Hi Diane and listers, Thankyou for your kind welcome to the list. I do have quite a bit of info on William PRESNELL and Ann FOWLER, but am always looking to increase my knowledge of this family, which is quite perplexing in many ways. I will try not too bore you with all the details, but here are some: Ann FOWLER was sentenced to seven years in Shropshire (no details of her birth (abt 1764) or offence known at this stage). She was sent to Port Jackson on 'Royal Admiral' in 1792. She had a baby to another convict, Joseph Abbott (not the marine with the same name as some have mistakenly assumed), also named Joseph, but he died as an infant. Ann was sent to Norfolk Island around 1800 but I have not found any details of the trip. William PRESNELL was sentenced to Life at Essex in 1797 for three counts of cattle stealing and one of horse stealing. He came to Pt J on Barwell in 1798. I have not found records of his birth (abt 1765) or parents either. He was sent to NI around 1800. There he met Ann. They had Elizabeth in 1802 and Thomas in 1804. The family came to Hobart on 'City of Edinburgh' in 1808. There is however, a record of a third child accompanying them, but details are not known for sure. Its name is given as Joseph (in a publication whose name escapes me at the moment), but there are no other records of such a child. Some have conjectured that there was another child, William, who later was a tanner in Hobart, but I have found nothing to convince me that this person was their son. William and Ann also had a daughter, Sarah, about 1808. Records of her birth have not been foound, so perhaps she was an infant on the trip, or perhaps was born shortly after their arrival in Hobart. There is also a James Fowler recorded as being born to Ann Fowler in 1811. Whether his mother is this Ann or not I am not sure, but I have not found any other records of an Ann Fowler. William and Ann spent most of their time in Argyle St, and William was a very successful business man, supplying the government with meat and running the Eagle Tavern, amongst other things. Several other Presnells came to VDL in the 1820s. Among these was Mrs Sarah Presnell 'and family', who arrived at the end of 1822 on Regalia. When she died in 1823 at the age of 86 there was a notice in the paper from her son, William of Argyle St - so it assumed that she was 'my' William's mother. Of the other Presnells who came on various ships in the 1820s, the connection to my family is not entirely clear, although it does seem quite likely that they were all related in some way. Among these were Thomas, James, John and Abraham. It appears that they were also from Essex or thereabouts. There is a lot more that I could tell you about them, but I am not sure if this is the place. William and Ann's daughter Elizabeth married a whaler from the USA, George Robinson, with whom she had 10 children, and after his death married a much younger man, Thomas Chapman, with whom she had one daughter, Sarah, from whom I am descended. Their son Thomas died without issue. There is a plaque commemorating him and his father on the wall at St Davids park. William's daughter Sarah married Thomas Pragnall (Pregnell, etc) and had about 4 children. If you are interested in more details please contact me. If you are descended from any of these people, or any other Presnells from Tasmania, I would dearly love to hear from you. If you have any information about these people i would also love to hear from you. The more of us that work on this complicated family, the more loose ends we can tie up. At the moment I have records of more than 3000 people who are descended from William and the other Presnells who came to VDL in the 1820s. The main problem is working out the origins of, and connections between, all of the original Presnells. If you have got this far I thank you for taking the time to read it all. Kind regards, Sharon.