B802CBfw8EhqxjAopldwHjk%3D&reserved=0 Another in 1838 with passengers: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au% 2Fnla.news-article31749779&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84 729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sd ata=eHyWPwJ%2F%2FYqhGCtoC8ykFI3jdrcfEyoFf%2BF24ZKB3Ic%3D&reserved=0 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 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G'day Karen, I have a sister Frances and a great aunt Fanny. In years gone by I think the names were almost interchangeable much the same as Robert and Bob. In more modern times Fanny lost its popularity due to the American slang for backside and the Australian slang for female genitalia. My sister would be horrified if anyone called her Fanny but joyfully responds to Fran! My great aunt would have been quite happy with Fanny in her day. Not that many years ago many girls were name Gaynor which was often abbreviated to Gay. I'm not sure there would be many girls named Gay today Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 12:36 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Dear Chris, Thank you so much. This is definitely a mystery. Frances White was christened Fanny, however when she has her first son her name is Frances. So I am not sure if she travelled under the name of Fanny or Frances and of course White is such a common name. Cheers Karen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ward [mailto:ceejay@outlook.com.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 10:14 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 G'day Karen, The Royal Admiral departed London on 7 September 1840 and arrived in Adelaide on 13 December 1840. One of the passengers is listed as WAITE (sic) Frances (w). This looks promising. The (w) indicates a widow which may have suited her purposes. The age doesn't fit with what you have but I pass this on for what it might be worth Regards Chris - Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 9:25 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Meryl, Thank you so much for replying - you are always so supportive. This is what I have from the Destitute Asylum Records 1913 for Fanny (Frances) White. She states her birth place as Chichester, Sussex - this is correct and is verified with her christening information. She was born in 1829. I believe she travelled to Australia with her younger sister Charlotte who was born in 1831. Fanny states she arrived in South Australia in 1847 - a birth record of a son George to George Parker is registered in South Australia for that year. Fanny states she arrived on the Royal Admiral - given that the other information seems to be correct I am searching this ship as being the only clue at this point. I understand children were not always identified. On the 1842 voyage there are three women with the surname "White" but none match the location of our White family, unfortunately. I think their father James White was transported to NSW in 1832 for stealing - he was on board the Lady Harewood. It is interesting as from 1832 to 1847 in England there is no sign of their mother Sarah or the girls. If this James is their father - and there is a reasonable chance?? - his wife and daughters may have ended up in the poor house. The only other avenue are the female factories, I don't know if the maids/servants were recorded in the early settlements. I have searched all the Royal Admiral published lists - one research paper suggested that the original manifests may include additional names. I don't know if anyone has had the opportunity to uncover such documents or where to go to find them. Cheers - and great hearing from you Regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: Meryl Yost [mailto:merylp@tasfamily.net.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 09:24 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstors.tas. gov.au%2FCSO92-1-9p60jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c8472 9ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315606031&sdat a=h5dK5CBGNbOUDCZWORkf8tHmuIo03y%2BwbR8kFZyCj0I%3D&reserved=0 Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au% 2Fnla.news-article71620511&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84 729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sd ata=TYfMBDPjT84LGMYJnC5%2F%2B802CBfw8EhqxjAopldwHjk%3D&reserved=0 Another in 1838 with passengers: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au% 2Fnla.news-article31749779&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84 729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sd ata=eHyWPwJ%2F%2FYqhGCtoC8ykFI3jdrcfEyoFf%2BF24ZKB3Ic%3D&reserved=0 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 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Hi Chris, I agree with everything you have said. I am aware of those connotations and the evolution around certain names. It is interesting that in this case the child was christened "Fanny" - to this point in time I have discovered so very little about the family. It is possible that "Fanny" in its derivation was a family name and much respected as often was the case in those days, before we were introduced to "Apple" - "North" and of course the ever popular "Prince". Cheers Karen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ward [mailto:ceejay@outlook.com.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 13:53 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 G'day Karen, I have a sister Frances and a great aunt Fanny. In years gone by I think the names were almost interchangeable much the same as Robert and Bob. In more modern times Fanny lost its popularity due to the American slang for backside and the Australian slang for female genitalia. My sister would be horrified if anyone called her Fanny but joyfully responds to Fran! My great aunt would have been quite happy with Fanny in her day. Not that many years ago many girls were name Gaynor which was often abbreviated to Gay. I'm not sure there would be many girls named Gay today Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 12:36 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Dear Chris, Thank you so much. This is definitely a mystery. Frances White was christened Fanny, however when she has her first son her name is Frances. So I am not sure if she travelled under the name of Fanny or Frances and of course White is such a common name. Cheers Karen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ward [mailto:ceejay@outlook.com.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 10:14 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 G'day Karen, The Royal Admiral departed London on 7 September 1840 and arrived in Adelaide on 13 December 1840. One of the passengers is listed as WAITE (sic) Frances (w). This looks promising. The (w) indicates a widow which may have suited her purposes. The age doesn't fit with what you have but I pass this on for what it might be worth Regards Chris - Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 9:25 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Meryl, Thank you so much for replying - you are always so supportive. This is what I have from the Destitute Asylum Records 1913 for Fanny (Frances) White. She states her birth place as Chichester, Sussex - this is correct and is verified with her christening information. She was born in 1829. I believe she travelled to Australia with her younger sister Charlotte who was born in 1831. Fanny states she arrived in South Australia in 1847 - a birth record of a son George to George Parker is registered in South Australia for that year. Fanny states she arrived on the Royal Admiral - given that the other information seems to be correct I am searching this ship as being the only clue at this point. I understand children were not always identified. On the 1842 voyage there are three women with the surname "White" but none match the location of our White family, unfortunately. I think their father James White was transported to NSW in 1832 for stealing - he was on board the Lady Harewood. It is interesting as from 1832 to 1847 in England there is no sign of their mother Sarah or the girls. If this James is their father - and there is a reasonable chance?? - his wife and daughters may have ended up in the poor house. The only other avenue are the female factories, I don't know if the maids/servants were recorded in the early settlements. I have searched all the Royal Admiral published lists - one research paper suggested that the original manifests may include additional names. I don't know if anyone has had the opportunity to uncover such documents or where to go to find them. Cheers - and great hearing from you Regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: Meryl Yost [mailto:merylp@tasfamily.net.au] Sent: 24 April 2019 09:24 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstors.tas. gov.au%2FCSO92-1-9p60jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c8472 9ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315606031&sdat a=h5dK5CBGNbOUDCZWORkf8tHmuIo03y%2BwbR8kFZyCj0I%3D&reserved=0 Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au% 2Fnla.news-article71620511&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84 729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sd ata=TYfMBDPjT84LGMYJnC5%2F%2B802CBfw8EhqxjAopldwHjk%3D&reserved=0 Another in 1838 with passengers: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnla.gov.au% 2Fnla.news-article31749779&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2a01d577f23a4234e77408d6c84 729ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636916605315616036&sd ata=eHyWPwJ%2F%2FYqhGCtoC8ykFI3jdrcfEyoFf%2BF24ZKB3Ic%3D&reserved=0 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 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Hi Karen, Thank you. 8-) Might be worthwhile checking the other convict voyages of the Royal Admiral as well. https://convictrecords.com.au/ships/royal-admiral Your quest is a very difficult one. Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 9:55 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Meryl, Thank you so much for replying - you are always so supportive. This is what I have from the Destitute Asylum Records 1913 for Fanny (Frances) White. She states her birth place as Chichester, Sussex - this is correct and is verified with her christening information. She was born in 1829. I believe she travelled to Australia with her younger sister Charlotte who was born in 1831. Fanny states she arrived in South Australia in 1847 - a birth record of a son George to George Parker is registered in South Australia for that year. Fanny states she arrived on the Royal Admiral - given that the other information seems to be correct I am searching this ship as being the only clue at this point. I understand children were not always identified. On the 1842 voyage there are three women with the surname "White" but none match the location of our White family, unfortunately. I think their father James White was transported to NSW in 1832 for stealing - he was on board the Lady Harewood. It is interesting as from 1832 to 1847 in England there is no sign of their mother Sarah or the girls. If this James is their father - and there is a reasonable chance?? - his wife and daughters may have ended up in the poor house. The only other avenue are the female factories, I don't know if the maids/servants were recorded in the early settlements. I have searched all the Royal Admiral published lists - one research paper suggested that the original manifests may include additional names. I don't know if anyone has had the opportunity to uncover such documents or where to go to find them. Cheers - and great hearing from you Regards Karen
There was an earlier Royal Admiral Voyage carrying Women and Female children that arrived on the 7 October 1792. This tells a little about it, but the other website that gave colourful characters where i first saw the ship mentioned I couldnt access, Karen. http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/stories.html https://www.ihr.com.au/rachildren.html Maybe too early. Edie McArthur ------ Original Message ------ From: "Meryl Yost" <merylp@tasfamily.net.au> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 24 Apr, 2019 At 9:24 AM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CSO92-1-9p60jpg Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71620511 Another in 1838 with passengers: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31749779 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Karen Kestigian _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Dear Edie, Thank you so much. Unfortunately the 1792 voyage is too early but I shall try to access the other sites you mentioned. Every little scrap of information is always valuable. Kind regards Karen -----Original Message----- From: eamca1944@bigpond.com [mailto:eamca1944@bigpond.com] Sent: 26 April 2019 10:32 To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 There was an earlier Royal Admiral Voyage carrying Women and Female children that arrived on the 7 October 1792. This tells a little about it, but the other website that gave colourful characters where i first saw the ship mentioned I couldnt access, Karen. http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/stories.html https://www.ihr.com.au/rachildren.html Maybe too early. Edie McArthur ------ Original Message ------ From: "Meryl Yost" <merylp@tasfamily.net.au> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 24 Apr, 2019 At 9:24 AM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Hi Karen, Tasmanian Archives has the report of the arrival of the Royal Admiral in 1842 which states how many convict women and names passengers but not with the surname you are looking for: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CSO92-1-9p60jpg Convict women quite often brought their children with them but I cannot find Sarah Forester/White on the Royal Admiral as a convict. Is it possible that the girls came on a different voyage of the Royal Admiral that may have arrived elsewhere in Australia? There was an arrival of the Royal Admiral in South Australia with emigrants in 1840: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71620511 Another in 1838 with passengers: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31749779 Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates <kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2019 8:20 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Passenger Lists The Royal Admiral 1842 Good Day Everyone, Can anyone please advise me where I might find the original passenger ship manifests? I am researching the Royal Admiral 1842 voyage of convict women. According to my research so far the number of women identified is about 204 but another resource suggested there were more and that the original manifest would have those names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Karen Kestigian _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community