Irene, Liz and other listers Just to further clarify Liz's extensive list of 43 persons who came out on the Glatton and found themselves later in VDL, there are in total 49 or 50 people that can be accounted for so as having arrived on the Glatton. Liz actually listed five more of these under Peter McGuire, namely his wife Catherine and children Catherine, Robert, Mary Ann and David Isaac, making her count 48 in reality. However, I have some doubt about David Isaac, only in so far as he is listed in the 1819 muster as having been born in the colony, although one researcher has stated his birth was 1801, which would have meant he had come on the Glatton. This has yet to be followed up as there may well gbe evidence to support his birth in 1801. The other two persons who are known to have come on the Glatton are of course Henry CLAYTON, son of William Clayton (convict) and his wife Sarah who undoubtedly had accompanied his parents on the Glatton having been born around 1799, and Stephen WAIN, convict, who turns up in the 1819 muster (arrival to VDL unknown at this stage). Just to follow on regarding the Tasmanian Convict CDRom - and Irene's comment that she couldn't find any more than two listed from the Glatton, three things should be born in mind ... 1. Although sometimes inconsistent in its presentation of the data, by and large the convict transport ship on which convicts arrived to NSW is only listed in the remarks field on the CDRom, which unfortunately is NOT searchable. This deficiency is relevant for a large number of early arrivals who came to VDL via NSW rather than direct to VDL. 2. Although it is stating the obvious, the convict CDRom only covers convicts, ie persons who served their time as convicts in VDL - ie came as convicts to VDL or were convicted later in VDL itself! (although from memory I think there are several exceptions to this as info on former convicts eg as given in the 1811 muster, has also found its way onto the CDRom even if the person actually did arrive after being emancipated). This means that many persons who had been convicts in NSW (or elsewhere) and who arrived in VDL, particularly after 1811, and after their sentence had expired are generally not included. Nor are they in Tardif as a rule (but even he has a couple of exceptions where he didn't know the date of arrival for example). Thus many ex-convicts who arrived for example via Norfolk Island are not to be found in either the Convict CDRom nor in Tardif. 3. Finally, the Convict CDRom relies primarily on capturing records from AOT's extensive archives. However, where there is no known indent for an intercolonial vessel (eg many of the early intercolonial vessels up to the mid 1810's) and where a person finished their sentence fairly early (and was therefore not in later Conduct Records etc, which systems were only started a bit later - in the case of the "police" books for example 1825 from memory, and even though they were backdated!), those people slip through the net so to speak and are simply not apparent in the AOT records and therefore not found in the Convict CDRom. This applies for example to many of the arrivals per Glatton to NSW who accompanied Bowen to Risdon and stayed in VDL. We know of nine such persons to date (who are mentioned amongst those on Liz's List). For several others, we have deduced the intercolonial vessel from other sources but many others have simply arrived "unaccounted". Four at least arrived into Port Dalrymple on the Buffalo in November 1804, and one probably on the Buffalo in April 1805 to Hobart, whilst Martha Hayes arrived on the Integrity in March 1804 (with husband Henry, who had come out on the Calcutta to join his wife and child). Also on the Integrity was "son-in-law" Bowen who was returning to the Derwent. The Hayes and Bowen had been picked up from King Island after the Pilgrim on which they had left Sydney, damaged its rudder. Elizabeth Murphy came on the Sophia in Feb 1805 and the McGuires arrived on the King George in Oct 1806. Fascinating stuff indeed, tracking the arrivals of convicts via NSW to VDL. In fact extremely facinating, as I think from memory there isn't a single convict transport ship to NSW up to about 1820 that didn't have at least one person who ended up in VDL!! That's not counting the odd vessel from India or the Cape with maybe one or two convicts!. That I think is truly amazing! (The more so when the Convcit CDRom doesn't even allow you to search on that primary bit of info!) Regards Garry Wilson > > > Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] HMS Glatton > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:53:54 +1100 > From: "Elizabeth Penprase" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Irene, > Rather than send this to you privately, I thought there might be other > listers who have interests in some of the people mentioned. > I am sure there are probably more people, as know that the "Glatton" > brought out free people as well as convicts. I forgot to mention to you that > the HMS "Calcutta" was the sister ship to the "Glatton". > > Mary BELL/BILLS arrived VDL 1805-1807 > > Susannah CHAPMAN arrived VDL 1811 - 1818 > > Mildred HARRISON aka ROSE arrived VDL 1805 - 1809, "married" to William > Williams, she died 3/9/1811 > > Hannah HUNTER arrived VDL 1804 - 1811 "married" to William Pigeon, living in > Port Dalrymple in the 1811 muster. > > Elizabeth MURPHY arrived VDL aboard the "Sophia" on 5/2/1805 "married" to > Edward Westwood, she appears in several musters mainly under the name of > Elizabeth Murphy, the 1818 Muster of Hobart Free Women is the exception, in > this muster she goes by the name of Ann Westwood. > > Elizabeth ROBINSON arrived VDL 1804 - 1811, living in Port Dalrymple, she > appears in the 1811 Muster. > > Elizabeth STOKES arrived VDL on the "City of Edinburgh on the 2/10/1808 > married to Joseph Jenders/Genders, she appears in the 1811 muster under her > maiden name, later musters she is under her married name. The Tasmanian > Convicts CD states she arrived to Tasmania aboard the "Janus" in 1804, this > in my opinion is an error. > > Elizabeth HEMMINGS arrived VDL aboard the "Active" on the 9/3/1814 she is > "married" to Thomas Carter, she appears in several Hobart musters under her > maiden name although the 1819 muster tells us her name is Elizth Hemmings > als Carter. It appears she had at least 4 children by the 1818 Muster. > > Mary HAYES, arrived VDL on either the "Integrity" or the "Pilgrim" on the > 10/03/1804, wife of Henry Hayes, mother of Martha. After Henry Hayes death > Mary married William T Stocker/Stockes (clerk to Rev Robert Knopwood) on the > 27/6/1816 she was 46, he was 40. > > Ann MIDDLEBROOK arrived VDL on the "Buffalo" on the 10/11/1804, married in > NSW to James Keating in 1804, she and James has a son by the name of William > Dalrymple Keating, he was baptised on 10/3/1811, the same day Ann marries > for the second time to Joseph Edmonds. Ann appears on various musters taken > at Port Dalrymple giving her name as either Middlebrook, Keating or Edmonds. > > Sarah CLAYTON arrived VDL on the "Minstrel" on the 4/3/1813, married to > William Clayton, she came free to the colonies, lived on Norfolk Island > before she resided in Port Dalrymple. > > Martha HAYES, arrived VDL on the "Albion" 12/9/1803 "with" John Bowen. > Martha has 2 daughters by Bowen, Henrietta born in 1804 and Martha > Charlotte born in 1805. Martha marries Andrew Whitehead on 13/6/1811 and > gives birth to another daughter Mary in 1813. Martha appears in several > Hobart musters. > > William CLAYTON, arrived VDL on "Lady Nelson" on 1/3/1813 married to Sarah > Clayton (see above). > > John GEE, arrived VDL on the "Active" on the 9/3/1814, married Phoebe > McCluckey/McLackey 14/10/1816, he appears on the 1819 Hobart Muster of > Convict Men as being "on" stores. > > Edward BARNES, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he > marries Hannah Spence on the 24/10/1814. Edward died on 23/7/1817 aged 52. > Edward Barnes appears in the 1811 Muster for Hobart. > > William DENNISON, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, > William returned to Sydney early August 1804, he was only victualled for 36 > days. > > John HARRIS, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he was > victualled for 353 days > > John JACKSON, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he was > victualled for 224 days. > > John JONES, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he was > victualled for 213 days. > > Edward MONDAY/MUNDAY, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on > 12/9/1803, he was victualled for 36 days before he returns to Sydney. > Edward pops up again, this time in Port Dalrymple, where he marries Sarah > Haywood, a widow, on 18/3/1811. He appears in the 1811 Muster in Port > Dalrymple. > > Joseph PURNELL/PARNELL, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on > 12/9/1803, he was victualled for 213 days. > > Richard WRIGHT, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he > was victualled for 213 days. > > William WRIGHT, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he > was victualled for 213 days. > > William HEATH als LANE, arrived VDL on the "Lady Nelson" on 1/3/1808, he > appears on the 1811 Muster in Hobart. > > George HOPWOOD, arrived VDL on the "City of Edinburgh" on 2/10/1808, he > marries Ann Sherburd on 27/2/1809. George and Ann have at least 3 children, > George Thomas baptised 18/5/1812, John William born 28/8/1814, Christiana > born 4/8/1819. The 1805 Muster of Norfolk Island tells us his occupation is > that of a sawyer. He appears in the 1811 Muster for Hobart. > > William GARDINER, arrived VDL on the "Governor Macquarie" in September > 1816, he married Hannah Sweeney in NSW in 1810, they had 2 daughters > Eleanor and Florence. I haven't come across this man in any musters to date. > > Peter McGUIRE, arrived VDL in 1806, to work as overseer of convicts. > Peter's family accompanied him on the "Glatton", his wife was Catherine > Lennon/Lemon whom he married in 1793, children to arrive on the "Glatton" > were Catherine (b 1795), Robert (b 1796), Mary Ann (b 1799) and David Isaac > (b 1801). This couple went on to have several more children born in VDL > Peter appears in the 1811 Muster for Hobart. > > Jacob Hacket MOUNTGARRETT, (Surgeon aboard the "Glatton), arrived VDL on the > "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, he returns to Sydney only to be sent > down to Port Dalrymple in 1804 with Patterson's party. He marries Bridget > Edwards on 18/3/1811. Being part of the civil establishment, he doesn't > appear on any Musters. > > William SUMPTER, arrived VDL on the "Pilot" on 28/9/1817, he appears in the > 1819 Muster for Hobart Convict Men, he is listed as "off Stores". > > George BOSWELL, arrived VDL on the "Ruby" on 19/2/1812, the Convict CD > lists him with an alias of Bosward. George appears on the 1819 Muster for > Hobart Convict Men, being listed as "on Stores". > > John BOWEN, arrived VDL on the "Albion"/"Lady Nelson" on 12/9/1803, apart > from retuning to Sydney in the early part of 1804, then returning early > March 1804 to Hobart. He remained in the colony until August 1804. > > Thomas HOWARD, arrived VDL 1804 - 1806, he marries Elizabeth Mills ( a > widow) on the 12/3/1811. Thomas appears in the 1811 Muster for Port > Dalrymple. > > Joseph MARTIN, arrived VDL on the "Buffalo" on 4/4/1805, the Convict CD has > him arriving aboard the "Union" in 1810. He appears in the 1811 Muster for > Hobart. > > Joseph MARSHALL, arrived VDL 1805 - 1811, he appears in the 1811 Muster for > Hobart, he was granted a Conditional Pardon on 25/1/1813. > > James DUFFY, arrived VDL 1804 - 1806, he appears in the 1811 Muster for Port > Dalrymple. > > Joseph EDMONDS, arrived VDL 1804 - 1806, he appears in the 1811 Muster for > Port Dalrymple, he marries Ann Keating nee Middlebrook on the 10/3/1811. > > Thomas GREENSMITH, arrived VDL 1804 - 1806, he appears in the 1811 Muster > for Port Dalrymple, granted an Absolute Pardon 18/5/1813 > > William KELSALL, arrived VDL on the "Buffalo" on the 10/11/1804, he appears > in the 1811 Muster for Port Dalrymple, granted an Absolute Pardon on > 18/5/1813. > > James KEATING, arrived VDL on the "Buffalo" on the 10/11/1804, married Ann > Middlebrook earlier in 1804 in NSW, I vaguely remember that this man was > sent back to Sydney fairly early on. > > William EYRES, arrived VDL on the "Buffalo" on the 10/11/1804, no other > information other than the fact that he was tried in Buckinghamshire in 1801 > and given a Life sentence. > > Hugh McAVOY, arrived VDL 1804 - 1806, no other information apart from his > trial in Lancaster in 1800, he was given a 7 year sentence. > > George LOWE, arrived VDL on the "Ruby" on 19/2/1812, he marries Norah Hern/ > Honora Ahern on 21/2/1815. This couple have at least 3 children, James, b > 18/12/1815, Elizabeth b 11/12/1817 and Mary Ann b 3/11/1819. He appears in > the 1819 Muster for Hobart Free Men, he is listed as having obtained a > Certificate. > > Cornelius ROACH, arrived VDL on the "Sinbad" sometime in 1819, no other > information regarding this man. > > I hope this has been of help to you. > Regards, > Liz Penprase >