The obit clearly says he reared a family of 19....but then, this is a politician speaking and they traditionally do not let facts get in the way of a good emotional speech!! the obit is at: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/151328319 But Frances raises a good point, perhaps he raised the 5 children (Dorothy Meta, Elvie Maud, Any May, Irene Myrtle, and Christen Henry) of his son Christy Henry "Harry" Wagner who died in 1906. with the 14, that makes 19....and may justify the comment of Councilman Ryan. Thanks so very much for all your help! Elaine On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:21 PM, Anthony Fletcher <anthonyjm.fletcher@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Elaine I am inclined to think that the 19 children cited in the Obituary is an error. The book "Wagner - 130 Years in Tasmania" by Alma Ranson only records fourteen children too. Cheers On 1 October 2014 09:20, narnty via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Seems that I might be missing 5 children....and if SKS can help me to >> identify >> them, I would be very grateful! > >Hi Elaine, > there are 11 children registered to Chris* Wagner & Laura Hannah in the TPI >.The 3 girls Clara, Ada, & Laura not being registered, which makes the 14 >you mentioned. >> Laura Henrietta Wagner 1883 – 1968 >- at 13 yrs old she wrote to Flamingo in the Examiner saying she has - 9 >bros & 3 sisters in 1896 -and six cows. This ties in with the known facts, >one brother having died in 1893. > >His wife Laura Hannah or Hannah Laura appears to have died 10/5/1917, aged >68? >but his will states he left his estate to 4 sons & his widow - named as >Laura Hannah- written I think in 1909 >I cannot find the obit for him you mention- apart from various reports on >his death which state that a family member accidently gave him poison. > >Perhaps these 5 children could have been born to another woman after Laura >Hannah's death.? > >or As I can't find the obit you mention perhaps there is an error in this or >the transcription of it? >cheers >Sally >PS All but 1 registration has him as Christopher or Christy Henry, one son >was named Christian. > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "Elaine Hanford via" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:27 AM >To: "AUS-Tasmania Roots web" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [AUS-Tas] Help finding some missing Wagner children > >> Dear Listers, >> >> I'm working on the family of Christian Henry & Laura Hannah (nee Hawke - >> spelling varies) Wagner. >> >> His obituary notes that he "reared a family of 19"... but I have only >> found and documented the following 14 (I have posted all to Ancestry.com): > > > > >------------------------------- >AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anthony J M Fletcher 27 Seabrook Street, SEVEN MILE BEACH 7170 Tasmania Mobile: 0421 055 976 Email: anthonyjm.fletcher@gmail.com P Please consider the environment before you print this e-mail or any attachments.

Hi Karen, Expanding on Rays information, here is James Bates in the surviving Valuation Rolls between 1860-1874. Included for reference, the persons who were living in address' Bates had vacated. YearNo.StreetOccupantOwnerValue (pounds)Property Type1860126Melville StJames Bates Martin McLoughlin 7House1865126Melville StRichard Patterson Robert Worley 7House & Garden1865124Melville StWilliam Kelly Robert Worley 7House & Garden1867124Melville StJames Bates Robert Worley 10Dwelling House & Land1872126Melville StEmpty George Watson 7House & Land 1872138Bathurst StJames BatesHenry Marshall, Hill St 12Dwelling House1874138Bathurst StSamuel BallHenry Marshall, Hill St 12 Dwelling House Interestingly Bathurst Street is listed on Bate's certificate as the place of death. This is crossed out and then Melville Street written above. The undertaker was the informant. Could he have got the information confused?? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35346-6421-89?cc=2125029&wc=M7HG-WP8:387523701,387590301,387604401 Cheers, Peter On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Great Bedwyn via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Hi Karen > > Be aware that the house numbers may well have changed from the late 1800s > to > present. I think for inner Hobart there were two major phases of changes > in > about 1910 and again about 1940 (from fallible memory) but not every > dwelling was affected. > > If you are trying to identify the same house (or location) today, it may > involve a somewhat painstaking trace of the location from the valuation > Roll > of the time (and you will see over time houses being added along the street > in between the existing houses, as blocks are sub divided) forward in time > until Post Office directories kick in about 1900 (consistently), then keep > tracing forward under different owners. > > I've done this a number of times, with mixed success. > > The Metropolitan Drainage Board maps of 1910 and (I think) 1930??? Show > exact numbered property and building outlines, so if you are lucky you can > see the shape of a house and adjacent buildings along the street to see if > it's the same as today. Again, this helps connecting the old numbers to > the > current building. > > Undertakers records have been transcribed by the Tas Family History Society > http://www.tasfhs.org/ and might well reveal the house number of the time. > > Regards > > Malcolm > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Dunham via > Sent: Monday, 29 September 2014 3:55 PM > To: AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Addresses in Hobart pre 1895 > > Hi all, > > > > In order to make connections, I'm trying to find out the house numbers of > two people who died in Melville St. Hobart before 1895. James Bates died > 18/1/1873 and his 3 year old daughter died 17/7/1860, both in Melville St. > (But maybe not the same house?) > > > > Are there undertaker's records for those times? Or are there other ways to > ascertain the house numbers in Melville St? > > > > Karen Dunham > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type > AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers, I'm working on the family of Christian Henry & Laura Hannah (nee Hawke - spelling varies) Wagner. His obituary notes that he "reared a family of 19"... but I have only found and documented the following 14 (I have posted all to Ancestry.com): Frederick William Wagner 1871 – 1932 Christian Henry "Harry" Wagner 1872 – 1906 William Thomas Wagner 1874 – 1903 John Arthur Wagner 1875 – 1893 Grace Emily Wagner 1877 – 1943 Alfred Albert Wagner 1878 – 1971 Frances "Frank" Ernest Wagner 1879 – 1936 Walter Ernest Wagner 1881 – 1978 Laura Henrietta Wagner 1883 – 1968 Clara Theresa Wagner 1885 – 1956 Ada Blanche Wagner 1887 – 1954 Albert Valentine Wagner 1889 – 1983 Edward Phillip Wagner 1889 – 1956 George Clarence Wagner 1893 – 1939 Seems that I might be missing 5 children....and if SKS can help me to identify them, I would be very grateful! cheers, Elaine TAS Descendant in Reno, Nevada

Apologies Andrew, looks as though I was off by a block as to the position of the British Hotel. Probably due to the number changes that occurred in some of the streets through different periods. If you go here - http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=metropolitan+drainage&i=2&id=553788 then scroll to Hobart Plan - Hobart Detail Plan No. 03 . Search along Liverpool Street to no 38 and you will clearly see it marked as the British Hotel. Cheers, Peter On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Peter Oakley <pete.j.oakley@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > 1) Online photos of British Hotel via LINC Tasmania - > > > http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=British+Hotel&i=11&id=PH30-1-2549 > > http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=British+Hotel&i=10&id=PH30-1-2575 > > http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=British+Hotel&i=3&id=602322 > > The Frankland map might give you a rough idea where it was - > > > http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=frankland+map&i=6&id=548683 > > Reference in newspapers in 1896 mentions 20,22 and 24 Liverpool Street > having drainage problems abated. Instead of water flowing into Hospital > Grounds now taken away by underground drain. Indicates it was in the block > the RHH now occupies completely or opposite perhaps, > > 2) The land referred to "opposite the Trumpeter" appears to have > originally belonged to Mark Solomon. On the modern street map it appears it > would have sat opposite Drysdale House swallowed up by NAB House and the > large complex where APIA and some of the hospital clinics reside next door. > Might have been one of the shops along the right hand side towards centre > in this photo - > > > http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=collins+argyle&format=Images+%5c+Photograph&i=5&id=NS1013-1-50 > > > 3) Hugh Murray's house wasn't a Battery Point. In the advertisements for > its sale in 1846 its described as having frontage on Argyle Street and > Colville Street. Again referring to the Frankland map there was a Colville > Row at Battery Point in the very early days. There was also Colville Street > beyond the town boundaries (modern North Hobart) which appears to be modern > Federal Street. Colville Row appears to have assumed the street name once > things expanded. > > Hope that might give you some rough estimates as to where the properties > might have existed... > > Cheers, > > Peter > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Andrew Cocker via < > aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> I am seeking advice on locating three early Hobart Town properties. >> >> 1. Around 1831 Scottish immigrant Hugh Murray sold his Macquarie River >> land >> grant and moved to Hobart Town where he took over the license of the >> British >> Hotel at 24 Liverpool Street from John Martin. He and his family appear to >> have initially lived there as well. Opposite was Mr John Harris, butcher >> and next door was Mrs Davis' music ware-room. Also opposite in 1835 was >> Sharps Saddlery warehouse. >> >> 2. In 1843 Hugh moved to new, purpose built premises in Collins Street, >> opposite the office of the "Trumpeter'. Here he operated a large Wine and >> Spirit store. His Liverpool Street premises were taken over by Ogilvie >> and >> Co. >> >> 3. He had a house built in Colville Street, Battery Point. I have a photo >> showing a large timber home with a picket fence fronting an unformed track >> without a footpath (Colville Street). It appears to be no longer standing. >> >> Regards >> Andrew Cocker >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Andrew, 1) Online photos of British Hotel via LINC Tasmania - http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=British+Hotel&i=11&id=PH30-1-2549 http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=British+Hotel&i=10&id=PH30-1-2575 http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=British+Hotel&i=3&id=602322 The Frankland map might give you a rough idea where it was - http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=frankland+map&i=6&id=548683 Reference in newspapers in 1896 mentions 20,22 and 24 Liverpool Street having drainage problems abated. Instead of water flowing into Hospital Grounds now taken away by underground drain. Indicates it was in the block the RHH now occupies completely or opposite perhaps, 2) The land referred to "opposite the Trumpeter" appears to have originally belonged to Mark Solomon. On the modern street map it appears it would have sat opposite Drysdale House swallowed up by NAB House and the large complex where APIA and some of the hospital clinics reside next door. Might have been one of the shops along the right hand side towards centre in this photo - http://catalogue.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/item/?q=collins+argyle&format=Images+%5c+Photograph&i=5&id=NS1013-1-50 3) Hugh Murray's house wasn't a Battery Point. In the advertisements for its sale in 1846 its described as having frontage on Argyle Street and Colville Street. Again referring to the Frankland map there was a Colville Row at Battery Point in the very early days. There was also Colville Street beyond the town boundaries (modern North Hobart) which appears to be modern Federal Street. Colville Row appears to have assumed the street name once things expanded. Hope that might give you some rough estimates as to where the properties might have existed... Cheers, Peter On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Andrew Cocker via < aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi > I am seeking advice on locating three early Hobart Town properties. > > 1. Around 1831 Scottish immigrant Hugh Murray sold his Macquarie River land > grant and moved to Hobart Town where he took over the license of the > British > Hotel at 24 Liverpool Street from John Martin. He and his family appear to > have initially lived there as well. Opposite was Mr John Harris, butcher > and next door was Mrs Davis' music ware-room. Also opposite in 1835 was > Sharps Saddlery warehouse. > > 2. In 1843 Hugh moved to new, purpose built premises in Collins Street, > opposite the office of the "Trumpeter'. Here he operated a large Wine and > Spirit store. His Liverpool Street premises were taken over by Ogilvie and > Co. > > 3. He had a house built in Colville Street, Battery Point. I have a photo > showing a large timber home with a picket fence fronting an unformed track > without a footpath (Colville Street). It appears to be no longer standing. > > Regards > Andrew Cocker > > > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Karen Be aware that the house numbers may well have changed from the late 1800s to present. I think for inner Hobart there were two major phases of changes in about 1910 and again about 1940 (from fallible memory) but not every dwelling was affected. If you are trying to identify the same house (or location) today, it may involve a somewhat painstaking trace of the location from the valuation Roll of the time (and you will see over time houses being added along the street in between the existing houses, as blocks are sub divided) forward in time until Post Office directories kick in about 1900 (consistently), then keep tracing forward under different owners. I've done this a number of times, with mixed success. The Metropolitan Drainage Board maps of 1910 and (I think) 1930??? Show exact numbered property and building outlines, so if you are lucky you can see the shape of a house and adjacent buildings along the street to see if it's the same as today. Again, this helps connecting the old numbers to the current building. Undertakers records have been transcribed by the Tas Family History Society http://www.tasfhs.org/ and might well reveal the house number of the time. Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-tasmania-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Dunham via Sent: Monday, 29 September 2014 3:55 PM To: AUS-TASMANIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Tas] Addresses in Hobart pre 1895 Hi all, In order to make connections, I'm trying to find out the house numbers of two people who died in Melville St. Hobart before 1895. James Bates died 18/1/1873 and his 3 year old daughter died 17/7/1860, both in Melville St. (But maybe not the same house?) Are there undertaker's records for those times? Or are there other ways to ascertain the house numbers in Melville St? Karen Dunham ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1861 gazette a James Bates is listed as occupier of a house in Melville Street owned by M McLoughlin, however no street numbers are shown. In the 1870 gazette a James Bates is listed as occupier of a house at 138 Bathurst Street owned by Henry Marshall of Hill Street. On 29/09/2014 4:03 PM, Douglas via wrote: > Karen, > > Assessment or Valuation rolls for Hobart, which were printed in the > Hobart Town Gazette (Tasmanian Government Gazette), will give you owners > and occupiers of the respective addresses sorted by street, and the > addresses usually include street numbers. > > Douglas > > On 29/09/2014 2:54 PM, Karen Dunham via wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> In order to make connections, I'm trying to find out the house numbers of >> two people who died in Melville St. Hobart before 1895. James Bates died >> 18/1/1873 and his 3 year old daughter died 17/7/1860, both in Melville St. >> (But maybe not the same house?) >> >> >> >> Are there undertaker's records for those times? Or are there other ways to >> ascertain the house numbers in Melville St? >> >> >> >> Karen Dunham >> >> ------------------------------- >> AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ >> Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com >> Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi all, In order to make connections, I'm trying to find out the house numbers of two people who died in Melville St. Hobart before 1895. James Bates died 18/1/1873 and his 3 year old daughter died 17/7/1860, both in Melville St. (But maybe not the same house?) Are there undertaker's records for those times? Or are there other ways to ascertain the house numbers in Melville St? Karen Dunham

Karen, Assessment or Valuation rolls for Hobart, which were printed in the Hobart Town Gazette (Tasmanian Government Gazette), will give you owners and occupiers of the respective addresses sorted by street, and the addresses usually include street numbers. Douglas On 29/09/2014 2:54 PM, Karen Dunham via wrote: > Hi all, > > > > In order to make connections, I'm trying to find out the house numbers of > two people who died in Melville St. Hobart before 1895. James Bates died > 18/1/1873 and his 3 year old daughter died 17/7/1860, both in Melville St. > (But maybe not the same house?) > > > > Are there undertaker's records for those times? Or are there other ways to > ascertain the house numbers in Melville St? > > > > Karen Dunham > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Now available to view online at: http://www.heritage.tas.gov.au/showItem.php?id=3277 regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania & AUS-Tas-Surnames mailing lists AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Thanks to replies from Ann and Trish I have the information I need. Great stuff... only a short paragraph but adds flesh to the character of my gg uncle... Cheers, Peter On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Anne Merrick <camerrick15a@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Here is a screen grab of it - very brief mention. > > I've never had that problem with google books - I hope it's not a new > development. > > Anne > > > On Wednesday, 24 September 2014, 22:42, Peter Oakley < > pete.j.oakley@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Anne, > > That's where I found the index reference on google books. Unfortunately > it's now telling me I have reach the limit of pages in that book? So I > can't view anymore pages. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 24 Sep 2014, at 5:53 pm, Anne Merrick <camerrick15a@yahoo.com.au> > wrote: > > Hi Peter. > > It is only a one page reference and you can find it in google books > > > http://books.google.com.au/books?id=X1D5YesAa9YC&q=oakley#v=snippet&q=oakley&f=false > > Best wishes, > Anne > > > > On Wednesday, 24 September 2014, 14:42, Peter Oakley via < > aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hi Listers, > > Wondering if anyone has a copy or access to the book Maharanis, by Lucy > Moore published in 2005?. > > There is reference in an online index to Oakley (Australian Trainer) p > 108. I'm certain this is a reference to my gg uncle, Lewis Joseph Oakley > who was born at Oatlands in 1854. He became the purchaser and trainer of > horse flesh for the Maharajah of Cooch Behar in the 1890's. > > No copy available through LINCS and I don't want to have to purchase a > copy for what may be a one line reference. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > Sent from my iPhone > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Hi I am seeking advice on locating three early Hobart Town properties. 1. Around 1831 Scottish immigrant Hugh Murray sold his Macquarie River land grant and moved to Hobart Town where he took over the license of the British Hotel at 24 Liverpool Street from John Martin. He and his family appear to have initially lived there as well. Opposite was Mr John Harris, butcher and next door was Mrs Davis' music ware-room. Also opposite in 1835 was Sharps Saddlery warehouse. 2. In 1843 Hugh moved to new, purpose built premises in Collins Street, opposite the office of the "Trumpeter'. Here he operated a large Wine and Spirit store. His Liverpool Street premises were taken over by Ogilvie and Co. 3. He had a house built in Colville Street, Battery Point. I have a photo showing a large timber home with a picket fence fronting an unformed track without a footpath (Colville Street). It appears to be no longer standing. Regards Andrew Cocker

Thank you everyone, I have very kindly been helped by a lister with this query, Much appreciated, Tam -------------------------------------------------- From: "tam smith" <tamiwell@bigpond.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:55 PM To: "AUS-TASMANIA" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Subject: death look up please > Hello, > Can anyone with the pioneer Tasmania CD do a look up for me please? > Thanks, > Tam

Hello, Can anyone with the pioneer Tasmania CD do a look up for me please? Thanks, Tam

Hi Listers, Wondering if anyone has a copy or access to the book Maharanis, by Lucy Moore published in 2005?. There is reference in an online index to Oakley (Australian Trainer) p 108. I'm certain this is a reference to my gg uncle, Lewis Joseph Oakley who was born at Oatlands in 1854. He became the purchaser and trainer of horse flesh for the Maharajah of Cooch Behar in the 1890's. No copy available through LINCS and I don't want to have to purchase a copy for what may be a one line reference. Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Peter Sent from my iPhone

Hi Everyone, today I attended a workshop on 'Humanities Impact' presented by the University of Tasmania. It had to be the best 'free' workshop I've attended, some of the items discussed were: - The revamp of The Companion to Tasmanian History web site. - Revamp of the TAHO's search index (I can't wait for this) launched in a few weeks - Cascade Female Factory - Port Arthur Historic Site - Founders & Survivors web site - Female Convict Database - Aboriginal WWI soldiers - Immigration between 1945-75 Cheers Maureen Martin Ferris Little Swanport, Tasmania

Hi Jill, I can find no evidence of Samuel marrying or dying in Tas up to 1899. Samuel's marriage to Maria Tuney. You know she was only 19 years old, so it is very likely that he shaved off a few years to record his age as 28 rather than about 36 which he may well have been. This happened a lot. I'd be curious to know who the other Samuel Nelson's were in SA. The one who married in 1878, aged 60 (his birth year is a lot closer to 1816). And the one who died in 1886, aged 75. Is it possible either of these are the one from Tas? But I guess you've already looked into this. Chris. Adelaide. On 20 September 2014 15:20, Peter Oakley via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Jill, > > I guess the concrete evidence that he didn't stay in Tasmania is the > departure listing on the Peri for him on the 16 June 1850 for Adelaide. > > Go to this link - > > http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=2 > > Enter his name you will see the entry recorded in POL220/1/1 p237. Click > on that and it will bring up that volume online scroll to page 237 and then > you can download a copy of the page if you wish. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, D & J MORLEY via < > aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > > > Good morning > > Before I begin with my Question - I want to say I have all the records > for > > this man > > So please do not waste your time for me. > > > > What I do need is someone to prove to me this > > > > Samuel NELSON born around 1815 -1816 > > Sent over to Tas on the Arson in 1844 as a convict [I am not interesting > in > > what others are saying on line I don't believe it] > > Did he stay and die in Tasmania > > Or is he the one who went to South Australia as everyone is saying > > > > There are two entries for Samuel Nelson > > in the Biographical Index of South Australian that have the same man > twice > > marrying Maria TUNNEY - > > One they have coming to SA on the ship Peri from Tasmania the other just > > appeared? > > > > This is what I know > > > > He was according to the UK Hulk Records - age 28 years in 1843 - makes > him > > Born 1815 > > He was age 28 years in 1844 when he was tried was shipped out to > Tasmania - > > makes him Born: 1816 > > He was 28 years old when he married in 1851 in South Australia - makes > him > > Born 1823 > > When he died in 1890 they say he was 71 years old - makes him Born 1819 > > > > Online people are saying he was born in 1829 - now is this is so then he > > served 6 years in the army and was missing for 3 years > > which makes him 11 years old when he joined? > > I know they took boys as drummer boy ect but his all dose not add up > > He was a Boatsman - and Labourer elsewhere- listed as trade on his > convict > > papers > > > > After all that can anyone tell me if a Samuel NELSON born between 1815 - > > 1829 - die in Tasmania > > after he got his ticket of leave in 1847 > > Did this convict marry in Tasmania? > > > > Whew? > > I hope you can understand this > > > > Thankyou for reading this far > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > .....,'~._|\, > > ,/Australia\ > > \_,-----\*,_,/ > > .............*... > > > > ------------------------------- > > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com > Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Listers, Many, many thanks to Suzanne, Salley and Frances for providing me with details on the children of James & Daisy (nee Parry) O'Brien. With the details they so kindly sent me, I was able to go online again and start digging deeper and found even more information that helps sort out the family story! This list and the people who respond are just wonderful! and I'm always happy to contribute my bits whenever possible. Cheers, Elaine TAS Descendant in Reno, Nevada On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:40 PM, Elaine Hanford via <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi, Listers, Hoping SKS can help me sort out the family of Daisy Parry who married James Thomas O'Brien (James O'Brien & Myrtle Parry TAS 0087/1908) and the sister of Richard David Henry Parry -- he of infamy in the 1924 murder case of Thomas Frederick Jordan with many, many articles available through TROVE on the various court proceedings, his appeal of guilty by reason of insanity, etc. in which both James Thomas O'Brien and his wife Daisy O'Brien (sister to Richard) gave significant testimonies. I have found the birth of a Daisy Parry born 29 April 1892 to Henry Parry and Ellen Davis in Strahan, TAS (reg no. 2580). There is also the birth of a Myrtle D Parry in 1891 in Randwick NSW to William E & Bessy Parry --- but I think is not Daisy Parry. I have found James Thomas & Daisy O'Brien in the 1922 Deloraine electoral roll. I have found Daisy O'Brien with Monica Ethel O'Brien (teacher) and Noreen Blanche O'Brien (typist - who was born 27 December 1908 per manifest of return sailing on the ship Iberia from England in 1958. James is in the 1914 Deloraine electoral roll but Daisy is not listed with him...perhaps because of her age if she is the Daisy Parry born in 1892. James Thomas O'Brien was born 17 September 1886 Hobart and died accidentally in 1930 when struck by a falling spar on the West Coast road, as his son James Thomas O'Brien, Jr., watched & testified at the inquest. The Inquest article reported in the Advocate (TROVE) on Thursday 27 March 1930 references that James Jr has two brothers and six sisters. The murder trial testimony reports in 1924 also refer to a young child of Daisy being in the Court. Other researchers on Ancestry have a number of children listed for James & Daisy...but do not include Monica & Noreen. They have James Jr as born in 1910. Unfortunately, their listings are not sourced. I've checked what Ancestry has available...and as many sources as I can find online ....but to no avail. I have James Thomas O'Brien's parents and grandparents. But need help with the parentage of Daisy Parry and the children of James & Daisy. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! cheers, Elaine TAS Descendant in Reno, Nevada ------------------------------- AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com Search the Archive (type AUS-Tasmania in the list box) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-TASMANIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Gaylene Suzanne and Elaine for great info. regards Sharon

Hi Elaine, Noreen & Monica were born to different parents - ie Edward John Lowther O'Brien & Ethel Josephine nee Robertson. I can forward the Reg nos to you if you want them, 4 others, may be more before 1900. these births are registered to your couple - maybe more after 1919 Surname: OBRIEN Given Names: Lottie Father/: James OBRIEN Mother/: Daisy OBRIEN nee Parry Date: 1909-07-20 Registration Number: 1930 Sex: F Place: JACKEYS MARSH Registration Year: 1909 Registration Number: 2884 Surname: OBRIEN: James Thomas James Thomas OBRIEN : Daisy OBRIEN nee Parry Date: 1910-12-22 Place: ZEEHAN Registration Year: 1911 Registration Number: 4163 Surname: OBRIEN: Ellen James Thomas OBRIEN : Daisy OBRIEN nee Parry Date: 1913-04-24 Sex: F Place: MEANDER Registration Year: 1913 Registration Number: 2775 Surname: OBRIEN: John Henry James Thomas OBRIEN : Daisy OBRIEN nee Parry Date: 1916-07-23 Sex: M Place: WEST MEANDER Registration Year: 1916 Surname: OBRIEN: Gladys James Thomas OBRIEN : Daisy OBRIEN nee Parry Date: 1918-11-15 Sex: F Place: MEANDER WEST Registration Year: 1918 Registration Number: 1552 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Elaine Hanford via" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:40 AM To: "AUS-Tasmania Roots web" <aus-tasmania@rootsweb.com> Subject: [AUS-Tas] sorting out the Parry & O'Brien family children > > > Other researchers on Ancestry have a number of children listed for James & > Daisy...but do not include Monica & Noreen. They have James Jr as born in > 1910. Unfortunately, their listings are not sourced. > > I've checked what Ancestry has available...and as many sources as I can > find online ....but to no avail. I have James Thomas O'Brien's parents and > grandparents. But need help with the parentage of Daisy Parry and the > children of James & Daisy. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! >