Hello all, There was a report in the Times in October 1803 which, unfortunately does not throw much light on "the loaf of bread" argument, but it does show that some cases were dealt with leniently. It runs : "A fellow being lately tried for bigamy on the Irish Southern Circuit before Counsellor Calbeck, who being a King's Counsel, travelled as one of the judges, and being convicted of the fact upon the testimony of both his wives, the Judge, when proceeding to pass sentence, after lecturing the fellow pretty severely upon the heinousness of his offence, added "For my part, I have to regret that the law in this case deprives me of all discretion and suffers me to go no further than to sentence you to transportation for seven years. Instead of which, if I had my way, I would certainly give you a more severe fate. I would sentence you to seven years imprisonment in the same house with both your wives, where you would feel indeed the just punishment due to your atrocity "" ! Now ladies, don't blame me !! I am only the messenger !! Jim Halsey

Dorset Lent Assizes 16 March 1808 before Sir Alexander Thompson and Samuel Marshall, Sergeant at law. (held in Dorchester) Charlotte Barnes 13 Committed by J H Browne Esq charged with feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Benjamin Croft at Froome Vauchurch and stealing from thereout a blue handkerchief containing a quantity of nuts and a pair of slippers. Warrant 22 October 1807. Sentence: Transportation 7 years.

My grandfather's grandfather was a real "tea leaf" - he worked for a tea merchant in Hertford. On his way back from London picking up tea, coffee and snuff he picked up a young hitch hiker. As well he off loaded some of the tea and coffee to an unknown ostler on his way back to Hertford, unfortunately the hitch hiker was not asleep, as he thought, and witnessed the transaction. Fortunately for the next 7 generations he got 14 years and was sent VDL. His wife was the daughter of an Irish widowed mother of six who was caught stealing potatoes to feed her starving children. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: [TAS-CON] Loaf of Bread > Hello All > > > > I think some time ago someone posed the question "Did any convicts get > transported for stealing the proverbial loaf of bread?" > > > > I have recently come across an Irish female convict transported on Earl Grey > in 1849/1850 who stole bread and was transported for 7 years. Her sister > was transported with her for receiving the bread. Of course, this was at > the height of the great famine in Ireland. > > > > Regards > > Trudy > > > > Dr Trudy Cowley > > List Administrator > > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > > <mailto:tcowley@bigpond.net.au> tcowley@bigpond.net.au > > <mailto:AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

And maybe these good people were the first to establish Bread shops in Tassie?????????????

Hello All I think some time ago someone posed the question "Did any convicts get transported for stealing the proverbial loaf of bread?" I have recently come across an Irish female convict transported on Earl Grey in 1849/1850 who stole bread and was transported for 7 years. Her sister was transported with her for receiving the bread. Of course, this was at the height of the great famine in Ireland. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List <mailto:tcowley@bigpond.net.au> tcowley@bigpond.net.au <mailto:AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com

Hello All; A few years ago I attempted to piece together Daniel CUTTIFORD's (1805-1869) life, especially his time as a convict and later life in Triabunna. I managed to visit Buckland and the church where he was married and drove up to Swansea to chat to the great people in the FH centre there. The only unresolved part was getting to Rocky Hills. At the time the property owners were a little 'uncooperative' about letting anyone near the place, despite the fact that some of the buildings were still in tact, as was as the underground section that had simply been filled in with dirt (to protect the sheep). Even some graves remained. Would anyone know whether circumstances have changed and is it possible to get some decent pics of the place? There was talk at the time of turning it in a resort of some type. Any info greatly appreciated. Ian Preston Canberra

Dear Irene, Thank you so much for this and, yes please, I would appreciate it if you could scan his profile in Convict Unbound by Marjorie Tipping. Do you have the name of the widow he married? This evening I will try a search on the NSW bmd register - I hadn't done that as I assumed (how stupid to assume anything in this game!) that he had stayed in Tasmania. I have found his birth in England so he is the first of the Dorset transportees that I have found connections both sides. I really appreciate your help. Kind regards Maddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Schaffer" <schafferi@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Philip STRICKLAND or STICKLAND > Dear Maddy, > Your Peter Strickland arrived in Hobart on the > "Ocean" after transferring from Port Phillip in 1804. His name appears on > the Victualling muster for 1804 but after that he seems to have gone to > Sydney. I can scan his profile for you that is in the book Convict Unbound > by Marjorie Tipping (now out of print) if you like. He married a widow > and > she had two children to him in Sydney. > > Regards > > Irene > > Email: schafferi@optusnet.com.au > Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi > (including Norfolk Island and Van Diemens Land list) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Madeleine Duke" <maddyduke@btinternet.com> > To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:47 AM > Subject: [TAS-CON] Philip STRICKLAND or STICKLAND > > >> I am new to this list. I am researching Dorset people who were > transported to Australia between 1788 and 1813. >> >> Philip Stickland (sometimes Strickland) was transported on the HMS > Calcutta which went initially to what is now Melbourne in 1803 and then on > to Tasmania landing Jan 1st 1804. From the indexes I have discovered he > was > still alive when they arrived. If anyone has any more information about > him > I would be very grateful to receive it. >> Kind regards >> Maddy Duke >> >> >> ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >> Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at >> http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/2006 > >

Dear Maddy, Your Peter Strickland arrived in Hobart on the "Ocean" after transferring from Port Phillip in 1804. His name appears on the Victualling muster for 1804 but after that he seems to have gone to Sydney. I can scan his profile for you that is in the book Convict Unbound by Marjorie Tipping (now out of print) if you like. He married a widow and she had two children to him in Sydney. Regards Irene Email: schafferi@optusnet.com.au Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi (including Norfolk Island and Van Diemens Land list) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madeleine Duke" <maddyduke@btinternet.com> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: [TAS-CON] Philip STRICKLAND or STICKLAND > I am new to this list. I am researching Dorset people who were transported to Australia between 1788 and 1813. > > Philip Stickland (sometimes Strickland) was transported on the HMS Calcutta which went initially to what is now Melbourne in 1803 and then on to Tasmania landing Jan 1st 1804. From the indexes I have discovered he was still alive when they arrived. If anyone has any more information about him I would be very grateful to receive it. > Kind regards > Maddy Duke > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at > http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hello Maddy Have you checked Marjorie Tippings' book 'Convicts Unbound' as that lists information on the 'Calcutta' convicts. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Madeleine Duke [mailto:maddyduke@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 3:48 AM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Philip STRICKLAND or STICKLAND I am new to this list. I am researching Dorset people who were transported to Australia between 1788 and 1813. Philip Stickland (sometimes Strickland) was transported on the HMS Calcutta which went initially to what is now Melbourne in 1803 and then on to Tasmania landing Jan 1st 1804. From the indexes I have discovered he was still alive when they arrived. If anyone has any more information about him I would be very grateful to receive it. Kind regards Maddy Duke ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Female Factory Historic Site website at http://www.femalefactory.com.au/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

To all the kind people who replied to my query about records of Thomas BYWATER, my sincere thanks. You have given me a great deal of information and assistance. Alison U. Ring, Ladysmith, BC Norfolk Fam. Hist. Soc. #5536 wydrais@shaw.ca

I am new to this list. I am researching Dorset people who were transported to Australia between 1788 and 1813. Philip Stickland (sometimes Strickland) was transported on the HMS Calcutta which went initially to what is now Melbourne in 1803 and then on to Tasmania landing Jan 1st 1804. From the indexes I have discovered he was still alive when they arrived. If anyone has any more information about him I would be very grateful to receive it. Kind regards Maddy Duke

Just for the convenience of the lister enquiring, Genseek's correct URL is www.genseek.net/cons.htm (changed provider a year or so ago..still trying to get the old webpages off the net!!! ) The old Genseek website @ hotkey is very outdated. You can search all 900+ of the Genseek webpages just by using the searchengine on the homepage www.genseek.net cheers Jeny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Cowley" <tcowley@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] Thomas BYWATER > Hello Alison > > You could try looking at the resources listed on Jenny Fawcett's website at > http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cons.htm. The Tasmanian convict > resources are towards the bottom of the page. > > Have you looked to see if he married - convict permissions to marry are > listed at http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5. > > If he died in Hobart, he may be listed on the SRCT website at > http://www.srct.com.au/search.html. Alternatively he may be listed on > TAMIOT at http://eheritage.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/ (just type in his name > in the search field). > > Regards > Trudy > > Dr Trudy Cowley > List Administrator > TAS Convicts Rootsweb List > tcowley@bigpond.net.au > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alison U. Ring [mailto:wydrais@shaw.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:27 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] Thomas BYWATER > > New to the List I am researching further details in the life of Thomas > BYWATER. He was tried at Leicester Assizes 02 Aug 1841 for killing two > sheep. At the age of 44, his accomplice (William WEBB, aged 24) and he were > sentenced to be transported to Tasmania. They sailed from Sheerness, 02 Oct > 1842, in the Duchess of Northumberland and arrived at Hobart 18 Jan 1843. > > If anyone could suggest modern sources for determining incidents in his > further life and death/burial, I should be most interested. Living in > Canada (Vancouver Island, BC) I am not able to reach major centres > personally and have to depend on the Internet, films and fiches from Salt > Lake City and Record Offices etc. > > Alison U. Ring, Ladysmith, BC > Norfolk Fam. Hist. Soc. #5536 > wydrais@shaw.ca > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit Jenny Fawcett's Tasmanian Convicts website at > http://www.genseek.net/constas.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Alison You could try looking at the resources listed on Jenny Fawcett's website at http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cons.htm. The Tasmanian convict resources are towards the bottom of the page. Have you looked to see if he married - convict permissions to marry are listed at http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5. If he died in Hobart, he may be listed on the SRCT website at http://www.srct.com.au/search.html. Alternatively he may be listed on TAMIOT at http://eheritage.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/ (just type in his name in the search field). Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Alison U. Ring [mailto:wydrais@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:27 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] Thomas BYWATER New to the List I am researching further details in the life of Thomas BYWATER. He was tried at Leicester Assizes 02 Aug 1841 for killing two sheep. At the age of 44, his accomplice (William WEBB, aged 24) and he were sentenced to be transported to Tasmania. They sailed from Sheerness, 02 Oct 1842, in the Duchess of Northumberland and arrived at Hobart 18 Jan 1843. If anyone could suggest modern sources for determining incidents in his further life and death/burial, I should be most interested. Living in Canada (Vancouver Island, BC) I am not able to reach major centres personally and have to depend on the Internet, films and fiches from Salt Lake City and Record Offices etc. Alison U. Ring, Ladysmith, BC Norfolk Fam. Hist. Soc. #5536 wydrais@shaw.ca ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

New to the List I am researching further details in the life of Thomas BYWATER. He was tried at Leicester Assizes 02 Aug 1841 for killing two sheep. At the age of 44, his accomplice (William WEBB, aged 24) and he were sentenced to be transported to Tasmania. They sailed from Sheerness, 02 Oct 1842, in the Duchess of Northumberland and arrived at Hobart 18 Jan 1843. If anyone could suggest modern sources for determining incidents in his further life and death/burial, I should be most interested. Living in Canada (Vancouver Island, BC) I am not able to reach major centres personally and have to depend on the Internet, films and fiches from Salt Lake City and Record Offices etc. Alison U. Ring, Ladysmith, BC Norfolk Fam. Hist. Soc. #5536 wydrais@shaw.ca

Hi Thanks Trudy Just tried it but no luck Thanks again for your time > There is the departures index online on the Archives Office of Tasmania > website - see http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=2. This > has only been uploaded very recently. > -- Regards, Laurence E Stephenson www.users.bigpond.net.au/steppayne I am Researching:- Butcher..............Stroud, Gloucestershire, England.................>1856 Fortune..............Berwickshire, Scotland................................>1858 Garlick...............Liverpool, Lancashire, England.....................>1863 Mee...................Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine)................>1884 Payne................Washingborough, Lincolnshire, England........>1863 Ritchie...............Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.................>1860 Stephenson........Pickering, Yorkshire, England .....................>1856 Wittick...... .......(Convict) Walsall, Staffordshire, England........>1822 Heartnet = Heart support = http://heartnet.cci.ecu.edu.au/

Down for maintenance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roslyn" <rosrob@acay.com.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [TAS-CON] NSW BDMs >I have not been able to get on to B.D. & M for a few days > Roslyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter n Judy [mailto:petjud52@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2006 8:02 PM > To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TAS-CON] NSW BDMs > > > Anybody else having problems tapping into NSW Birth Deaths and Marriages > historical indexes > > cheers > > Peter > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at > http://www.portarthur.org.au/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Campbell Town Convict Trail website at > http://www.convictbricktrail.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "thebasclains" <thebasclains@aapt.net.au> To: <AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: [TAS-CON] How to log-on sideways to NSW Bdm > Hi there, > > out of curiosity I found myself impelled to try to log-in to NSW Bdm, I > had no luck the normal way so try using google entering NSW bdm and then > click on the link, I don't know why but this seems to be working Takes a > while, but it does log-in > > Cheers > > Polly > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'D mode' send an empty email with ONLY the word > UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text to AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Laurence There is the departures index online on the Archives Office of Tasmania website - see http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=2. This has only been uploaded very recently. Good luck. Regards Trudy Dr Trudy Cowley List Administrator TAS Convicts Rootsweb List tcowley@bigpond.net.au AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Laurence E Stephenson [mailto:laurencestephenson@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2006 2:28 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TAS-CON] Wrightwick, Whitwick, Whittick, Wittick Hi Trudy Thanks for the information. Do you know if there any passenger lists on line for passage from Tasmania to Melbourne

The book "Van Dieman's Land The Journey Home, an historical colonial narrative" by Lynne Christison Rhodes was launched yesterday at the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery. This charming book combines Lynn's poems with her family stories, from her First Fleet convicts to the 20th century. Convicts, seafarers, soldiers, nurses all are portrayed with photos. Names include, Goodwin, Munro, Sweeney, Murphy, Millhouse, Hurst, Heath to mention a few. Available from Lynne at "Heathcliff" Broadmash Tasmania 2006 Irene Email: schafferi@optusnet.com.au Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi (including Norfolk Island and Van Diemens Land list)

I have not been able to get on to B.D. & M for a few days Roslyn -----Original Message----- From: Peter n Judy [mailto:petjud52@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2006 8:02 PM To: AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TAS-CON] NSW BDMs Anybody else having problems tapping into NSW Birth Deaths and Marriages historical indexes cheers Peter ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Visit the Port Arthur Historic Site website at http://www.portarthur.org.au/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx