Doug, on reading his convict records, I note that he is described in 1820 on the ship Castle Forbes list as being 5' 9 1/2" tall which makes him above-average height for the times and in the remarks he is described as "Quiet" .... is there not an old adage about being wary of the quiet ones? provides a contrast with his Convict Record wherein he seems to have repeatedly been in conflict with authority...doing what he wanted as opposed to following the rules of his contract There is a Will listed in the index for the year 1837, Will number 140 on page 272 Document ID 636932 (AD960/1/1) and perhaps that might shed some more light on John Lamph as a person (unfortunately, the image would not load for me this morning) I have images of his convict records and could email to you direct if you wish and will send me your address cheers, elaine TAS descendant in Reno, Nevada On Saturday, January 3, 2015 7:12 PM, Graeme & Wynnette Ford via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Doug, Sound very much like to me that he was advertising he would participate publicly in a bare knuckle fight. (Possibly he was hoping to make some money for himself.) These fights were often illegal, but extremely popular with both ordinary and aristocratic persons. So it would seem there was so much interest in the fight (and probably a significant amount of betting involved) a massive crowd assembled. They then possibly became more like a mob, "terrifying" the ordinary citizens, especially as it states that there were "several thousand convicts". That in itself would be enough to severely worry the local law in 1822, of whom there may not have been that many. Unless there is possibly a newspaper of the time surviving (though it might be worth re-checking), it may have only been fully described on his record. Regards, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doug Hille via Sent: Sunday, 4 January 2015 8:39 AM To: AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Convict Constable John Lamph Thanks to Douglas Burberry I’ve been able to piece together some more information about my ggg grandfather, John Lamph. He was in continual trouble after he arrived, receiving a total of about 200 lashes for various misdemeanours. Years ago I was in Hobart and found the following about him on microfiche in the library. "7/3/1822 Causing to be made known he would publicly fight and thereby inducing several thousand convicts and other persons illegally to assemble together causing a great affray to the terror of King George III's subjects by publicly fighting - Disobedience of the orders and contempt of the authority of the Superintendent of Police - 50 lashes and to work for two months in the Gaol Gang.” I’ve never been able to find out what this was all about. I’ve searched Trove, but to no avail. Can anybody help me? Regards, Doug Hille in Geelong. Researching Lamph, Whitchurch, Peck, Price, Nunn, Argent, Hayward, Fewtrell, Kearley, Frost, ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4257/8864 - Release Date: 01/03/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4257/8864 - Release Date: 01/03/15 ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Doug, did a bit more digging and seems the key word from his convict record is "affray" which was later defined in the English Criminal Code Bill of 1880 (cl. 96 section 72) as: "Any person who takes part in a fight in a public place, or takes part in a fight of such a nature as to alarm the public in any other place to which the public have access, commits a misdemeanour. Maximum penalty—1 year’s imprisonment." The following article in Trove from 1825 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37072204 Serious Affray There are also a number of articles relating to the disgraceful behaviour of a public official for engaging in a street brawl. similar articles in the 1820s can be found in Trove by searching "affray" but, as you say, no mention of the one you describe involving John Lamph. There are also a number of articles relating to the disgraceful behaviour of a public official for engaging in a street brawl, such behavior not being viewed as appropriate for a civilized society. cheers, elaine TAS Descendant in Reno, Nevada On Sunday, January 4, 2015 6:34 AM, Elaine Hanford via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: Doug, on reading his convict records, I note that he is described in 1820 on the ship Castle Forbes list as being 5' 9 1/2" tall which makes him above-average height for the times and in the remarks he is described as "Quiet" .... is there not an old adage about being wary of the quiet ones? provides a contrast with his Convict Record wherein he seems to have repeatedly been in conflict with authority...doing what he wanted as opposed to following the rules of his contract There is a Will listed in the index for the year 1837, Will number 140 on page 272 Document ID 636932 (AD960/1/1) and perhaps that might shed some more light on John Lamph as a person (unfortunately, the image would not load for me this morning) I have images of his convict records and could email to you direct if you wish and will send me your address cheers, elaine TAS descendant in Reno, Nevada On Saturday, January 3, 2015 7:12 PM, Graeme & Wynnette Ford via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Doug, Sound very much like to me that he was advertising he would participate publicly in a bare knuckle fight. (Possibly he was hoping to make some money for himself.) These fights were often illegal, but extremely popular with both ordinary and aristocratic persons. So it would seem there was so much interest in the fight (and probably a significant amount of betting involved) a massive crowd assembled. They then possibly became more like a mob, "terrifying" the ordinary citizens, especially as it states that there were "several thousand convicts". That in itself would be enough to severely worry the local law in 1822, of whom there may not have been that many. Unless there is possibly a newspaper of the time surviving (though it might be worth re-checking), it may have only been fully described on his record. Regards, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doug Hille via Sent: Sunday, 4 January 2015 8:39 AM To: AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Convict Constable John Lamph Thanks to Douglas Burberry I’ve been able to piece together some more information about my ggg grandfather, John Lamph. He was in continual trouble after he arrived, receiving a total of about 200 lashes for various misdemeanours. Years ago I was in Hobart and found the following about him on microfiche in the library. "7/3/1822 Causing to be made known he would publicly fight and thereby inducing several thousand convicts and other persons illegally to assemble together causing a great affray to the terror of King George III's subjects by publicly fighting - Disobedience of the orders and contempt of the authority of the Superintendent of Police - 50 lashes and to work for two months in the Gaol Gang.” I’ve never been able to find out what this was all about. I’ve searched Trove, but to no avail. Can anybody help me? Regards, Doug Hille in Geelong. Researching Lamph, Whitchurch, Peck, Price, Nunn, Argent, Hayward, Fewtrell, Kearley, Frost, ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4257/8864 - Release Date: 01/03/15 ----- No virus found in this message. 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