Seeking information please on Chauncey Sheldon born 1786 served in the patriot war in 1837 and 1838.he was captured and sentenced to be shot but he fast talked his way out of that and was sentenced to hard labour for life at Van Diemans Land he was pardoned in 1844 and returned to America in 1846 Chauncey had been married to Lucy Whiting , but she died in 1832 please contact Sally on [email protected]

Seeking information please on Nathan Whiting served in the Patriot War of 1837 an insurrection in Canada where many U.S citizens joined the Canadian patriots He was captured and sent to London,from there he was banished to Van Diemans Land after seven years ,he escaped in an American ship and returned to New York contact Sally on [email protected]

G'day, the following is all I have so far, but I'm still working ... PEACOCK, John (c1775) - born Little Frinton; farmer & clothier; rebel Huddersfield (no date); indicted; transported per Lady Ridley to Van Diemen's Land for 14 years: 165cm; grey eyes; dark brown hair Rude: free pardon June 1835 no record of his death in Tasmania Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2002 09:07 To: [email protected] Subject: West Riding Rebels Hi Peter, I have just picked up some notes from rootsweb re your connection to the above, particularly William Rice in your case. I have been wondering for some time why one of my ancestors disappeared from the area, leaving a wife and several children. I've gone through the usual culprits of missing parish entries etc but to no avail. Your write up gives me a possible long shot as a John Peacock, same name as my ancestor, appears on the petition. Do you have any other information than his name at all ? I'd be very grateful for it if you do. Yours hopefully !! Ian (Lloyd)

Hello all; My name is Ian Preston, I live in Canberra, and I must admit I never thought I would be subscribing to this list. For the last few years I've been chasing Parish Registers, headstones and Census returns that relate to the Midlands of England, my father's family in Loughborough and my mother's in Barwell, both in Leicestershire. I help run the Barwell mail-list as well as manage a newly created Barwell FH website. My mother's maiden name was BOTTERILL, her parents Joseph William and Alice Maud (formerly CUTTIFORD). I better speed this up, you're probably getting bored..... Alice was born in 1888 to David & Nellie David was born in 1865 to Daniel & Mary Daniel was born in 1831 to Daniel & Ann Daniel was born in 1805 to Daniel & Elizabeth. The 1805 Daniel CUTTIFORD was a shoe maker in Coventry. In 1842 he fell foul of the law and was sentenced to 18months for passing a counterfeit half crown. He had nine kids at this stage so the Judge must have taken pity on him (or at least his wife Ann), counterfeiting being a hanging offence. By 1851 he had vanished from the Warwickshire census. I'd lost him. Then I found him again, on the Post Office Directory of Springbay dated 1866. And so my friends, I join your list, with the following to offer: Convict No: 18447 Name: CUTTIFORD, Daniel Ship: Palmyra Date of Departure: 1May1846, Portsmouth Date of Arrival in Hobart: 23Aug1846 Conduct Record: CON33/81 Description List: CO18/47 INDENT: CON14/36 Age: 40 Daniel had been sprung receiving stolen goods and was sentenced to seven years as it was a second offence.. So far, all I know is that he married Ann TEDMAN in Prossers Plains Baptist Church, 30Mar1854 He was a Shoemaker in Triabunna in 1866 Ann died Springbay 4Jan1869 Daniel died Springbay 5Jul1869 The most excellent Susan Hood at Port Arthur, who has been a great help, is arranging some Tas Archives records for me, which should be available by the end of next week, but already the urge to jump on a QANTAS and start wondering the fields of Spring Bay is stirring. Given that my wife would insist on coming with me, the budget will have to be re-arranged before that can happen, so, could anyone help me with the following: 1. Does the cemetery at Spring Bay still exist & has it been indexed? 2. Does St John's The Baptist at Prossers Plains still stand? 3. Will Daniel's records detail where he served his time, when he was released etc? 4. On their marriage cert of 1854, both Daniel & Ann recorded themselves as widow(er). (Not strictly correct as his wife in England didn't die until 1891). Ann didn't arrive as a convict under the name of Tedman and I've been unable to locate any records that would indicate where she came from and what her maiden name was. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can follow that up? Any help, guidance, advice that anyone could offer will be much appreciated as this is my first venture into researching Australian records. The prospect of having a dead relative (other than my parents of course) in the Southern Hemisphere is quite unique to me. Thanks in advance (and thanks for reading all of the above) Ian

Lesley But then again, given that many womwn took on their husbands names, especially if she really was free then she, ie Mary Wood proabbaly went under the name of her husband, especially as there was no-one to marry them anyway! I think you really need to get these documents, (land grant, emancipation), if you haven't already, and see if they reveal anything internally so to speak. Garry [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 91 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Dalrymple, 180 ["The Gang" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Dalrymple, 1809 land grants query. > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:29:09 +1000 > From: "The Gang" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hello list, > I have a question I am hoping someone can answer. > I am trying to track my ancestors: > Michael Fitzgerald. "Minerva" 1800. sentence: Life. > and Mary Wood. (I'm unsure if she was a convict or not) > Michael Fitzgerald & Mary Wood were married at Port Dalrymple 16 March 1811, and their children Maria and William were baptised the same day. > In 1809, a Mary Fitzgerald was granted 30 acres of land at PD. Michael Fitzgerald was also given a conditional pardon, and land grant the same year. > Now, presuming Mary Wood was living with Michael Fitzgerald ( as they had two children by 1811) could this be Mary Wood? Or is the Mary Fitzgerald likely to be another person? > To confuse me more, I have found birth records for: > Mary Fitzgerald born Feb 1791, Norfolk Island > & > Mary Wood, born Nov 1794, Norfolk Island. > In 1805, some convicts were sent from NI to VDL, a Michael Fitzgerald is listed among them. I am trying to determine if both Marys' were sent to VDL then also. > Can anyone advise if Mary Wood could have been listed on the land grant as "Fitzgerald", even though she was not yet legally married to Michael Fitzgerald? > with thanks, > Lesley Wilson.

Lesley Thinking about this more since we spoke, and given that this a land grant and the reference in Tardif to emancipation of a Mary Fitzgerald, then I'm beginning to think that this is another Mary Fitzgerald, ie not Mary Wood who married Michael. After all, female convicts generally seemed to be identified by their maiden names. But then if both these women were born on NI, neither would be a convict anyway! Must be a simple explanation somewhere. Garry [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 91 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Dalrymple, 180 ["The Gang" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the AUS-TAS-CONVICTS-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Port Dalrymple, 1809 land grants query. > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:29:09 +1000 > From: "The Gang" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hello list, > I have a question I am hoping someone can answer. > I am trying to track my ancestors: > Michael Fitzgerald. "Minerva" 1800. sentence: Life. > and Mary Wood. (I'm unsure if she was a convict or not) > Michael Fitzgerald & Mary Wood were married at Port Dalrymple 16 March 1811, and their children Maria and William were baptised the same day. > In 1809, a Mary Fitzgerald was granted 30 acres of land at PD. Michael Fitzgerald was also given a conditional pardon, and land grant the same year. > Now, presuming Mary Wood was living with Michael Fitzgerald ( as they had two children by 1811) could this be Mary Wood? Or is the Mary Fitzgerald likely to be another person? > To confuse me more, I have found birth records for: > Mary Fitzgerald born Feb 1791, Norfolk Island > & > Mary Wood, born Nov 1794, Norfolk Island. > In 1805, some convicts were sent from NI to VDL, a Michael Fitzgerald is listed among them. I am trying to determine if both Marys' were sent to VDL then also. > Can anyone advise if Mary Wood could have been listed on the land grant as "Fitzgerald", even though she was not yet legally married to Michael Fitzgerald? > with thanks, > Lesley Wilson.

Hello list, I have a question I am hoping someone can answer. I am trying to track my ancestors: Michael Fitzgerald. "Minerva" 1800. sentence: Life. and Mary Wood. (I'm unsure if she was a convict or not) Michael Fitzgerald & Mary Wood were married at Port Dalrymple 16 March 1811, and their children Maria and William were baptised the same day. In 1809, a Mary Fitzgerald was granted 30 acres of land at PD. Michael Fitzgerald was also given a conditional pardon, and land grant the same year. Now, presuming Mary Wood was living with Michael Fitzgerald ( as they had two children by 1811) could this be Mary Wood? Or is the Mary Fitzgerald likely to be another person? To confuse me more, I have found birth records for: Mary Fitzgerald born Feb 1791, Norfolk Island & Mary Wood, born Nov 1794, Norfolk Island. In 1805, some convicts were sent from NI to VDL, a Michael Fitzgerald is listed among them. I am trying to determine if both Marys' were sent to VDL then also. Can anyone advise if Mary Wood could have been listed on the land grant as "Fitzgerald", even though she was not yet legally married to Michael Fitzgerald? with thanks, Lesley Wilson.

see Crimes Act 1958 (Vic), but you'll need a pre-1972 copy. The specific law dates back to 1850s, and yes there were plenty of convicts in the Port Phillip District of NSW (which is not "early Victoria"). If you go to the PROVic, you'll find a fyche, being an Index of Criminals from other colonies being arrested for entering Victoria before their sentences expired. The law was drafted so as to keep out Ticket-of-Leave people and those with Conditional Pardons: only fully time-expired convicts could enter Victoria, and there were never many of them. Yes, there may have been runaways etc, and there still are today. But such people rarely leave a trace that we'll find 150 years later. Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: iain&anngrant [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 14:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] convicts Regardless of any law against convicts in Victoria (can you quote source) these are many precedents of Ticket of leave men and convict servants as well as runaways (absconders) in early Victoria. The first five servants of Edward Henty at Portland Bay were convicts. Regards Anne. ______________________________

I think this must refer to the time after 1852 when Victoria's Legislative Council passed a Convicts Prevention Act which decreed that all overstraiters ( ex VDL ) must prove that they were unconditionally free or face the prospect of serving another 3 years' hard labour in irons. Indeed Robert Hughes wrote : "Victorians took a considerable , indeed an exaggerated pride in the thought that their colony had not - at least not primarily- been a convict settlement...... they were not merely dismayed but outraged when gold brought a rush of emancipated convicts from Van Diemens Land." This is the attitude which led to the introduction of the above anti convict legislation in Victoria , and to the stain permanently attached to them from their past , even if they were unconditionally free and trying to start a new life. David in Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham dixon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] re: convicts to Victoria > Hi Anne > If you get off list responses to the query about source of the assertion > that ex convicts were not supposed to be in Victoria can you let me know > please. > The claim stunned me momentarily, I had thought is was quite a common > occurence. I, also, would like this verified please. > Of the couple who became my wife's pioneer ancestors in New Zealand > after marrying in Melbourne, three of their four parents were ex > Tasmanian convicts and they had all been in Victoria some time before > the wedding took place. > thanks > Graham Dixon > (Auckland, New Zealand) > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Anne If you get off list responses to the query about source of the assertion that ex convicts were not supposed to be in Victoria can you let me know please. The claim stunned me momentarily, I had thought is was quite a common occurence. I, also, would like this verified please. Of the couple who became my wife's pioneer ancestors in New Zealand after marrying in Melbourne, three of their four parents were ex Tasmanian convicts and they had all been in Victoria some time before the wedding took place. thanks Graham Dixon (Auckland, New Zealand)

Hi, I was just wondering what the servants names were that you mentioned worked for Edward Henty. My stepfather's family, the BLOOMFIELD's, apparently had some kind of connection to the Henty's - he was rather vague, though. I think they may have travelled from Tas to Vic on the same boat (or something like that). But I think the 'original' BLOOMFIELD was a soldier, not a convict. Michelle Linneth Darwin, NT ----- Original Message ----- From: "iain&anngrant" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] convicts > Regardless of any law against convicts in Victoria (can you quote source) these are many precedents of Ticket of leave men and convict servants as well as runaways (absconders) in early Victoria. The first five servants of Edward Henty at Portland Bay were convicts. > Regards Anne. > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Regardless of any law against convicts in Victoria (can you quote source) these are many precedents of Ticket of leave men and convict servants as well as runaways (absconders) in early Victoria. The first five servants of Edward Henty at Portland Bay were convicts. Regards Anne.

G'day, 1851 - the Gold Rush. His death certificate may show his length of residence in the Australian colonies; also his birth details which may match the two. It was illegal for ex-cons to enter Victoria (until 1972, in fact), so he would have concealed the fact that he was an ex-con. Once you grasp that, you realise you have to be a bit less fussy about proof. Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 07:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] departing Tasmania Hi I am trying to tie up some loose ends in my family tree research. I know James Knapsey (b. 1823) was a convict in Tasmania from 1844-1850. There are no further records of him in Tassie. In 1851 a James Knapsey (b. around 1823) suddenly appeared in Victoria. The Victoria one seemed to offer a variety of stories as to his origins, but none of them mention being a convict. My question is how do I link the two? Are there records of departures from Tasmania or arrivals in Vic? And where do I look? I am fairly sure they are the same person as Knapsey isn’t exactly a common name (In fact I think he may have made it up – possibly from Knapp), but as I am a bit of a skeptic, I would like proof positive. Thanks Patti

Hi I am trying to tie up some loose ends in my family tree research. I know James Knapsey (b. 1823) was a convict in Tasmania from 1844-1850. There are no further records of him in Tassie. In 1851 a James Knapsey (b. around 1823) suddenly appeared in Victoria. The Victoria one seemed to offer a variety of stories as to his origins, but none of them mention being a convict. My question is how do I link the two? Are there records of departures from Tasmania or arrivals in Vic? And where do I look? I am fairly sure they are the same person as Knapsey isn’t exactly a common name (In fact I think he may have made it up – possibly from Knapp), but as I am a bit of a skeptic, I would like proof positive. Thanks Patti

Hi everyone and thank you for adding me to your list. My Tas Convict Interests are as follows. ELLEN MILES. Arr "Gilbert Henderson" 1841. d.1882. m.1848 Hobart THOMAS WATKINS. Arr 1840 "Runnymeade". ISAAC LeFEVRE (Hugueonot) from Bristol. Arr 1837 "Moffat".m 1851 Albury. Anne Ellen Tucker. I'd like to contact anyone with connections to these ancestors. Thanks Marg. Toowooba Qld.

Hi June Richard and Thomas Mold were transported from London and departed 4 July 1836 arrived 15 Nov 1836 aboard the "Henry Porcher". Let me know if you do not have any success from other offers for help and I will endeavour to check out the convict indents next time I go to the Library and print them off for you. I am quite happy to do it but get heaps of requests so do not like to double dip, that is do it if someone else is going to do it also. Regards Josie ----- Original Message ----- From: June Pickering <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] MOLD brothers, Tasmania. > > Hello List, > This is my first time on this list and I am hoping someone can advise me on > what to do. > I have a Thomas MOLD born circa 1816, Northhampton, England and married 25th > July 1850 in Victoria, Australia to Mary Ann JEWELL. Thomas died 1866 in > Geelong, Vic. > I have been told that Thomas and his brother (name unknown) were sent to > Tasmania for cattle rustling in England.It would be some time before 1850. > Could SKS please tell me were I can look to find out when and how they got > to Tasmania? Is there anyway I can find out how many years they were > sentanced for? > Sincerely, > June Pickering. > Lawnton, Queensland. > [email protected]/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello List, This is my first time on this list and I am hoping someone can advise me on what to do. I have a Thomas MOLD born circa 1816, Northhampton, England and married 25th July 1850 in Victoria, Australia to Mary Ann JEWELL. Thomas died 1866 in Geelong, Vic. I have been told that Thomas and his brother (name unknown) were sent to Tasmania for cattle rustling in England.It would be some time before 1850. Could SKS please tell me were I can look to find out when and how they got to Tasmania? Is there anyway I can find out how many years they were sentanced for? Sincerely, June Pickering. Lawnton, Queensland. [email protected]/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Thankyou for your help!! I didn't think to chase up the meanings of those entries when I first got the papers, about 2 years ago..........he didn't fit, but had the right name :-) Glad I held onto it now! It all makes sense and I'm very happy! Thankyou!! Lindel Kaikoura, NZ VENI, VIDI, VELCRO.....I came, I saw, I stuck around

Hi Lindel, Central Criminal Court House of Correction Names of brothers and sisters GB and GP are probably NP or Native Place Sue Wyatt [email protected] Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com Please feel free to come and join us. -----Original Message----- From: Lindel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2002 12:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Help needed with Remarks column on Convict Papers Hi! I need some help with some info on convist papers I have been sitting on for 18 months or so, hoping that would one day this convict may be part of the family :-) I have a photocopy from a large register and the columns read, from left to right: Name (got that), Where Tried - C C Court with little squiggles after each C (anyone know?), Where Tried, Height, Age, Sentence, Religion, Read or Write, Married or Single, Children, Statement of Offence (all okay, except H of C for assault), Surgeons Report, Trade, Native Place...........then the Remarks.............first line is father James mother Mary then GB, second line is Wm James Robert at Wapping, then 1c (I think its a c) Susan at GP (or B) Thats the bit I'm stuck on - other entries have 2c or similar then a womans name............its probably an easy answer, but I'm out of guesses and would really like to know for sure. Anyone help? Lindel Kaikoura, NZ VENI, VIDI, VELCRO.....I came, I saw, I stuck around ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Gday: I note you've already got a couple of responses, which I think are correct. In particular: CC Court is Central Criminal Court = Old Bailey, is in London. In my experience, you may have some luck if you look up The Times of London, which is available on microfilm in many large libraries. You might get some more detail of the crime &/or the trial. Hof C for assault means he has previously done time in the House of Correction for assault. Wm James Robert at Wapping confuses me: is your convict a female ? Could be her hubby, paramour etc. I suspect 1c Susan means "one child named Susan". I'd check if Susan married or died in Oz: female convicts were allowed to bring children with them on convict ships. One case, the prisoner brought 4 children, the eldest was 20 y.o. at the time. Not sure about GP or GB: could be "great Britain", that is, still back in the old country ? I have seen entries to say that a parent, sibling, spouse is in prison, or has already come to the colony. I saw one entry: "convicted with five others; two on board [the same ship]; three at home [in England]". Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Lindel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2002 17:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Help needed with Remarks column on Convict Papers Hi! I need some help with some info on convist papers I have been sitting on for 18 months or so, hoping that would one day this convict may be part of the family :-) I have a photocopy from a large register and the columns read, from left to right: Name (got that), Where Tried - C C Court with little squiggles after each C (anyone know?), Where Tried, Height, Age, Sentence, Religion, Read or Write, Married or Single, Children, Statement of Offence (all okay, except H of C for assault), Surgeons Report, Trade, Native Place...........then the Remarks.............first line is father James mother Mary then GB, second line is Wm James Robert at Wapping, then 1c (I think its a c) Susan at GP (or B) Thats the bit I'm stuck on - other entries have 2c or similar then a womans name............its probably an easy answer, but I'm out of guesses and would really like to know for sure. Anyone help? Lindel Kaikoura, NZ VENI, VIDI, VELCRO.....I came, I saw, I stuck around ______________________________