Attention Mike and Maureen: My thanks for the referral you provided regarding my request for information regarding St Matthews Church at New Forfolk. Kind regards, Val Date

Hi Val, I have a photo, but this link is better: http://www.newnorfolk.org/~st_matthews/ Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Val Date <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Photos of Churches, Chapels, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools Hello Mike, I wonder if you have a photo of St Matthews Anglican church in New Norfolk please? Members of my family christened and married there. My great great grandfather William Gregson was a convict, with his occupations being listed as a carpenter, joiner and bricklayer, which enabled him to be largely responsible for extensive modifications to St Matthews church, which commenced in 1835 and completed in the 1850s. From 1935 to 1943 his grandson William Witt Gregson served in that church as vicar. Yours sincerely, Val Date, formerly Gregson _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.rootsweb.com%2F~austashs%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeef44a6790d42e41feb08d5ccd86a28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636640152235019283&sdata=UycvSvC99uGVX7ouqSbLRpLVli9EoIe%2Bsi%2Bhtj5ggoo%3D&reserved=0 Contact Admin [email protected] _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeef44a6790d42e41feb08d5ccd86a28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636640152235019283&sdata=8Dx2hDi5Q%2FIgHWiY2yd0R8vAx0IsTjPenPbhZDJ6zrU%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Faus-tasmania%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeef44a6790d42e41feb08d5ccd86a28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636640152235019283&sdata=rjUOGZjdHtzKlEKzJXQ4g6r3v5UY3n5w5WIdnXMxu9M%3D&reserved=0 Archives: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Faus-tasmania%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeef44a6790d42e41feb08d5ccd86a28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636640152235019283&sdata=SyM2DLGGHfw%2BcgZryjzLsdotOAZwWTsERmpV9Pa5Pm4%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeef44a6790d42e41feb08d5ccd86a28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636640152235019283&sdata=aXsWwANCdSgnVj4zlBaTZaXRXGAF7EKXgXENGZGytxU%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7Caeef44a6790d42e41feb08d5ccd86a28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636640152235019283&sdata=rCjT%2FX0B9NqvyH2HTtoXAb50pT8ShlcHQtPpTuy2Xs8%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Mike, I wonder if you have a photo of St Matthews Anglican church in New Norfolk please? Members of my family christened and married there. My great great grandfather William Gregson was a convict, with his occupations being listed as a carpenter, joiner and bricklayer, which enabled him to be largely responsible for extensive modifications to St Matthews church, which commenced in 1835 and completed in the 1850s. From 1935 to 1943 his grandson William Witt Gregson served in that church as vicar. Yours sincerely, Val Date, formerly Gregson

Ian, You should also check out the following - http://monissa.com/ccphotos/ https://churchesoftasmania.blogspot.com.au/ http://ontheconvicttrail.blogspot.com/ I have copies of many photos and paintings of these institutions, but not in a published format. If you have a particular interest, just ask. -- Mike Hurburgh Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Hi List, For the past 25 years or so Sandra Duck and myself have been collecting (and will publish) a Pictorial of Tasmania Churches. We have around 1160 churches in our database and need photographs for about 330 of them so far. The database will be published on DVD and will take another year or so to complete, as you can imagine it's a monster task with ever changing status of churches and conflicting information. The newspapers 'Trove' has helped us with much of our information. Best wishes Maureen Martin Ferris

"Roger that , M.Y. " R > > Format your messages as Plain text - not HTML or Rich Text. > > Remove footers and excess message text from replies to messages. > > If replying to a Digest change subject line to the specific subject you are > replying to and remove all headers, footers, and text that is not > applicable > to the message you are replying to. > > Regards, > > Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania > >

Dear Carol Thank you. This will be very helpful. Ian Turnull Dear Ian and list, Ian wrote the following recently: "Incidentally I started to build up a collection of photos of Churches,Chapel, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools. These are so much a part of life and for genealogists ass to the fabric of the family history. It is a pity that we don't all contribute to a common file so that we do not all have to search Trove or other resources separately. There is a similar website in South Australia which has obituaryies another wonderful source of information. Just a comment which I hope inspires some clever lister who may start something like this. I would definitely contribute as I have done to the obituary website." I kinow of one blog that is posting images of Tas. Churches: https://churchesoftasmania.blogspot.com/ I run a Facebook page with Douglas Burbury and Ray Sawford dedicated to the Tasmanian Midlands, which has a host of images of the public buildings you speak of Ian, and is searchable here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/464183353788099/ There are also superb FaceBook pages for other areas and major towns which cover the same topics, and the Gravesites of Tasmania FaceBook page has images of practically every church in the state, way back when and now. It's at: https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=gravesites%20of%20tasmania Best wishes, Carol Brill

Dear Ian and list, Ian wrote the following recently: "Incidentally I started to build up a collection of photos of Churches,Chapel, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools. These are so much a part of life and for genealogists ass to the fabric of the family history. It is a pity that we don't all contribute to a common file so that we do not all have to search Trove or other resources separately. There is a similar website in South Australia which has obituaryies another wonderful source of information. Just a comment which I hope inspires some clever lister who may start something like this. I would definitely contribute as I have done to the obituary website." I kinow of one blog that is posting images of Tas. Churches: https://churchesoftasmania.blogspot.com/ I run a Facebook page with Douglas Burbury and Ray Sawford dedicated to the Tasmanian Midlands, which has a host of images of the public buildings you speak of Ian, and is searchable here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/464183353788099/ There are also superb FaceBook pages for other areas and major towns which cover the same topics, and the Gravesites of Tasmania FaceBook page has images of practically every church in the state, way back when and now. It's at: https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=gravesites%20of%20tasmania Best wishes, Carol Brill _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

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Hi Peter You have to be careful as there were two William Robertsons in Hobart Town in the 1830s. You are right about the ship “Thomas” and it did catch alight and sink. They were headed for Sydney but decided to stay and he had a shop in Elizabeth Street. If you are interested in reading further go to the blog site at http://williamrobertsonwooling.blogspot.com . William Robertson went on to become a prominent citizen of Victoria and settled at Mount Macedon. I also have an early connection through Benjamin Travers Solly (his wife was the sister of my gg grandmother Margaret Watts) – see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Solly-142 whose daughter Jane married Thomas Bather Moore. Ian From: Peter Oakley <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 8:27 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Re: Henry Kettle/Marion Robertson Hi Ian, I skimmed some stuff on the Robertsons but weren't they a big presence in VDL in the early 1820's. Did brothers come out from Scotland and take up a fair sized grant? There was also something in an article I read in one of the Victorian newspapers. It had something to do with the Robertsons and the ship "Thomas". It caught afire and they had to remain at Port Phillip..?? Damned if I can find the article but I think it had something to do with the surname Bertram? Reminiscences of old colonist or something... Cheers, Peter On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Ian Turnbull <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hi Peter Thank you so much for your work below. I do have the article which I only found earlier today. Although Henry Kettle snr is not my ancestor, Marion, his wife, is my gg grandmother along with her second husband George Jeffries Stokes. The little that I have been able to find out about him amazes me. He was quite an achiever and commanded much respect for one so young. This is what is driving me to find out more about him including his origins - dob, place of birth and parents. I was also surprised to learn that he was a sponsored immigrant who travelled in steerage. He died at 35 but I have not found what caused his death. He was a Juror in Melbourne only weeks before his death. He left quite a substantial estate for one so young. I am also curious to know was he alone in Australia or did other siblings also come out. There is also the question of whether he and Marion went to Melbourne and then encouraged William Robertson (his father-in-law) and family to follow or if it was the other way around. They both lived in Collins Street Melbourne. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 5:31 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Henry Kettle/Marion Robertson Hi Ian, It appears most of the later Kettle story took place in Victoria after Henry and Marion moved there in 1838. There is an article in the" Mercury', 23 Dec 1922 page 13 that is a recap from the Melbourne 'Argus' talking about Henry Kettle Jr and his life there. The first part of the article states - MR. HENRY KETTLE. MELBOURNE'S ELDEST SON. There can be very few, if any, who could dispute the claim of Mr Henry Kettle of Gisborne to be Melbourne's eldest surviving son (says the Mel - bourne "Argus". His parents, who were married in Hobart Town in 1837, arrived in Melbourne early in 1838 where they lived in what was then a quiet spot in the city, in Swanston-street, close to the Flinders-Lane corner. Mr. Kettle, sen- ior, was a plumber by trade, and com- menced in business in Collins-street, where he opened a shop on the south side close to Swanston-street. It is rather difficult at the present day to imagine a plumber's shop on the block, even though it be on the south side . An cxtract from the family Bible shows "Henry Kettle, son of Henry Kettle in the county of Bourke, New South Wales (born on the 11th day of July, 1838) was baptised by me on the 29th day of July, 1838. William Water field, Protestant presenting minister. It goes on to say that Henry Kettle Sr died in 1842 ( an article in a Melbourne newspaper from 1930 states exact date was 26 July 1842) and the younger Henry was bought up by his grandfather, William Robertson. His mother Marion remarried in 1843 to George Jeffries Stokes. She died in 1858. There may have been some toing and froing between Victoria and VDL between 1838 and 1842. There are a number of references to Mr H Kettle and Mrs Kettle and sister in newspapers on different ship passenger lists in that period. Henry Kettle Senior also seemed prominent in the founding of the Congregational Church in both Tasmania and Victoria. This article talks about the development of Congregationalism in Tasmania and mentions John Nisbet who married Henry and Marion in 1837- http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/C/Congregationalism.htm The earliest register for a Congregational marriage in Hobart is listed under Davey Street but it seems coincidental that the first entry is the 3 October 1837? the same as Henry and Marion Kettles marriage notice in the paper - Congregational Union of Tasmania (NG586) Davey Street Marriage Register 3 Oct 1837 - 24 Dec 1895 NS663/1/1 Z2234 (this is the microfilm no. in the Microspace at LINC Hobart) Perhaps the earliest marriage records for Collins St were entered or merged with Davey St? Hope that gives you some bones to hang more flesh on... Cheers, Peter On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Catherine Hamilton <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Here’s Henry’s marriage announcement. > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4169411 > > Cheers > > Catherine > > On 4 Jun 2018, at 11:48 pm, Ian Turnbull <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am trying to find the birth date and place of Henry Kettle b abt 1812 who > married Marion Robertson b 29 Mar 1821 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland > on > 3 Oct 1837 at Independent Chapel, Collins Street, Hobart, Tasmania, > Australia. > > > > I have been unable to find Henry's arrival in Hobart or even confirmation > of > the marriage. > > > > Could some kind lister help me. > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/aus- > [email protected]/ <http://[email protected]/> > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/aus- > [email protected]/ <http://[email protected]/> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Ian, I skimmed some stuff on the Robertsons but weren't they a big presence in VDL in the early 1820's. Did brothers come out from Scotland and take up a fair sized grant? There was also something in an article I read in one of the Victorian newspapers. It had something to do with the Robertsons and the ship "Thomas". It caught afire and they had to remain at Port Phillip..?? Damned if I can find the article but I think it had something to do with the surname Bertram? Reminiscences of old colonist or something... Cheers, Peter On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Ian Turnbull <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Peter > > Thank you so much for your work below. > > I do have the article which I only found earlier today. > > Although Henry Kettle snr is not my ancestor, Marion, his wife, is my gg > grandmother along with her second husband George Jeffries Stokes. > > The little that I have been able to find out about him amazes me. He was > quite an achiever and commanded much respect for one so young. This is what > is driving me to find out more about him including his origins - dob, place > of birth and parents. I was also surprised to learn that he was a sponsored > immigrant who travelled in steerage. He died at 35 but I have not found > what caused his death. He was a Juror in Melbourne only weeks before his > death. He left quite a substantial estate for one so young. I am also > curious to know was he alone in Australia or did other siblings also come > out. > > There is also the question of whether he and Marion went to Melbourne and > then encouraged William Robertson (his father-in-law) and family to follow > or if it was the other way around. They both lived in Collins Street > Melbourne. > > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Oakley <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 5:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Henry Kettle/Marion Robertson > > Hi Ian, > > It appears most of the later Kettle story took place in Victoria after > Henry and Marion moved there in 1838. There is an article in the" Mercury', > 23 Dec 1922 page 13 that is a recap from the Melbourne 'Argus' talking > about Henry Kettle Jr and his life there. The first part of the article > states - > > MR. HENRY KETTLE. > MELBOURNE'S ELDEST SON. > There can be very few, if any, who > could dispute the claim of Mr Henry > Kettle of Gisborne to be Melbourne's > eldest surviving son (says the Mel - > bourne "Argus". His parents, who were > married in Hobart Town in 1837, arrived > in Melbourne early in 1838 where they > lived in what was then a quiet spot in > the city, in Swanston-street, close to the > Flinders-Lane corner. Mr. Kettle, sen- > ior, was a plumber by trade, and com- > menced in business in Collins-street, > where he opened a shop on the south > side close to Swanston-street. It is > rather difficult at the present day to > imagine a plumber's shop on the block, > even though it be on the south side . > An cxtract from the family Bible > shows "Henry Kettle, son of Henry > Kettle in the county of Bourke, New > South Wales (born on the 11th day of > July, 1838) was baptised by me on the > 29th day of July, 1838. William Water > field, Protestant presenting minister. > It goes on to say that Henry Kettle Sr died in 1842 ( an article in a > Melbourne newspaper from 1930 states exact date was 26 July 1842) and the > younger Henry was bought up by his grandfather, William Robertson. His > mother Marion remarried in 1843 to George Jeffries Stokes. She died in > 1858. > > There may have been some toing and froing between Victoria and VDL between > 1838 and 1842. There are a number of references to Mr H Kettle and Mrs > Kettle and sister in newspapers on different ship passenger lists in that > period. Henry Kettle Senior also seemed prominent in the founding of the > Congregational Church in both Tasmania and Victoria. This article talks > about the development of Congregationalism in Tasmania and mentions John > Nisbet who married Henry and Marion in 1837- > > http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/C/ > Congregationalism.htm > > The earliest register for a Congregational marriage in Hobart is listed > under Davey Street but it seems coincidental that the first entry is the 3 > October 1837? the same as Henry and Marion Kettles marriage notice in the > paper - > > Congregational Union of Tasmania (NG586) > > Davey Street > > Marriage Register 3 Oct 1837 - 24 Dec 1895 NS663/1/1 Z2234 (this is the > microfilm no. in the Microspace at LINC Hobart) > Perhaps the earliest marriage records for Collins St were entered or merged > with Davey St? > > Hope that gives you some bones to hang more flesh on... > > Cheers, > > Peter > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Catherine Hamilton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Ian, > > > > Here’s Henry’s marriage announcement. > > > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4169411 > > > > Cheers > > > > Catherine > > > > On 4 Jun 2018, at 11:48 pm, Ian Turnbull <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am trying to find the birth date and place of Henry Kettle b abt 1812 > who > > married Marion Robertson b 29 Mar 1821 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland > > on > > 3 Oct 1837 at Independent Chapel, Collins Street, Hobart, Tasmania, > > Australia. > > > > > > > > I have been unable to find Henry's arrival in Hobart or even confirmation > > of > > the marriage. > > > > > > > > Could some kind lister help me. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > > Contact Admin [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/aus- > > [email protected]/ > > > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/aus- > > [email protected]/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Peter Thank you so much for your work below. I do have the article which I only found earlier today. Although Henry Kettle snr is not my ancestor, Marion, his wife, is my gg grandmother along with her second husband George Jeffries Stokes. The little that I have been able to find out about him amazes me. He was quite an achiever and commanded much respect for one so young. This is what is driving me to find out more about him including his origins - dob, place of birth and parents. I was also surprised to learn that he was a sponsored immigrant who travelled in steerage. He died at 35 but I have not found what caused his death. He was a Juror in Melbourne only weeks before his death. He left quite a substantial estate for one so young. I am also curious to know was he alone in Australia or did other siblings also come out. There is also the question of whether he and Marion went to Melbourne and then encouraged William Robertson (his father-in-law) and family to follow or if it was the other way around. They both lived in Collins Street Melbourne. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 5:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Henry Kettle/Marion Robertson Hi Ian, It appears most of the later Kettle story took place in Victoria after Henry and Marion moved there in 1838. There is an article in the" Mercury', 23 Dec 1922 page 13 that is a recap from the Melbourne 'Argus' talking about Henry Kettle Jr and his life there. The first part of the article states - MR. HENRY KETTLE. MELBOURNE'S ELDEST SON. There can be very few, if any, who could dispute the claim of Mr Henry Kettle of Gisborne to be Melbourne's eldest surviving son (says the Mel - bourne "Argus". His parents, who were married in Hobart Town in 1837, arrived in Melbourne early in 1838 where they lived in what was then a quiet spot in the city, in Swanston-street, close to the Flinders-Lane corner. Mr. Kettle, sen- ior, was a plumber by trade, and com- menced in business in Collins-street, where he opened a shop on the south side close to Swanston-street. It is rather difficult at the present day to imagine a plumber's shop on the block, even though it be on the south side . An cxtract from the family Bible shows "Henry Kettle, son of Henry Kettle in the county of Bourke, New South Wales (born on the 11th day of July, 1838) was baptised by me on the 29th day of July, 1838. William Water field, Protestant presenting minister. It goes on to say that Henry Kettle Sr died in 1842 ( an article in a Melbourne newspaper from 1930 states exact date was 26 July 1842) and the younger Henry was bought up by his grandfather, William Robertson. His mother Marion remarried in 1843 to George Jeffries Stokes. She died in 1858. There may have been some toing and froing between Victoria and VDL between 1838 and 1842. There are a number of references to Mr H Kettle and Mrs Kettle and sister in newspapers on different ship passenger lists in that period. Henry Kettle Senior also seemed prominent in the founding of the Congregational Church in both Tasmania and Victoria. This article talks about the development of Congregationalism in Tasmania and mentions John Nisbet who married Henry and Marion in 1837- http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/C/Congregationalism.htm The earliest register for a Congregational marriage in Hobart is listed under Davey Street but it seems coincidental that the first entry is the 3 October 1837? the same as Henry and Marion Kettles marriage notice in the paper - Congregational Union of Tasmania (NG586) Davey Street Marriage Register 3 Oct 1837 - 24 Dec 1895 NS663/1/1 Z2234 (this is the microfilm no. in the Microspace at LINC Hobart) Perhaps the earliest marriage records for Collins St were entered or merged with Davey St? Hope that gives you some bones to hang more flesh on... Cheers, Peter On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Catherine Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Here’s Henry’s marriage announcement. > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4169411 > > Cheers > > Catherine > > On 4 Jun 2018, at 11:48 pm, Ian Turnbull <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am trying to find the birth date and place of Henry Kettle b abt 1812 who > married Marion Robertson b 29 Mar 1821 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland > on > 3 Oct 1837 at Independent Chapel, Collins Street, Hobart, Tasmania, > Australia. > > > > I have been unable to find Henry's arrival in Hobart or even confirmation > of > the marriage. > > > > Could some kind lister help me. > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/aus- > tasman[email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/aus- > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Ian, It appears most of the later Kettle story took place in Victoria after Henry and Marion moved there in 1838. There is an article in the" Mercury', 23 Dec 1922 page 13 that is a recap from the Melbourne 'Argus' talking about Henry Kettle Jr and his life there. The first part of the article states - MR. HENRY KETTLE. MELBOURNE'S ELDEST SON. There can be very few, if any, who could dispute the claim of Mr Henry Kettle of Gisborne to be Melbourne's eldest surviving son (says the Mel - bourne "Argus". His parents, who were married in Hobart Town in 1837, arrived in Melbourne early in 1838 where they lived in what was then a quiet spot in the city, in Swanston-street, close to the Flinders-Lane corner. Mr. Kettle, sen- ior, was a plumber by trade, and com- menced in business in Collins-street, where he opened a shop on the south side close to Swanston-street. It is rather difficult at the present day to imagine a plumber's shop on the block, even though it be on the south side . An cxtract from the family Bible shows "Henry Kettle, son of Henry Kettle in the county of Bourke, New South Wales (born on the 11th day of July, 1838) was baptised by me on the 29th day of July, 1838. William Water field, Protestant presenting minister. It goes on to say that Henry Kettle Sr died in 1842 ( an article in a Melbourne newspaper from 1930 states exact date was 26 July 1842) and the younger Henry was bought up by his grandfather, William Robertson. His mother Marion remarried in 1843 to George Jeffries Stokes. She died in 1858. There may have been some toing and froing between Victoria and VDL between 1838 and 1842. There are a number of references to Mr H Kettle and Mrs Kettle and sister in newspapers on different ship passenger lists in that period. Henry Kettle Senior also seemed prominent in the founding of the Congregational Church in both Tasmania and Victoria. This article talks about the development of Congregationalism in Tasmania and mentions John Nisbet who married Henry and Marion in 1837- http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/C/ Congregationalism.htm The earliest register for a Congregational marriage in Hobart is listed under Davey Street but it seems coincidental that the first entry is the 3 October 1837? the same as Henry and Marion Kettles marriage notice in the paper - Congregational Union of Tasmania (NG586) Davey Street Marriage Register 3 Oct 1837 - 24 Dec 1895 NS663/1/1 Z2234 (this is the microfilm no. in the Microspace at LINC Hobart) Perhaps the earliest marriage records for Collins St were entered or merged with Davey St? Hope that gives you some bones to hang more flesh on... Cheers, Peter On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Catherine Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Here’s Henry’s marriage announcement. > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4169411 > > Cheers > > Catherine > > On 4 Jun 2018, at 11:48 pm, Ian Turnbull <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am trying to find the birth date and place of Henry Kettle b abt 1812 who > married Marion Robertson b 29 Mar 1821 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland > on > 3 Oct 1837 at Independent Chapel, Collins Street, Hobart, Tasmania, > Australia. > > > > I have been unable to find Henry's arrival in Hobart or even confirmation > of > the marriage. > > > > Could some kind lister help me. > > > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/aus- > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/aus- > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Charles Thank you for the two lists about the above. I am still learning things about Tasmania having lived here for only 11 years. Where would I find the marriage records for people married here. The couple that I am searching are Henry Kettle/Marion Robertson who were married on 3 Oct 1837. I am hoping that I may find his place of birth so as to find his dob. I also want to find out when they went to Melbourne to live. Where would I find this? Thanks. Ian From: Charles Hunt <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 2:59 PM To: [email protected]; Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Independent Chapel, Collins Street There is a photograph at https://stors.tas.gov.au/PH30-1-3741 . Charles On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 at 10:33, Ian Turnbull <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Can any listers help me with information about the above chapel. Does it still exist? If not, what period did it exist? Are there any photos available on line? What is/was the exact street address/location? Incidentally I started to build up a collection of photos of Churches. Chapel, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools. These are so much a part of life and for genealogists ass to the fabric of the family history. It is a pity that we don't all contribute to a common file so that we do not all have to search Trove or other resources separately. There is a similar website in South Australia which has obituaryies another wonderful source of information. Just a comment which I hope inspires some clever lister who may start something like this. I would definitely contribute as I have done to the obituary website. Thanks Ian Turnbull _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There is a photograph at https://stors.tas.gov.au/PH30-1-3741 . Charles On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 at 10:33, Ian Turnbull <[email protected]> wrote: > Can any listers help me with information about the above chapel. > > > > Does it still exist? If not, what period did it exist? Are there any photos > available on line? What is/was the exact street address/location? > > > > Incidentally I started to build up a collection of photos of Churches. > Chapel, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools. > These > are so much a part of life and for genealogists ass to the fabric of the > family history. It is a pity that we don't all contribute to a common file > so that we do not all have to search Trove or other resources separately. > There is a similar website in South Australia which has obituaryies another > wonderful source of information. Just a comment which I hope inspires some > clever lister who may start something like this. I would definitely > contribute as I have done to the obituary website. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ian Turnbull > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello Ian, Independent Chapel building still exists. It is at the back of 56 Collins Street, between front added building and car park. If you look at street view on Google Maps from the corner of Market Place and Collins Street, it is the tiled roof two story building with the cement rendered wall. Charles On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 at 10:33, Ian Turnbull <[email protected]> wrote: > Can any listers help me with information about the above chapel. > > > > Does it still exist? If not, what period did it exist? Are there any photos > available on line? What is/was the exact street address/location? > > > > Incidentally I started to build up a collection of photos of Churches. > Chapel, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools. > These > are so much a part of life and for genealogists ass to the fabric of the > family history. It is a pity that we don't all contribute to a common file > so that we do not all have to search Trove or other resources separately. > There is a similar website in South Australia which has obituaryies another > wonderful source of information. Just a comment which I hope inspires some > clever lister who may start something like this. I would definitely > contribute as I have done to the obituary website. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ian Turnbull > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Can any listers help me with information about the above chapel. Does it still exist? If not, what period did it exist? Are there any photos available on line? What is/was the exact street address/location? Incidentally I started to build up a collection of photos of Churches. Chapel, Cathedrals, Hospitals and other public buildings like schools. These are so much a part of life and for genealogists ass to the fabric of the family history. It is a pity that we don't all contribute to a common file so that we do not all have to search Trove or other resources separately. There is a similar website in South Australia which has obituaryies another wonderful source of information. Just a comment which I hope inspires some clever lister who may start something like this. I would definitely contribute as I have done to the obituary website. Thanks Ian Turnbull

Hi Catherine, Thanks for that,it all helps. Regards,Max -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Hamilton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2018 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] John Knight and Jane McFarlane Link to John Knight of Lord Hungerford https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/detailnonmod al/ent:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1409879/one Marriage permission for John Knight and Jane McFarlane https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/detailnonmod al/ent:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1256430/one Cheers Catherine On 5 Jun 2018, at 7:05 am, Max Knight <[email protected]> wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to find the parents of John Knight or records of his trial in Nottingham. He married Jane/Jean Mc Farlane in New Norfolk in 1833.He came on the Lord Hungerford and I think she came on the Harmony although she is listed as free on George's permission to marry. Their son George was born in 1834.She died in New Norfolk in 1838. Also if someone could give me a link to his convict records,I have hers but can't seem to get his. Any other info would be happily received. Regards,Max Knight NZ. _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Peter, it is worth keeping in mind. Maybe a family member has a document with McCoffey on t.  I seemed to remember earlier that Catherine had been unable to read or write, so she wouldnt have known what was being written, but her husband John Webber was able to read and write.but she was a business woman later.  Those records were so faint, I could see how most folk would miss them.  Will keep it in mind.  Catherine was 50 when she passed away in 1888. Thanks for helping Edie ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Oakley" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "Edie McArthur" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 4 Jun, 2018 At 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Re: Catherine McCAFFRAY, wife of John WEBBER, lived EVandale, Tasmania MMM....interesting !! Just had a look on Ancestry and there is hiring list with Catherine McCoffey on it. Says 'sent to Launceston', employer is listed as Mr Murray, Launceston and weren't they married in the house of Mr Kennedy Murray Esq, Evandale... Cheers, Peter

Thank you, Mike, for your information. We have a number of documents that state either, Memorial Indenture or just Indenture. We also have tow documents that transfer title of Crown Land to the Church "for ever". It is difficult, from a lay person's point of view, to understand the intricacies of these documents. It might be time to get the legal profession involved, I think. Regards, Patricia *Pat Hobman* *[email protected] <[email protected]>* *" Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." Ephesians 4:32* On 31 May 2018 at 12:29, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > Patricia, > > Not one concept but two different terms - > > Memorial = copy of an original legal document, in particular for > registration\lodging with the Registrar of Deeds. The documents > (conveyances, leases, wills, etc) filed in the Deeds Office are all copies > - the originals were retained by the owner of land or the mortgagor > (solicitor or bank). > > Indenture = reference to an actual signed and sealed legal document (eg an > "Indenture between Samuel Clements, Cambridge and Mary Anne Turvey, Hobart > Town re farm or grant of 30 acres of land ...", meaning an agreement > between the parties for transfer or lease) > > Crown leases were (are?) often granted for 99 years, in effect for > perpetuity, as the parties were not expected to survive that long. But, of > course someone would have to deal with the situation sometime in the future > (best example - Hong Kong was a 99 year lease from China to the UK) > > A caveat only applies to land under the Land Titles Act and therefore > could not exist prior to transfer to private ownership. Caveats could be > applied to the new title, but only after transfer, only by someone with a > "caveatable interest", and usually only for a limited time (the Recorder of > Titles applies the caveat and therefore has the power to review and remove > it). A covenant would be a more likely way to apply a restriction on the > use of land, and would remain on the title permanently. > > Earliest churches in Tasmania were built by the Colonial Government, on > land provided by the Government, using labour and materials provided by the > Government. This was because the Church of England and Ireland was the > "Established Church", supported and controlled to some extent by the > British Government. I am not sure, but I think the construction of > churches also extended to some of the Catholic and Non-Conformist churches > as well. > > -- > > > Mike Hurburgh > > > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > >