On 18-Apr-19 8:47 AM, Maree Ring wrote: > Hi folks, > > from the ABC "Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who > is buried there?" > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/curious-hobart-oldest-graves-tasmania/11019736?fbclid=IwAR18FX-ORRGl6pET1v8Umwiv716XX2Hz1ZmoAlv6WPhj26KMg0C_F1E75Wg > A good article there Maree, but I half expected to see mention of James Batchelor's gravesite at Taroona, and his death on Jan 28th 1810. It's amazing really that this grave still exists, being so close to the beach and the high water mark. But I guess the Mercury's journalistic research budget and dead-lines don't match up. Cheers - Dave Cripps -- David Cripps | cripps_nbn@iinet.net.au Hobart, Tasmania

Hi folks, from the ABC "Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there?" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/curious-hobart-oldest-graves-tasmania/11019736?fbclid=IwAR18FX-ORRGl6pET1v8Umwiv716XX2Hz1ZmoAlv6WPhj26KMg0C_F1E75Wg Cheers,  Maree

Hi List, A few days ago I replied, saying one of my Nicholas ancestors was involved with what is now the Nant distillery. Until now I hadn't been able to revisit and restart my family history investigations, so I can only post this brief explanation My 5x maternal Great Grandparents were George Nicholas = Rebecca Watkins (Grosmont area, Wales) Of their three known sons, the oldest (George, born c1762) remained in Wales My 4x maternal GGp - the middle son, William born c1766 Wales came to VDL The youngest son, Edward born c1768 Wales, came to VDL aboard the /Grace/ in 1821 and it is through him that there are a number of locations and buildings in the Bothwell area associated with 'Nant', reflecting the the family's Welsh heritage. If I recall, it was Edward who built the Nant mill, now the distillery. My 3x GGp is George, son of William, and nephew of Edward. I think George became associated mainly with New Norfolk. Several of my separate ancestral 'lines' had arrived in VDL quite early in the 1800s, so I'll dust off my files and do a roll call soon. Helen

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HI Lorraine and everyone Thanks very much for sharing all of this fascinating information I think it would be great to construct a table or time-line that lists types of production from all "VDL" era 'land granted' properties through to the present . * My interest is in listing all the products (beverages,foods, etc) that use their actual property names in their product names and specifically those names that were instituted pre 1840. Julie On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 12:35, Lorraine Wootton <lorraine.w@iinet.net.au> wrote: > In answer to Julie's request, I have to ask what qualifies a property as > 'historic'? > > I believe most of the Pipers Brook & Pipers River Vineyards would be very > early properties in the area that was later known as Lower Piper (Upper > Piper was around Lilydale). > > Some I can identify are below: > > "Bay of Fires" Vineyard, Baxter's Rd, Pipers River is on the property known > as "Idlewild". The vineyard was initially named "Rochecombe", then "Ninth > Island". > > It was one of the earlier properties in this area and owned by Charles > Adams (b. 1834) from the 1850s. > > "Leura" Vineyard - "Leura" property was for sale or lease from David > Ritchie > in 1855 > > Almost certain the "Dalrymple" Vineyard at Pipers Brook is on part of the > "Wave Crest" property owned by Counsel family. > "Wave Crest" was used as a label for some of the "Ninth Island" wines a > few > years back, but that wasn't the same property. > > A great online reference is: > A History of the Tasmanian Wine Industry > Anthony Walker, B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed. Admin. > Sub. for the Degree of Master of > Arts > University of Tasmania April 2012 > > https://eprints.utas.edu.au/14809/2/whole-walker-thesis-2012.pdf > > An interesting topic....Lorraine > > > >

In answer to Julie's request, I have to ask what qualifies a property as 'historic'? I believe most of the Pipers Brook & Pipers River Vineyards would be very early properties in the area that was later known as Lower Piper (Upper Piper was around Lilydale). Some I can identify are below: "Bay of Fires" Vineyard, Baxter's Rd, Pipers River is on the property known as "Idlewild". The vineyard was initially named "Rochecombe", then "Ninth Island". It was one of the earlier properties in this area and owned by Charles Adams (b. 1834) from the 1850s. "Leura" Vineyard - "Leura" property was for sale or lease from David Ritchie in 1855 Almost certain the "Dalrymple" Vineyard at Pipers Brook is on part of the "Wave Crest" property owned by Counsel family. "Wave Crest" was used as a label for some of the "Ninth Island" wines a few years back, but that wasn't the same property. A great online reference is: A History of the Tasmanian Wine Industry Anthony Walker, B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed. Admin. Sub. for the Degree of Master of Arts University of Tasmania April 2012 https://eprints.utas.edu.au/14809/2/whole-walker-thesis-2012.pdf An interesting topic....Lorraine

Meryl, many thanks for sharing this link. I hadn't seen images of the main house of Roseneath till this article My 3x great grandfather William Wathen was one of the convicts assigned to James Austin when William arrived in Hobart Town in 1818. He remained in James Austin's employ until the latter's death on the 2nd of January 1832. Following Austin's death, his housekeeper Hannah Garrett was given Life Rent of all his properties and estate, then following her death, the entire estate went to his two nephews Solomon and Josiah Austin. Even though Wm Wathen gained his Conditional Pardon in June 1832, he remained in the employ of the nephews, on their property "Tor Hill" on the Ouse River south of Bothwell, until at least 1837. Thanks Louise Gibson On 13/04/2019 6:02 pm, aus-tasmania-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 08:37:21 +1000 > From: "Meryl Yost"<merylp@tasfamily.net.au> > Subject: [AUS-Tas] James Austin convict - Austins Ferry - ABC News > article > To:<AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com> > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-13/history-of-hobarts-austins-ferry-and- > cottage/10967230 > > regards, > Meryl Yost

Julie, perhaps we are included? Our vineyard is on the property Bridestowe Ridge, overlooking the site of the first Bridestowe lavender farm at North Lilydale, not to be confused with the modern "Bridestowe Estate" lavender at Nabowla. Regards, Harry Rigney The Ridge North Lilydale www.theridgenorthlilydale.com -----Original Message----- From: aus-tasmania-request@rootsweb.com <aus-tasmania-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 6:02 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-TASMANIA Digest, Vol 14, Issue 125 Send AUS-TASMANIA mailing list submissions to aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to aus-tasmania-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to aus-tasmania-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at aus-tasmania-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AUS-TASMANIA digest..." AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Information Page http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Today's Topics: 1. Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST (Julie Gough) 2. Re: Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST (sweston2@bigpond.com) 3. Re: CECIL HEDLEY SALMON born 1876 at Oatlands (Julia Crawley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 20:08:16 +1000 From: Julie Gough <juliegoughtasmania@gmail.com> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST To: AUS-Tasmania <AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAEUc-gT+ZHr_0oxCT0N1tofEE0umTgpPu0tQr62tbRjgD7KUmw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Aus-Tas listers I am compiling a list of wineries / distilleries on historic estates in Tasmania - see below. Are these all / actual historic 'properties' + (historic) names ? + can you add = reply all - any that are missing from this list. Many thanks Julie Bangor Wine Shed Belgrove Craigie Knowe Vineyard Craigow Vineyard Darlington Vineyard Gala Estate Iron House Kelvedon Estate Kinvarra Laurel Bank Lawrenny Estate Distilling Milton Vineyard Nant Distillery Priory Ridge Redlands Estate Relbia Estate Riversdale Estate Shene Estate and Distillery Spring Bay Distillery Spring Vale Vineyard Stoney Rise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 20:20:34 +0000 From: <sweston2@bigpond.com> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com>, AUS-Tasmania <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F540C8674F31D74A.444F55BC-FDC4-46A3-B79B-34AC10587C0A@mai l.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Julie, my William Newnham was involved with Tooth’s Brewery in NSW & also in partnership with his brother Charles in the Woodstock Brewery at Jamberoo NSW. They then moved to Tasmania & William had a property called ‘Lowlands’ ain the outskirts of Richmond. The family have a long history back in England of brewing & they also operated a lot of mills both in England & Tasmania. Just wondered if you may have come across any connection to them in the brewing game in Tasmania. There is a. Dry well written price about their brewing interests if you google Newnham Brothers it will come up. Very interesting as Laurel Bank rings a bell.Happy hunting Susanne. Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:08 PM +1000, "Julie Gough" <juliegoughtasmania@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Aus-Tas listers I am compiling a list of wineries / distilleries on historic estates in Tasmania - see below. Are these all / actual historic 'properties' + (historic) names ? + can you add = reply all - any that are missing from this list. Many thanks Julie Bangor Wine Shed Belgrove Craigie Knowe Vineyard Craigow Vineyard Darlington Vineyard Gala Estate Iron House Kelvedon Estate Kinvarra Laurel Bank Lawrenny Estate Distilling Milton Vineyard Nant Distillery Priory Ridge Redlands Estate Relbia Estate Riversdale Estate Shene Estate and Distillery Spring Bay Distillery Spring Vale Vineyard Stoney Rise _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 05:18:27 +0800 From: Julia Crawley <jmcc21@bigpond.com> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: CECIL HEDLEY SALMON born 1876 at Oatlands To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000801d4efe2$f10e98a0$d32bc9e0$@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you Peter for that information re Clara Salmon having a draper's shop in Launceston which I didn't know. So whether the children went to school in Launceston or Oatlands I don't know. I found an ad in the Launceston Examiner in 1891 where Clara was selling her drapery and fittings two years after the birth of her youngest child. I will keep trying . Julia -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley [mailto:pete.j.oakley@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2019 9:09 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: CECIL HEDLEY SALMON born 1876 at Oatlands Clara Salmon is identified as having a Drapers shop in Charles Street, Launceston from 1883 and is identified in the 1892 PO directory as Mrs Jno Salmon, Milliner, 156 Charles Street, Launceston. John Salmon is also identified as Farmer in the 1889 birth of their child. So did Cecil go to one of the schools near Charles Street or was that only his mother's shop location and he actually went to a school near where the farm was? 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A very interesting article and i am distantly relAted to both of them so if anything elsE comes along even better Elaine On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:05 am Maree Ring <mareering@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for sharing, Meryl. > > Austin's cottage has recently changed hands. The new caretakers are > featured in this article but for the past, perhaps two decades at least, > Fiona Ramshaw was the caretaker of the property. It has been her care > that has kept the cottage in good order. > > Cheers, Maree > > On 13/04/2019 8:37 am, Meryl Yost wrote: > > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-13/history-of-hobarts-austins-ferry-and- > > cottage/10967230 > > > > regards, > > Meryl Yost > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Just a heads up for those in the north of the state Dear LHS members Don’t forget that the Launceston Historical Society meeting this month is a week earlier than usual – *this Sunday 14 April at 2pm!* *Maureen Martin Ferris* will be speaking on the colonial author and artist *Louisa Anne Meredith*. See the attached poster for more information. Louisa’s two books, *Some of my Bush Friends* *in Tasmania,* will be on sale for $45, the usual price is $65. The Glamorgan Spring Bay Historical Society reproduced the two volumes into one book in 2015. Maureen will be chatting on ABC Radio with Joel Rheinberger tomorrow morning – *Saturday 13 March at around 7.20am* or so. Bring some money on Sunday to buy tickets for our *bumper Easter raffle* – three prizes of Easter eggs are up for grabs. On *Monday night at 9pm Julian Burgess* will hopefully be heard on ABC Radio chatting about the history of *The Examiner* newspaper. -- love and light Kelli Schultz

Thanks for sharing, Meryl. Austin's cottage has recently changed hands. The new caretakers are featured in this article but for the past, perhaps two decades at least, Fiona Ramshaw was the caretaker of the property. It has been her care that has kept the cottage in good order. Cheers,  Maree On 13/04/2019 8:37 am, Meryl Yost wrote: > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-13/history-of-hobarts-austins-ferry-and- > cottage/10967230 > > regards, > Meryl Yost > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-13/history-of-hobarts-austins-ferry-and- cottage/10967230 regards, Meryl Yost

Rayburn Farm was first mentioned in newspapers in 1910. Maria Reardon, nee Ward (wife of Arthur George Reardon) purchased the first block of what became Rayburn in 1896; she paid 200 pounds for 200 acres, first granted to William Gunn in 1852. In 1900 she purchased an adjoining 274 acres off Percy Benjamin and the consolidated blocks became Rayburn. Still owned by descendants. Cheers Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Karlena Nagle <karltas@live.com.au> Sent: Friday, 12 April 2019 4:51 PM To: AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST Hi Julie, Nonesuch Distillery at Forcett is based on Rayburn Farm. Not sure if it is classed as historic but the farm has been in the one family for 6 generations. More details on the distillery at https://nonesuchdistillery.com.au/ they do Gin and Whisky. Regards Karlena PS. The owner of the distillery is a cousin and fellow genealogist. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Julie Gough <juliegoughtasmania@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 8:08:16 PM To: AUS-Tasmania Subject: [AUS-Tas] Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST Hi Aus-Tas listers I am compiling a list of wineries / distilleries on historic estates in Tasmania - see below. Are these all / actual historic 'properties' + (historic) names ? + can you add = reply all - any that are missing from this list. Many thanks Julie Bangor Wine Shed Belgrove Craigie Knowe Vineyard Craigow Vineyard Darlington Vineyard Gala Estate Iron House Kelvedon Estate Kinvarra Laurel Bank Lawrenny Estate Distilling Milton Vineyard Nant Distillery Priory Ridge Redlands Estate Relbia Estate Riversdale Estate Shene Estate and Distillery Spring Bay Distillery Spring Vale Vineyard Stoney Rise _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Julie, Nonesuch Distillery at Forcett is based on Rayburn Farm. Not sure if it is classed as historic but the farm has been in the one family for 6 generations. More details on the distillery at https://nonesuchdistillery.com.au/ they do Gin and Whisky. Regards Karlena PS. The owner of the distillery is a cousin and fellow genealogist. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Julie Gough <juliegoughtasmania@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 8:08:16 PM To: AUS-Tasmania Subject: [AUS-Tas] Wineries / Distilleries - on historic estates in Tasmania - PRELIMINARY LIST Hi Aus-Tas listers I am compiling a list of wineries / distilleries on historic estates in Tasmania - see below. Are these all / actual historic 'properties' + (historic) names ? + can you add = reply all - any that are missing from this list. Many thanks Julie Bangor Wine Shed Belgrove Craigie Knowe Vineyard Craigow Vineyard Darlington Vineyard Gala Estate Iron House Kelvedon Estate Kinvarra Laurel Bank Lawrenny Estate Distilling Milton Vineyard Nant Distillery Priory Ridge Redlands Estate Relbia Estate Riversdale Estate Shene Estate and Distillery Spring Bay Distillery Spring Vale Vineyard Stoney Rise _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

That would explain a lot... Just had a look at the marriage between Alfred and Millicent on 10 July 1926, St Andrews Presbyterian. Alfred Clifton stated he was born in London, England and his parents were George Allen ,Carpenter and Ada Allen (nee Pratt) Age 25, Occupation: Butcher. From an earlier email Robert you appear to already be aware of the UK link. Had a look in the Examiner for a death notice for Selina but nothing between the 15th to 21 Feb 2000 at all. Not even a funeral notice. Cheers, Peter On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:40 PM Robert Bellenger <rbellenger307@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Bob & Peter > Just found that Selina was the adopted daughter of William & Edith > Jacobson. Her nickname was Tean. > The obituary for William in 1949 has the following. > > Examiner (Launceston, Tas. : 1900 - 1954) Sat 20 Aug 1949 Page 4 > Chief mourners were Mrs.Jacobson (widow), Tean (adopted daughter), Mrs. H. > J. Stebbeings (mother-in-law), Messrs. Charles and Arthur Jacobson > (brothers), > > Cheers > Robert > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:05 PM Robert Bellenger <rbellenger307@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks Bob & Peter, >> Its all unraveling now! >> I got the UK connection thanks Bob. Alfred's sister Eva Kendrick arrived >> in 1957 with husband and daughter. Alfred obviously arrived before 1926 but >> haven't found which ship he arrived on. No Alfred and too many with just >> the initial A. I had thought that Selina may have been previously married >> since I could never find her on the ER. I have had correspondence with a >> couple of her nieces but none knew of any other marriage apart from that >> with Alfred... and they may have been even defacto as you say. >> Plenty to go on now. Thanks once again. >> Robert >> >> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:10:51 +1000 >> From: <splashpoole@yahoo.com.au> >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN >> To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <004101d4f05f$9d7f9310$d87eb930$@yahoo.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yes Peter, and Selina Martin Jacobson (Shop Assistant) is on the 1954 >> Electoral Roll at Youngtown along with Edith Annie Jacobson (Home Duties). >> Perhaps Selina married a Mr Jacobson who died and she then married Alfred >> Clifton Allen. >> >> Also, there is an Alfred Clifton Allen born about 1902 Kent, Greenwich, >> England. He is on the 1911 census as a 9 yr old grandson of Alfred 64 and >> Anna 62 Allen. Along with another grandson George Enos Allen 15 and a >> granddaughter Eva Maude Allen 5. >> Also there is Alfred and Anna's sons Alfred 35 and Robert 17. There are >> 2 daughters of Alfred and Anna as well, Ellen 26 and Ada 21. >> They were residing in 325 Upton Lane, Forest Gate, London, England. >> >> This will give you plenty to think about Robert, happy hunting. >> Bob. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Oakley <pete.j.oakley@gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2019 9:40 PM >> To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN >> >> ...a curiosity, Selina Martin Allen is buried in a plot at Carr Villa >> with William and Edith Annie Jacobson (nee Stebbeings). Wonder why she is >> buried with them and what relationship they might have to her? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Peter >> >

Hi Bob & Peter Just found that Selina was the adopted daughter of William & Edith Jacobson. Her nickname was Tean. The obituary for William in 1949 has the following. Examiner (Launceston, Tas. : 1900 - 1954) Sat 20 Aug 1949 Page 4 Chief mourners were Mrs.Jacobson (widow), Tean (adopted daughter), Mrs. H. J. Stebbeings (mother-in-law), Messrs. Charles and Arthur Jacobson (brothers), Cheers Robert On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:05 PM Robert Bellenger <rbellenger307@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Bob & Peter, > Its all unraveling now! > I got the UK connection thanks Bob. Alfred's sister Eva Kendrick arrived > in 1957 with husband and daughter. Alfred obviously arrived before 1926 but > haven't found which ship he arrived on. No Alfred and too many with just > the initial A. I had thought that Selina may have been previously married > since I could never find her on the ER. I have had correspondence with a > couple of her nieces but none knew of any other marriage apart from that > with Alfred... and they may have been even defacto as you say. > Plenty to go on now. Thanks once again. > Robert > > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:10:51 +1000 > From: <splashpoole@yahoo.com.au> > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN > To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004101d4f05f$9d7f9310$d87eb930$@yahoo.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes Peter, and Selina Martin Jacobson (Shop Assistant) is on the 1954 > Electoral Roll at Youngtown along with Edith Annie Jacobson (Home Duties). > Perhaps Selina married a Mr Jacobson who died and she then married Alfred > Clifton Allen. > > Also, there is an Alfred Clifton Allen born about 1902 Kent, Greenwich, > England. He is on the 1911 census as a 9 yr old grandson of Alfred 64 and > Anna 62 Allen. Along with another grandson George Enos Allen 15 and a > granddaughter Eva Maude Allen 5. > Also there is Alfred and Anna's sons Alfred 35 and Robert 17. There are 2 > daughters of Alfred and Anna as well, Ellen 26 and Ada 21. > They were residing in 325 Upton Lane, Forest Gate, London, England. > > This will give you plenty to think about Robert, happy hunting. > Bob. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Oakley <pete.j.oakley@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2019 9:40 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN > > ...a curiosity, Selina Martin Allen is buried in a plot at Carr Villa with > William and Edith Annie Jacobson (nee Stebbeings). Wonder why she is buried > with them and what relationship they might have to her? > > Cheers, > > Peter >

Hi Bob Robert and Peter I Have Selina Martin Jacobson as the daughter of William Jacobson (died 16 August 1949) and Edith Annie Stebbeings. In William's obit it states that the chief mourners were Mrs Jacobson (Widow), Rean ( adopted daughter) etc etc. There is no mention of any other children. It seems from your information that she may be the daughter of Quinn. When Edith died 13 April 1979 she left a considerable amount to her daughter Selina Martin Allen who lived with her. Regards Frances Launceston --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks Bob & Peter, Its all unraveling now! I got the UK connection thanks Bob. Alfred's sister Eva Kendrick arrived in 1957 with husband and daughter. Alfred obviously arrived before 1926 but haven't found which ship he arrived on. No Alfred and too many with just the initial A. I had thought that Selina may have been previously married since I could never find her on the ER. I have had correspondence with a couple of her nieces but none knew of any other marriage apart from that with Alfred... and they may have been even defacto as you say. Plenty to go on now. Thanks once again. Robert Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:10:51 +1000 From: <splashpoole@yahoo.com.au> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004101d4f05f$9d7f9310$d87eb930$@yahoo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yes Peter, and Selina Martin Jacobson (Shop Assistant) is on the 1954 Electoral Roll at Youngtown along with Edith Annie Jacobson (Home Duties). Perhaps Selina married a Mr Jacobson who died and she then married Alfred Clifton Allen. Also, there is an Alfred Clifton Allen born about 1902 Kent, Greenwich, England. He is on the 1911 census as a 9 yr old grandson of Alfred 64 and Anna 62 Allen. Along with another grandson George Enos Allen 15 and a granddaughter Eva Maude Allen 5. Also there is Alfred and Anna's sons Alfred 35 and Robert 17. There are 2 daughters of Alfred and Anna as well, Ellen 26 and Ada 21. They were residing in 325 Upton Lane, Forest Gate, London, England. This will give you plenty to think about Robert, happy hunting. Bob. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley <pete.j.oakley@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2019 9:40 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN ...a curiosity, Selina Martin Allen is buried in a plot at Carr Villa with William and Edith Annie Jacobson (nee Stebbeings). Wonder why she is buried with them and what relationship they might have to her? Cheers, Peter

TFI has Alfred Clifton ALLEN, married Milicent (sic) Hannah BEAUMONT, 10 Jul 1926, St Andrews Church, Launceston, 1926, Reg #1016. Regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley <pete.j.oakley@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, 12 April 2019 10:30 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: ALFRED ALLEN Who is the Millicent Hannah Allen resident with Alfred Clifton at Hamilton Street, Launceston in 1928 Electoral Roll? She died in 1993 and was cremated at Carr Villa age 90 - https://stors.tas.gov.au/689841 go to 1993 page 248. In the 1958 Electoral Rolls she is living at 32 Venon St, Launceston South along with a Peggy Winifred Allen. There is a Peggy Gibson in the info regarding her cremation so may be the same person. What was Millicent to Alfred Clifton? Both roughly born the same time so she can't be his mother, A sister? or his wife? But there's no indication of a divorce anywhere I can see so was his relationship with Selina defacto? unless Bob has found an actual marriage certificate? Cheers, Peter

Big thank you to Bob, Peter & Suzanne for info. I had initially discounted Alfred Clinton because of his will, which seems to be missing the first 2 pages, stated his former wife as Millicent Hannah Allen which he provided 350 pounds to. No mention of Selina. I presume they were divorced and he then married Selina. AD960/1/130 Will no: 53864 Didn't find an actual marriage for Alfred & Selina Bob... Selina's DN says wife of Alfred Allen and also on her headstone. Regards Robert