Hello All I believe that it was mainly the Irish convicts from the western counties of Ireland that were Gaelic-speaking - many of the 'Australasia' convicts were from these counties - as they were the most severely affected by the famine. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Judy and Peter [mailto:petjud52@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2005 3:18 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Drift of Derwent Ducks also The point Chris makes about many of these convicts being non English speaking has probably been overlooked by most of us. My guess is this would be determined on the original locality of the individual and an opportunity for further research by a budding historian. cheers Peter Page

Hi Chris Fanny, baptised Stroud, Gloucestershire 1828, maried John Chandler 1853, and went out to Adelaide, February, 1854 thence after 1 year to NSW. I was lucky Fanny's Death Certificate was incredibly fulsome. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Harris" <cnharris@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] SMART > Robert, > What is the name of the daughter? > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2005 10:33 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART > > Hi Listers > > I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. > My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I > tracked > him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to > Australia 1783 - 1842. > I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. > > Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William > Slade, > Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, > Aaron > Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, > Charles > Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith > - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all > living > in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, > transport > and source. > I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is > interested. > > Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register > which > does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the > National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. > Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only > depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. > - I was so near!!!!! > > Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- > Henry > Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next > please? > or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in > Australia. > > I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death > Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered > wrong > certificate!! > > PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so > could > do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses > > Thanks > Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > If you require assistance using this list, try the www.rootsweb.com 'HELP' > page. It may have the answer to your question. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Listers I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I tracked him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to Australia 1783 - 1842. I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William Slade, Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, Aaron Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, Charles Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all living in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, transport and source. I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is interested. Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register which does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. - I was so near!!!!! Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- Henry Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next please? or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in Australia. I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered wrong certificate!! PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so could do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses Thanks Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk)

The point Chris makes about many of these convicts being non English speaking has probably been overlooked by most of us. My guess is this would be determined on the original locality of the individual and an opportunity for further research by a budding historian. cheers Peter Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "thebasclains" <thebasclains@aapt.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] Drift of Derwent Ducks also >I thought it neccessary to write and post this message also. > Trudy , you have done a wonderful job, I agree this is the quintessential > reference for links not only to "Australasia" convicts, I am biased > because it also mentions Philip LEVY of Liverpool Street who had a couple > of those convicts contracted to work for him. He was my great-grandfather > (x3). > > In light of this book, I am proud of my heritage, Dr Trudy Cowley keep up > your fantastic work, you are a saint who has worked with adversity in > producing this book and for that you should be commended, I am looking > forward to my mum buying the book for my christmas present this year! > > Accolades and ovations well deserved!! > > Cheers > > Polly Basclain > > Congratulations to Dr Trudy Cowley > on what is and will be the quintessential reference to the arrival of 200 > female convicts per "Australasia" in 1849 > Ambitious in scope and executed with commanding authority that can only > come from reference to the staggering number of resources used > The bibliography itself is a major resource and I thoroughly recommend > this book to anyone with connections to that ship > One point that Trudy has brought up that absolutely floored me when I read > it, was the fact that a lot of the convicts from Ireland possibly didn't > even speak English, a point that for some reason had escaped me, due to a > lack of understanding of the plight of these people, which has given me a > whole new perspective in regard to my own Irish connections > cheers Chris in Tremont > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I thought it neccessary to write and post this message also. Trudy , you have done a wonderful job, I agree this is the quintessential reference for links not only to "Australasia" convicts, I am biased because it also mentions Philip LEVY of Liverpool Street who had a couple of those convicts contracted to work for him. He was my great-grandfather (x3). In light of this book, I am proud of my heritage, Dr Trudy Cowley keep up your fantastic work, you are a saint who has worked with adversity in producing this book and for that you should be commended, I am looking forward to my mum buying the book for my christmas present this year! Accolades and ovations well deserved!! Cheers Polly Basclain Congratulations to Dr Trudy Cowley on what is and will be the quintessential reference to the arrival of 200 female convicts per "Australasia" in 1849 Ambitious in scope and executed with commanding authority that can only come from reference to the staggering number of resources used The bibliography itself is a major resource and I thoroughly recommend this book to anyone with connections to that ship One point that Trudy has brought up that absolutely floored me when I read it, was the fact that a lot of the convicts from Ireland possibly didn't even speak English, a point that for some reason had escaped me, due to a lack of understanding of the plight of these people, which has given me a whole new perspective in regard to my own Irish connections cheers Chris in Tremont

Looking for contact with any one who has these names in their family trees, Im helping a man in UK,thanks carole Happy Hunting, Carole NSW

Hello Jeff Ticket-of-Leave, Conditional Pardon and Free Certificate information was published in the Hobart Town Gazette. This paper was published from 1816, but I am not sure when they started publishing the ToL information. I have copies of the first few editions (from 1 June 1816 to 27 Dec 1817) and the information is not published in them. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Arnold [mailto:jeffarnold@optushome.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:22 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] ToL in Newspapers Were Govenment Notices published in the newspapers around 1819 listing the names of convicts that had just received a ticket of leave or a conditional pardon. I know that this practice happened in NSW, was it also common in VDL? Jeff ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Dear Alan, Elaine and lists I have the book with all of the names on the monument in St Davids it was published in 1988. The names were taken from the passengers list from my book "Norfolk Island Embarkations to VDL 1807-1813" While speaking of monuments there is also one on the wharf in Hobart with the names of all of those who arrived on the Ocean and the Lady Nelson with Lt. Gov. Collins in 1804. (both are in the Tasmaniana Library in Hobart) In 1988 plates were places on all known headstones of the First Fleeters who died in VDL. I also have this list . In the new year I hope to add these names to my website in preparation for 2007-8 when there will be celebrations in Hobart for the arrival of those who came to Hobart from Norfolk Island in 1807-8. Many marriages were performed between these two groups after the arrival of the 500 persons from Norfolk Island in 1807-8, making these two groups very important to the early history of Tasmania. I have photos of both of these monuments if anyone is interested. Regards Irene Email: schafferi@optusnet.com.au Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi (including Norfolk Island and Van Diemens Land list) Subject: Re: Graveyard - St David's Hobart > Hi Alison, I noticed your reply to Paul regarding the wall of headstones in > Hobart. We were there in February this year and the MI's are still in good > condition. I also have Jacob Bellette and the Garth lass in my family > history. I would like to exchange information with you if you would like.Eva > Maria Bellette married a Samuel John Parker Gill, or Gill Parker. My > grandfather was Samuel's half brother. Regards Elaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alison" <wadingbird@bigpond.com> > To: <GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: Graveyard - St David's Hobart > > > > Paul, > > > > I don't know offhand of any published list of MIs at St. David's (may be > > one in Tas archives though), but most of the old MIs and plaques have been > > set into walls in the former graveyard (now mainly a park). > > > > Most of them are still in good legible condition (or were when we were > > last there in early 2004). > > > > Who are you after? My husband has Edward & Susannah Garth (who don't have > > any MI, only the FF plaque) and Jacob Bellet, who has a nice > > plaque(presumably done at the time he died) but which is incorrect. > > Also in the park is an octagonal (or maybe hexagonal, I can't remember) > > monument. This lists the names of the people who came from NI, they are > > listed by the ship they arrived in VDL from NI. > > > > Alison :-) > > Sydney Oz' > > reply to: wadingbird@bigpond.com > > ---------------------- > > > > Paul Blair wrote: > > > >> > >> Some of my relatives are buried in this place. > >> > >> My neighbour will be in Hobart over Christmas, and (in return for walking > >> his dog) will take a photo or two for me. But is there anything to > >> photograph? > >> > >> Does anyone know of an MI or tombstone reference for this graveyard? If > >> so, I'd really appreciate hearing about it. > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> Paul Blair > >> Canberra

Were Govenment Notices published in the newspapers around 1819 listing the names of convicts that had just received a ticket of leave or a conditional pardon. I know that this practice happened in NSW, was it also common in VDL? Jeff

Dear List, Thank you for your help. Thank you Gaylene for the entries for Joseph and Rose. I wondered why Joseph Bonney & Rose Sheerod/Sheridan were allowed to marry seeing as Joseph was already married and had applied to have his wife and family brought out! I see now that they probably didn't have to get permission to marry and maybe others did as Joseph did so they introduced the law to stop it happening. Cheers, Cherilyn in very warm Melbourne

Thanks Jenny, don't feel so bad knowing you have a similar confusion. This thread is running on the Tas list but probably should be on the Tas Convict list. However I think a lot are on both lists. If the info on the Launceston records were done in 1834 I guess they were obtained from the so called Black Books. Strangely the earlier record for John Smith has the 100 lashes and 3 years to Newcastle on it and it's not on the later record! Perhaps there were clerical errors. To add to the discussion Ann Grant's records number 3 The third being one in 1840 under her married name of Griffiths Shirley in East Gippsland -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 30-11-2005

Garry.....I have two conduct records for my Henry Harris who was transported to Tas via New South Wales. Definitely same man......different info on each. Just letting you know that it can be possible. cheers Jenny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry Wilson" <garrywilson@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-Tasmania-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:42 AM Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: John Smith - 15 Minutes of Fame > Shirley > > I'm intrigued as to the two records you mention for your John Smith. > > According to the Convict CDRom for John Smith per Fame/Pilot there are references to only two documents, namely: > > CON13/1 p96 which is the shipping indent and which has nothing on it relating to later misdemeanours, being what it is; > > and > > CON31/38 p18 which is indeed his convict record. > > So how come you have what appear to be two different conduct records? I checked the Convict CDRom and can't find any strays listed that might account for the additional record you say you have. > > I suggest the second "record" may in fact be for a different person, although you say there are entries on each for what appears to be same conviction in 1829. Strange! There were three John Smiths transferred on the Pilot (although the other two were BOTH from the Almorah. There were also four Smiths on the Fame, but the other three were transferred to VDL on the Admiral Cockburn. > > Plenty of room for confusion here, not to mention the number of John Smiths anyway (34 up to 1825) let alone the number of Smiths generally, but as I said there only appears to be one conduct record that I can see (and indeed there should only be one) for the man called John Smith who arrived PJ per Fame and was transported initially to Hobart per Pilot Sep 1817. This man did however end up in Port Dalrymple as he appears in the 1818 muster there, but I cannot say when he was moved from Hobart to PD, unless that appears on his conduct record, which it normally should, but given that the CON 31 records were only commenced in 1825 anything before that is a construction anyway. > > The possibility of confusion of course may explain the reference to floggings in Hobart (they may be recorded against the wrong person, confusion in Smiths reigning supreme), but it still doesn't explain the fundamental problem as to why you seem to have two records when really only one should exist and does seem according to the CDRom. > > Since your man stated in 1825 he had not been in trouble, I suggest the record for the man in Hobart with the 1818 floggings is for another person altogether and suggest that you check that record very carefully (eg its a guy from the Almorah). I suggest that the 1829 conviction was then entered erroneously on this document as well as on the one for the right John Smith. > > Is it possible for you to send me scans of the two records you have (off list as they won't come through the list), or photocopies in the mail, as I am really intrigued? > > Regards > > Garry > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug & Shirley Stevenson" <dands@net-tech.com.au> > To: <AUSTasmania-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:57 AM > Subject: convict with 2 records > > > > Does anyone know the date of the Port Dalrymple Muster of convicts in 1818 > > please? > > Convict John SMITH ship to Colony FAME 1817 and ship PILOT to VDL in Sept > > 1817. is listed in the 1818 Muster at Port Dalrymple. > > There are 2 records from theAOT for this man. > > The first entry on one states he was given 100 lashes and a 3year stay in > > Newcastle for his involvement in the stealing of a launch in the Derwent > in > > May of 1818 > > This is not recorded in the second record which was maintained at > > LauncestonHowever both records have the final entry when he was charged > with > > killing a sheep and bailed to appear in the Supreme Court. The trial did > not > > take place as he had disappeared [Feb 1829]. > > In 1825 he applied for land stating he had arrived on FAME master Dale and > > PILOT to VDL and that no manner of charges had been laid against him and > he > > had recommendations from Cimitiere and Cameron and received 30 acres of > land > > next to William Kneal on the Tamar River.This fits the second record but > not > > the first so the day and month of the 1818 muster may help. > > Thanks to the writers of the interesting posts on "confusion" > > Shirley in East Gippsland > > > > > ==== AUS-Tasmania Mailing List ==== > Don't waste valuable archive space discussing technical or other problems on the mailing list. > E-mail the list admin direct at either > AUS-Tasmania-Admin@rootsweb.com or austas@tasfamily.net.au > >

Dear Cherilyn, The AOT Index to convict applications for permission to marry, as stated in the introduction on the website, covers the period 1829-1857. I am not sure that such records were kept before 1829. The system of the keeping of convict records evolved over a period of time. See the AOT Guide to the Public Records of Tasmania: The Convict Department http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/publications/guides.htm Someone out there may know of where the earlier records are, if they do exist. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: meryl@tasfamily.net.au AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cherilyn Bonney" <clbonney@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] re Convict Marriages Dear List, I have a Joseph Bonney marrying a Rose Sheerod or Sheridan in 1816. Both were convicts. I have looked at the 'Convicts Permission to Marry' database and neither of them are on it. Woulldn't they have had to obtain permission to marry? Both arrived in 1814. Cheers, Cherilyn in Melbourne ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear List, I have a Joseph Bonney marrying a Rose Sheerod or Sheridan in 1816. Both were convicts. I have looked at the 'Convicts Permission to Marry' database and neither of them are on it. Woulldn't they have had to obtain permission to marry? Both arrived in 1814. Cheers, Cherilyn in Melbourne

Dear Catherine, I have looked over some information from my mother about the BECK/BACK family. It looks like Joseph may have been born 28th December 1776, so the age for the death could've been him. How could we confirm if it was him or not, without having to order a whole birth certificate?? Regards Nicole NORTHERN NSW

Dear Garry, Thankyou again for that information on Joseph BECK or BACH as he came out to Australia as. It would be interesting to find out if he and Ellen did have children. How could I found that out using online services?? Regards Nicole NORTHERN NSW

Dear List, I'm looking for updated e-mail addresses for the following people who have submitted convicts to the web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Listings will be removed if I am unable to find the submitters new addresses. Erika Nash: convict James NASH per Layton (1) Barbara Kolle: convict Joseph William NICHOLS per Asia (3) Shane Robson: convict Emma LITTLE per Enchantress Mike Oakley: convict Joseph Orland OAKLEY per Lotus Joyce Craig: convict Sarah OWENS per Mermaid Joanne Burgess: convict Rosehanna PEARSON per Margaret Lesley J Newman: convict Mary Margaret PEDDER per Garland Grove (1) Alex Peever: convict Edward Henry PEEVER per Lord Lyndoch (1) David Pegman: convict John PEGMAN per Mangles Sally Currie: convict Moses PHILLIPS per Medway (1) Lesley Pickett: convict Thomas PICKETT per Equestrian (2) Barbara Kolle: convict James PITCHER per Surrey (4) Carole Harkin: convict Francis POUCHARD/PONCHARD per Lord Petre Lesley J Newman: convict Thomas POWELL aka George PREECE per Nile If you can help please ask the people concerned to e-mail me. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: meryl@tasfamily.net.au AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Hi Nicole (and Cathie, Lee-ann) Joseph Back (as Bach - Rev Bobby Knopwood was a hopeless speller) married Ellen Dixon 15 June 1818 in Hobart. She had arrived PJ per Canada Aug 1817 and thence to Hobart per Elizabeth Henrietta that same month (with my forbear as it happens). According to Leslie Uebel's Index Port jackson Anthology), Joseph's indent shows he was 30 when convicted in Sussex in 1815, but his age at marriage in 1818 was given as 40! Ellen's age was given as 26. To date I have not located any children for this couple. Nor a death for Joseph (so Lee-ann's mention of a death in Vic may well have been his, as the dob would be roughly consistent with the large range we already have), however Ellen apparently died 3/4/1835 according to Tardif but I have not yet verified that. Perhaps Buchanan has her listed in his index (if she died in Tas that is). There are no apparent entries on the Tas Pioneer Index corresponding to this date. Let me know, when you get the detials of the death in Victoria if that fits. Regards Garry

Dear Jeff, Thankyou for finding those details on Joseph BACK. I have passed it on to my mother and she is going to contact the Archives office to see what charges apply. Thankyou to all those other listers who did look ups for me and gave research ideas. Many Thanks again, Regards Nicole NORTHERN NSW

Hi Nicole, I see that someone has already posted the details from the CD. Like many early arrivals, there are not many records on this man. My ggg grandfather arrived in 1817, and there was very little available for him. Within weeks of arrival he was working as a constable! I cannot find a marriage or death for Joseph. Does family tradition suggest any particular outcome? Cathie nookmook wrote: >Dear Listers, > >Thankyou so much to those people who have replied to my request. The man we >are looking is Joseph BACK/BECK (we arent sure of what surname he came out >under). > >We have heard he may have come out about 1816, and would have been about >18-30 years old?? > >Does that help?? > >Regards > >Nicole >NORTHERN NSW > > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at >http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > >