Dear List Members, Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex England Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. On James White is the following: New South Wales 1832 List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 August 1832 Indent No. 151 James White Age - 21 Read/Write - None Religion - Protestant Single, Married, or Widowed - Married Children - 2 Female Native Place - Sussex Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps Offence - Stealing grain Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions When Tried - 17 October 1831 Sentence - 7 Years Former Conviction - None Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches Complexion - Fair ruddy Hair - Brown Eyes - Chestnut Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 Sussex On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... On Monday the following prisoners were tried... James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the following: Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers in Van Diemen's Land. A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Karen Kestigian

You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal Frances? If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child of hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a few months later to Frances. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage Dear List Members, Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex England Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. On James White is the following: New South Wales 1832 List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 August 1832 Indent No. 151 James White Age - 21 Read/Write - None Religion - Protestant Single, Married, or Widowed - Married Children - 2 Female Native Place - Sussex Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps Offence - Stealing grain Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions When Tried - 17 October 1831 Sentence - 7 Years Former Conviction - None Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches Complexion - Fair ruddy Hair - Brown Eyes - Chestnut Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 Sussex On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... On Monday the following prisoners were tried... James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the following: Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers in Van Diemen's Land. A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Karen Kestigian _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dear Dawn, Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family interpretation. Thank you for your interest. Cheers Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal Frances? > If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. > My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child of > hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a few > months later to Frances. > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM > To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear List Members, > > > > Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my > great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: > > > > My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex > England > > Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) > > Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer > > Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 > > Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England > > > > Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in > Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex > England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. > > > > Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. > > > > On James White is the following: > > > > New South Wales 1832 > List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 > August 1832 > > Indent No. 151 > James White > Age - 21 > Read/Write - None > Religion - Protestant > Single, Married, or Widowed - Married > Children - 2 Female > Native Place - Sussex > Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps > Offence - Stealing grain > Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions > When Tried - 17 October 1831 > Sentence - 7 Years > Former Conviction - None > Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches > Complexion - Fair ruddy > Hair - Brown > Eyes - Chestnut > Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye > > > > Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 > Sussex > On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of > the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... > On Monday the following prisoners were tried... > James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons > of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' > transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four > shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft > > > > This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to > do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the > following: > > > > Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co > nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on > some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were > listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers > or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least > 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers > in Van Diemen's Land. > > > > A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names > were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would > have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record > for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at > least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. > > > > As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be > further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - > to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW > but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the > information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year > given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the > idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to > going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George > Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in > 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of > the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't > found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps > they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I > have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW > in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: > > > > White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. > > > > Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Kind regards > > Karen Kestigian > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people on Frances/Fanny!.. Good luck with it... Dawn -----Original Message----- From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage Dear Dawn, Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family interpretation. Thank you for your interest. Cheers Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal Frances? > If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. > My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child of > hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a few > months later to Frances. > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM > To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear List Members, > > > > Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my > great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: > > > > My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex > England > > Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) > > Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer > > Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 > > Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England > > > > Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in > Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex > England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. > > > > Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. > > > > On James White is the following: > > > > New South Wales 1832 > List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 > August 1832 > > Indent No. 151 > James White > Age - 21 > Read/Write - None > Religion - Protestant > Single, Married, or Widowed - Married > Children - 2 Female > Native Place - Sussex > Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps > Offence - Stealing grain > Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions > When Tried - 17 October 1831 > Sentence - 7 Years > Former Conviction - None > Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches > Complexion - Fair ruddy > Hair - Brown > Eyes - Chestnut > Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye > > > > Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 > Sussex > On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of > the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... > On Monday the following prisoners were tried... > James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons > of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' > transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four > shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft > > > > This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to > do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the > following: > > > > Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co > nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on > some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were > listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers > or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least > 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers > in Van Diemen's Land. > > > > A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names > were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would > have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record > for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at > least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. > > > > As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be > further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - > to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW > but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the > information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year > given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the > idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to > going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George > Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in > 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of > the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't > found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps > they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I > have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW > in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: > > > > White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. > > > > Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Kind regards > > Karen Kestigian > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Dawn, What is interesting is my g grandmother was actually christened Fanny as that is what is recorded. When she has her first child she uses Frances. I think too Fanny was very much an endearing interpretation of the name particularly for a child. I was the youngest and always called Biddy as a child and later - as a term of endearment in the Irish sense. But yes Frances and Fanny are one and the same. Perhaps too it may have distinguished between The male Francis and female Frances. Whatever the reason it was very popular in the 1800s as I have discovered in my search for g grandmother Fanny/Frances White. Happy Easter. Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 8:41 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people > on Frances/Fanny!.. > > Good luck with it... Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear Dawn, > Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. > Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family > interpretation. > Thank you for your interest. > Cheers Karen > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal > Frances? >> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. >> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child > of >> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a > few >> months later to Frances. >> >> Dawn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear List Members, >> >> >> >> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around > my >> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >> >> >> >> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex >> England >> >> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >> >> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >> >> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >> >> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >> >> >> >> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum > in >> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex >> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >> >> >> >> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >> >> >> >> On James White is the following: >> >> >> >> New South Wales 1832 >> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >> August 1832 >> >> Indent No. 151 >> James White >> Age - 21 >> Read/Write - None >> Religion - Protestant >> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >> Children - 2 Female >> Native Place - Sussex >> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >> Offence - Stealing grain >> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >> Sentence - 7 Years >> Former Conviction - None >> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >> Complexion - Fair ruddy >> Hair - Brown >> Eyes - Chestnut >> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red > eye >> >> >> >> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >> Sussex >> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of >> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons >> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of > four >> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >> >> >> >> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to >> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >> following: >> >> >> >> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on > the >> > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and > on >> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families > were >> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state > numbers >> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at > least >> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and > fathers >> in Van Diemen's Land. >> >> >> >> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would >> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original > record >> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >> >> >> >> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >> further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes > - >> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in > NSW >> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the > year >> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the >> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to > George >> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in >> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of >> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? > Perhaps >> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what > I >> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in > NSW >> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >> >> >> >> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >> >> >> >> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Karen Kestigian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Biddy is a nice name and yes, term of endearment. Short for Bridget I have always thought - but, Karen?? Do you still get Biddy in the family? -----Original Message----- From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 7:50 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage Dear Dawn, What is interesting is my g grandmother was actually christened Fanny as that is what is recorded. When she has her first child she uses Frances. I think too Fanny was very much an endearing interpretation of the name particularly for a child. I was the youngest and always called Biddy as a child and later - as a term of endearment in the Irish sense. But yes Frances and Fanny are one and the same. Perhaps too it may have distinguished between The male Francis and female Frances. Whatever the reason it was very popular in the 1800s as I have discovered in my search for g grandmother Fanny/Frances White. Happy Easter. Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 8:41 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people > on Frances/Fanny!.. > > Good luck with it... Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear Dawn, > Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. > Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family > interpretation. > Thank you for your interest. > Cheers Karen > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal > Frances? >> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. >> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child > of >> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a > few >> months later to Frances. >> >> Dawn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear List Members, >> >> >> >> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around > my >> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >> >> >> >> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex >> England >> >> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >> >> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >> >> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >> >> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >> >> >> >> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum > in >> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex >> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >> >> >> >> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >> >> >> >> On James White is the following: >> >> >> >> New South Wales 1832 >> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >> August 1832 >> >> Indent No. 151 >> James White >> Age - 21 >> Read/Write - None >> Religion - Protestant >> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >> Children - 2 Female >> Native Place - Sussex >> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >> Offence - Stealing grain >> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >> Sentence - 7 Years >> Former Conviction - None >> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >> Complexion - Fair ruddy >> Hair - Brown >> Eyes - Chestnut >> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red > eye >> >> >> >> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >> Sussex >> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of >> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons >> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of > four >> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >> >> >> >> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to >> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >> following: >> >> >> >> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on > the >> > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and > on >> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families > were >> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state > numbers >> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at > least >> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and > fathers >> in Van Diemen's Land. >> >> >> >> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would >> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original > record >> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >> >> >> >> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >> further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes > - >> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in > NSW >> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the > year >> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the >> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to > George >> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in >> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of >> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? > Perhaps >> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what > I >> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in > NSW >> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >> >> >> >> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >> >> >> >> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Karen Kestigian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes I do .....the Irish also used it is a right little Biddy! That may be a comment about me!! Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Apr 2019, at 11:42 am, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Biddy is a nice name and yes, term of endearment. Short for Bridget I have > always thought - but, Karen?? Do you still get Biddy in the family? > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 7:50 AM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear Dawn, > What is interesting is my g grandmother was actually christened Fanny as > that is what is recorded. When she has her first child she uses Frances. I > think too Fanny was very much an endearing interpretation of the name > particularly for a child. I was the youngest and always called Biddy as a > child and later - as a term of endearment in the Irish sense. > > But yes Frances and Fanny are one and the same. Perhaps too it may have > distinguished between The male Francis and female Frances. Whatever the > reason it was very popular in the 1800s as I have discovered in my search > for g grandmother Fanny/Frances White. > Happy Easter. > Karen > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 20 Apr 2019, at 8:41 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people >> on Frances/Fanny!.. >> >> Good luck with it... Dawn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM >> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear Dawn, >> Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. >> Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family >> interpretation. >> Thank you for your interest. >> Cheers Karen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal >> Frances? >>> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - > DON'T. >>> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child >> of >>> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a >> few >>> months later to Frances. >>> >>> Dawn >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >>> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around >> my >>> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >>> >>> >>> >>> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, > Sussex >>> England >>> >>> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >>> >>> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >>> >>> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >>> >>> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >>> >>> >>> >>> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum >> in >>> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, > Sussex >>> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >>> >>> >>> >>> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >>> >>> >>> >>> On James White is the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> New South Wales 1832 >>> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >>> August 1832 >>> >>> Indent No. 151 >>> James White >>> Age - 21 >>> Read/Write - None >>> Religion - Protestant >>> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >>> Children - 2 Female >>> Native Place - Sussex >>> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >>> Offence - Stealing grain >>> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >>> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >>> Sentence - 7 Years >>> Former Conviction - None >>> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >>> Complexion - Fair ruddy >>> Hair - Brown >>> Eyes - Chestnut >>> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red >> eye >>> >>> >>> >>> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >>> Sussex >>> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of >>> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >>> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >>> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four > gallons >>> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >>> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of >> four >>> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >>> >>> >>> >>> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything > to >>> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >>> following: >>> >>> >>> >>> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on >> the >>> >> > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >>> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and >> on >>> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families >> were >>> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state >> numbers >>> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at >> least >>> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and >> fathers >>> in Van Diemen's Land. >>> >>> >>> >>> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >>> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would >>> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original >> record >>> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >>> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >>> >>> >>> >>> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >>> further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes >> - >>> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in >> NSW >>> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >>> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the >> year >>> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the >>> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >>> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to >> George >>> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) > in >>> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia > of >>> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >>> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? >> Perhaps >>> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From > what >> I >>> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in >> NSW >>> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Karen Kestigian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

That is a way of using it that never was known to me! -----Original Message----- From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 2:09 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage Yes I do .....the Irish also used it is a right little Biddy! That may be a comment about me!! Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Apr 2019, at 11:42 am, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Biddy is a nice name and yes, term of endearment. Short for Bridget I have > always thought - but, Karen?? Do you still get Biddy in the family? > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 7:50 AM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear Dawn, > What is interesting is my g grandmother was actually christened Fanny as > that is what is recorded. When she has her first child she uses Frances. I > think too Fanny was very much an endearing interpretation of the name > particularly for a child. I was the youngest and always called Biddy as a > child and later - as a term of endearment in the Irish sense. > > But yes Frances and Fanny are one and the same. Perhaps too it may have > distinguished between The male Francis and female Frances. Whatever the > reason it was very popular in the 1800s as I have discovered in my search > for g grandmother Fanny/Frances White. > Happy Easter. > Karen > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 20 Apr 2019, at 8:41 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people >> on Frances/Fanny!.. >> >> Good luck with it... Dawn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM >> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear Dawn, >> Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. >> Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family >> interpretation. >> Thank you for your interest. >> Cheers Karen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal >> Frances? >>> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - > DON'T. >>> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child >> of >>> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a >> few >>> months later to Frances. >>> >>> Dawn >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >>> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around >> my >>> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >>> >>> >>> >>> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, > Sussex >>> England >>> >>> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >>> >>> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >>> >>> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >>> >>> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >>> >>> >>> >>> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum >> in >>> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, > Sussex >>> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >>> >>> >>> >>> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >>> >>> >>> >>> On James White is the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> New South Wales 1832 >>> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >>> August 1832 >>> >>> Indent No. 151 >>> James White >>> Age - 21 >>> Read/Write - None >>> Religion - Protestant >>> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >>> Children - 2 Female >>> Native Place - Sussex >>> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >>> Offence - Stealing grain >>> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >>> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >>> Sentence - 7 Years >>> Former Conviction - None >>> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >>> Complexion - Fair ruddy >>> Hair - Brown >>> Eyes - Chestnut >>> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red >> eye >>> >>> >>> >>> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >>> Sussex >>> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of >>> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >>> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >>> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four > gallons >>> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >>> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of >> four >>> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >>> >>> >>> >>> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything > to >>> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >>> following: >>> >>> >>> >>> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on >> the >>> >> > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >>> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and >> on >>> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families >> were >>> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state >> numbers >>> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at >> least >>> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and >> fathers >>> in Van Diemen's Land. >>> >>> >>> >>> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >>> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would >>> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original >> record >>> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >>> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >>> >>> >>> >>> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >>> further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes >> - >>> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in >> NSW >>> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >>> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the >> year >>> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the >>> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >>> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to >> George >>> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) > in >>> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia > of >>> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >>> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? >> Perhaps >>> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From > what >> I >>> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in >> NSW >>> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Karen Kestigian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Oh well family’s have oddities - Mother would always tell my eldest sister - you see to Biddy! Often when Mother wasn’t happy with meeeee! Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Apr 2019, at 7:39 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > That is a way of using it that never was known to me! > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 2:09 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Yes I do .....the Irish also used it is a right little Biddy! That may be a > comment about me!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 21 Apr 2019, at 11:42 am, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Biddy is a nice name and yes, term of endearment. Short for Bridget I > have >> always thought - but, Karen?? Do you still get Biddy in the family? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 7:50 AM >> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear Dawn, >> What is interesting is my g grandmother was actually christened Fanny as >> that is what is recorded. When she has her first child she uses Frances. I >> think too Fanny was very much an endearing interpretation of the name >> particularly for a child. I was the youngest and always called Biddy as a >> child and later - as a term of endearment in the Irish sense. >> >> But yes Frances and Fanny are one and the same. Perhaps too it may have >> distinguished between The male Francis and female Frances. Whatever the >> reason it was very popular in the 1800s as I have discovered in my search >> for g grandmother Fanny/Frances White. >> Happy Easter. >> Karen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 8:41 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several > people >>> on Frances/Fanny!.. >>> >>> Good luck with it... Dawn >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM >>> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>> >>> Dear Dawn, >>> Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. >>> Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family >>> interpretation. >>> Thank you for your interest. >>> Cheers Karen >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal >>> Frances? >>>> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - >> DON'T. >>>> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child >>> of >>>> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a >>> few >>>> months later to Frances. >>>> >>>> Dawn >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >>>> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>>> >>>> Dear List Members, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around >>> my >>>> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, >> Sussex >>>> England >>>> >>>> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >>>> >>>> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >>>> >>>> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >>>> >>>> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute > Asylum >>> in >>>> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, >> Sussex >>>> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On James White is the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New South Wales 1832 >>>> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >>>> August 1832 >>>> >>>> Indent No. 151 >>>> James White >>>> Age - 21 >>>> Read/Write - None >>>> Religion - Protestant >>>> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >>>> Children - 2 Female >>>> Native Place - Sussex >>>> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >>>> Offence - Stealing grain >>>> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >>>> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >>>> Sentence - 7 Years >>>> Former Conviction - None >>>> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >>>> Complexion - Fair ruddy >>>> Hair - Brown >>>> Eyes - Chestnut >>>> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red >>> eye >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >>>> Sussex >>>> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division > of >>>> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >>>> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >>>> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four >> gallons >>>> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >>>> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of >>> four >>>> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything >> to >>>> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >>>> following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on >>> the >>>> >>> >> > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >>>> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and >>> on >>>> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families >>> were >>>> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state >>> numbers >>>> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at >>> least >>>> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and >>> fathers >>>> in Van Diemen's Land. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >>>> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record > would >>>> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original >>> record >>>> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >>>> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >>>> further records of them being placed either in factories or private > homes >>> - >>>> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in >>> NSW >>>> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >>>> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the >>> year >>>> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with > the >>>> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >>>> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to >>> George >>>> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) >> in >>>> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia >> of >>>> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >>>> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? >>> Perhaps >>>> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From >> what >>> I >>>> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in >>> NSW >>>> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Karen Kestigian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by 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I remember my Grandmother referring to someone as a "right little Biddy” Also a great Aunt was known as Biddy although her name was Ruby Edna Enid - she was the youngest child. Cheers Robin Gray > On 21 Apr 2019, at 7:39 PM, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > That is a way of using it that never was known to me! > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 2:09 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Yes I do .....the Irish also used it is a right little Biddy! That may be a > comment about me!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 21 Apr 2019, at 11:42 am, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Biddy is a nice name and yes, term of endearment. Short for Bridget I > have >> always thought - but, Karen?? Do you still get Biddy in the family? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2019 7:50 AM >> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear Dawn, >> What is interesting is my g grandmother was actually christened Fanny as >> that is what is recorded. When she has her first child she uses Frances. I >> think too Fanny was very much an endearing interpretation of the name >> particularly for a child. I was the youngest and always called Biddy as a >> child and later - as a term of endearment in the Irish sense. >> >> But yes Frances and Fanny are one and the same. Perhaps too it may have >> distinguished between The male Francis and female Frances. Whatever the >> reason it was very popular in the 1800s as I have discovered in my search >> for g grandmother Fanny/Frances White. >> Happy Easter. >> Karen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 8:41 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several > people >>> on Frances/Fanny!.. >>> >>> Good luck with it... Dawn >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM >>> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>> >>> Dear Dawn, >>> Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. >>> Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family >>> interpretation. >>> Thank you for your interest. >>> Cheers Karen >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal >>> Frances? >>>> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - >> DON'T. >>>> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child >>> of >>>> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a >>> few >>>> months later to Frances. >>>> >>>> Dawn >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >>>> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>>> >>>> Dear List Members, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around >>> my >>>> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, >> Sussex >>>> England >>>> >>>> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >>>> >>>> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >>>> >>>> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >>>> >>>> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute > Asylum >>> in >>>> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, >> Sussex >>>> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On James White is the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New South Wales 1832 >>>> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >>>> August 1832 >>>> >>>> Indent No. 151 >>>> James White >>>> Age - 21 >>>> Read/Write - None >>>> Religion - Protestant >>>> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >>>> Children - 2 Female >>>> Native Place - Sussex >>>> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >>>> Offence - Stealing grain >>>> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >>>> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >>>> Sentence - 7 Years >>>> Former Conviction - None >>>> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >>>> Complexion - Fair ruddy >>>> Hair - Brown >>>> Eyes - Chestnut >>>> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red >>> eye >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >>>> Sussex >>>> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division > of >>>> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >>>> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >>>> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four >> gallons >>>> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >>>> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of >>> four >>>> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything >> to >>>> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >>>> following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on >>> the >>>> >>> >> > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >>>> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and >>> on >>>> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families >>> were >>>> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state >>> numbers >>>> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at >>> least >>>> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and >>> fathers >>>> in Van Diemen's Land. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >>>> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record > would >>>> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original >>> record >>>> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >>>> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >>>> further records of them being placed either in factories or private > homes >>> - >>>> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in >>> NSW >>>> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >>>> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the >>> year >>>> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with > the >>>> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >>>> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to >>> George >>>> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) >> in >>>> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia >> of >>>> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >>>> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? >>> Perhaps >>>> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From >> what >>> I >>>> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in >>> NSW >>>> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Karen Kestigian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by 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My mother and great grandmother were both Fanny but someone managed to change the latter to Frances in one book I have seen. cheers Sally Steel in Toowoomba On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 20:43, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people > on Frances/Fanny!.. > > Good luck with it... Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear Dawn, > Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. > Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family > interpretation. > Thank you for your interest. > Cheers Karen > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal > Frances? > > If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - > DON'T. > > My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child > of > > hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a > few > > months later to Frances. > > > > Dawn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM > > To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around > my > > great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: > > > > > > > > My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, > Sussex > > England > > > > Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) > > > > Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer > > > > Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 > > > > Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England > > > > > > > > Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum > in > > Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, > Sussex > > England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. > > > > > > > > Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. > > > > > > > > On James White is the following: > > > > > > > > New South Wales 1832 > > List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 > > August 1832 > > > > Indent No. 151 > > James White > > Age - 21 > > Read/Write - None > > Religion - Protestant > > Single, Married, or Widowed - Married > > Children - 2 Female > > Native Place - Sussex > > Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps > > Offence - Stealing grain > > Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions > > When Tried - 17 October 1831 > > Sentence - 7 Years > > Former Conviction - None > > Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches > > Complexion - Fair ruddy > > Hair - Brown > > Eyes - Chestnut > > Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red > eye > > > > > > > > Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 > > Sussex > > On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of > > the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... > > On Monday the following prisoners were tried... > > James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four > gallons > > of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' > > transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of > four > > shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft > > > > > > > > This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything > to > > do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the > > following: > > > > > > > > Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on > the > > > < > http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co > > nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and > on > > some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families > were > > listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state > numbers > > or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at > least > > 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and > fathers > > in Van Diemen's Land. > > > > > > > > A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names > > were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would > > have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original > record > > for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at > > least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. > > > > > > > > As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be > > further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes > - > > to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in > NSW > > but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the > > information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the > year > > given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the > > idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to > > going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to > George > > Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) > in > > 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia > of > > the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't > > found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? > Perhaps > > they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From > what > I > > have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in > NSW > > in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: > > > > > > > > White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Karen Kestigian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Sally, That seems to the trend with tahat name - it is interchangeable. Happy Easter Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Apr 2019, at 8:36 am, Sally Steel <steels08@gmail.com> wrote: > > My mother and great grandmother were both Fanny but someone managed to > change the latter to > Frances in one book I have seen. > cheers > Sally Steel in Toowoomba > >> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 20:43, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people >> on Frances/Fanny!.. >> >> Good luck with it... Dawn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM >> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >> >> Dear Dawn, >> Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. >> Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family >> interpretation. >> Thank you for your interest. >> Cheers Karen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal >> Frances? >>> If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - >> DON'T. >>> My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child >> of >>> hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a >> few >>> months later to Frances. >>> >>> Dawn >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] >>> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM >>> To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage >>> >>> Dear List Members, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around >> my >>> great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: >>> >>> >>> >>> My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, >> Sussex >>> England >>> >>> Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) >>> >>> Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer >>> >>> Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 >>> >>> Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England >>> >>> >>> >>> Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum >> in >>> Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, >> Sussex >>> England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. >>> >>> >>> >>> Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. >>> >>> >>> >>> On James White is the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> New South Wales 1832 >>> List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 >>> August 1832 >>> >>> Indent No. 151 >>> James White >>> Age - 21 >>> Read/Write - None >>> Religion - Protestant >>> Single, Married, or Widowed - Married >>> Children - 2 Female >>> Native Place - Sussex >>> Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps >>> Offence - Stealing grain >>> Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions >>> When Tried - 17 October 1831 >>> Sentence - 7 Years >>> Former Conviction - None >>> Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches >>> Complexion - Fair ruddy >>> Hair - Brown >>> Eyes - Chestnut >>> Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red >> eye >>> >>> >>> >>> Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 >>> Sussex >>> On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of >>> the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... >>> On Monday the following prisoners were tried... >>> James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four >> gallons >>> of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' >>> transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of >> four >>> shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft >>> >>> >>> >>> This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything >> to >>> do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the >>> following: >>> >>> >>> >>> Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on >> the >>> >> < >> http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co >>> nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and >> on >>> some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families >> were >>> listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state >> numbers >>> or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at >> least >>> 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and >> fathers >>> in Van Diemen's Land. >>> >>> >>> >>> A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names >>> were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would >>> have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original >> record >>> for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at >>> least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. >>> >>> >>> >>> As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be >>> further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes >> - >>> to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in >> NSW >>> but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the >>> information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the >> year >>> given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the >>> idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to >>> going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to >> George >>> Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) >> in >>> 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia >> of >>> the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't >>> found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? >> Perhaps >>> they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From >> what >> I >>> have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in >> NSW >>> in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Karen Kestigian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >>> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community