Thank you very much Trudy, this is great, just have to figure out which one is him but it's great to have some leads kind regards Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] Griffiths lookup > Hello Kerry > > Possibilities are: > > John GRIFFITH per 'Lady Harwood' departed London 26 March 1829 > John GRIFFITHS per 'John (2)' departed Spithead 6 August 1833 > John GRIFFITHS per 'Circassian' departed Plymouth 14 October 1832 > > All the other John GRIFFITHS/GRIFFITH are pre 1828 or post 1835. > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kerry Hall [mailto:kerhall@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 5:29 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] Griffiths lookup > > Hi List, > I have recently been told that another GRIFFITHS, John GRIFFITHS brother > to > Nathaniel was also sentenced at the Old Bailey,on the 29 May 1828 for > theft, > setence 7 years, aged 18.Can anyone help locate his possible arrival? What > ship etc. > Thanks in advance > Kerry > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello Kerry Possibilities are: John GRIFFITH per 'Lady Harwood' departed London 26 March 1829 John GRIFFITHS per 'John (2)' departed Spithead 6 August 1833 John GRIFFITHS per 'Circassian' departed Plymouth 14 October 1832 All the other John GRIFFITHS/GRIFFITH are pre 1828 or post 1835. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Hall [mailto:kerhall@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 5:29 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Griffiths lookup Hi List, I have recently been told that another GRIFFITHS, John GRIFFITHS brother to Nathaniel was also sentenced at the Old Bailey,on the 29 May 1828 for theft, setence 7 years, aged 18.Can anyone help locate his possible arrival? What ship etc. Thanks in advance Kerry ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi List, I have recently been told that another GRIFFITHS, John GRIFFITHS brother to Nathaniel was also sentenced at the Old Bailey,on the 29 May 1828 for theft, setence 7 years, aged 18.Can anyone help locate his possible arrival? What ship etc. Thanks in advance Kerry

My ancestor John McKeogh arrived per Lord Dalhousie in 1852 in Hobart. If any subscribers have any interest in this ship or this convict I would be please to hear from them Peter Hinds

Hi All, I am not at all sure if there is such a thing as a Tasmanian Inquest index but if there is, could somebody please look up an entry for a convict, DUCROW/DICKROW, DUCROE, John who drowned in a government sloop, The Harmony which was wrecked off Green Island on 7 October, 1836. Many thanks. Anne Hanson annehanson@hotkey.net.au

Hello everyone (again) Meryl has very kindly added more of your book suggestions to our list of convict reference books at http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/con_books.html Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Hello All I came across the following snippet recently in the "Colonial Times" of 7 January 1831 (p2 c4) and thought you may find it interesting. 'A Correspondent says, "It may not be generally known, that when a master has been deprived of the services of his assigned servant, for improper conduct, by the proper Authorities, he is entitled to receive back the clothing of such servant, with which he is readily furnished, upon application to the Superintendent of the Prisoners' Barracks." Anyone else got interesting snippets to share? Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Dear Convicts List, I'm looking for updated e-mail addresses for the following people who have submitted convicts to the web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Listings will be removed if I am unable to find the submitters new addresses. Robyn Jeffery: convict James ARGENT per Hibernia John F Hill: convict George BAKER per Eden (1) Tania Dennis: convict Elizabeth BANKS per Frances Charlotte (1) Joyce Craig: convict Samuel BARBY per Sir Godfrey Webster Phil Brindley: convict Stephen BATHURST per Lady Nugent John F Hill: convict Robert BETTS per Lady East Julie Biffin: convict John BIFFIN per Elizabeth Henrietta (Apr 1818) Anne Watson: convict James BLACKBURN per Isabella (1) Tania Dennis: convict Charles BLIGHT per Augusta Jessie (1) Robyn Jeffery: convict Ralph BONNER per Cadet (1) Barry Dean: convict Jesse BOWTELL per Medway (1) Jan Oldaker: convict Mary Ann BUTLER per St Vincent (1) Joy Clingan: convict James CALLEN per William Glen Anderson Mark Byrne: convict William CARELESS per HMS Anson Graeme Brown: convict John CARMAN / KERMOND per Mary (2) Jean Clowes: convict John CHATWIN per Duchess of Northumberland (1) Joyce Craig: convict Maria CHRISTIAN per Sir Charles Forbes (2) Graeme Brown: convict John COCKFIELD per Thames Leanne Johnstone: convict Cornelius COLGAN per Blenheim (2) Bob Collier: convict William COLLIER per Arab (2) Sue Gatherum-Goss: convict John COOPER per Sir Godfrey Webster Robyn Jeffery: convict Charles CRODEN / CROWDEN per Cressy Jacki Smith: convict John DALE per Eden (1) Jacki Smith: convict Thomas DALE per Eden (1) Barry Dean: convict Sarah DAVIS per Mellish Joyce Craig: convict Jacob DENNIS per Hibernia Tania Dennis: convict Charles DEWHURST per Roslyn Castle Joyce Craig: convict Mary DODD per Sir Charles Forbes (2) Skye Scott: convict Margaret DOYLE per John William Dare Robyn Jeffery: convict William EADE per Bangalore Robyn Jeffery: convict William FLINT per George III Dianne Wakefield: convict Lucius FORSYTH per Prince Regent (1) Mark Byrne: convict Sophia FRAZIER per Emma Eugenia (2) If you can help please ask the people concerned to e-mail me. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: meryl@tasfamily.net.au AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Hi Listers I apologise for the cross-postings but this is just the information I wanted and perhaps some others do as well. I have recently bought a book called "Irish Records; sources for family and local history, by James G Ryan, Ph.D." It lists explanations of what can be expected from various types of records, then lists all Irish Cos by name. Under each Co. name it then lists all sorts of sources - Census and Substitutes, by year, Church records by parish, Commercial and Social directories, Family Histories, Gravestone Inscriptions, newspapers, Wills and Administrations, Miscellaneous Sources and, in some cases, Research Sources and Services and web site names, as well as maps of each county. Please note it does not include individual names etc but it does tell you either where to find them, or the appropriate holdings nos. If anyone would like a lookup from this book, please let me know Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44

Dear list, I have uploaded a new page to the AUS-Tasmania Genealogy web site Tasmanian Convict Record Abbreviations by Maree Ring http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/conabbrev.html My sincerest thanks to Maree for providing us all with an updated version of her extremely useful previously published booklet. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: meryl@tasfamily.net.au AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Hi Jenny and others Thanks for this snippet, Jenny. For those not aware, Mrs Bowden and her husband were in charge of the 'Anson' hulk which acted as a probation station for female convicts arriving in VDL between 1844 and 1850. Mrs Bowden's husband died not long after they took on their positions, but Mrs Bowden continued in the role. Some people, like Louisa Meredith, highly praised Mrs Bowden's work, others (mainly men in Government) were more critical. I noticed yesterday that her husband's headstone survived removal from Queenborough Cemetery to Cornelian Bay Cemetery. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Fawcett [mailto:jfawcett@genseek.net] Sent: Friday, 10 June 2005 6:38 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Mrs Bowden & The Female Reformatory, Tas >From the Portland Mercury and Port Fairy Register, Wednesday, SEptember 6, 1843. News From England. "The Sentinel of the 22nd april states that Mrs. Bowden, the matron of the Hanwick Lunatic Asylum, had tendered her resignation,she having received from government an appointment as superintendent of a reformatory for female convicts, about to be established in Van Diemens Land." cheers Jenny Fawcett ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

From the Portland Mercury and Port Fairy Register, Wednesday, SEptember 6, 1843. News From England. "The Sentinel of the 22nd april states that Mrs. Bowden, the matron of the Hanwick Lunatic Asylum, had tendered her resignation,she having received from government an appointment as superintendent of a reformatory for female convicts, about to be established in Van Diemens Land." cheers Jenny Fawcett

Hello Everyone I have just published a love letter from a male to a female convict on the Female Factory Research Group website - see http://www.femalefactory.com.au/FFRG/convicts.htm#Letter. Our group would be interested in hearing of any other such letters list members may know of. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley on behalf of the Female Factory Research Group ffrg@femalefactory.com.au www.femalefactory.com.au/FFRG

My thanks to all those whom answered my query, especially Trudy Crowley with the wealth of information. Yours In Thanks Neville Kitchener

Thank you Dianne for your informative response. My gratitude also to those who contacted me direct with helpful information. I've had a wonderful day. Cheers Natalie

Some time ago I learned some very helpful information from that hard cover book (not over the net) at the Newcastle City Library --------- best wishes Max R. Birch ----- Original Message ----- From: "NEVILLE KITCHENER" <rosskitchener@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] "Notorious Strumpets and Dangerous Girls" - Birkitt/ Burkett > Hi There List > > Has any one access to "Notorious Strumpets and Dangerous Girls", am > interested in an Elizabeth Birkitt/Burkett, convict per Morley, whom is > mentioned in the book > > Regards > Neville Kitchener > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'L mode' send an empty email with ONLY the word > UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Natalie, Unfortunately (in my experience,) most of the marriage certificates from this period give scant information. They don't usually list the names of the parents and sometimes not even the ages of the couple. When their actual age is not provided the entry usually states either 'full age' or 'minor'. If you want to find the name of the vessel the convict arrived on you can check the 'Convict Permission to Marry' index on the Archives Office of Tas website. (I have checked this out and Patrick travelled on the 'Samuel Boddington'). You can also obtain the convict's records, which will provide the name of the vessel, the date of the trial and where the trial was held. It will also usually provide the name of the 'native place' and sometimes even gives the names of family and where they were residing at the time. There will also be (usually) various other information such as a description of the person and to whom they were assigned. I have found that the amount of detail provided is variable with my convict ancestors and of course you can't rely on it being 100% accurate, but it's better than nothing! Marriage certificates applied for through the Regristrar of BDMs are around $32, but if you have access to microfiche copies of the early Tas BDMs then you can usually obtain a print out of the certificate for as little as 20 cents, depending on the organisation. The copies are not as attractive as the ones from BDMs, but for the price........ Other listers may have some further ideas on how you can obtain the info you want. cheers Diane in Sydney -----Original Message----- From: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of natalie moore Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:30 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Convict marriage Certificate Hi LIst Could someone please give me an answer re the following: What information am I likely to find on the marriage certificate for: Patrick HOGAN (convict) married Anne LARKIN (free girl formerley BRENNAN) married St Johns, Hobart, Tas., on 8 Apr. 1854. 1854/507. Would it list the ship and date of his arrival? His /her parents? I've seen pre 1900 Tasmanian Certificates advertised for a 'moderate ' fee- What is a moderate fee? Thanking you Natalie ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- Scanned by the DVA Internet Sheriff (questions to the DVA Inappropriate Emails mailbox). Classification: UNCLASSIFIED IMPORTANT 1. Before opening any attachments, please check for viruses. 2. This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential information for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies of this email. 3. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and are not a statement of Australian Government Policy unless otherwise stated. 4. Electronic addresses published in this email are not conspicuous publications and DVA does not consent to the receipt of commercial electronic messages. 5. Please go to http://www.dva.gov.au/feedback.htm#sub to unsubscribe emails of this type from DVA. 6. Finally, please do not remove this notice.

Hello Neville The following information on Elizabeth BIRKITT per "Morley" in 'Strumpets': ELIZABETH BIRKETT Morley Police Number 31 Convicted at Nottingham (Town) Quarter Session. Conviction date and sentence 14 January 1819. 7 years. Transported for Larceny. Ships Surgeon's Comments Ordinary. DESCRIPTION Trade General service. Literacy Cannot write. Age 19 (1820). COLONIAL EXPERIENCES 1820 MUSTER: Assigned to Larson, Hobart Town. 1822, JANUARY 7: Married to Thomas Kidner, free, at Hobart Town. 1823 MUSTER: Wife of Thomas Kidner, Pittwater. 1831, MARCH 1: Wife of Kidner. Drunkenness and deserting her family on the 24th January. Forwarded to Hobart Town to ascertain if she is free. 1831, MARCH 12: Free Certificate issued. Sources 1,2,5-8,22,25,26. The book is now available on CD - see http://www.notoriousstrumpets.com/. Cheers Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: NEVILLE KITCHENER [mailto:rosskitchener@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2005 11:39 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] "Notorious Strumpets and Dangerous Girls" - Birkitt/ Burkett Hi There List Has any one access to "Notorious Strumpets and Dangerous Girls", am interested in an Elizabeth Birkitt/Burkett, convict per Morley, whom is mentioned in the book Regards Neville Kitchener ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'L mode' send an empty email with ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi LIst Could someone please give me an answer re the following: What information am I likely to find on the marriage certificate for: Patrick HOGAN (convict) married Anne LARKIN (free girl formerley BRENNAN) married St Johns, Hobart, Tas., on 8 Apr. 1854. 1854/507. Would it list the ship and date of his arrival? His /her parents? I've seen pre 1900 Tasmanian Certificates advertised for a 'moderate ' fee- What is a moderate fee? Thanking you Natalie

Hi There List Has any one access to "Notorious Strumpets and Dangerous Girls", am interested in an Elizabeth Birkitt/Burkett, convict per Morley, whom is mentioned in the book Regards Neville Kitchener