Hi Lyn, Are we talking about the gold mining area that was discovered 4 miles from Fingal in 1854? The earliest newspaper accounts use capitals for "The Nook" as being that particular spot 4 miles from Fingal. Later articles call it the 'Nook", so its probably one in the same spot. Would have relevance to locals but gets dumbed down by newspaper reporters?? Cheers, Peter On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Lyn via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > G'day All > Are the 2 places above one and the same or 2 different places altogether? > cheers > Lyn > VIC > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

G'day All Are the 2 places above one and the same or 2 different places altogether? cheers Lyn VIC

Hi All, August is National family History Month and the events statewide are listed on this site: http://www.familyhistoryweek.org.au/eventstas The events are listed by postcode excepting one for Launceston! If you are interested in any of the topics, to secure a place you may be required to book. The workshops provided by Tasmanian Family History Society, Inc., Hobart branch will incur a small charge. Contact numbers and email addresses have been given. Cheers, Maree

I think I'm interested in him too, as he was possibly my ggrandfather. Do you have any death information on him? Bill On 19/07/2014 7:27 PM, chimmy horse via wrote: > Chimmyhorse7@gmail.com > Kitty > Hi all. > Anyone on the list researching Lawrence Holden. > I am having trouble tyring to work out how old he was when he arrived here > in 1823. > Any help wpuld be appreciated. > Thanks for all replies > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for all the replies to my query about Lawrence Holden. Most appreciated. Kitty

Chimmyhorse7@gmail.com Kitty Hi all. Anyone on the list researching Lawrence Holden. I am having trouble tyring to work out how old he was when he arrived here in 1823. Any help wpuld be appreciated. Thanks for all replies

Kay, You might not have time to do the walk, but might like to take a look at this website. http://www.northeasttasmania.com.au/mt-stronach-reserve Mt Stronach forms a backdrop to the north-eastern township of Scottsdale and there is also the Stronach cemetery to the south of the town. Donald Stronach played a large part in the opening up of NE Tas and accompanied explorer/surveyor James Scott (after whom Scottsdale is named) on his early journeys. It is also the name of one of the 'houses' at Scottsdale High. There is quite a lot about Stronach (and Scott) in the Revd WH MacFarlane's History of NE Tas. articles published in the NE Advertiser (not yet on Trove), and published in a book and edited by John Beswick a few years ago, and in ' Scotts' New Country'. eg In 1859 the govt voted 100 pds for a track between Launceston and Ringarooma, in Scott's New Country - it was taken by Donald Stronach. It ran from Myrtle Bank to the Brid River near Springfield and I'd say he well and truly earnt his money! ....Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Kay Switzer via Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:21 PM To: AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Best place to search? I have a few days to spend in Tasmania to follow up Roderick STRONACH and his family. As my fellow travellers are unlikely to tolerate more than 2 –3 days of family history searching and visiting graves I need a plan. Where will I be most likely to find records (and photos) I couldn’t get on-line – Launceston or Hobart? Roderick STRONACH arrived from Scotland before 1841 and was managing a convict farm near Launceston in 1841. He is buried at Longford and lived also at St Leonards in the 1870s. His wife Anne McGregor probably followed him later from Scotland but was in Tasmania by 1841. I would like to know more about the family’s arrival, life on the convict farm and also about the family of Sarah Marianne Le Grande BROOKS from New Norfolk who married Roderick’s son Donald Stronach in 1852 in Launceston. Suggestions very welcome on how I can get the best results for this short visit. Kay ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7879 - Release Date: 07/18/14

I have a few days to spend in Tasmania to follow up Roderick STRONACH and his family. As my fellow travellers are unlikely to tolerate more than 2 –3 days of family history searching and visiting graves I need a plan. Where will I be most likely to find records (and photos) I couldn’t get on-line – Launceston or Hobart? Roderick STRONACH arrived from Scotland before 1841 and was managing a convict farm near Launceston in 1841. He is buried at Longford and lived also at St Leonards in the 1870s. His wife Anne McGregor probably followed him later from Scotland but was in Tasmania by 1841. I would like to know more about the family’s arrival, life on the convict farm and also about the family of Sarah Marianne Le Grande BROOKS from New Norfolk who married Roderick’s son Donald Stronach in 1852 in Launceston. Suggestions very welcome on how I can get the best results for this short visit. Kay

Hi, Sally John's dictionary of Australian biography is only one of several such dictionaries published over the last 150 years. The first may have been J H Heaton's 'Australian dictionary of dates and men of the time', published in 1879, but I could be wrong about this. Some of these earlier (and later) dictionaries can be found listed in the catalogue of the State Library of Tasmania. http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/find/?subject=Australia+-+Biography+-+Dictionaries The current and authoritative 'Australian Dictionary of Biography', now published free on line by the ANU, only began publication in 1966. But it is by far the most comprehensive and reliable, keeping in mind that new research is always bringing new information to light. So some of the older entries need revision. The older dictionaries are less comprehensive and reliable. Many of them are now out of copyright, and may be re-published by anyone who wants to do so, in whatever form they want, paper or online. And they are free to charge what they like to cover their costs. We just have to put up with it! As you say, most are available in libraries around the country. Judy

Apologies for prolonging a thread which is clearly off-topic for this list ... but the ADB and the other database mentioned below are entirely different. On 19/07/2014 10:22 AM, narnty via wrote: > I recently received an email from Geneanet advertising - amongst other > databases > "Johns's notable Australians and Who is who in Australasia, a dictionary of > biography containing records of the careers of men and women of distinction > in the commonwealth of Australia and the dominion of New Zealand" which I > can access for 45 Euros pa. > > Am I wrong in thinking this is the same as The Australian Online Dictionary > of Biographies - freely available to all at > http://adb.anu.edu.au/ and http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies > > I have noticed this sort of thing before - Ancestry.com frequently > advertises access to databases which are freely available elsewhere. > > I find it really annoying that Ancestry charges us to access 'our' electoral > rolls - however they can be accessed > at any Library in Tasmania. > cheers > Sally > > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joy, not sure what you mean about indexing of Electoral Rolls, Ancestry states that some are, but anyway you access them at "Ancestry.com Library Edition" at the LINC (State Library of Tasmania), so you search the rolls as you would normally on Ancestry. You can browse, search a particular State - whatever, it is exactly the same as using a paid version, as far as I can see. As an unpaid member of Ancestry.com I can search the database and get a lot of hits, if I find what looks like the correct one, or likely, (at least you get the year, state & district), I can then go to the local library & access a copy of it. Cheers Sally -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joy L via" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:18 AM To: <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Charging for free online databases? > Sally > > Don't know about the Who's Who in Australia database, but with Ancestry > electoral rolls, you can access them for free at a Library, but they are > not indexed, so unless you know where people are living they can be hard > to trace, especially if they are not where you thought they may be. I > found a few of mine that were having children say in Victoria, then > moved interstate and died there, some of their children moving with > them or nearby so would not have found them easily. > > But Yes I do agree with your sentiments. I also disagree with Family > Trees on there site and then charging others an arm and a leg to view > them. > > Cheers > Joy > ------------------------------- >

Don, They are not my definitions - I should have added my source, a very useful book published by the Australian National Dictionary Centre at the ANU in 2002, written by Dr Amanda Langesen, titled "Convict Words - Language in Early Colonial Australia". -- Regards Mike Hurburgh --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Sally Don't know about the Who's Who in Australia database, but with Ancestry electoral rolls, you can access them for free at a Library, but they are not indexed, so unless you know where people are living they can be hard to trace, especially if they are not where you thought they may be. I found a few of mine that were having children say in Victoria, then moved interstate and died there, some of their children moving with them or nearby so would not have found them easily. But Yes I do agree with your sentiments. I also disagree with Family Trees on there site and then charging others an arm and a leg to view them. Cheers Joy

Dear Listers, Many thanks to Trish, Wynette, Ainslie and Mike for their excellent help in regard to my query about a female convict who was charged with 'being on her own hands'. For those who are interested, I think Mike's reply explains it nicely: The phrase "on (or upon) one's own hands" meant that a convict could work for his own benefit or interest, rather than working in public or private service. [You could perhaps translate the term to - their destiny/life was "in their own hands".] The term is first officially recorded in 1801 when it was actually forbidden for prisoners assigned to settlers to work "on their own hands". Settlers who hired out prisoners assigned to them, or allowed them to work for themselves (and thereby pay for their upkeep}, were required to return said prisoners to barracks forthwith. [ref. Government and General Orders]. In Tasmania, all female prisoners who were not assigned and were allowed to work "on their own hands" had to have a regular ticket-of-leave. A notice was published detailing the conditions and the method of obtaining the ticket. Women who failed to gain the necessary ticket would be ordered into Government employ. The system was tightened up later and became more regulated. [ref. Hobart Town Gazette, 3 Jan 1818] So, I believe the situation is that Elizabeth WICKS (Brothers, 1824) was charged with 'being on her own hands' (that is, working for herself) in July 1830 because she didn't yet have her ticket of leave. (It wasn't granted to her until October 1830). And that's why she was ordered to be kept under police surveillance. Thanks again to all who responded. Best wishes, Don Bradmore, Central Victoria.

I recently received an email from Geneanet advertising - amongst other databases "Johns's notable Australians and Who is who in Australasia, a dictionary of biography containing records of the careers of men and women of distinction in the commonwealth of Australia and the dominion of New Zealand" which I can access for 45 Euros pa. Am I wrong in thinking this is the same as The Australian Online Dictionary of Biographies - freely available to all at http://adb.anu.edu.au/ and http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies I have noticed this sort of thing before - Ancestry.com frequently advertises access to databases which are freely available elsewhere. I find it really annoying that Ancestry charges us to access 'our' electoral rolls - however they can be accessed at any Library in Tasmania. cheers Sally

Hello, Listers,   just a short note on paying Ancestry for access to what is available for free in TAS.... I am a TAS descendant who lives in America...and sincerely wishes I had the luxury of being able to go to a local library to access such information. Being able to access much information (yes, it is not error free but is better than no access at all) through Ancestry is, for me, worth the price as the information I find is priceless!   cheers, elaine On Friday, July 18, 2014 7:36 PM, Douglas Burbury via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: Apologies for prolonging a thread which is clearly off-topic for this list ... but the ADB and the other database mentioned below are entirely different. On 19/07/2014 10:22 AM, narnty via wrote: > I recently received an email from Geneanet advertising - amongst other > databases > "Johns's notable Australians and Who is who in Australasia, a dictionary of > biography containing records of the careers of men and women of distinction > in the commonwealth of Australia and the dominion of New Zealand" which I > can access for 45 Euros pa. > > Am I wrong in thinking this is the same as The Australian Online Dictionary > of Biographies - freely available to all at > http://adb.anu.edu.au/ and  http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies > > I have noticed this sort of thing before - Ancestry.com frequently > advertises access to databases which are freely available elsewhere. > > I find it really annoying that Ancestry charges us to access 'our' electoral > rolls - however they can be accessed > at any Library in Tasmania. > cheers > Sally > > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, The phrase "on (or upon) one's own hands" meant that a convict could work for his own benefit or interest, rather than working in public or private service. [You could perhaps translate the term to - their destiny/life was "in their own hands".] The term is first officially recorded in 1801 when it was actually forbidden for prisoners assigned to settlers to work "on their own hands". Settlers who hired out prisoners assigned to them, or allowed them to work for themselves (and thereby pay for their upkeep} were required to return said prisoners to barracks forthwith. [ref. Government and General Orders] In Tasmania, all female prisoners who were not assigned and were allowed to work "on their own hands" had to have a regular Ticket-of-leave. A notice was published detailing the conditions and the method of obtaining the Ticket. Women who failed to gain the necessary Ticket would be ordered into Government employ. The system was tightened up later and became more regulated. [ref. Hobart Town Gazette, 3 Jan 1818] -- Regards Mike Hurburgh --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Don, It would seem that in at least one case it more or less meant being free, unencumbered, responsible for herself. You will need to "find on this page" and then write "being on her own hands" to find the references. There are three other instances of it being mentioned. In two cases, the woman was charged for that exact offence. In the other, a free man desirous of marrying a convict woman, needed her to "be on her own hands" but she had already declared a husband in Britain. So a letter was written, declaring the said husband dead so the authorities could with clear conscience allow her to marry. Sorry, I have now found the links are too long to cut and paste. Just Google "convict term, being on her own hands" and it will bring up the references. Regards, Wynnette. -----Original Message----- From: aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Bradmore via Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2014 1:30 PM To: AUS-Tasmania@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Being on her own hands Hello Listers, At Hobart in 1830 a female convict in whom I'm interested was charged with 'being on her own hands'. As punishment, she was 'to be placed under the special surveillance of the police until the pleasure of the Lieutenant-Governor be known'. Can someone explain to this naive enquirer what the phrase 'being on her own hands' implies, please? The woman had married in Hobart two years earlier and had three children - one born before the marriage. Does 'being on her own hands' imply that she had left her husband? Does it have the same meaning as being 'on the town'? There is nothing in the woman's record, before or afterwards, to suggest 'on the town' experience. Don Bradmore, Central Victoria. ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7871 - Release Date: 07/17/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7874 - Release Date: 07/18/14

Hi Listers, Is anyone else having problems loading convict record images via Founders and Survivors? I've been getting "failed to load" messages every time I try?? Cheers, Peter

Walter St Clair Williams marriage 1882 Launceston #558 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35345-8793-9?cc=2125029&wc=M7HG-XMS:387523601,387551301,387681701 Birth of Walter Sinclair Jr. - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-36089-18049-90?cc=2125029&wc=M7HL-B38:387524001,387523702,387527001 Marriage of Walter Jr. 1909 in Victoria - Name:St Clair Walt WilliamsSpouse Name:Celia Fanny BolandMarriage Place: VictoriaRegistration Place:VictoriaRegistration Year:1909Registration Number: 4485 Walter Jr. living at 275 Richardson St, North Carlton, Vic., Ironworker in 1924. Walter St Clair Sr. living at Evandale Junction in 1914, a ganger. 1928-1936 living at Conway St, Mowbray, no occupation. Wife Annie with him. Walter St Clair Williams died at the General hospital, Launceston, 24 Oct 1941. Interred at Carr Villa. Still lived 30 Conway St, Mowbray. His wife Annie died 3 Feb 1943 at the family home Conway St. Cheers, Peter On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Elaine Jefferson via < aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi to all > I have a problem that I hope some one can help with > After nearly 15 years on hunting the Williams from Tas I have not long > downloaded a will for Henry Williams who died 1886 his spouse Mary Ann > or Marion BAILEY. This is old news I know but upon reading the will > for Henry , he mentions his wife's illegitimate son Walter Sinclair > whom he adopted. His words in the will > I would like to know who this fellow married and what happened to him. > I checked the TPI and Federation Indexes and found Walter St Clair > Williams marrying but no more > This "son' was executor to Henry's will and he was to share in the > will also with his half siblings and he was formerly employed by Mr > Keach of Ross as coachman > If anyone can come up with anything I would be very appreciative > > Thanks > Elaine in Melbourne > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >