Hi Josie A permission to marry was only needed if either (or both) of the parties were probation pass holders or ticket-of-leave holders. It was not needed if they were holding Conditional Pardons or Certificates of Freedom. So if the John Andrew you found obtained a Conditional Pardon before his marriage in 1855 then he could be your John Andrews. I have also come across convicts with 'read & write' on their convict records who have signed their marriage certificates with a mark, and vice versa. So, I don't think you can cross him off yet ... But that doesn't necessarily mean that he is your man! Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Jo & Jim [mailto:jorowe2@dreamtilt.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:02 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] JOHN ANDREW/S Hi Tassy Convict List : For many years I have been trying to trace information on JOHN ANDREWS born circa 1827. He married in Hobart at the residence of Mrs Shaw in1855. I was in Tasmania briefly at Christmas and copied off the microfilm in Burnie a copy of the records for a John ANDREW which seemed to fit the description of my fellow in regards to birth date. Unfortunately I cannot read all the writing as the quality of the record on the film was not very good. My John Andrews married Isabella McBeath in 1855. The John Andrew that I have found obtained his TOL in 1849 and his Free Certificate in 1857. John Andrews is not listed on Applications to Marry. Is it possible this could happen if this is my fellow, or was it that he HAD to apply for permission to marry? Also his marriage record has a cross next to his name with "his mark" written next to it but the indent says he can "read and write". Does it seem feasible to cross him off my list? Your comments would be appreciated Regards Josie Andrews (out bush in Qld!) ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Many thanks Trudy, shall have to work on that one, I shall try and get a better copy of the record from the archives that may be easier to read than the one i have. Regards, Josie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] JOHN ANDREW/S > Hi Josie > > A permission to marry was only needed if either (or both) of the parties > were probation pass holders or ticket-of-leave holders. It was not needed > if they were holding Conditional Pardons or Certificates of Freedom. > > So if the John Andrew you found obtained a Conditional Pardon before his > marriage in 1855 then he could be your John Andrews. > > I have also come across convicts with 'read & write' on their convict > records who have signed their marriage certificates with a mark, and vice > versa. > > So, I don't think you can cross him off yet ... But that doesn't > necessarily mean that he is your man! > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo & Jim [mailto:jorowe2@dreamtilt.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:02 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] JOHN ANDREW/S > > Hi Tassy Convict List : For many years I have been trying to trace > information on JOHN ANDREWS born circa 1827. He married in Hobart at the > residence of Mrs Shaw in1855. I was in Tasmania briefly at Christmas and > copied off the microfilm in Burnie a copy of the records for a John ANDREW > which seemed to fit the description of my fellow in regards to birth date. > Unfortunately I cannot read all the writing as the quality of the record > on > the film was not very good. > > My John Andrews married Isabella McBeath in 1855. The John Andrew that I > have found obtained his TOL in 1849 and his Free Certificate in 1857. > John > Andrews is not listed on Applications to Marry. Is it possible this could > happen if this is my fellow, or was it that he HAD to apply for permission > to marry? Also his marriage record has a cross next to his name with "his > mark" written next to it but the indent says he can "read and write". > > Does it seem feasible to cross him off my list? > > Your comments would be appreciated > Regards Josie Andrews (out bush in Qld!) > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 1/02/2006 >