Further to my last.................... https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/library/search/detai lnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fSD_ILS$002f0$002fSD_ILS:197910/one -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hodge [mailto:dahodge@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:16 To: 'aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com'; 'Maree Ring' Subject: RE: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? All, I have a mother who lived at 121 Argyle Street, having been born at the Hospital in Burnett street and my father who was born at 21 Patrick Street Hobart. My family in the early years lived and schooled and church attendances on numerous occasions at Holy Trinity North Hobart. So it goes without saying, but I will anyway, that a lot of my heritage searches have been around the Hobart / Nth Hobart / New Town areas. Having done numerous searches, I came across a name which pops up with some frequency, Katheryn Bennett, who has authored numerous documents about the areas. In the documents there is a number of mentions of cemeteries and the like and their associated changes to other roles. They may be of interest to other List Members. https://www.hobartcity.com.au/files/assets/public/planning/planning-schemes/ reports-and-studies/west_hobart_volume_1.pdf https://www.hobartcity.com.au/files/assets/public/planning/planning-schemes/ reports-and-studies/city_fringe_-_1.pdf Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: Don Bradmore [mailto:djb100@mmnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:50 To: 'Maree Ring'; aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi Maree, Many thanks for all that info - fabulous! I very much doubt that my disreputable ggg grandfather would have had a tombstone or that his grave was marked in any way. He left his ex-convict 'wife' (Johanna Lynch, 'Janus' to NSW, 'Princess Charlotte' to VDL, 1819) and three children absolutely penniless. Nevertheless, I will follow up. All good wishes, Don, Central Victoria. -----Original Message----- From: Maree Ring [mailto:mareering@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 9:34 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com; Don Bradmore Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? You are right, Don, that the Catholic cemetery was missed, along with many of those of other faiths. Methodist, Congregational, Jewish to name a few.. But note the subject from the media link is "some of"... No the burial ground no longer exists but a list of names from tombstones was taken in 1916 and has been published in Tasmanian Ancestry, December, 1984, January 1985 and December 2017. Those of 1984-5 have date and age noted whereas 2017 doesn't. You are correct, Don, the cemetery has been built on by the catholic church firstly as the St. Virgil campus but is now the Guilford Young College and sports fields. (St. Virgil's having transferred out to Austin's Ferry) Part of the old perimeter stone fence does remain. Cheers, Maree On 19/04/2019 7:37 pm, Don Bradmore wrote: > Hello Listers, I apologise for coming in to this discussion rather late - > and I may have missed something - but I haven't yet seen mention of the > Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street, Hobart Town. Have I missed its > mention? According to the Hobart Town Gazette of 13 May 1826, my ggg > grandfather, convict John CAVANAGH ('Minerva', 1818), was buried there on 10 > May of that year. He was only 29 when he died a violent death, strangled > with his own neckerchief when he tried to rob a man who was walking home > alone at dusk along the banks of the Derwent. Reporting the incident > unsympathetically, the Gazette described Cavanagh as 'a brutal ruffian', 'a > public nuisance', a 'footpad' and 'a notorious character'. I believe that > the Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street no longer exists. Is that > correct? Were the graves relocated? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

All, I have a mother who lived at 121 Argyle Street, having been born at the Hospital in Burnett street and my father who was born at 21 Patrick Street Hobart. My family in the early years lived and schooled and church attendances on numerous occasions at Holy Trinity North Hobart. So it goes without saying, but I will anyway, that a lot of my heritage searches have been around the Hobart / Nth Hobart / New Town areas. Having done numerous searches, I came across a name which pops up with some frequency, Katheryn Bennett, who has authored numerous documents about the areas. In the documents there is a number of mentions of cemeteries and the like and their associated changes to other roles. They may be of interest to other List Members. https://www.hobartcity.com.au/files/assets/public/planning/planning-schemes/ reports-and-studies/west_hobart_volume_1.pdf https://www.hobartcity.com.au/files/assets/public/planning/planning-schemes/ reports-and-studies/city_fringe_-_1.pdf Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: Don Bradmore [mailto:djb100@mmnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:50 To: 'Maree Ring'; aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi Maree, Many thanks for all that info - fabulous! I very much doubt that my disreputable ggg grandfather would have had a tombstone or that his grave was marked in any way. He left his ex-convict 'wife' (Johanna Lynch, 'Janus' to NSW, 'Princess Charlotte' to VDL, 1819) and three children absolutely penniless. Nevertheless, I will follow up. All good wishes, Don, Central Victoria. -----Original Message----- From: Maree Ring [mailto:mareering@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 9:34 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com; Don Bradmore Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? You are right, Don, that the Catholic cemetery was missed, along with many of those of other faiths. Methodist, Congregational, Jewish to name a few.. But note the subject from the media link is "some of"... No the burial ground no longer exists but a list of names from tombstones was taken in 1916 and has been published in Tasmanian Ancestry, December, 1984, January 1985 and December 2017. Those of 1984-5 have date and age noted whereas 2017 doesn't. You are correct, Don, the cemetery has been built on by the catholic church firstly as the St. Virgil campus but is now the Guilford Young College and sports fields. (St. Virgil's having transferred out to Austin's Ferry) Part of the old perimeter stone fence does remain. Cheers, Maree On 19/04/2019 7:37 pm, Don Bradmore wrote: > Hello Listers, I apologise for coming in to this discussion rather late - > and I may have missed something - but I haven't yet seen mention of the > Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street, Hobart Town. Have I missed its > mention? According to the Hobart Town Gazette of 13 May 1826, my ggg > grandfather, convict John CAVANAGH ('Minerva', 1818), was buried there on 10 > May of that year. He was only 29 when he died a violent death, strangled > with his own neckerchief when he tried to rob a man who was walking home > alone at dusk along the banks of the Derwent. Reporting the incident > unsympathetically, the Gazette described Cavanagh as 'a brutal ruffian', 'a > public nuisance', a 'footpad' and 'a notorious character'. I believe that > the Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street no longer exists. Is that > correct? Were the graves relocated? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Karen for this - I have been seriously doubted by several people on Frances/Fanny!.. Good luck with it... Dawn -----Original Message----- From: kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 6:40 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage Dear Dawn, Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family interpretation. Thank you for your interest. Cheers Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal Frances? > If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. > My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child of > hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a few > months later to Frances. > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM > To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear List Members, > > > > Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my > great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: > > > > My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex > England > > Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) > > Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer > > Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 > > Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England > > > > Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in > Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex > England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. > > > > Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. > > > > On James White is the following: > > > > New South Wales 1832 > List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 > August 1832 > > Indent No. 151 > James White > Age - 21 > Read/Write - None > Religion - Protestant > Single, Married, or Widowed - Married > Children - 2 Female > Native Place - Sussex > Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps > Offence - Stealing grain > Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions > When Tried - 17 October 1831 > Sentence - 7 Years > Former Conviction - None > Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches > Complexion - Fair ruddy > Hair - Brown > Eyes - Chestnut > Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye > > > > Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 > Sussex > On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of > the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... > On Monday the following prisoners were tried... > James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons > of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' > transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four > shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft > > > > This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to > do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the > following: > > > > Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co > nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on > some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were > listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers > or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least > 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers > in Van Diemen's Land. > > > > A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names > were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would > have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record > for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at > least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. > > > > As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be > further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - > to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW > but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the > information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year > given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the > idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to > going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George > Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in > 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of > the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't > found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps > they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I > have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW > in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: > > > > White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. > > > > Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Kind regards > > Karen Kestigian > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Dawn, Yes I am aware of the Frances element and always check both derivations. Interestingly the record of her Christening uses Fanny. Maybe a family interpretation. Thank you for your interest. Cheers Karen Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 6:26 pm, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal Frances? > If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. > My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child of > hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a few > months later to Frances. > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM > To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage > > Dear List Members, > > > > Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my > great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: > > > > My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex > England > > Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) > > Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer > > Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 > > Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England > > > > Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in > Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex > England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. > > > > Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. > > > > On James White is the following: > > > > New South Wales 1832 > List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 > August 1832 > > Indent No. 151 > James White > Age - 21 > Read/Write - None > Religion - Protestant > Single, Married, or Widowed - Married > Children - 2 Female > Native Place - Sussex > Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps > Offence - Stealing grain > Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions > When Tried - 17 October 1831 > Sentence - 7 Years > Former Conviction - None > Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches > Complexion - Fair ruddy > Hair - Brown > Eyes - Chestnut > Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye > > > > Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 > Sussex > On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of > the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... > On Monday the following prisoners were tried... > James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons > of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' > transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four > shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft > > > > This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to > do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the > following: > > > > Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the > <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co > nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on > some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were > listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers > or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least > 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers > in Van Diemen's Land. > > > > A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names > were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would > have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record > for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at > least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. > > > > As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be > further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - > to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW > but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the > information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year > given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the > idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to > going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George > Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in > 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of > the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't > found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps > they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I > have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW > in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: > > > > White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. > > > > Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Kind regards > > Karen Kestigian > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You do realise that Fanny was a very common form of the more formal Frances? If you have discounted any records with Frances as the first name - DON'T. My great great grandmother's sister was named Frances as well as a child of hers - her name was recorded as Fanny on Mum's death cert and amended a few months later to Frances. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: K Market Associates [mailto:kma-pr@kma-pr.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:53 AM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Royal Admiral 1842 voyage Dear List Members, Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex England Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. On James White is the following: New South Wales 1832 List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 August 1832 Indent No. 151 James White Age - 21 Read/Write - None Religion - Protestant Single, Married, or Widowed - Married Children - 2 Female Native Place - Sussex Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps Offence - Stealing grain Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions When Tried - 17 October 1831 Sentence - 7 Years Former Conviction - None Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches Complexion - Fair ruddy Hair - Brown Eyes - Chestnut Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 Sussex On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... On Monday the following prisoners were tried... James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the following: Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers in Van Diemen's Land. A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Karen Kestigian _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Maree, Many thanks for all that info - fabulous! I very much doubt that my disreputable ggg grandfather would have had a tombstone or that his grave was marked in any way. He left his ex-convict 'wife' (Johanna Lynch, 'Janus' to NSW, 'Princess Charlotte' to VDL, 1819) and three children absolutely penniless. Nevertheless, I will follow up. All good wishes, Don, Central Victoria. -----Original Message----- From: Maree Ring [mailto:mareering@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 9:34 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com; Don Bradmore Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? You are right, Don, that the Catholic cemetery was missed, along with many of those of other faiths. Methodist, Congregational, Jewish to name a few.. But note the subject from the media link is "some of"... No the burial ground no longer exists but a list of names from tombstones was taken in 1916 and has been published in Tasmanian Ancestry, December, 1984, January 1985 and December 2017. Those of 1984-5 have date and age noted whereas 2017 doesn't. You are correct, Don, the cemetery has been built on by the catholic church firstly as the St. Virgil campus but is now the Guilford Young College and sports fields. (St. Virgil's having transferred out to Austin's Ferry) Part of the old perimeter stone fence does remain. Cheers, Maree On 19/04/2019 7:37 pm, Don Bradmore wrote: > Hello Listers, I apologise for coming in to this discussion rather late - > and I may have missed something - but I haven't yet seen mention of the > Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street, Hobart Town. Have I missed its > mention? According to the Hobart Town Gazette of 13 May 1826, my ggg > grandfather, convict John CAVANAGH ('Minerva', 1818), was buried there on 10 > May of that year. He was only 29 when he died a violent death, strangled > with his own neckerchief when he tried to rob a man who was walking home > alone at dusk along the banks of the Derwent. Reporting the incident > unsympathetically, the Gazette described Cavanagh as 'a brutal ruffian', 'a > public nuisance', a 'footpad' and 'a notorious character'. I believe that > the Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street no longer exists. Is that > correct? Were the graves relocated? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. > > > > > > > > > >

Dear List Members, Thank you for the opportunity to contact you all. I have a puzzle around my great grandmother and her sister. Below is what I know: My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex England Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above) Father: James White - Born 1805 - labourer Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808 Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England Destitute Asylum Records: When Fanny was admitted to the Destitute Asylum in Adelaide the information given was that she was born in Chichester, Sussex England and arrived in Australia on the Royal Admiral. Date of her arrival in South Australia is 1847. On James White is the following: New South Wales 1832 List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 August 1832 Indent No. 151 James White Age - 21 Read/Write - None Religion - Protestant Single, Married, or Widowed - Married Children - 2 Female Native Place - Sussex Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps Offence - Stealing grain Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions When Tried - 17 October 1831 Sentence - 7 Years Former Conviction - None Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches Complexion - Fair ruddy Hair - Brown Eyes - Chestnut Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831 Sussex On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester... On Monday the following prisoners were tried... James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years' transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft This description seems to fit the girls' father. I cannot find anything to do with this family from 1832 onwards in England. Yesterday I found the following: Under the scheme the women and children were sent out free of charge on the <http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Female%20co nvicts.htm> female convict ships. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers in Van Diemen's Land. A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts. As Fanny and Charlotte would have been old enough to work there might be further records of them being placed either in factories or private homes - to date I have not found any. I realise their father by this time is in NSW but as I have now verified that they came from Chichester I feel the information about the Royal Admiral is possibly correct along with the year given of their arrival in South Australia in 1847. So I am going with the idea they were somewhere else either Tasmania, Victoria or NSW prior to going to South Australia. In a further record Fanny has a son Geo to George Parker (the entry is shown as Barker which was incorrectly transcribed) in 1847 in Gawler, South Australia. The 1838/40 voyages to South Australia of the Royal Admiral don't seem to fit with the story so far and I haven't found them listed. Also I don't know what happened to their mother?? Perhaps they all went to the poor house after James White was convicted. From what I have researched it appears he applied to get married to Anne Halligan in NSW in 1834/35 where he was working as per the following: White James, Lady Harewood, ploughman, to Thomas Wills, Varro Ville. Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Karen Kestigian

Didn't have my glasses on Maree <grin> Thank you for pointing out correct publication date of 1976. -----Original Message----- From: Maree Ring [mailto:mareering@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 7:23 PM To: TASMANIA ROOTSWEB Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? a few answers from queries Wynette mentions the book written by Richard Lord "Inscriptions in Stone: St David's Burial Ground 1804 - 1872" which was published in _1976._ It lists the headstones with inscriptions still legible in 1976. In 1926 the legible headstones were recorded and the list is now in TAHO/Libraries Tasmania and these are also listed in this book. <snip> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

You are right, Don, that the Catholic cemetery was missed, along with many of those of other faiths. Methodist, Congregational, Jewish to name a few.. But note the subject from the media link is "some of"... No the burial ground no longer exists but a list of names from tombstones was taken in 1916 and has been published in Tasmanian Ancestry,  December, 1984, January 1985 and December 2017.  Those of 1984-5  have date and age noted whereas 2017 doesn't. You are correct, Don, the cemetery has been built on by the catholic church firstly as the St. Virgil campus but is now the Guilford Young College and sports fields. (St. Virgil's having transferred out to Austin's Ferry)  Part of the old perimeter stone fence does remain. Cheers,  Maree On 19/04/2019 7:37 pm, Don Bradmore wrote: > Hello Listers, I apologise for coming in to this discussion rather late - > and I may have missed something - but I haven't yet seen mention of the > Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street, Hobart Town. Have I missed its > mention? According to the Hobart Town Gazette of 13 May 1826, my ggg > grandfather, convict John CAVANAGH ('Minerva', 1818), was buried there on 10 > May of that year. He was only 29 when he died a violent death, strangled > with his own neckerchief when he tried to rob a man who was walking home > alone at dusk along the banks of the Derwent. Reporting the incident > unsympathetically, the Gazette described Cavanagh as 'a brutal ruffian', 'a > public nuisance', a 'footpad' and 'a notorious character'. I believe that > the Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street no longer exists. Is that > correct? Were the graves relocated? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. > > > > > > > > > >

Hello Listers, I apologise for coming in to this discussion rather late - and I may have missed something - but I haven't yet seen mention of the Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street, Hobart Town. Have I missed its mention? According to the Hobart Town Gazette of 13 May 1826, my ggg grandfather, convict John CAVANAGH ('Minerva', 1818), was buried there on 10 May of that year. He was only 29 when he died a violent death, strangled with his own neckerchief when he tried to rob a man who was walking home alone at dusk along the banks of the Derwent. Reporting the incident unsympathetically, the Gazette described Cavanagh as 'a brutal ruffian', 'a public nuisance', a 'footpad' and 'a notorious character'. I believe that the Catholic Burial Ground in Barrack Street no longer exists. Is that correct? Were the graves relocated? Don Bradmore, Central Victoria.

Wynette mentions the book written by Richard Lord "Inscriptions in Stone: St David's Burial Ground 1804 - 1872" which was published in _1976._ It lists the headstones with inscriptions still legible in 1976.  In 1926 the legible headstones were recorded and the list is now in TAHO/Libraries Tasmania and these are also listed in this book. In 2005 the remaining stones were photographed and are listed here https://thegardensfamily.com/cemeteries/Hobart/StDavids/index.htm Robyn, apparently Lieutenant Barrett is noted in Wilfred Hudspeth's  "The story of St. DAvid's" published 1949 - available for loan! through Libraries Tasmania. Murray nothing listed in Lord's book for Barratt.  :-( Val nothing listed for Luttrell, but the website link does mention the name at the end of the list. The list owner maybe able to help with the whereabouts? Cheers,  Maree On 18/04/2019 8:47 am, Maree Ring wrote: > > Hi folks, > > from the ABC "Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who > is buried there?" > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/curious-hobart-oldest-graves-tasmania/11019736?fbclid=IwAR18FX-ORRGl6pET1v8Umwiv716XX2Hz1ZmoAlv6WPhj26KMg0C_F1E75Wg > > Cheers,  Maree >

Photographs now at Anglesea Barracks, photographed 200? and updates 2011 can be found here: https://thegardensfamily.com/cemeteries/Hobart/AngleseaBarracks/index.htm On 19/04/2019 4:02 pm, Phil B wrote: > When I was searching and photographing my rellies in St. Davids some years > ago, I discovered that there were also some up in the Army Barracks (if > memory serves correct). Not sure of the names but I do remember going up > there and having a look around. > > I will try to find all of my photos and see I photographed any of them. > > Phil..... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Val Date [mailto:val.date@sctelco.net.au] > Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 1:29 PM > To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and > who is buried there? > > Hi Everyone, My g.g.g.grandfather Dr.Edward LUTTRELL was buried at St > David's, but I have no idea where his memorial is located now. Regards, Val > Date > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

When I was searching and photographing my rellies in St. Davids some years ago, I discovered that there were also some up in the Army Barracks (if memory serves correct). Not sure of the names but I do remember going up there and having a look around. I will try to find all of my photos and see I photographed any of them. Phil..... -----Original Message----- From: Val Date [mailto:val.date@sctelco.net.au] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 1:29 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi Everyone, My g.g.g.grandfather Dr.Edward LUTTRELL was buried at St David's, but I have no idea where his memorial is located now. Regards, Val Date _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Murray and Val, I am pretty sure this has been mentioned in previous posts to the list. This is what St David's cathedral has to say as to when and where "any LEGIBLE" headstones were moved. And the book that was written with inscriptions recorded by Richard Lord in 1876. http://saintdavids.org.au/past-present/documents-held-by-st-davids/ Cheers, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: Murray Reid [mailto:mhhr@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 1:53 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? A mystery many share Val. My gt gt gt grandfather was also buried (1869) there with his first wife (Hannah Field) I have followed a number of leads to no avail. The funny thing is there is a transcript of their headstone which makes me think it may still exist Murray Reid NZ -----Original Message----- From: Val Date <val.date@sctelco.net.au> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 3:29 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi Everyone, My g.g.g.grandfather Dr.Edward LUTTRELL was buried at St David's, but I have no idea where his memorial is located now. Regards, Val Date _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you for sharing this, Maree. It is so good to have this photo and information. I believe my forebear Harty HENRY (c.1800- Aug. 1867) is buried at the Campbell Street site. It certainly was a location he knew well in his convict days!. He arrived Medina 1825, convict number 621; while still T.O.L. married into a much more respectable family, 1831; eventually F.S. Other family members were buried at Cornelian Bay, once opened. Best wishes Joan -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Carruthers Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:43 AM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Fascinating and sad reading Maree. Thankyou for sharing. Cheers Lyn munity _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I should have named my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather. John Barrett. Murray Reid -----Original Message----- From: Murray Reid <mhhr@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 3:53 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? A mystery many share Val. My gt gt gt grandfather was also buried (1869) there with his first wife (Hannah Field) I have followed a number of leads to no avail. The funny thing is there is a transcript of their headstone which makes me think it may still exist Murray Reid NZ -----Original Message----- From: Val Date <val.date@sctelco.net.au> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 3:29 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi Everyone, My g.g.g.grandfather Dr.Edward LUTTRELL was buried at St David's, but I have no idea where his memorial is located now. Regards, Val Date _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

A mystery many share Val. My gt gt gt grandfather was also buried (1869) there with his first wife (Hannah Field) I have followed a number of leads to no avail. The funny thing is there is a transcript of their headstone which makes me think it may still exist Murray Reid NZ -----Original Message----- From: Val Date <val.date@sctelco.net.au> Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 3:29 PM To: aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi Everyone, My g.g.g.grandfather Dr.Edward LUTTRELL was buried at St David's, but I have no idea where his memorial is located now. Regards, Val Date _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Everyone, My g.g.g.grandfather Dr.Edward LUTTRELL was buried at St David's, but I have no idea where his memorial is located now. Regards, Val Date

Fascinating and sad reading Maree. Thankyou for sharing. Cheers Lyn munity

Hello Maree St David Park was one of the earliest grave sites in Hobart Town. Governor Collins was buried there in 1810. Several of my early ancestors were buried there as well. Robyn Barratt -----Original Message----- From: Maree Ring <mareering@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2019 8:48 AM To: TASMANIA ROOTSWEB <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there? Hi folks, from the ABC "Where are some of Hobart's earliest gravesites and who is buried there?" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/curious-hobart-oldest-graves-tasmania/11019736?fbclid=IwAR18FX-ORRGl6pET1v8Umwiv716XX2Hz1ZmoAlv6WPhj26KMg0C_F1E75Wg Cheers, Maree _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://sites.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community