Evening all, I have finally finished adding all of the convict ship voyage information that I have found to the Tasmanian Convict Ships list (Convict Section) at http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/ References to the Surgeon's Journals in the AJCP microfilms have been included. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania mailing list http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/home/maillist.htm E-mail: [email protected] AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Can anyone help me trace what happened to the above who was sentenced to 14 years and transported in 1831 on the Convict Ship William Glen Anderson to Hobart Tasmania arriving November 1831 who I believe was then assigned to a Sam Hill Esq. I have enquired of the Tasmanian Records Office who have no record of his subsequent life in Tasmania after his arrival other than the usual physical report etc. Does anyone have any info. of his subsequent whereabouts and life in Tasmania RAY CHATFIELD

Ray wouldn;t they have his CONDUCT records? as they are usually available for all convicts..these tell you the various places he was assigned to, whom he worked for, any other colonial offences, certificates issued and etc cheers Jenny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Chatfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Thomas Chatfield > Can anyone help me trace what happened to the above who was sentenced to 14 > years and transported in 1831 on the Convict Ship William Glen Anderson to > Hobart Tasmania arriving November 1831 who I believe was then assigned to a > Sam Hill Esq. I have enquired of the Tasmanian Records Office who have no > record of his subsequent life in Tasmania after his arrival other than the > usual physical report etc. > > Does anyone have any info. of his subsequent whereabouts and life in > Tasmania > > RAY CHATFIELD > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you very much I will have a look. He was also known as John and that is the name he went by mostly. Thank you again and I will followo up from here cheers >From: Cathie Shaw <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Kennedy >Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:43:28 +1000 > >I cannot find Ian Kennedy on the Tasmania convicts CD-ROM. >Is he the Ian McDonnell Kennedy whoarrived in Sydney on the 'Brothers' in >1827, sentenced for life at Roscommon (from Lesley Uebel's >Claim-a-Convict)? >What do you know about Ian Kennedy? >Marriages and children? >Cheers, >Cathie > >Clare forest wrote: > >> >>Hello to everyone on this Mailing list >> >>Just joined and am ecited as I think I might have found my 1st convict in >>my fathers family. I only think this because he appears to arrived >>arrived really early. His DC says that he spent some time in Sydney but >>then says he spent most of his time in Tasmania and that is where he died. >>He arrived anytime from 1830 to 1840 and his name is Ian Kennedy from >>Ireland. >> >>Can anyone help me ? >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >> >> >>==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >>Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian >>Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >>Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >>go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian >Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

I cannot find Ian Kennedy on the Tasmania convicts CD-ROM. Is he the Ian McDonnell Kennedy whoarrived in Sydney on the 'Brothers' in 1827, sentenced for life at Roscommon (from Lesley Uebel's Claim-a-Convict)? What do you know about Ian Kennedy? Marriages and children? Cheers, Cathie Clare forest wrote: > > Hello to everyone on this Mailing list > > Just joined and am ecited as I think I might have found my 1st convict > in my fathers family. I only think this because he appears to arrived > arrived really early. His DC says that he spent some time in Sydney > but then says he spent most of his time in Tasmania and that is where > he died. He arrived anytime from 1830 to 1840 and his name is Ian > Kennedy from Ireland. > > Can anyone help me ? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and > Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello to everyone on this Mailing list Just joined and am ecited as I think I might have found my 1st convict in my fathers family. I only think this because he appears to arrived arrived really early. His DC says that he spent some time in Sydney but then says he spent most of his time in Tasmania and that is where he died. He arrived anytime from 1830 to 1840 and his name is Ian Kennedy from Ireland. Can anyone help me ? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Hi Could some one please tell me how to find out about a Public House called the Druid in Launceston about 1828, I think it was in or near Patterson street. TIA Sally

M310486 This is a second batch number. I also forgot to mention, if you want a particular surname you can add that in the surname box. Bright Blessings Sandie

For those listers who may not be familiar with searching batch numbers on the IGI at the LDS website here is a batch number for marriages M310485 . First go to the IGI at www.familysearch.org Second - where it the box for 'batch number' enter the number above. Third - where there is the box for region ... drop down and select 'Southwest Pacific' Fourth - click search. This will then bring up every marriage in that batch number for Tasmania. Bright Blessings Sandie

I have uploaded a partial transcription of the convicts sent per Atwick at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/atwicklist.html My thanks to Beverley Malone for submitting this listing to the site. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania mailing list http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/home/maillist.htm E-mail: [email protected] AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Hi Catherine, Have you searched through www.google.com? Carol

Hi Everyone, I am new to this list as I just found out this morning that my ancestor John Richard Goode was a convict (Yeah) transported to Tasmania circa 1836.Does anyone know anything about him. I can't find him on any Tasmanian Convict lists - can anyone suggest any good sites? Cheers, Catherine

I have uploaded a partial transcription of the convicts sent per Georgiana (1) at http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/georlist.html My thanks to Beverley Malone for submitting this listing to the site. regards, Meryl Yost, Launceston, Tasmania ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Administrator: AUS-Tasmania mailing list http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/home/maillist.htm E-mail: [email protected] AUS-Tasmania Genealogy pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/

Would like to hear from someone heading to the Archives Office, as I need a convict record from there..happy to pay costs etc. Need to obtain the convict records of James Ruttleton per Woodlark to Tasmania (previously to NSW per Minerva) many thanks Jenny Fawcett

Hi I am new to the list and thought I would post my interests. Moses PHILLIPS transported on the Medway from London arrived Hobart 1821 Mary Ann Griffin nee Higgs transported on the Mary Ann arrived 1822 with a two year old boy Moses and Mary Ann married 1823 and had the following children. Caroline B. 1823 Sarah B. 1824 Deborah B. 1826 Catherine B. 1828 Phillip B. 1830 Moses B. 1832 David B. 1833 Solomon B. 1834 Priscilla B. 1840 Rebecca B. 1842 Then in the late 1840s Moses and Mary with some of the children moved to Prahran Victoria Regards Sally Currie.

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Sharon I have the Tassie pioneers cd if you want a look up Debbie Kerang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman W. Long" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2002 8:58 PM Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] POINTON > Hello listers, > I am new to this list and I am hoping you can help me find oout more about the several convicts I have in my family tree. > To start off with: > Does anyone have any connections to Frederick POINTON or his brother Henry POINTON who were transported to VDL in 1836-7 on Clyde, or their cousin William POINTON who was transported (vessel unknown at this stage) in 1834. They all came from Hertfordshire. > > Frederick married Louisa WRIGHT in Longford in 1845 and they had 10 children. > > Henry married Elizabeth mary ANDERSON in Hobart and they had 7 daughters. > > I have only just found out about the connection with William and have not had the opportunity to look up his family at all yet. > > If anyone has any connections to any of these people I would love to hear from you. > > Kind regards, > Sharon > Melton, Victoria > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Garry, Thankyou very much for the information and comments you sent. They are most informative and very interesting. You must have done a lot of research. Are you researching for a book or something? Are you actually related to the Presnells at all? If you come across any other info related to this family, I would be very grateful if you could pass it on, if at all possible. Your efforts on this occasion are much appreciated. Kind regards, Sharon. -----Original Message----- From: Garry A Wilson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 23 July 2002 4:21 Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Re: PRESNELL/FOWLER >Sharon > >Don't have very much to add, just an observation ot two which may be useful: > >Having made an extensive study of the musters and other primary sources especially >for women up to 1819 so far, I can confirm that there are indeed no other apparent >Ann Fowlers as you suggest. In fact no other female FOWLERs at all. That's not >to say that someone isn't lurking there married with a FOWLER maiden name - or its >spelt some other way etc - but no obvious other Fowlers. Thus, given the >relatively small population, and hence limited logical possibilities, it is likely >that Ann Fowler who baptised James in 1811 is indeed the same Ann FOWLER who was >then "married" to William Presnell. I say "married" because I haven't located a >marriage on NI (not that I'm looking too hard in that direction yet). > >After looking at many records in this period (musters bdm etc), it is very >apparent that many women, even those who are known to have married, kept there >maiden name as their chief identity, especially those who were ex-convicts (even >after their sentences had expired). This occurs a lot in the musters and in >marriage and baptismal records etc. Thus I have no qualms in suggesting that >James is probably the child of William Presnell and Ann Fowler (even tho only Ann >is present at the baptism). > >Indeed many children who were apparently baptised with only their mother present, >turn up later with the father's name. In fact I have to observe that the >baptismal ceremony is one in which the child is given its "Christian" name(s) >only, a point we often forget! It is not a registration of the child's birth as >such, just a christening. Too often we assume that the child is thus named after >its mother (ie with her surname as well) when in fact the only evidence that can >be relied upon is that it was given its first names only. Just happened that the >father saw fit not to be there at the ceremony! It definitely cannot be assumed >that the child did not otherwise take and use its father's surname if you see what >I mean. > >Regarding this James (baptised 1811) then, I will keep this info and one day when >I get more done on the men I'll see if he turns up in later musters etc. From the >evidence before me, it seems that children were regarded as "adult" for the >purpose of musters from about the age of 13 to 15. So, he may just miss out on >being mustered on that count, depending of course on when he was actually born! > >What I can tell you tho is that Ann Presnell appears in the 1818 Muster off stores >and with three children. Now this basically means that the three children would >have had to have been under about 15, ie born after about 1804 at least. >Elizabeth (b 1802) is on the 1818 and 1819 musters in her own right. As Thomas (b >1804) isn't on the 1818 muster in his own right (and doesn't appear to have died) >then the three children probably include Thomas 1804, Sarah (b about 1808) about >whom you are aware from family sources and for the third child take your pick from >Joseph who is supposed to have come on the City of Edinburgh with the family (it >was in Reg Wright's book I think that you must have seen this) or the James >baptised in 1811 to Ann Fowler. > >In fact it would not surprise me in the least, now that I have seen many similar >examples, that Joseph and James are one and the same child. Firstly, you only >need only one child to make up the numbers in the 1818 muster entry, secondly the >baptism of James doesn't give the child's age, thirdly I don't know how many times >I've seen Jas interchanged for Jos in the records, or even adopted as a name >change!, and finally, as you say, there is no other mention of Joseph anyway. So >an infant son names Jos or Jas born about 1806 is very likely to have been >baptised around 1811 if the pattern for other NI persons is taken into account. >But as I say, an analysis of later musters, especially for the men, may help us >unravel that a bit further (with either a Joseph or James turning up!). > >So that's my best guess for the moment. It's just that the data for this early >period is quite self contained and some intelligent deductions can be made which I >have to admit have proven to work out for me in the light of other data. A bit of >lateral thinking etc and its amazing where it leads LOL. > >Actually just took a quick squiz at the 1819 muster of free persons in Hobart, and >a quick scan only located William Presnell, details as you would expect. In the >remarks column there appears to be an abbreviation of "Emancipated" which you may >not have come across. This remark only appears in a second "version" of the >muster I have come across, which together with some other unique material is not >widely known to exist! Hence my interest in these musters etc. The well known >version at SRNSW for 1819 Hobart free males (4/1235.4) does NOT have an entry in >the remarks column for Wm Presnell!, whereas this copy (the one I believe to have >been kept in Tasmania as distinct from the copy sent to Port Jackson) definitely >has that remark. I say copies in each case because I now feel that these are not >truly the "original" drafts taken at the muster table as it were. I've seen one >of those now (for 1816 I think it was) and they look just like that, if you know >what I mean, messy and untidy, and in different hands etc, just as you would >expect. These copies were neatly written out to be sent to Port Jackson and >presumably kept on hand as a record in VDL. > >Hope this helps a bit. > >Regards > >Garry > > > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Re:Presnell >> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:38:31 +1000 >> From: "Norman W. Long" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Diane and listers, >> Thankyou for your kind welcome to the list. I do have quite a bit of info >> on William PRESNELL and Ann FOWLER, but am always looking to increase my >> knowledge of this family, which is quite perplexing in many ways. I will >> try not too bore you with all the details, but here are some: >> >> Ann FOWLER was sentenced to seven years in Shropshire (no details of her >> birth (abt 1764) or offence known at this stage). She was sent to Port >> Jackson on 'Royal Admiral' in 1792. She had a baby to another convict, >> Joseph Abbott (not the marine with the same name as some have mistakenly >> assumed), also named Joseph, but he died as an infant. Ann was sent to >> Norfolk Island around 1800 but I have not found any details of the trip. >> >> William PRESNELL was sentenced to Life at Essex in 1797 for three counts of >> cattle stealing and one of horse stealing. He came to Pt J on Barwell in >> 1798. I have not found records of his birth (abt 1765) or parents either. >> He was sent to NI around 1800. There he met Ann. They had Elizabeth in >> 1802 and Thomas in 1804. The family came to Hobart on 'City of Edinburgh' >> in 1808. There is however, a record of a third child accompanying them, but >> details are not known for sure. Its name is given as Joseph (in a >> publication whose name escapes me at the moment), but there are no other >> records of such a child. Some have conjectured that there was another >> child, William, who later was a tanner in Hobart, but I have found nothing >> to convince me that this person was their son. William and Ann also had a >> daughter, Sarah, about 1808. Records of her birth have not been foound, so >> perhaps she was an infant on the trip, or perhaps was born shortly after >> their arrival in Hobart. There is also a James Fowler recorded as being >> born to Ann Fowler in 1811. Whether his mother is this Ann or not I am not >> sure, but I have not found any other records of an Ann Fowler. >> William and Ann spent most of their time in Argyle St, and William was a >> very successful business man, supplying the government with meat and running >> the Eagle Tavern, amongst other things. >> >> Several other Presnells came to VDL in the 1820s. Among these was Mrs Sarah >> Presnell 'and family', who arrived at the end of 1822 on Regalia. When she >> died in 1823 at the age of 86 there was a notice in the paper from her son, >> William of Argyle St - so it assumed that she was 'my' William's mother. >> Of the other Presnells who came on various ships in the 1820s, the >> connection to my family is not entirely clear, although it does seem quite >> likely that they were all related in some way. Among these were Thomas, >> James, John and Abraham. It appears that they were also from Essex or >> thereabouts. There is a lot more that I could tell you about them, but I am >> not sure if this is the place. >> >> William and Ann's daughter Elizabeth married a whaler from the USA, George >> Robinson, with whom she had 10 children, and after his death married a much >> younger man, Thomas Chapman, with whom she had one daughter, Sarah, from >> whom I am descended. Their son Thomas died without issue. There is a >> plaque commemorating him and his father on the wall at St Davids park. >> William's daughter Sarah married Thomas Pragnall (Pregnell, etc) and had >> about 4 children. >> >> If you are interested in more details please contact me. If you are >> descended from any of these people, or any other Presnells from Tasmania, I >> would dearly love to hear from you. If you have any information about these >> people i would also love to hear from you. The more of us that work on this >> complicated family, the more loose ends we can tie up. At the moment I have >> records of more than 3000 people who are descended from William and the >> other Presnells who came to VDL in the 1820s. The main problem is working >> out the origins of, and connections between, all of the original Presnells. >> >> If you have got this far I thank you for taking the time to read it all. >> Kind regards, >> Sharon. > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Liz, Thankyou very much for this info. I am interested in any informat ion relating to this family - it all helps to build up a picture of the lives they led. Kind regards, Sharon. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Penprase <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 23 July 2002 8:26 Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] PRESNELL > >Hi Sharon, > >Just a bit of trivia regarding your William Presnell. >The 1819 Muster of Convict Men in Hobart has 2 men assigned to Presnill. >Robert Caldwell who arrived on the Lady Castlereagh, tried in London in 1817 >with a sentence of Life, he is listed "off stores". >Joseph Brown arrived on the Lord Melville, tried in Alnwick in 1817 with a >sentence of 7 yrs, he is also listed as "off stores". >Perhaps a bit of useless information, still in the larger scheme of things >it's interesting to put names, places and relationships together, making the >tapestry of life. > >Regards, >Liz Penprase >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Norman W. Long" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:03 PM >Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] PRESNELL > > >> Hi again listers, >> Being new to this list I am unsure: is it appropriate to post queries >about convicts who came via Port Jackson and Norfolk Island to VDL. My >gggggrandparents, William PRESNELL and Ann FOWLER did just that, and arrived >in VDL in 1808 on the City of Edinburgh. >> I would love to hear from anyone who has connections to, or information >about, William and Ann and their descendants, and William's 'family' who >later came to VDL. >> >> Kind regards, >> Sharon. >> >> ______________________________ > > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >