Marie, Thanks for trying. I have since found out that the book only covers up to about 1825. My Maria Lowens arrived much later. Sorry to trouble you. George Mullins Cottesloe, WA

Hi Cathie, Thank you. Yes, this is the Maria Lowens I am looking for. I wasn't aware of the year range of The Notorious Strumpets book. George Mullins Cottesloe, WA

Hi Cathie Thanks so much for replying to my query. I do have a photocopy of George & Mary's marriage but thank you for taking the time to check on that. I have approx 15 variations of Mary's name from Back to Rochell. My Mary was born Dublin (as shown on her death cert) so I do wonder if it is this Marianne BROOKWELL. I found the name in the "Claim A Convict" list ages ago, saw it again a couple of weeks ago, have just had another look and now it's gone. If you can look up the indents for that ship at your local library I would be most grateful. My Mary BROCKWELL (I say BROCKWELL because I have two documents that show this spelling, but it may not be her correct surname) married George DAY (bn Tenerife) in 1835. Children of George & Mary DAY 29 Apr 1836 Rosina Agnes DAY at New Norfolk, mother U Maria Jane (don't know what the U stands for). Rosina died Hamilton, 2 Jun 1840 at Hamilton. Female DAY bn 4 Aug 1842 at Hobart, mother Mary BIRKELL John DAY bn 25 May 1844 at Hobart, mother Mary BROCKELL Male DAY bn 10 Apr 1846 at Hobart, mother Mary BROOKER Female DAY bn 16 Sep 1847 at Hamilton, mother Mary BACKEL Male DAY bn 24 Jan 1849 at Hamilton, mother Mary BUCKLE Male DAY bn 16 Mar 1851 at New Norfolk, mother Mary BROCKWELL (probably Peter DAY) Male DAY bn 1 Aug 1852 at New Norfolk, mother Mary BUCKERELL The children listed above as male / female are Simon, Louis, Peter, Elizabeth & Annie (these names are shown on George & Mary's death certs). I can't put a name to any of the birth details above except for Peter, as on their parents death certs the children's ages vary so much from one death cert to the other as much as 10 years, even though the parents died within four years of each other. George & Mary DAY along with Peter, John and Louis came to NZ abt 1868. It is not known whether Simon, Elizabeth or Annie came. Simon must have died between the death of George on 3 Jan 1889 & Mary on 14 May 1893 as he is not shown on his mother's death cert. There is a marriage of an Annie DAY age 23 to Michael TIERNEY age 24 at Launceston dated 18 Oct 1871 and one of an Elizabeth DAY age 26 to John HILL age 35 at Tasman dated 21 Nov 1871. These could possibly be my Annie & Elizabeth. Peter DAY son of George & Mary married my gt grandmother Emily STEVENS at Christchurch, NZ in 1895 after Emily had already had four illegitimate children. Her occupation was barmaid / prostitute. The DAYs once settled in NZ are as mysterious as when they were in Tasmania. If you do get to the Genealogical Society of Victoria and would like to do a little research for me there it would be really appreciated but I don't expect you to go to any trouble as I know how time consuming research can be and after all yours is more important than anyone else's! Best of luck. Regards Margaret J Armstrong, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND -----Original Message----- From: Cathie Shaw [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 11 March 2002 3:40 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] DAY & BROCKWELL (Were these folk convicts?) Hi Margaret, With reagrds your mystery people. I found their marriage entry: 22/6/1835 George Day (who could sign his name) and Mary Backell (spinster), but then next to her mark X the name is written as Mary Beckett. Witnesses Maud Wilson and Thomas Allwright; W. Garrard the minister. I would guess that you have this. They are not listed as being convicts or prisoners at the time. The entry on NSW convict women for Brookwell Marianne Dublin City .. IRELAND aka [Brocknall] on Mariner 1825. I believe this is transcribed from the indents for the ship. I think that I can look this up at our local library. With regards to the children and possible marriages...I have had some luck with my "possibles" by looking at the marriage entries, and finding the rest of the family as witnesses (or not, as the case may be). If you have some dates and names, I could give this a try when I next visit the Genealogical Society of Victoria...perhaps later this week. There is quite a lot of Tasmanian material there. Kind Regards, Cathie Shaw, Kew, Victoria. ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, I was referred to this site by another member of the ship's list. I'm trying to find Edward Grace, he was sentenced to "Transportation 7 Yrs." on 09/07/1845. He was sentenced in Co. Carlow, Ireland. I have a family record that say's he was SENT to Australia. Could anyone tell me where to find convict ships lists. Thanks, Richard

Hi Margaret, With reagrds your mystery people. I found their marriage entry: 22/6/1835 George Day (who could sign his name) and Mary Backell (spinster), but then next to her mark X the name is written as Mary Beckett. Witnesses Maud Wilson and Thomas Allwright; W. Garrard the minister. I would guess that you have this. They are not listed as being convicts or prisoners at the time. The entry on NSW convict women for Brookwell Marianne Dublin City .. IRELAND aka [Brocknall] on Mariner 1825. I believe this is transcribed from the indents for the ship. I think that I can look this up at our local library. With regards to the children and possible marriages...I have had some luck with my "possibles" by looking at the marriage entries, and finding the rest of the family as witnesses (or not, as the case may be). If you have some dates and names, I could give this a try when I next visit the Genealogical Society of Victoria...perhaps later this week. There is quite a lot of Tasmanian material there. Kind Regards, Cathie Shaw, Kew, Victoria.

The name Marianne BROOKWELL was found on the "Claim A Convict" website. Arrive 1825 - Ship "Mariner" - Tried Dublin City 1824. Tasmania Archives do not have her listed and nor does the Irish Archives. Is there anyone researching this name or can tell me where to go from here and how can I find out who submitted the name to Claim A Convict? Thank you. Margaret J Armstrong, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND

Thank you Cathie Yes, these three George's are what I already have -what a bummer! Two were from England and one from Scotland. Two were of similar age to my George DAY, however there is the possibility that the birthplace of my George is incorrect as Tenerife. Or he was born there but lived in England all of his life. Who knows!!! So many possibilities. Did you come up with anything else on Mary? Thank you very much for replying it was appreciated. All the best. Margaret J Armstrong, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND -----Original Message----- From: Cathie Shaw [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 1:51 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] DAY & BROCKWELL (Were these folk convicts?) Hello Margaret, I guess that these are the three George Day's you have already come up with, but they are the only ones that arrived before the marriage in 1835: Convict Number 19751 Surname Day Given Name(s) George See Surname See Given Name(s) Ship Name William Metcalfe Departure Port Portsmouth Departure Date 23/05/1834 Arrival Date 4/09/1834 Conduct Record CON31/10 Indent Description List CON18/22 Muster Roll Other Records Appropriation List CSO1/746/16103, MM33/6 Convict Number 19749 Surname Day Given Name(s) George See Surname See Given Name(s) Ship Name York (1) Departure Port London Departure Date 11/05/1829 Arrival Date 28/08/1829 Conduct Record CON31/9 Indent MM33/1 Description List CON18/1, CON23/1 Muster Roll Other Records Appropriation List MM33/5, CON27/4 Convict Number 19748 Surname Day Given Name(s) George See Surname See Given Name(s) Ship Name Manlius (1) Departure Port London Departure Date 29/07/1828 Arrival Date 9/11/1828 Conduct Record CON31/9 Indent MM33/1 Description List CON23/1 Muster Roll Other Records Appropriation List MM33/5 I cannot come up with a reasonable proposition for Mary, But let me try some more. Cheers, Cathie

Hi Alan >From your convict record, sounds like his wife was able to come out on the same ship. It would be worth checking the passanger list, this was sometimes the case, I have one in my lot. Pam Calverley Canberra _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Can anyone help I have a convict ancestor who arrived in Tasmania on the Georgiana 2 on the 2nd Feb. 1833. He was convicted at Berkshire Assizes. In the Convict record his Native place is described as 'Bramsboro" There is also a comment "Married, 2 children -wife Sarah at Bramsborogh on board 'Orderly' ." Despite a general search on the Net and checking various maps and Gazetters etc I have been unable to locate either Bramsboro or Bramsborogh. Presumably the latter should be on the coast if a boat is involved. As the Georgiana 2 left from Portsmouth it may be in that area. My records indicate he was born, baptised, and committed the offence for which he was convicted at Ramsbury. He was convicted at Abingdon, Wiltshire. Can Ramsbury possibly be misconstrued as Bramsboro? Any ideas will help Regards Alan Crawford Canberra - Australia

There is an old settlement named Bramborough in Leicestershire. Have a look at http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:7p_82B9IVC8C:www.btinternet.com/~simonm archini/settleme.htm+bramborough&hl=en David in Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Crawford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Whereabouts of Bramsborogh / Bramsboro? > Can anyone help > > I have a convict ancestor who arrived in Tasmania on the Georgiana 2 on the > 2nd Feb. 1833. He was convicted at Berkshire Assizes. > > In the Convict record his Native place is described as 'Bramsboro" There is > also a comment "Married, 2 children -wife Sarah at Bramsborogh on board > 'Orderly' ." > > Despite a general search on the Net and checking various maps and Gazetters > etc I have been unable to locate either Bramsboro or > Bramsborogh. Presumably the latter should be on the coast if a boat is > involved. As the Georgiana 2 left from Portsmouth it may be in that area. > > My records indicate he was born, baptised, and committed the offence for > which he was convicted at Ramsbury. He was convicted at Abingdon, > Wiltshire. Can Ramsbury possibly be misconstrued as Bramsboro? > > Any ideas will help > > > Regards > > Alan Crawford > Canberra - Australia > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks for everyones suggestions re. prison hulk reports. Thomas Prosser embarked from Woolwich in 1837, so I will try to narrow down which hulks were there in that time frame. I found some information about hulk records on the Society of Australian Genealogists web site. I have copied and pasted it here for everyones info:- There are several record classes that record the convicts on the hulks: Registers of convicts in prisons and on prison ships (hulks) awaiting transportation - PRO class PCOM 2 (1770-1951) Hulk registers - PRO class HO 9 (1802-49). Quarterly returns of convicts in gaols and hulks - PRO class HO 8 (1824-76) Quarterly returns of convicts in hulks - PRO class T 38 (1802-31) Other prison registers - PRO classes HO 23 and HO 24 (1838-75) All of these registers and returns typically contain a physical description and details of occupation, marital status, character, state of health, and eventual discharge, death or transfer to another prison of each inmate. None of the volumes is indexed. Court orders for imprisonment or transfer to another prison - PRO class PCOM 5 (1843-71), indexed in PCOM 6. >From 1841, the decennial censuses, in the institutional returns of the places where the hulks were moored - but names frequently show only initials, not forenames. Some of these items have been copied by the AJCP and are readily available in Australia. Further Reading The intolerable hulks : British shipboard confinement, 1776-1857 by Charles Campbell Heritage Books, 1994 SAG library reference: M3/23/3 The English prison hulks by William Branch Johnson published C Johnson, 1957 SAG library reference: N3/23/1 Britain's convicts to the colonies by Wilfrid Oldham published Library of Australian History 1990 SAG library reference: A3/23/24 Prison hulks: the value of their records to family history research by Betty Upton Thesis for SAG's Dip FHS, 1995 SAG library reference: Thesis B2/11/324 If anyone has used these registers or returns can they let me know where they accessed them. Robyne. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

M MUNDAY Sorry, none there Garry, Marie Munday ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Mullins <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Another Notorious Strumpets Lookup pls > Dear List, > > Would those KS's who recently did a lookup from Notorious Strumpets for > Gwenda Thomson, mind doing one for me? > > Maria LOWENS > > Thanks > > George Mullins > Cottesloe, WA > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Robyne, From the surgeon's report, if detailed enough, you may be able to establish from which ports the convicts were embarked. From that or otherwise, you may be able to deduce which hulk/s from the time period given in the book "Bound for Australia" by David Hawkings. At 11:43 AM 6/03/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Can someone tell me how to find out what hulk a >convict was on? The convict indent says "hulk report >good", but how do you go about finding out what hulk a >convict was on and where do you look for the reports? >thanks, Robyne. >Convict interest Thomas Prosser Moffatt 2. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian >Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear George. Is this Maria Lowens the one transported in 1849? The Notorious Strumpets etc is only up to 1829, I believe. The details I have for Maria Lowens are: Convict Number 47727 Surname Lowens Given Name(s) Maria See Surname See Given Name(s) Ship Name Stately Departure Port Plymouth Departure Date 5/06/1849 Arrival Date 2/09/1849 Conduct Record CON41/23 Indent CON15/5 Description List CON19/7 Kine Regards, Cathie Shaw Garry Mullins wrote: > Dear List, > > Would those KS's who recently did a lookup from Notorious Strumpets for > Gwenda Thomson, mind doing one for me? > > Maria LOWENS > > Thanks > > George Mullins > Cottesloe, WA > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

G'day, I'm not a descendant of Richard, but of his co-offender William RICE (1780-1853): ADDY, Richard (c1791 - 1826+) born Barnby Dan; 1815 - in 95th Regiment at Waterloo (was awarded a Waterloo medal); in 1820, weaver, master of a shop in Wilson’s Piece, Barnsley WRY; 1820 - convicted of High Treason; he was second in command of the rebels, and wore a white hat, apparentrly emulating Henry HUNT at Peterloo (1819) arrived Tasmania 1821, per "Lady Ridley" convict ship. I've just got access to his convict records. Apparently, he left a wife & several children in Barnsley. They may have followed: most of his co-offenders' families came out within a year or two. On 20 Feb 1824, the Hobart Town Gazette notified that Richard had been granted a Ticket of Leave (like modern parole). The last reference I found for him is in 1826: he was then a Constable at Grindstone Bay, on the east coast of Tasmania. In 1850, Revd G. MAXWELL* of Barnsley wrote to the Tasmanian government, inquiring after Richard ADDY. A reply was sent in 1851. The correspondence was not available, but the correspondence register included the above details. *it was difficult to read the handwriting: I think G. MAXWELL is correct. There is no record of Richard ADDY's death in Tasmania. I'm hoping that this might help an ADDY descendants. If anyone can shed light on Rev'd G. MAXWELL, I'd be interested: which denomination; where in Barnsley was his parish ? Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]>

G'day, this fellow is a genealogical nightmare. I'm not descended from him, but from one of his co-offenders, William RICE. What I have discovered about Michael is a follows - his father was an Irishman; Michael was born in Bombay, c1771; by 1820, he was married with 3 kids; in 1820 he was arrested for his part in the WRY rebellion, and convicted of High Treason; at that time he was described as "weaver of Monkbretton"; in 1822, he arrived in Hobart, VDL (now Tasmania) per "Phoenix" (the other eleven came per "Lady Ridley" in 1821); his description in 1822 notes that several fingers were crippled, and he gave his former occupation as a "soldier" - no details; he was given a good job as watchman at Hobart Hospital - ten pounds per annum; and in 1826, he was the first of the 12 High Treason Prisoners to be given a pardon. He left Hobart as soon as he could, per "Providence", bound for Sydney. >From there, the Providence went to Bombay, but I don't know if Michael DOWNING was on it, or any details of him, after he left Hobart. Ireland, India, WRY, VDL, then who-knows-where; all in two generations - that might be someone's brick wall. Hoping this helps. Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <pmthoma[email protected]>

Hi, Am trying to find a BLOOMFIELD ancestor for my stepfather that arrived in Tasmania in 1812 on the convict transport Indefatigable. He was a 'soldier', not a convict. Is sks able to help? Michelle Linneth Darwin, NT

No Maria Lowens -----Original Message----- From: Garry Mullins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 12:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Another Notorious Strumpets Lookup pls Dear List, Would those KS's who recently did a lookup from Notorious Strumpets for Gwenda Thomson, mind doing one for me? Maria LOWENS Thanks George Mullins Cottesloe, WA ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear List, Would those KS's who recently did a lookup from Notorious Strumpets for Gwenda Thomson, mind doing one for me? Maria LOWENS Thanks George Mullins Cottesloe, WA

Forwarding message to the list ... please reply to this address ... as this person is not a subscriber ... Peter's email is listed at the end of this post. Bright Blessings Sandie List Administrator ... G'day, I'm related to a George ROLFE who was living in Melbourne in 1880s, and who is on the Vic Federation ER of 1899 (Fitzroy). I have no idea of his age then; only that he was a plasterer, and that c1889, he left Great-grandma holding the bundle (specifically, Grandma). Great-grandma was from Maryborough, Vic. Grandma was born in Melbourne. So my George could have been a resident of either, or anywhere at all, I suppose. If anyone has a connection with George ROLFE of VDL &/or NI, as above, I'd be interested to know if he was still around in 1899, or perhaps had a descendant by the same name ? I'm aware that Bill Sargent is researching the Circassian men, so I've copied this to him. I know that convict Geo ROLFE was convicted Liverpool QS 09 Jan 1832; stealing; 7 years; arr VDL per "Circassian" 15.02.1833, then aged 18 years; after a few colonial offences, was sentenced to death for a burglary in Hobart; some co-offenders were hanged, but George was commuted and departed Hobart per ship "John" 23.12.1833, bound for Norfolk Island. Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]>