Garry.....I have two conduct records for my Henry Harris who was transported to Tas via New South Wales. Definitely same man......different info on each. Just letting you know that it can be possible. cheers Jenny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry Wilson" <garrywilson@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-Tasmania-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:42 AM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: John Smith - 15 Minutes of Fame > Shirley > > I'm intrigued as to the two records you mention for your John Smith. > > According to the Convict CDRom for John Smith per Fame/Pilot there are references to only two documents, namely: > > CON13/1 p96 which is the shipping indent and which has nothing on it relating to later misdemeanours, being what it is; > > and > > CON31/38 p18 which is indeed his convict record. > > So how come you have what appear to be two different conduct records? I checked the Convict CDRom and can't find any strays listed that might account for the additional record you say you have. > > I suggest the second "record" may in fact be for a different person, although you say there are entries on each for what appears to be same conviction in 1829. Strange! There were three John Smiths transferred on the Pilot (although the other two were BOTH from the Almorah. There were also four Smiths on the Fame, but the other three were transferred to VDL on the Admiral Cockburn. > > Plenty of room for confusion here, not to mention the number of John Smiths anyway (34 up to 1825) let alone the number of Smiths generally, but as I said there only appears to be one conduct record that I can see (and indeed there should only be one) for the man called John Smith who arrived PJ per Fame and was transported initially to Hobart per Pilot Sep 1817. This man did however end up in Port Dalrymple as he appears in the 1818 muster there, but I cannot say when he was moved from Hobart to PD, unless that appears on his conduct record, which it normally should, but given that the CON 31 records were only commenced in 1825 anything before that is a construction anyway. > > The possibility of confusion of course may explain the reference to floggings in Hobart (they may be recorded against the wrong person, confusion in Smiths reigning supreme), but it still doesn't explain the fundamental problem as to why you seem to have two records when really only one should exist and does seem according to the CDRom. > > Since your man stated in 1825 he had not been in trouble, I suggest the record for the man in Hobart with the 1818 floggings is for another person altogether and suggest that you check that record very carefully (eg its a guy from the Almorah). I suggest that the 1829 conviction was then entered erroneously on this document as well as on the one for the right John Smith. > > Is it possible for you to send me scans of the two records you have (off list as they won't come through the list), or photocopies in the mail, as I am really intrigued? > > Regards > > Garry > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug & Shirley Stevenson" <dands@net-tech.com.au> > To: <AUSTasmania-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:57 AM > Subject: convict with 2 records > > > > Does anyone know the date of the Port Dalrymple Muster of convicts in 1818 > > please? > > Convict John SMITH ship to Colony FAME 1817 and ship PILOT to VDL in Sept > > 1817. is listed in the 1818 Muster at Port Dalrymple. > > There are 2 records from theAOT for this man. > > The first entry on one states he was given 100 lashes and a 3year stay in > > Newcastle for his involvement in the stealing of a launch in the Derwent > in > > May of 1818 > > This is not recorded in the second record which was maintained at > > LauncestonHowever both records have the final entry when he was charged > with > > killing a sheep and bailed to appear in the Supreme Court. The trial did > not > > take place as he had disappeared [Feb 1829]. > > In 1825 he applied for land stating he had arrived on FAME master Dale and > > PILOT to VDL and that no manner of charges had been laid against him and > he > > had recommendations from Cimitiere and Cameron and received 30 acres of > land > > next to William Kneal on the Tamar River.This fits the second record but > not > > the first so the day and month of the 1818 muster may help. > > Thanks to the writers of the interesting posts on "confusion" > > Shirley in East Gippsland > > > > > ==== AUS-Tasmania Mailing List ==== > Don't waste valuable archive space discussing technical or other problems on the mailing list. > E-mail the list admin direct at either > AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com or austas@tasfamily.net.au > >