With apologies to the list as I didn't share the following information. Charles Fixter served in WW1, was married, enlisted in Sydney. home address Gordonvale Qld. Was discharged in Melbourne and then proceeded to Qld- medical reasons. Frank Bernard Grachan was 26 and single when he enlisted and he embarked on the troop ship in Brisbane. I can't locate a WW1 file for Earle Cadger, but there is an enlistment for a Neil Cadger born Tas. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 3:02 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania > Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help for. > I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew why > men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across over 20 > names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google but couldn't > come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley Fixer (I did find > reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank Grachan (he was a walker > and > went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who appeared before the court but was > dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions as to what I should be looking for on > Google or Trove. > > > > Regards and thanks > > > > > > Irene > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hello Irene, Charles Fixter was discharged in Melbourne on 15/1/1919 and he then proceeded to Queensland for medical reasons. He also has a Repat file. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 3:23 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania > Dear Chris, only one of the three names that I was given was as far as I > know served in WW!, Charles Langley Fixter, I am waiting on the other > names. > > Many thanks > > Irene > > > > > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 > from > Tasmania > > Could you clarify please Irene..had any of these men enlisted in WW1? > > Chris > > Subject: [AUS-Tas] reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from > Tasmania > > >> Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help >> for. >> I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew >> why men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across >> over 20 names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google >> but couldn't come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley >> Fixer (I did find reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank >> Grachan (he was a walker and went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who >> appeared before the court but was dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions >> as to what I should be looking for on Google or Trove. >> >> >> >> Regards and thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Irene > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hello Irene, Here is a link to the AIF Project with details on Fixter https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=98893 born lincolnshire, lived Gordonvale Qld when he enlisted in Sydney. Served with 42nd Battalion. I'll look for his service record to see where he was discharged. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 3:23 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania > Dear Chris, only one of the three names that I was given was as far as I > know served in WW!, Charles Langley Fixter, I am waiting on the other > names. > > Many thanks > > Irene > > > > > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 > from > Tasmania > > Could you clarify please Irene..had any of these men enlisted in WW1? > > Chris > > Subject: [AUS-Tas] reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from > Tasmania > > >> Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help >> for. >> I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew >> why men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across >> over 20 names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google >> but couldn't come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley >> Fixer (I did find reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank >> Grachan (he was a walker and went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who >> appeared before the court but was dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions >> as to what I should be looking for on Google or Trove. >> >> >> >> Regards and thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Irene > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

I would suggest "labour shortages Cairns 1920s", and "floods Cairns 1920s". I also understand that there were changes to legislation which restricted "immigrants" from working on the sugar cane fields, hence the producers would need labourers from within Australia. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 3:02 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania > Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help for. > I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew why > men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across over 20 > names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google but couldn't > come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley Fixer (I did find > reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank Grachan (he was a walker > and > went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who appeared before the court but was > dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions as to what I should be looking for on > Google or Trove. > > > > Regards and thanks > > > > > > Irene > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Dear Chris, only one of the three names that I was given was as far as I know served in WW!, Charles Langley Fixter, I am waiting on the other names. Many thanks Irene Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania Could you clarify please Irene..had any of these men enlisted in WW1? Chris Subject: [AUS-Tas] reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania > Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help for. > I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew > why men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across > over 20 names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google > but couldn't come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley > Fixer (I did find reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank > Grachan (he was a walker and went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who > appeared before the court but was dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions > as to what I should be looking for on Google or Trove. > > > > Regards and thanks > > > > > > Irene --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Could you clarify please Irene..had any of these men enlisted in WW1? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 3:02 PM Subject: [AUS-Tas] reason why men went to work in Cairns after WW1 from Tasmania > Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help for. > I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew why > men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across over 20 > names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google but couldn't > come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley Fixer (I did find > reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank Grachan (he was a walker > and > went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who appeared before the court but was > dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions as to what I should be looking for on > Google or Trove. > > > > Regards and thanks > > > > > > Irene > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Dear List, This is a very different query to what I usually ask help for. I have been asked by the researcher at the Gordonvale Museum if I knew why men came to Cairns from Tasmania after WW1. He has come across over 20 names, three he gave me. I have searched on Trove and Google but couldn't come up with anything. The names were Charles Langley Fixer (I did find reference to him later living in Cairns) Frank Grachan (he was a walker and went in races 1903) Earle Cadger who appeared before the court but was dismissed in 1922) Any suggestions as to what I should be looking for on Google or Trove. Regards and thanks Irene --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi I CAN FIND Minna May Victoria Triffitt, child of Edwin and Charlotte (NEE young) 10/12/1883 New Norfolk DIED 10 October 1894 aged 10 Heart Disease Minna Elizabeth May Triffitt, child of John and Alice (nee Hay) 16/10/1893 New Norfolk DIED 10 March 1897 Aged 3 Rita Minna or Minnie Triffitt, child of Clement Llewelyn Staglewood(???) Triffitt and Barbara (Nee Tedle) 25/2/1888 Hamilton Tas. Eric Stancel Triffit son of Stancel and Mary (ne McKay) born 27/7/1894 New Norfolk Hope this helps, Sharon in Sydney Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: chimmy horse<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 7:10 PM To: Rootsweb<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-Tas] Stancil and May Triffett/Triffitt nee Mckie I have a pic of Minna Triffitt. I was told she was the daughter of the above couple. But the only birth and death I can find is for a Minna May Victoria the Dtr of Edwin and Charlotte Triffitt nee young. I was told she died not long after the picture was taken. I have found that Stancil and may have 3 sons. No mention of a daughter. Anyone help with a solution Thanks Kitty Tas _______________________________________________

I have a pic of Minna Triffitt. I was told she was the daughter of the above couple. But the only birth and death I can find is for a Minna May Victoria the Dtr of Edwin and Charlotte Triffitt nee young. I was told she died not long after the picture was taken. I have found that Stancil and may have 3 sons. No mention of a daughter. Anyone help with a solution Thanks Kitty Tas

Thanks! On Sat, 23 Jun. 2018, 9:59 pm Ian Turnbull, <[email protected]> wrote: > I thought that listers may be interested in this website - > https://www.fisheaters.com/religiousorderabbreviations.html > > > > Ian Turnbull > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

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Very well known in Tas history! He wrote the first history of the colony which was published by Henry Dowling! Susan Patterson Dunnstown > On 23 Jun 2018, at 6:00 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > 09Marriages

Hi Lyn, Reverend John West http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/west-john-2784 regards, Meryl Yost -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Carruthers <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 22 June 2018 7:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] help with a ministers name G'DAY All, I am having trouble trying to work out the Ministers name in these marriages. I have come up with JohnWEST, WISE and WREN. On side looks like he has signed J. John WEN...Have tried Trove but getting nowhere. Anybody know? Cheers Lyn VIC https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=m aynard&qu=1846&qf=NI_INDEX%09Record+type%09Marriages%09Marriages

G'DAY All, I am having trouble trying to work out the Ministers name in these marriages. I have come up with JohnWEST, WISE and WREN. On side looks like he has signed J. John WEN...Have tried Trove but getting nowhere. Anybody know? Cheers Lyn VIC https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=m aynard&qu=1846&qf=NI_INDEX%09Record+type%09Marriages%09Marriages

Thank you also Carol, this is really good news Family trees on Ancestry give parents for Charles the convict Joseph Thorpe and Frances Naylor of Rutland However can't be sure that Charles was the father of Martha's son? But have to presume if that is the only option. Cheers M -----Original Message----- From: Carol Brill <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2018 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Charles THORPE b 1830 Hobart Hi Peter and Marg, I also had a look at Charles and Martha yesterday and found some more bits and pieces, before getting lost in researching my rellie Robert Frost, who established and ran the Rose and Crown before moving to Victoria, and before Charles Thorpe took it over. I'll insert my material into Peter's comprehensive file. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2018 1:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Charles THORPE b 1830 Hobart Hi Marg, Its a possibility that Charles W H Thorpe may have been the son of Charles Thorpe and Martha Dudley. If Charles Jr was born circa 1830 then he may have been illegitimate as that pair didn't marry until 1832 - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD36-1-2p38j2k Unfortunately can't seem to find a baptism for him in that time period either? If you look at the NSWs BDMs online you see in the index that Charles W H Thorpe's father is unidentified but mother is named as Martha. He's identified in the newspaper death notices as ex Inspector of police. https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?3 The newspapers from 1892 have a Martha Thorpe who was mother to Inspector Thorpe...so I presume this is his mother? The online indexs reference for her is here - https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?8 Carol: "Martha Thorpe left VDL with her child (Louisa) in 1829: SHIP NEWS SAILED FROM HOBART TOWN. July 7. - The barque St. George, for Sydney Captain George Findlay. with 2,000 bushels of wheat on account of His Majesty's Government and 1,500 bushels ditto, shipped by Mr. George Whitcomb, and part of her import cargo. Passengers,— Mr. and Mrs. George Whitcomb, Mrs. Chapman and son, Messrs. James Coles, William Smith, James Murdoch, David Wllcox, Martha Dudley and child. - Launceston Advertiser (Tas.), 13 July 1829 Whether she is the same woman who married Charles Snr. is an unknown, but seems probable to me." The family appear to have left VDL circa 1835. Charles Sr was an insolvent and in debtors prison just prior to this. He appears to have been a hotel proprietor at Newtown before things started to get bad. Carol: "...charged him with knowingly harbouring a constable while on duty. It appeared that the constable was stationed somewhere near Austin's Ferry, and had come into town to receive his money, and had taken up his lodgings at Mr. Thorpe's public-house. The Chief Constable deposed that it was the custom for constables coming into town on duty to provide themselves with lodging, and that they held no memorandum authorising them to do so. For the defence, it appeared that the constable told Mr. Thorpe he had come into town on duty, and requested to be furnished with a bed, which was complied with; and on the following morning he went away, but returned towards the evening, and desired to have another bed, with which he was furnished. Mr. Thorpe contended that it was frequently the practice of constables to remain in town a week or two at a time as witnesses, or on other duty; and while in town, by the evidence of the Chief Constable, they were allowed to provide for themselves ; how, therefore, was it possible for publicans to contradict a constable, who chose to say he was on duty? Mr. Mason said, that under such circumstances they ought to be furnished with an authority, signed by the Chief Constable, for remaining in town; and he desired that they might in future be so furnished.—Fined in the lowest penalty of 10s. and costs. - Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas.), 11 November 1834 The following Transfers of Licences were granted:- Charles Thorpe, to Thomas Wells,, Rose and Crown, New Town Road; - Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas.), 3 February 1835 Notice. In the Matter of Charles Thorpe, a Prisoner confined for debt, in His Majesty's Gaol, at Hobart Town. NOTICE is hereby given, that the above-named Prisoner did, on the tenth day of April, instant, present his Petition to the Supreme Court of Van Diemen's Land, praying for relief, pursuant to the Provisions of an Act, entitled an ' Act, for extending the Act lately passed, for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors, to all Debtors now in custody for debt,'- True Colonist Van Diemen's Land Political Despatch, and Agricultural and Commercial... (Hobart Town, Tas. ), 24 April 1835 Hobart Town Police Report. Saturday, June 16. Nearly all the day was occupied in investigating the charge against William Scott... [This was something after the manner of the notorious Charles Thorpe, formerly employed at Government House, who, after trying every experiment to obtain indulgence, at last pretended to have been beaten at the back part of Government House, by persons, who, as he stated, he believed intended to rob the house. Thorpe succeeded, and obtained his indulgence -took a public-house in Hobart Town, the Rose and Crown-became insolvent-then went to Sydney, and there got transported for forgery, and afterwards absconded into the bush.-ED.} - Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas.), 19 June 1838" Best wishes, Carol Brill. _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Peter and Marg, I also had a look at Charles and Martha yesterday and found some more bits and pieces, before getting lost in researching my rellie Robert Frost, who established and ran the Rose and Crown before moving to Victoria, and before Charles Thorpe took it over. I'll insert my material into Peter's comprehensive file. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2018 1:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Charles THORPE b 1830 Hobart Hi Marg, Its a possibility that Charles W H Thorpe may have been the son of Charles Thorpe and Martha Dudley. If Charles Jr was born circa 1830 then he may have been illegitimate as that pair didn't marry until 1832 - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD36-1-2p38j2k Unfortunately can't seem to find a baptism for him in that time period either? If you look at the NSWs BDMs online you see in the index that Charles W H Thorpe's father is unidentified but mother is named as Martha. He's identified in the newspaper death notices as ex Inspector of police. https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?3 The newspapers from 1892 have a Martha Thorpe who was mother to Inspector Thorpe...so I presume this is his mother? The online indexs reference for her is here - https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?8 Carol: "Martha Thorpe left VDL with her child (Louisa) in 1829: SHIP NEWS SAILED FROM HOBART TOWN. July 7. - The barque St. George, for Sydney Captain George Findlay. with 2,000 bushels of wheat on account of His Majesty's Government and 1,500 bushels ditto, shipped by Mr. George Whitcomb, and part of her import cargo. Passengers,— Mr. and Mrs. George Whitcomb, Mrs. Chapman and son, Messrs. James Coles, William Smith, James Murdoch, David Wllcox, Martha Dudley and child. - Launceston Advertiser (Tas.), 13 July 1829 Whether she is the same woman who married Charles Snr. is an unknown, but seems probable to me." The family appear to have left VDL circa 1835. Charles Sr was an insolvent and in debtors prison just prior to this. He appears to have been a hotel proprietor at Newtown before things started to get bad. Carol: "...charged him with knowingly harbouring a constable while on duty. It appeared that the constable was stationed somewhere near Austin's Ferry, and had come into town to receive his money, and had taken up his lodgings at Mr. Thorpe's public-house. The Chief Constable deposed that it was the custom for constables coming into town on duty to provide themselves with lodging, and that they held no memorandum authorising them to do so. For the defence, it appeared that the constable told Mr. Thorpe he had come into town on duty, and requested to be furnished with a bed, which was complied with; and on the following morning he went away, but returned towards the evening, and desired to have another bed, with which he was furnished. Mr. Thorpe contended that it was frequently the practice of constables to remain in town a week or two at a time as witnesses, or on other duty; and while in town, by the evidence of the Chief Constable, they were allowed to provide for themselves ; how, therefore, was it possible for publicans to contradict a constable, who chose to say he was on duty? Mr. Mason said, that under such circumstances they ought to be furnished with an authority, signed by the Chief Constable, for remaining in town; and he desired that they might in future be so furnished.—Fined in the lowest penalty of 10s. and costs. - Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas.), 11 November 1834 The following Transfers of Licences were granted:- Charles Thorpe, to Thomas Wells,, Rose and Crown, New Town Road; - Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas.), 3 February 1835 Notice. In the Matter of Charles Thorpe, a Prisoner confined for debt, in His Majesty's Gaol, at Hobart Town. NOTICE is hereby given, that the above-named Prisoner did, on the tenth day of April, instant, present his Petition to the Supreme Court of Van Diemen's Land, praying for relief, pursuant to the Provisions of an Act, entitled an ' Act, for extending the Act lately passed, for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors, to all Debtors now in custody for debt,'- True Colonist Van Diemen's Land Political Despatch, and Agricultural and Commercial... (Hobart Town, Tas. ), 24 April 1835 Hobart Town Police Report. Saturday, June 16. Nearly all the day was occupied in investigating the charge against William Scott... [This was something after the manner of the notorious Charles Thorpe, formerly employed at Government House, who, after trying every experiment to obtain indulgence, at last pretended to have been beaten at the back part of Government House, by persons, who, as he stated, he believed intended to rob the house. Thorpe succeeded, and obtained his indulgence -took a public-house in Hobart Town, the Rose and Crown-became insolvent-then went to Sydney, and there got transported for forgery, and afterwards absconded into the bush.-ED.} - Colonial Times (Hobart, Tas.), 19 June 1838" Best wishes, Carol Brill.

Hi Peter thank you so much for that very comprehensive answer. Quite excited to think that his parents may be confirmed. It does sound correct doesn't it? What I am hoping to find (pot of gold, end of rainbow) is a Thorpe relative in the present. George Horace Thorpe b 1893 NSW died at Fromelles France 19 July 1916. It is possible he is one of those from the mass grave found in 2008 (250 Aussies buried by the Germans straight after the battle.) 159 have now been identified due to family members DNA. The family tree back to Charles Thorpe born 1830 Hobart has no male Thorpes now living, So back to his father ( the convict,) wondering if this convict had any other male children, would there be any records of this? otherwise have to find the convicts parents (but then chances are getting pretty low then.) Thanks again Marg see Fromelles Association of Australia on Facebook Fromelles Project Australian army -----Original Message----- From: Peter Oakley <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2018 1:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Charles THORPE b 1830 Hobart Hi Marg, Its a possibility that Charles W H Thorpe may have been the son of Charles Thorpe and Martha Dudley. If Charles Jr was born circa 1830 then he may have been illegitimate as that pair didn't marry until 1832 - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD36-1-2p38j2k Unfortunately can't seem to find a baptism for him in that time period either? If you look at the NSWs BDMs online you see in the index that Charles W H Thorpe's father is unidentified but mother is named as Martha. He's identified in the newspaper death notices as ex Inspector of police. https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?3 The newspapers from 1892 have a Martha Thorpe who was mother to Inspector Thorpe...so I presume this is his mother? The online indexs reference for her is here - https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?8 The family appear to have left VDL circa 1835. Charles Sr was an insolvent and in debtors prison just prior to this. He appears to have been a hotel proprietor at Newtown before things started to get bad. He seems to have got into more strife in NSW's for forging a promissory note. He then tried to flee to England on the "Sussanah" with his wife and child. However it turned out his real wife and child were at the place they resided (Mr McDonalds) and he was fleeing with a Mrs Williams? He was sentenced to life and transportation to Norfolk Island. He was housed in a hulk for a time and then escaped custody. They were still searching for him in 1840? Its of note too that a Martha Dudley had a daughter at New Norfolk in 1827 name Louisa - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-1-p159j2k Whether she is the same Martha that married Charles Thorpe in 1832 I couldn't say but if she was it could be an indication of an illegitimate birth for Charles Jr. Not sure if that is helpful to your quest or not... Cheers, Peter On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:49 PM, marg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > > New to the list > > I hope someone is able to help as I have a bit of a brick wall here > > Charles W H THOPE pops up in Patricks Plains in NSW in the 1850s, > married To Susannah Waters > > He is believed to be born 1830 in Tasmania. > > Some trees on Ancestry have him as son of Charles Thorpe and Martha > Dudley who were convicts. > > I am not sure how to prove, disprove this one? I do need to find his > true parents.. > > NB two of his sons were also in NSW police force. > > Most grateful for any ideas. > > Kind regards > > Marg O'Leary > Hunter Valley > NSW > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasm > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/aus-tasm > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Contact Admin [email protected] _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] m/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected] m/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Marg, Its a possibility that Charles W H Thorpe may have been the son of Charles Thorpe and Martha Dudley. If Charles Jr was born circa 1830 then he may have been illegitimate as that pair didn't marry until 1832 - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD36-1-2p38j2k Unfortunately can't seem to find a baptism for him in that time period either? If you look at the NSWs BDMs online you see in the index that Charles W H Thorpe's father is unidentified but mother is named as Martha. He's identified in the newspaper death notices as ex Inspector of police. https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?3 The newspapers from 1892 have a Martha Thorpe who was mother to Inspector Thorpe...so I presume this is his mother? The online indexs reference for her is here - https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?8 The family appear to have left VDL circa 1835. Charles Sr was an insolvent and in debtors prison just prior to this. He appears to have been a hotel proprietor at Newtown before things started to get bad. He seems to have got into more strife in NSW's for forging a promissory note. He then tried to flee to England on the "Sussanah" with his wife and child. However it turned out his real wife and child were at the place they resided (Mr McDonalds) and he was fleeing with a Mrs Williams? He was sentenced to life and transportation to Norfolk Island. He was housed in a hulk for a time and then escaped custody. They were still searching for him in 1840? Its of note too that a Martha Dudley had a daughter at New Norfolk in 1827 name Louisa - https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-1-p159j2k Whether she is the same Martha that married Charles Thorpe in 1832 I couldn't say but if she was it could be an indication of an illegitimate birth for Charles Jr. Not sure if that is helpful to your quest or not... Cheers, Peter On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:49 PM, marg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > > New to the list > > I hope someone is able to help as I have a bit of a brick wall here > > Charles W H THOPE pops up in Patricks Plains in NSW in the 1850s, married > To Susannah Waters > > He is believed to be born 1830 in Tasmania. > > Some trees on Ancestry have him as son of Charles Thorpe and Martha Dudley > who were convicts. > > I am not sure how to prove, disprove this one? I do need to find his true > parents.. > > NB two of his sons were also in NSW police force. > > Most grateful for any ideas. > > Kind regards > > Marg O'Leary > Hunter Valley > NSW > > > > _______________________________________________ > AUS-Tasmania Mailing List Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ > Contact Admin [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/aus-tasm > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/aus-tasm > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Have checked the birth register for the boy born in 1834. Henry William Emerson Tennent Dawson was born on 11 February 1834, the son of Samuel Robinson Dawson, gentleman, and wife Octavia, of Clarence Plains. Cheers Judy -----Original Message----- From: Judy Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Re: Request for assistence re Joseph Pedder (1806-1883) Maree and all, I've had a look at Joseph Pedder's conduct record in TAHO. The police magistrate's initials at the end of the info re each of his three offences in 1836-37 appear to be "S. R. D." not "S. B. D." I did a random search on treasure-TROVE for these initials and years, and came up with a very unexpected result. The magistrate in question may have been S. R. Dawson of Clarence Plains, who had letters published in the True Colonist newspaper on 2 September 1836, p.275, col.2. He seems to have been in dispute with a Peter Roberts. Here's a bit of the article. "I have now done with Mr. Peter Roberts, and doubt not but the public will concur with me in opinion that all his facts so far have proved to be sheer inventions or expediencies, put forth to promote his own distorted and interested views; therefore, however many the phantoms which his prolific brain may yet conjure up, I shall not trouble myself to exercise more of them, but remain in silence, Mr. Editor, your obedient servant, S. R. Dawson. Clarence Plains, Aug. 29, 1836" Another entry in The Colonist is for 11 March 1834: "BIRTH.—At Claremont, Clarence Plains, on the 12th ultimo, the Lady of S. R. Dawson, Esq., J. P., of a son." Those who know more than me about the history of the area may have more information on Mr. Dawson. TROVE is so wonderful, isn't it. Judy

Maree and all, I've had a look at Joseph Pedder's conduct record in TAHO. The police magistrate's initials at the end of the info re each of his three offences in 1836-37 appear to be "S. R. D." not "S. B. D." I did a random search on treasure-TROVE for these initials and years, and came up with a very unexpected result. The magistrate in question may have been S. R. Dawson of Clarence Plains, who had letters published in the True Colonist newspaper on 2 September 1836, p.275, col.2. He seems to have been in dispute with a Peter Roberts. Here's a bit of the article. "I have now done with Mr. Peter Roberts, and doubt not but the public will concur with me in opinion that all his facts so far have proved to be sheer inventions or expediencies, put forth to promote his own distorted and interested views; therefore, however many the phantoms which his prolific brain may yet conjure up, I shall not trouble myself to exercise more of them, but remain in silence, Mr. Editor, your obedient servant, S. R. Dawson. Clarence Plains, Aug. 29, 1836" Another entry in The Colonist is for 11 March 1834: "BIRTH.—At Claremont, Clarence Plains, on the 12th ultimo, the Lady of S. R. Dawson, Esq., J. P., of a son." Those who know more than me about the history of the area may have more information on Mr. Dawson. TROVE is so wonderful, isn't it. Judy