Dear all Meryl has just added another page to the AUS-Tasmania Genealogy website, in the Convicts section. It's a short guide that I've prepared, to help new researchers in using the main VDL Convict Department record series. It's meant as an introduction only, and I've kept it as straightforward as I can. Any comments or suggestions for improvements are welcome! The URL for the web page is http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/contrans.html Hope you all have a very Happy Christmas and lots of family history fun in 2006. Cheers Judy Forwarded on behalf of Judy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com ==== AUS-Tasmania Mailing List ==== Looking for a place? Australian Geographic Place Names http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/

No probs! Rosemary. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mather" <mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:54 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] Apologies > In my haste I resent Polly's e-mail! - apologies to Polly and the list . > Rosemary > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

On 22 January 2006, women will be treading the steps to re-enact the arrival of the 100 female convicts transported on the 'Harmony' which arrived in January 1829. You can find out more about the event at http://www.femalefactory.com.au/events.htm#Harmony. We are seeking participants to take on the roles of the 100 convicts - especially if you are descended from a 'Harmony' convict. Of course, anyone is welcome on the day. If you are interested, please ring Eryl, Trent or Allison at the Female Factory on 6223 1559 or email them at info@femalefactory.com.au. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley on behalf of the Female Factory Research Group ffrg@femalefactory.com.au www.femalefactory.com.au/FFRG

Hi listers! Wondered if anyone could look-up exactly which number Liverpool Street Hobart Town Philip LEVY was a shopkeeper at in 1848 onwards until he went to NZ in around 1859. I also wondered whether there is any record other than the Synagogue or births for Philip's children Isaac born 1842, Asher 1844. I know that Lewis born 1839 and Sarah born 1846 went to NZ with the family around 1857, but I have so far not been successful for Isaac or Asher. Cheers Polly Basclain

In my haste I resent Polly's e-mail! - apologies to Polly and the list . Rosemary

Dear Lists, I'm looking for updated e-mail addresses for the following people who have submitted convicts to the web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ Listings will be removed if I am unable to find the submitters new addresses. Irene Mason: convict Johanna REGAN per Blackfriar Julie Biffin: convict Rosanna RILEY per Emma Eugenia (1) Keven Sparks: convict James ROSIER per Phoenix (1) Bob Gollan: convict Alexander ROSS per Sir Robert Peel Bob Gollan: convict William ROSS per Sir Robert Peel Neil McGeachin: convict Charles ROUT per John (2) Rosslyn Joseph: convict Robert SAUNDERS per Countess of Harcourt Jan Oldaker: convict Henry SELWYN per Manlius (1) Elizabeth Hunter: convict George SHADBOLT per Mayda Fee Manley: convict George SHIPLEY per Neptune (1) Elizabeth Hunter: convict William SINGLETON per Manlius (1) Lyndy Smith: convict Edwin SMITH per Lady Raffles Jacki Smith: convict John SMITH per Atlas Elizabeth Macilwain: convict Thomas SMITH per Lord William Bentinck (2) Keven Sparks: convict Samuel SPARKS per Emperor Alexander Leanne Johnstone: convict Edward STAUNTON per Blenheim (2) Rex Stokes: convict Henry William STOKES per Pestongee Bomangee (1) Grace Burrows: convict Mary SWAN per Angelina Gaye Benthien: convict William SWANNELL per Eden (1) Karen French: convict Michael SWEENEY per Rodney (3) If you can help please ask the people concerned to e-mail me. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: meryl@tasfamily.net.au AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

----- Original Message ----- From: "thebasclains" <thebasclains@aapt.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: [TAS-CON] LEVY, Philip of Liverpool Street Hobart Town > Hi listers! > > Wondered if anyone could look-up exactly which number Liverpool Street > Hobart Town Philip LEVY was a shopkeeper at in 1848 onwards until he went > to NZ in around 1859. > > I also wondered whether there is any record other than the Synagogue or > births for Philip's children Isaac born 1842, Asher 1844. I know that > Lewis born 1839 and Sarah born 1846 went to NZ with the family around > 1857, but I have so far not been successful for Isaac or Asher. > > Cheers > Polly Basclain > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Cara At the time that the 'Australasia' convicts were transported, the predominant language of commerce and education, particularly in the eastern counties, was English, even though Gaelic was still the 'first language' of the Irish. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Cara_Links [mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au] Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 7:32 PM To: tcowley@bigpond.net.au Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Drift of Derwent Ducks also I dont often step in with corrections here but as irish research is my passion I have to say that the Gaelic language was in fact the first language of 90% of the Irish so it wasnt just a west of Ireland language---- but today it is in fact it is spoken in the West of Ireland more often than you would find it anywhere else Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] Drift of Derwent Ducks also > Hello All > > I believe that it was mainly the Irish convicts from the western counties > of > Ireland that were Gaelic-speaking - many of the 'Australasia' convicts > were > from these counties - as they were the most severely affected by the > famine. > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy and Peter [mailto:petjud52@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2005 3:18 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Drift of Derwent Ducks also > > The point Chris makes about many of these convicts being non English > speaking has probably been overlooked by most of us. My guess is this > would > be determined on the original locality of the individual and an > opportunity > for further research by a budding historian. > > cheers > > Peter Page > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Peter, Steve & others Re below: I have often seen on conduct records the notation, for example: Cert Feby 23 1863 tu This indicates that the convict TOOK UP their Certificate of Freedom on 23 February 1863, even thought it may have been due earlier. This notation of tu could also apply for Conditional Pardons, as in the case of my great great grandmother, who took up her Conditional Pardon about 10 years after it was due - before this date, I guess it was not necessary for her to have it. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thomas [mailto:pmthomas@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 6:54 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] Freedom records See below for relevant background - I think that there is a great advantage in check all available sources. Where they disagree, one ought be circumspect in preferring one over another: which is more likely to be correct ? Which involves less transcriptions, with the attendant possibility of a simple error ? That said, my understanding is that there is a difference between becoming free by servitude (or other means), on the one hand; and being issued with a Certificate of Freedom, on the other. If an emancipated convict remained in the colony, he might not bother asking for his CF. If, however, he wished to travel, it may be advantageous to have proof of his status. I have seen newspaper notices referring to "Certificates of Freedom awaiting collection at the Convict office". I am aware of one Scottish political prisoner, Robert GRAY ("Speke" to NSW 1820; unknown ship to VDL soon after), who was pardonned in Britain. He read of it in an English newspaper, months later. Two years later, he was complaining that the authorities in Hobart wouldn't give him his CF: they said it was the responsibility of the NSW authorities. I don't when, if ever, he got his paperwork. I acknowledge that prisoners who were pardonned, conditionally, absolutely, or otherwise, were probably treated a little differently from time-expired convicts. So, unlikely as it may seem, the possibility exists that the records you cite are not in error. Your man may have completed his sentence, but a gap of several years occurred before his CF was issued. I'd be looking for an explanation of that gap: therein might lie a story of its own. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Pearsall [mailto:spearsal@tassie.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 8:28 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] ToL in Newspapers ... We must remember that it was possible for the clerks in the convict department to make errors. I have seen one convict with a seven year sentence having no convictions in VDL and it being noted on his convict record that he received his Certificate of Freedom 14 years after his arrival. His Certifiate of Freedom was, however, Gazetted seven years after his arrival on the date that he should have become free - meaning the convict clerks in the Convict Department had made an error and picked it up seven years later when recording the freedom of those convicts arriving on the same ship with a 14 year sentence. ... I suppose what I am trying to say is that even though you are looking at a primary document, it is still possible for the contents to be incorrect. Regards, Steve Pearsall

See below for relevant background - I think that there is a great advantage in check all available sources. Where they disagree, one ought be circumspect in preferring one over another: which is more likely to be correct ? Which involves less transcriptions, with the attendant possibility of a simple error ? That said, my understanding is that there is a difference between becoming free by servitude (or other means), on the one hand; and being issued with a Certificate of Freedom, on the other. If an emancipated convict remained in the colony, he might not bother asking for his CF. If, however, he wished to travel, it may be advantageous to have proof of his status. I have seen newspaper notices referring to "Certificates of Freedom awaiting collection at the Convict office". I am aware of one Scottish political prisoner, Robert GRAY ("Speke" to NSW 1820; unknown ship to VDL soon after), who was pardonned in Britain. He read of it in an English newspaper, months later. Two years later, he was complaining that the authorities in Hobart wouldn't give him his CF: they said it was the responsibility of the NSW authorities. I don't when, if ever, he got his paperwork. I acknowledge that prisoners who were pardonned, conditionally, absolutely, or otherwise, were probably treated a little differently from time-expired convicts. So, unlikely as it may seem, the possibility exists that the records you cite are not in error. Your man may have completed his sentence, but a gap of several years occurred before his CF was issued. I'd be looking for an explanation of that gap: therein might lie a story of its own. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Pearsall [mailto:spearsal@tassie.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 8:28 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] ToL in Newspapers ... We must remember that it was possible for the clerks in the convict department to make errors. I have seen one convict with a seven year sentence having no convictions in VDL and it being noted on his convict record that he received his Certificate of Freedom 14 years after his arrival. His Certifiate of Freedom was, however, Gazetted seven years after his arrival on the date that he should have become free - meaning the convict clerks in the Convict Department had made an error and picked it up seven years later when recording the freedom of those convicts arriving on the same ship with a 14 year sentence. ... I suppose what I am trying to say is that even though you are looking at a primary document, it is still possible for the contents to be incorrect. Regards, Steve Pearsall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Arnold" <jeffarnold@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] ToL in Newspapers ...

Hello List I agree with Steve that you can't take what is written on convict records as verbatim. When I was researching information on the 'Australasia' convicts, I picked up many errors on the records, mainly because I was looking at a ship set of records. For example, one female convict was charged with an offence by an employer (this was written on her conduct record) when she had died 2 years previously (as noted in CON 63). The main problems occurred when there were convicts on the same ship with the same or similar names. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Lee-ann Thank you very much for that !! I wasn't expecting someone to send those details for I thought it would take me much longer to find them. I guess your info is also telling me the Death Certificate is not going to have much detail to it. I don't suppose the Newtown Charitable Institute records exist? Thanks Rosemary----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee-ann Atkinson" <thegardens@westnet.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] SMART > Hi Rosemary, > > Henry Smart was buried at Cornelian Bay Cemetery, Hobart, 18 June 1887 in > a > paupers grave, section A grave 489. Unfortunately no headstone. > His last residence was the Newtown Charitable Institute. > > > Regards Lee-ann > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi List, According to my Tasmanian Newspaper Index (1816-1829) the first listing of Ticket of Leaves was published in the Hobart Town Gazette of 19 April 1817. Given the fact that the recording of convict data prior to the mid 1820s is very brief in the surviving records, the Gazette may be the only source of many events relating to convicts. It also is valuable in later years to check the information on convict records. We must remember that it was possible for the clerks in the convict department to make errors. I have seen one convict with a seven year sentence having no convictions in VDL and it being noted on his convict record that he received his Certificate of Freedom 14 years after his arrival. His Certifiate of Freedom was, however, Gazetted seven years after his arrival on the date that he should have become free - meaning the convict clerks in the Convict Department had made an error and picked it up seven years later when recording the freedom of those convicts arriving on the same ship with a 14 year sentence. I have also seen a report in a newspaper of an enterprising convict in the Convict Department who was found guilty of taking bribes to falsify convict recrods. I wonder how much was paid to reduce a life sentence to a seven year sentence. I suppose what I am trying to say is that even though you are looking at a primary document, it is still possible for the contents to be incorrect. Regards, Steve Pearsall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Arnold" <jeffarnold@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] ToL in Newspapers > Were Govenment Notices published in the newspapers around 1819 listing the > names of convicts that had just received a ticket of leave or a > conditional pardon. I know that this practice happened in NSW, was it also > common in VDL? > > Jeff > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.9/185 - Release Date: 28/11/2005 > >

Hi Robert There is a death for a Henry Smart on the Tasmanian Pioneers Index: Digger - Tasmanian Pioneer Index 1803-1899 Query ----- Surname : smart (194 matches) Given Names : henry (16213 matches) Total matching records: 13 -------------------- Surname: SMART Given Names: HENRY Event: Death Father/Spouse Surname: Mother/Spouse Given Names: Day: 16 Month: 6 Year: 1887 Age: 82 Sex: M Spouse Age: Spouse Sex: Registration Place: HOBART Registration Number: 810/1887 Reference: RGD 35 Could this possibly be your man? Cheers Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 9:08 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] SMART Dear Trudy Thank you for your reply. No I haven't ordered anything yet. I thought I would join the mailing list first as I know you can get lots of tips, shortcuts and the direction in which to head. I am Australian but the rest of the family, all in QLD, are leaving it up to me. I really do need to contact Tasmanian Archives though I can see from Meryl's later reply that Henry Smart did not marry in Tasmania. Thank you Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] SMART > Hello Robert > > Have you ordered Henry Smart's convict records from the Archives Office of > Tasmania. You may also wish to look at the Permissions to Marry index > online at http://resources.archives.tas.gov.au/archmarriage/default.asp in > case he married in Tasmania. > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 1:33 AM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART > > Hi Listers > > I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. > My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I > tracked > him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to > Australia 1783 - 1842. > I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. > > Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William > Slade, > Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, > Aaron > Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, > Charles > Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith > - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all > living > in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, > transport > and source. > I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is > interested. > > Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register > which > does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the > National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. > Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only > depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. > - I was so near!!!!! > > Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- > Henry > Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next > please? > or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in > Australia. > > I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death > Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered > wrong > certificate!! > > PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so > could > do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses > > Thanks > Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Hello Robert Have you ordered Henry Smart's convict records from the Archives Office of Tasmania. You may also wish to look at the Permissions to Marry index online at http://resources.archives.tas.gov.au/archmarriage/default.asp in case he married in Tasmania. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 1:33 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART Hi Listers I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I tracked him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to Australia 1783 - 1842. I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William Slade, Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, Aaron Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, Charles Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all living in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, transport and source. I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is interested. Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register which does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. - I was so near!!!!! Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- Henry Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next please? or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in Australia. I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered wrong certificate!! PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so could do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses Thanks Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Rosemary, Henry Smart was buried at Cornelian Bay Cemetery, Hobart, 18 June 1887 in a paupers grave, section A grave 489. Unfortunately no headstone. His last residence was the Newtown Charitable Institute. Regards Lee-ann

Thanks for the quick response Rosemary, I have many Smarts in NSW, but unfortunately no Fanny. You still may want to keep me in mind if you find that there were more branches of the SMART family there - in particular a George Donary SMART who married Esther SHEATHER. Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2005 11:30 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] SMART Hi Chris Fanny, baptised Stroud, Gloucestershire 1828, maried John Chandler 1853, and went out to Adelaide, February, 1854 thence after 1 year to NSW. I was lucky Fanny's Death Certificate was incredibly fulsome. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Harris" <cnharris@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] SMART > Robert, > What is the name of the daughter? > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2005 10:33 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART > > Hi Listers > > I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. > My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I > tracked > him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to > Australia 1783 - 1842. > I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. > > Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William > Slade, > Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, > Aaron > Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, > Charles > Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith > - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all > living > in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, > transport > and source. > I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is > interested. > > Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register > which > does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the > National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. > Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only > depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. > - I was so near!!!!! > > Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- > Henry > Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next > please? > or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in > Australia. > > I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death > Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered > wrong > certificate!! > > PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so > could > do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses > > Thanks > Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > If you require assistance using this list, try the www.rootsweb.com 'HELP' > page. It may have the answer to your question. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at http://www.portarthur.org.au/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Trudy Thank you - yes I think it could be the man. He was 25 in 1831 on Gaol Register at his trial and according to IGI birth. ( Iam obtaining printout of birth from Gloucester Record Office) (Irene Wyatt did have 23 in her book but Henry was 25 on the official records I have, his wife Sarah tried at the same time and acquitted was 23 . (crime stealing 3 sheep) She was on the line below on Gaol Register so easy for a copying error at some stage. I will order this certificate and keep my fingers crossed. Thank you very much indeed for that info and also the website. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] SMART > Hi Robert > > There is a death for a Henry Smart on the Tasmanian Pioneers Index: > > Digger - Tasmanian Pioneer Index 1803-1899 > > > Query > ----- > Surname : smart (194 matches) > Given Names : henry (16213 matches) > > Total matching records: 13 > -------------------- > > Surname: SMART > Given Names: HENRY > Event: Death > Father/Spouse Surname: > Mother/Spouse Given Names: > Day: 16 > Month: 6 > Year: 1887 > Age: 82 > Sex: M > Spouse Age: > Spouse Sex: > Registration Place: HOBART > Registration Number: 810/1887 > Reference: RGD 35 > > > Could this possibly be your man? > > Cheers > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 9:08 AM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] SMART > > Dear Trudy > > Thank you for your reply. No I haven't ordered anything yet. > I thought I would join the mailing list first as I know you can get lots > of > > tips, shortcuts and the direction in which to head. > > I am Australian but the rest of the family, all in QLD, are leaving it up > to > > me. > > I really do need to contact Tasmanian Archives though I can see from > Meryl's > > later reply that Henry Smart did not marry in Tasmania. > > Thank you > Rosemary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:31 PM > Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] SMART > > >> Hello Robert >> >> Have you ordered Henry Smart's convict records from the Archives Office >> of >> Tasmania. You may also wish to look at the Permissions to Marry index >> online at http://resources.archives.tas.gov.au/archmarriage/default.asp >> in >> case he married in Tasmania. >> >> Regards >> Trudy >> >> Dr Trudy Cowley >> List Administrator >> TAS Convicts Rootsweb List >> tcowley@bigpond.net.au >> AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] >> Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 1:33 AM >> To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART >> >> Hi Listers >> >> I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. >> My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I >> tracked >> him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to >> Australia 1783 - 1842. >> I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. >> >> Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William >> Slade, >> Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, >> Aaron >> Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, >> Charles >> Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith >> - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all >> living >> in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, >> transport >> and source. >> I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is >> interested. >> >> Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register >> which >> does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the >> National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. >> Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only >> depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. >> - I was so near!!!!! >> >> Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- >> Henry >> Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next >> please? >> or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in >> Australia. >> >> I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death >> Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered >> wrong >> certificate!! >> >> PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so >> could >> do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses >> >> Thanks >> Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) >> >> >> ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at >> http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Robert, What is the name of the daughter? Chris -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2005 10:33 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART Hi Listers I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I tracked him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to Australia 1783 - 1842. I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William Slade, Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, Aaron Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, Charles Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all living in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, transport and source. I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is interested. Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register which does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. - I was so near!!!!! Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- Henry Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next please? or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in Australia. I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered wrong certificate!! PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so could do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses Thanks Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Dear Trudy Thank you for your reply. No I haven't ordered anything yet. I thought I would join the mailing list first as I know you can get lots of tips, shortcuts and the direction in which to head. I am Australian but the rest of the family, all in QLD, are leaving it up to me. I really do need to contact Tasmanian Archives though I can see from Meryl's later reply that Henry Smart did not marry in Tasmania. Thank you Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] SMART > Hello Robert > > Have you ordered Henry Smart's convict records from the Archives Office of > Tasmania. You may also wish to look at the Permissions to Marry index > online at http://resources.archives.tas.gov.au/archmarriage/default.asp in > case he married in Tasmania. > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Mather [mailto:mather@laburnum44.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2005 1:33 AM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] SMART > > Hi Listers > > I am very new to this list and am hoping you are able to help please. > My convict is Henry Smart transported on Lord Lyndoch 1 in 1831. I > tracked > him down through Irene Wyatt's Transportees from Gloucestershire to > Australia 1783 - 1842. > I also have details of the Lord Lyndoch from The Convict Ships. > > Other names on the same page in Wyatt are: William Skull, William > Slade, > Ann Slater, John Sley, Joseph Sly, Charles Smart, William Smart, > Aaron > Smith, Ambrose Smith, Amelia Smith w. of Joseph, Charles Smith, > Charles > Godwin Smith, Edmund Smith als Edward Smith, Edwin Smith, Edwin Smith > - yes there are 2 of them . These people range from1788 to 1840 all > living > in Gloucestershire. The book lists address/occupation , sentence, > transport > and source. > I did photocopy a couple of other pages as well. A and C if anyone is > interested. > > Through the Gloucestershire Record Office I have the the Gaol Register > which > does give description of Henry . I also have indictment file from the > National Archives. Unfortunately the trial records were not available. > Heavy weeding of the files had taken place from about 1830, only > depositions in capital cases, usually murder and riot , tend to survive. > - I was so near!!!!! > > Somebody kindly looked up Tasmanian Convicts on another list. --- > Henry > Smart is Convict No. 70718 . what do you think I should do next > please? > or could anybody help please? I have no info on Henry once he was in > Australia. > > I don't think Henry died in Tasmania so I took stab and ordered Death > Certificate from NSW BDM (where his daughter later went) but I ordered > wrong > certificate!! > > PS I work in Archive and Local History Centre in Selkirk, Scotland so > could > do a bit of looking up for Scottish Borders info - OPRs, Censuses > > Thanks > Rosemary (dreich day in Selkirk) > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'D mode' send an empty email with ONLY the word > UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >