Hi Tony, Although I can't help you with details of any Parkhurst Boys I do make a comparison with the boats. At present I am looking at the Enrolled/Military/Chelsea Pensioners that came here 1850 - 1852 and they were the guards on "Aboukir" (1852), "Blenheim" (1850), "Fairlie" (1852), "Lady Kennaway" (1851), "Nile" (1850), "Rodney" (1850) and "Maria Somes" (1850). There were several other voyages also. I'm not if this is interest to you... Cheers, Maree At 09:14 PM 23/07/2005, you wrote: > >Hello, > >I wonder if anyone can help me. > >I am a mature postgraduate researching for a Ph D at Southampton University >here in the UK. My major initial project is to create a database of >biographies for as many as I can of the 4,088 juvenile convicts who >passed through >Parkhurst Prison over the period 1838-1864. This number includes just over >500 who were transported to VDL from 1843 to 1853, although the "final" >prison >from which they were eventually transported could have been Pentonville or >Millbank, having been transferred there from Parkhurst beforehand. The >most >well-known convict ships were: "Aboukir" (1852), "Adelaide" (1849), >"Blenheim" (1850), "Equestrian" (1852), "Fairlie" (1852), "Lady Kennaway" >(1851), >"Mandarin" (1843), "Nile" (1850), "Oriental Queen" (1853), "Rodney" (1850), >"Maria Somes" (1850) and "Stratheden" (1845). > >I have a small amount of life history for all 500 prior to transportation, >and in some cases full prison conduct records extracted from the "Parkhurst >Governor's Log 1844", a primary source not generally available. If any >descendants of these "Parkhurst Boys" or, alternatively, those of you >who may have a >similar interest, would like to exchange information please contact me on >either _BrianAnthonyC@aol.com_ (mailto:BrianAnthonyC@aol.com) or >_BAC3@soton.ac.uk_ (mailto:BAC3@soton.ac.uk) . Details of marriages, >children, >occupations, instances of re-offending etc., no matter how small, would >be invaluable. > >I look forward to your responses. > >Regards > >Tony Cocks > > > > > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at >http://www.portarthur.org.au/ > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello, I wonder if anyone can help me. I am a mature postgraduate researching for a Ph D at Southampton University here in the UK. My major initial project is to create a database of biographies for as many as I can of the 4,088 juvenile convicts who passed through Parkhurst Prison over the period 1838-1864. This number includes just over 500 who were transported to VDL from 1843 to 1853, although the "final" prison from which they were eventually transported could have been Pentonville or Millbank, having been transferred there from Parkhurst beforehand. The most well-known convict ships were: "Aboukir" (1852), "Adelaide" (1849), "Blenheim" (1850), "Equestrian" (1852), "Fairlie" (1852), "Lady Kennaway" (1851), "Mandarin" (1843), "Nile" (1850), "Oriental Queen" (1853), "Rodney" (1850), "Maria Somes" (1850) and "Stratheden" (1845). I have a small amount of life history for all 500 prior to transportation, and in some cases full prison conduct records extracted from the "Parkhurst Governor's Log 1844", a primary source not generally available. If any descendants of these "Parkhurst Boys" or, alternatively, those of you who may have a similar interest, would like to exchange information please contact me on either _BrianAnthonyC@aol.com_ (mailto:BrianAnthonyC@aol.com) or _BAC3@soton.ac.uk_ (mailto:BAC3@soton.ac.uk) . Details of marriages, children, occupations, instances of re-offending etc., no matter how small, would be invaluable. I look forward to your responses. Regards Tony Cocks

Hello John I have checked the index 'Convict Applications to Bring out Family', but no Isaac or Michael LONG is listed. I have also checked the indexes 'Children in the Queen's Orphanage' and 'Children in the Infants School, QO', but again, no Michael or Isaac LONG is mentioned. None of the other records you mention are as yet online (as far as I am aware). There are microfiche for Assisted Immigration to VDL available (perhaps at your local library or family history centre). There is a register of convict deaths (under sentence) - CON 63. This is being indexed and will be available online soon(ish). When you say you have Isaac's convict records, do you have CSO 1/642/14425 and CON 27/6 - his appropriation lists? There are no other assignment/appropriation lists for the 'Circassian'. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: John Chirgwin [mailto:jaygeecee53@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 9:12 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Isaac Long Dear List, I am trying to trace a possible relationship to convict Isaac long who was transported aboard the Circassian in 1832/3. I have an ancestor Michael Long whose father was Isaac; there is a family "story" about Isaac the convict being at Port Arthur but some of the details simply can't be correct. I am attempting to sort it out. I have not been able to locate an emigration record pertaining to Michael or Isaac (other than the convict record) but from his death record it seems he was born around 1817 in Bath. Michael died in 1866 in Vic, having spent 20 yrs there preceded by 14 yrs in Tas. Therefore he was in Tas from early 1830s to late 1840s. I have Isaac's CON records from Tas Archives and this shows a 38 yr old from Bradford given life on 3 March 1832 at Wiltshire assizes. He was convict number 47370. His CON record shows that he was appropriated to "Marine Dept". This is the only Tas connection I have so I am not aware of the resources available. If anyone can give me some leads on where to look for say passage of convict's families, immigration records generally, convict records, especially death & assignment I would be eternally grateful. i live in Qld so am looking for online records; there is not much at our State Library and the NLA site has not provided the solution yet. Thank you John Chirgwin ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== If you require assistance using this list, try the www.rootsweb.com 'HELP' page. It may have the answer to your question. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Dear List, I am trying to trace a possible relationship to convict Isaac long who was transported aboard the Circassian in 1832/3. I have an ancestor Michael Long whose father was Isaac; there is a family "story" about Isaac the convict being at Port Arthur but some of the details simply can't be correct. I am attempting to sort it out. I have not been able to locate an emigration record pertaining to Michael or Isaac (other than the convict record) but from his death record it seems he was born around 1817 in Bath. Michael died in 1866 in Vic, having spent 20 yrs there preceded by 14 yrs in Tas. Therefore he was in Tas from early 1830s to late 1840s. I have Isaac's CON records from Tas Archives and this shows a 38 yr old from Bradford given life on 3 March 1832 at Wiltshire assizes. He was convict number 47370. His CON record shows that he was appropriated to "Marine Dept". This is the only Tas connection I have so I am not aware of the resources available. If anyone can give me some leads on where to look for say passage of convict's families, immigration records generally, convict records, especially death & assignment I would be eternally grateful. i live in Qld so am looking for online records; there is not much at our State Library and the NLA site has not provided the solution yet. Thank you John Chirgwin

Hello All If your convict(s) arrived during the probation period, you may find CON 30 (held at the AOT) a useful resource. It contains registers of the employment of probation passholders from May 1848 to cOctober 1857. The AOT guide to convict records states: "Passholders having passed through the early stages of probation, could be hired by settlers at a stated wage; this series is a register of contracts made by the Convict Department with particular individuals and gives name of employer, date of contract, name and ship of passholder, rate of wages, period of employment." The registers are indexed in the General Index at the AOT, BUT ONLY for the masters! To find a convict(s), you need to scan the whole 2 volumes of microfilm (I know, a labourious process, not to mention hard on the eyes!). However, the records are useful - I have found many convicts listed in here where the 'service' was not noted on their conduct record. What are other peoples experience(s) with this resource? Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Trudy and Lee-ann Thanks for the info on the St Vincent and the Nile, Lee-ann. I think it is an assumed name. Am waiting for Archives to send info on Records. It was strange that her last child was born in Healesville, Victoria but she was shown as Mary Jones on that one. Regards John Hosie Melbourne

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Hi Peter, I am quite happen here thanks. Denise

Thank you for your reply Peter. I've forwarded it on to Paddy. The idea of the person being lumped in with "assisted emmigrants" makes sense and probably explains why he can't be found in some sort of special category, such as Crown Witnesses. Thanks again, Marg Watson. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Thomas <pmthomas@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] RE: Crown witnesses

G'day, with respect, I think "deported" is the wrong concept. Witnesses removed, or their own protection, would have consented, and may even have been given some cash incentive, or a promise of employment, etc. Their status would not necessarily have been different to other emigrants. Whether or not their status as "assisted emnigrants" was recorded will only be revealed by further research. Quite a few political radicals were transported from England & Scotland to VDL & PJ in the period 1817~1820. The government spies who informed on them were assisted to migrate to the Cape Colony, in what we now call South Africa. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Watson [mailto:margwatson@aapt.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 7:23 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Crown witnesses Good evening Listers, The following was posted on the Rootsweb Clare (Ireland) list that I subscribe to. I have the permission of the sender to post it to the Tassie list in the hope of finding an answer for him. I'll forward any replies to the original questioner. Regards, Marg Watson. I'd like to ask whether anyone on the List knows anything about the extradition of Crown witnesses from Ireland in the 19th century. I raised this subject last year and a number of listers helped with URLs but none of the cited websites had anything on Crown witnesses. I've tried searching in convict databases but can't find any references to extradited informers or Crown witnesses who were not convicts. A County Clare man who is versed in local history and whose information on other matters has been accurate told me about this witness protection procedure when I was looking for record(s) of a family called Ryan which was deported to Van Diemen's Land from Moyrhee in the townland of Shanballysallagh in Co.Clare in the 19th century for its own safety. The story was that the father was suspected of having informed on someone and, for a time, the constabulary had a man living in a little hut next to the Ryan house to protect the family. After a while the authorities decided it would be simpler to remove them from the community. The father was deported with a son and a daughter. It seems that this practice was fairly common. Paddy.

My nephew does not have a computer so does not use the net, yours truly has done his research --- Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hosie" <john_hosie@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [TAS-CON] Hosie > Hi Max > Sorry no connection as yet. > My family are all from Victoria since 1852 and came from Campsie, > Stirlingshire and before there from near Paisley in Renfrewshire. Maybe > your nephew can contact me and you never know there might be a connection > somewhere. I made contact a few years ago with a cousin in Wales. > John Hosie > Melbourne > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at > http://www.portarthur.org.au/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Max Sorry no connection as yet. My family are all from Victoria since 1852 and came from Campsie, Stirlingshire and before there from near Paisley in Renfrewshire. Maybe your nephew can contact me and you never know there might be a connection somewhere. I made contact a few years ago with a cousin in Wales. John Hosie Melbourne

To John Hosie this has nothing to do with your Thomas Callow research however HOSIE, not being a common name, I thought some of my Nephew's ancestors may be related to you, for example Alfred Charles Hosie born 1874 Hill End N.S.W. to parents Stanley Hosie and Emily Mudie Larnach, Max R. Birch ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hosie" <john_hosie@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:04 AM Subject: [TAS-CON] Mary Jones Thomas Callow > Hi List > Have just joined this list to see if I can track the above. Thomas Callow > married Mary Jones in Deloraine on 23 Sept 1855 - 22 days after the birth > of their second child. Archives have them as on the index of Convict > applications to marry on 19 Aug 1853. > Thomas was on the Nile and Mary on St Vincent. Does anybody know anything > about those ships? > Thomas died in Emu Bay in 1862 and Mary married James Wallace. What has > confused the issue was that on all the children's death certificates she > shows up as Marion Hoy. I think she was born in Manchester in about 1835 > but how does one track her back on St Vincent? > Regards > John Hosie > Melbourne > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Good evening Listers, The following was posted on the Rootsweb Clare (Ireland) list that I subscribe to. I have the permission of the sender to post it to the Tassie list in the hope of finding an answer for him. I'll forward any replies to the original questioner. Regards, Marg Watson. I'd like to ask whether anyone on the List knows anything about the extradition of Crown witnesses from Ireland in the 19th century. I raised this subject last year and a number of listers helped with URLs but none of the cited websites had anything on Crown witnesses. I've tried searching in convict databases but can't find any references to extradited informers or Crown witnesses who were not convicts. A County Clare man who is versed in local history and whose information on other matters has been accurate told me about this witness protection procedure when I was looking for record(s) of a family called Ryan which was deported to Van Diemen's Land from Moyrhee in the townland of Shanballysallagh in Co.Clare in the 19th century for its own safety. The story was that the father was suspected of having informed on someone and, for a time, the constabulary had a man living in a little hut next to the Ryan house to protect the family. After a while the authorities decided it would be simpler to remove them from the community. The father was deported with a son and a daughter. It seems that this practice was fairly common. Paddy.

Hello John Welcome aboard. I can't help you with information on the "Nile" or the "St Vincent", but hopefully someone else on the list can. Re Mary Jones being noted as Marion Hoy on the children's death certificates - Is Mary Jones an assumed or married name? Does it give any alias on her conduct record or indent? I have found that female convicts are sometimes transported under a married or assumed name and revert back to their maiden name (or even adopt an alias) once they are no longer in the convict system. Regarding tracking her back on the "St Vincent", you can try to obtain her trial records or newspaper accounts of her trial in England (I assume). Some trial records are available through the AJCP. In a year or two there will be a database available on CD which gives the references to trial, hulk and gaol records for all convicts sentenced in the UK - the person compiling it has just been visiting Tasmania to gather some data for it. However, that is of no use to you at present, I realise. Mary's indent should also list relatives - mother, father, brothers, sisters. Along with the native place given on her conduct record, this can help you trace her back to England using the IGI. I hope this helps. You may also wish to consider submitting Mary to the Female Family Founders Database - see http://www.femalefactory.com.au/FFRG/fffdb.htm. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hosie [mailto:john_hosie@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 1:05 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Mary Jones Thomas Callow Hi List Have just joined this list to see if I can track the above. Thomas Callow married Mary Jones in Deloraine on 23 Sept 1855 - 22 days after the birth of their second child. Archives have them as on the index of Convict applications to marry on 19 Aug 1853. Thomas was on the Nile and Mary on St Vincent. Does anybody know anything about those ships? Thomas died in Emu Bay in 1862 and Mary married James Wallace. What has confused the issue was that on all the children's death certificates she shows up as Marion Hoy. I think she was born in Manchester in about 1835 but how does one track her back on St Vincent? Regards John Hosie Melbourne ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hello Denise Is there anything in particular you are interested in about VDL convicts? Several Port Jackson convicts later moved to VDL to live, especially those who were involved in the first settlement of Norfolk Island (many 1st, 2nd and 3rd fleeters). The Female Factory Research Group has a database project - the Female Family Founders Database - which aims to list information on all female convicts who lived in Tasmania - with connections to descendants (see www.femalefactory.com.au/db.htm). The Port Arthur Historic Site has a similar project running for male convicts who spent time at Port Arthur. There are several books published which may assist - see the list of useful convict books we have been compiling (as a list) - http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/con_books.html. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:minette@kooee.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 6:50 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] an interest. Hiya, I am new here and am just interested in the convicts that where sent to Tasmania. All of mine where sent to Port Jackson. Regards, Denise . New South Wales. ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'D mode' send an empty email with ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi John, The vessel St Vincent made 3 three trips as a convict transport. Mary Jones. Second voyage to VDL arrived 4 April 1850, built 1829 in London, weighing 630 ton. Her master was John Young and the surgeon was Samuel Donelly. The ship sailed from Downs (London) 19 Dec 1849 the voyage lasted 106 days. 207 female convicts were boarded and two died. The Nile 11 arrived in VDL on the 3 Oct 1850. Constructed in Sunderland in 1842. The master for the voyage was George N. Livesay and the surgeon was John Kidd. The vessel sailed from Portland on the 5 July 1850 the journey took 90 days. 300 male convicts embarked and one died during the voyage. Regards Lee-ann The Gardens Family History Bailey and Treloggen Families of St Helens, Tasmania http://www.thegardensfamily.com See my surname interest at: http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9139.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hosie To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] Mary Jones Thomas Callow Hi List Have just joined this list to see if I can track the above. Thomas Callow married Mary Jones in Deloraine on 23 Sept 1855 - 22 days after the birth of their second child. Archives have them as on the index of Convict applications to marry on 19 Aug 1853. Thomas was on the Nile and Mary on St Vincent. Does anybody know anything about those ships? Thomas died in Emu Bay in 1862 and Mary married James Wallace. What has confused the issue was that on all the children's death certificates she shows up as Marion Hoy. I think she was born in Manchester in about 1835 but how does one track her back on St Vincent? Regards John Hosie Melbourne ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi List Have just joined this list to see if I can track the above. Thomas Callow married Mary Jones in Deloraine on 23 Sept 1855 - 22 days after the birth of their second child. Archives have them as on the index of Convict applications to marry on 19 Aug 1853. Thomas was on the Nile and Mary on St Vincent. Does anybody know anything about those ships? Thomas died in Emu Bay in 1862 and Mary married James Wallace. What has confused the issue was that on all the children's death certificates she shows up as Marion Hoy. I think she was born in Manchester in about 1835 but how does one track her back on St Vincent? Regards John Hosie Melbourne

Hi Gaylene, Not as yet but the way my family tree is going with the convicts I am bound to have one that went to Tasmania.... I love to read about the Convicts and all the history about then. They endured so much and I am quite proud to have 5 already on one side of my family tree. All sent out here for trivial things like most of them were..and then treated terribly. I have come across people that are linked to me but really do not want a convict in their squeaky clean tree....can't face the truth I guess, or dont want to. Thanks for asking Gaylene *s * Denise.

Hiya, I am new here and am just interested in the convicts that where sent to Tasmania. All of mine where sent to Port Jackson. Regards, Denise . New South Wales.