Hi Chris I have charles will, and his mariage certificate, but have mislaid the convict indent. I have asked a person in Hobart to get the documents, indent, conduct record, etc. It will cost me $5. As sson as I have them I will forward a copy to you. I have not forgotten. I apologise for being so tardy. Rose Murtagh Slán go fóill (Bye for now) St. Helens Tasmania Australia [email protected]

But I love mysteries...yell out if I can help! J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Convict CD > Hi Jenny, > > Welllll.........let me think now........I have this mystery lady.... > > Only joking.....you are most welcome, Jenny. Will keep your offer in > mind tho!! > > Cheers > Wendy > > > > jfawcett wrote: > > >Hi Wendy > >thank you VERY much for your kindness..is there something I could do for you > >in return ? > >much appreciated > >Jenny F > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:36 PM > >Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Convict CD > > > > > > > > > >>Hi Jenny > >> > >>Convict Number: 81532 > >>WELLES, Anne > >>Ship: Hydery > >>Departed: Plymouth 11/04/1832 > >>Arr: 10/8/1832 > >>Conduct Record: CON40/9 > >>Description List: CON18/24 > >> > >>Cheers > >>Wendy > >> > >>jfawcett wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Could I trouble someone with access to the convict CD to check for Ann > >>>Welles/Wales, pre 1838 , as a convict please...happy to exchange services > >>>many thanks > >>>Jenny Fawcett > >>> > >>> > >>>==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > >>>Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and > >>> > >>> > >Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > > > > > >>>Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >>> > >>>============================== > >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >>> > >>> > >go to: > > > > > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > >>Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian > >> > >> > >Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > > > > > >>Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >> > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> > >> > >go to: > > > > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Wendy thank you VERY much for your kindness..is there something I could do for you in return ? much appreciated Jenny F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Convict CD > Hi Jenny > > Convict Number: 81532 > WELLES, Anne > Ship: Hydery > Departed: Plymouth 11/04/1832 > Arr: 10/8/1832 > Conduct Record: CON40/9 > Description List: CON18/24 > > Cheers > Wendy > > jfawcett wrote: > > >Could I trouble someone with access to the convict CD to check for Ann > >Welles/Wales, pre 1838 , as a convict please...happy to exchange services > >many thanks > >Jenny Fawcett > > > > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Could I trouble someone with access to the convict CD to check for Ann Welles/Wales, pre 1838 , as a convict please...happy to exchange services many thanks Jenny Fawcett

Would SKS who has the Tas Convict CD please lookup Charles Rumley JACOBS and send me details. Many Thanks Cheers Chris Bryce (Qld)

Hi Jenny, Welllll.........let me think now........I have this mystery lady.... Only joking.....you are most welcome, Jenny. Will keep your offer in mind tho!! Cheers Wendy jfawcett wrote: >Hi Wendy >thank you VERY much for your kindness..is there something I could do for you >in return ? >much appreciated >Jenny F >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:36 PM >Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Convict CD > > > > >>Hi Jenny >> >>Convict Number: 81532 >>WELLES, Anne >>Ship: Hydery >>Departed: Plymouth 11/04/1832 >>Arr: 10/8/1832 >>Conduct Record: CON40/9 >>Description List: CON18/24 >> >>Cheers >>Wendy >> >>jfawcett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Could I trouble someone with access to the convict CD to check for Ann >>>Welles/Wales, pre 1838 , as a convict please...happy to exchange services >>>many thanks >>>Jenny Fawcett >>> >>> >>>==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >>>Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and >>> >>> >Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > > >>>Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html >>> >>>============================== >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >>> >>> >go to: > > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >>Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian >> >> >Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > > >>Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> >> >go to: > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Hi Jenny Convict Number: 81532 WELLES, Anne Ship: Hydery Departed: Plymouth 11/04/1832 Arr: 10/8/1832 Conduct Record: CON40/9 Description List: CON18/24 Cheers Wendy jfawcett wrote: >Could I trouble someone with access to the convict CD to check for Ann >Welles/Wales, pre 1838 , as a convict please...happy to exchange services >many thanks >Jenny Fawcett > > >==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== >Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: >Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Hi , I think the "Bow"would refer to the London Court Ken Smith --- Peter & Glenis Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On the photocopy of my guy's report that I hold it reads > "stated Brother & > Sister in the Bow London". The "w" could be an "ro" but I > don't think so. > >.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you!

Hi Everyone, I am hoping someone may be able to guide me in the right direction re. obtaining further records for my convict John Goode. I have already obtained the records from the Tasmanian Archives stating that he was tried at Surrey in England. Where do I go to obtain the actual trial records? Many thanks & waiting in anticipation..... Cheers, Catherine

G'day, I hope I don't put you on the wrong track. At Bow Street, London, there was a Magistrate's Court, and the early headquarters of the Police, before the Metropolitan Police were created around 1829. Early Police were called "Bow Street Runners". Possibilities are that your gent's siblings were resident in the Bow Street area; or if there was a prison, maybe resident therein. In those days: town planning was pragmatic, and putting a prison next to a courthouse was a good idea. So, perhaps there was a prison of some sort in Bow Street at some time. If the word is "Boro", that would be an abbreviation for "Borough", but I can't offer any suggestions about that. ROOTSWEB has a London list: perhaps someone there can add something. Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Peter & Glenis Gibbs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 10:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Con 31 report Hi, On the photocopy of my guy's report that I hold it reads "stated Brother & Sister in the Bow London". The "w" could be an "ro" but I don't think so. Am I correct in assuming that they were in prison too, presumably not warranting transportation. If so I may have started to find the English connection for this family! Many thanks for any comments, Peter - NZ ( we wish we could give you our rain).

Hi, On the photocopy of my guy's report that I hold it reads "stated Brother & Sister in the Bow London". The "w" could be an "ro" but I don't think so. Am I correct in assuming that they were in prison too, presumably not warranting transportation. If so I may have started to find the English connection for this family! Many thanks for any comments, Peter - NZ ( we wish we could give you our rain).

Mea Culpa, mea culpa mea maxima culpa. Of course the Kelly's were not from Wexford. The Kelly family tree http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/familytree/familytree.htm Les(send now, check later, and end up with egg all over your moosh) Pitt "Avoid delays: procrastination always does harm." Lucanus, Marcus Annaeus Lucanus (39-65); Roman poet.

Thank you to all on the list who helped/offered help to sort out this young Irish lass with the 2 names. She came from the town of Enniscorthy in Co. Wexford ( the Kelly's home county) and was tried in Co. Carlow at the age of 17, receiving 7 years for larceny. She arrived in Hobart Town 1841 and was married to Roger Pitt a few years later. They emigrated to Geelong and went on to have 6 children one of whom was my grandfather. They moved to the goldfields in the 1850's and had children in Ballarat, Creswick, and Daylesford, which is a remarkable coincidence as two of my children were born in Creswick and Daylesford. Ann Murphy Quin Pitt died in 1872 and Roger subsequently remarried another Irish girl Ellen Curtin-Jones. They moved to Richmond, Melbourne about 1880 and lived happily ever after, or so I like to think. The Pitts were in Richmond continuously(?) for 100 years. Researching Pitt, Quin, Hodson, Amore, Stancliffe, Robinson and now Curtin, Jones. Luckily no Smiths. Regards and much thanks Les Pitt "Avoid delays: procrastination always does harm." Lucanus, Marcus Annaeus Lucanus (39-65); Roman poet.

In a message dated 28/10/2002 3:15:47 pm. W. Australia Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Again I find I need to remind subscribers that this kind of message IS NOT PERMITTED as it falls outside of Rootsweb guidelines. Bright Blessings Sandie List Administrator > Hi Les, > There was an Ann Murphy came on the Mary Ann arriving 19/3/1841 > Roger aged 21 married Ann aged 21 on 29/7/1844 in Hobart reg no 1194 > They had a daughter born in Avoca on 29/3/1845 reg 1233 named Jane Pitt. > > I do this sort of lookup for people. I photocopy the convict conduct > record, > then look up information on the indent, description list, musters, > appropriations list and any other relevant info. I can then look up the > Tasmanian Pioneer Index for information on birth, death, marriages. I can > also make copies of these. There is also a series of cards with other > information on them at the Tasmanian archives. Wills can also be looked > up. > > The cost for overseas is when you have received the information from me, > you > then send some new/used stamps from anywhere round the world to my niece > and > nephew here in Tasmania. This saves me having to change cheques or IRCs. It > usually costs $1.10 per photocopy and most people send about $5 Australian > to do a complete lookup through me, but if you go to the archives of > Tasmania they will charge about $20 for an hours work. > > I go to the archives of a Thursday evening and the last Saturday of the > month, so you should get your info within a month. If you want me to add > you to my lookup list, please return email me with your snail mail address > and what you want me to lookup for you and what to photocopy. > > Sue Wyatt > [email protected] > > Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com > Please feel free to come and join us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Pitt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 7:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Ann Quinn / Murphy > > > Tasmania 1829? Married Roger Pitt, does she have a convict record? > > > Thanks fellow Listers. >

OOps! Sorry, thought I had sent this to Les's personal email address. I didn't look carefully enough. Sue Wyatt [email protected] Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com Please feel free to come and join us.

Dear Sue: What a gift. I don't have time right now to make my requests, but I will be back with some requests for your service. I do appreciate this. Things began to look impossible, but now... I'll be back, tomorrow. Thank you in advance. Eleanor Berg (from Rochester Mninnesota) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Wyatt <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: RE: [TAS-CONVICTS] Ann Quinn / Murphy > Hi Les, > There was an Ann Murphy came on the Mary Ann arriving 19/3/1841 > Roger aged 21 married Ann aged 21 on 29/7/1844 in Hobart reg no 1194 > They had a daughter born in Avoca on 29/3/1845 reg 1233 named Jane Pitt. > > I do this sort of lookup for people. I photocopy the convict conduct record, > then look up information on the indent, description list, musters, > appropriations list and any other relevant info. I can then look up the > Tasmanian Pioneer Index for information on birth, death, marriages. I can > also make copies of these. There is also a series of cards with other > information on them at the Tasmanian archives. Wills can also be looked up. > > The cost for overseas is when you have received the information from me, you > then send some new/used stamps from anywhere round the world to my niece and > nephew here in Tasmania. This saves me having to change cheques or IRCs. It > usually costs $1.10 per photocopy and most people send about $5 Australian > to do a complete lookup through me, but if you go to the archives of > Tasmania they will charge about $20 for an hours work. > > I go to the archives of a Thursday evening and the last Saturday of the > month, so you should get your info within a month. If you want me to add > you to my lookup list, please return email me with your snail mail address > and what you want me to lookup for you and what to photocopy. > > Sue Wyatt > [email protected] > > Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com > Please feel free to come and join us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Pitt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 7:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Ann Quinn / Murphy > > > Tasmania 1829? Married Roger Pitt, does she have a convict record? > > > Thanks fellow Listers. > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian > Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: > Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Les, There was an Ann Murphy came on the Mary Ann arriving 19/3/1841 Roger aged 21 married Ann aged 21 on 29/7/1844 in Hobart reg no 1194 They had a daughter born in Avoca on 29/3/1845 reg 1233 named Jane Pitt. I do this sort of lookup for people. I photocopy the convict conduct record, then look up information on the indent, description list, musters, appropriations list and any other relevant info. I can then look up the Tasmanian Pioneer Index for information on birth, death, marriages. I can also make copies of these. There is also a series of cards with other information on them at the Tasmanian archives. Wills can also be looked up. The cost for overseas is when you have received the information from me, you then send some new/used stamps from anywhere round the world to my niece and nephew here in Tasmania. This saves me having to change cheques or IRCs. It usually costs $1.10 per photocopy and most people send about $5 Australian to do a complete lookup through me, but if you go to the archives of Tasmania they will charge about $20 for an hours work. I go to the archives of a Thursday evening and the last Saturday of the month, so you should get your info within a month. If you want me to add you to my lookup list, please return email me with your snail mail address and what you want me to lookup for you and what to photocopy. Sue Wyatt [email protected] Great chat room for genealogy only www.justgen.com Please feel free to come and join us. -----Original Message----- From: Les Pitt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 7:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TAS-CONVICTS] Ann Quinn / Murphy Tasmania 1829? Married Roger Pitt, does she have a convict record? Thanks fellow Listers. ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

As it turned out Ann Murphy was AKA Ann Quinn, she was transported for 7 from Dublin. She arrived in VDL on the Mary Anne in 1841. Arrived Hobart 19 Mar 1841, Barque, 394 ton, 6 guns, second convict voyage, Master Adolphus Holton, departed Dublin 27 Nov 1840, Table Bay, Cape of Good Hope, 112 days, 124 female prisoners landed, Surgeon Superintendent Jas Barr, 56 passengers: 19 migrants (went on to Sydney), 39 children. SURNAME: MURPHY OTHER NAMES: ANNE AGE: 17 SEX: F ALIAS: Quinn PLACE OF TRIAL: Co. Carlow TRIAL DATE: 14/07/1840 PLACE OF IMPRISONMENT: DOCUMENT DATE: CRIME DESCRIPTION: Larceny SENTENCE: Transportation 7 yrs SHIP: PETITIONER: RELATIONSHIP: DOCUMENT REFERENCES: TR 3, p 198 CRF 1840 M 67 MICROFILM REFERENCES: COMMENTS: Convicts widowed mother resides in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford. States she is dependant on her daughters support. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 10:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TAS-CONVICTS] Ann Quinn / Murphy Hi, There are 4(four) Ann Quinn and 17(seventeen) Ann Murphy listed as convicts. More details please. Ken Smith --- Les Pitt <[email protected]> wrote: > Tasmania 1829? Married Roger Pitt, does she have a > convict record? > > > Thanks fellow Listers. > > > ===== http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! ==== AUS-TAS-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== Please link your webpages to the Australian Families Webring and Tasmanian Convicts - let's unite!!! The navigation bar is located at: Http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/newsletter.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

http://www.law.mq.edu.au/sctas/ concerning Tasmanian convict colonial trials. Bright Blessings Sandie

Peter Gainsborough wrote: > Hi Garry, Many thanks for your reply to my posting on the > Tasmanian Convicts' list. It would appear your reply on > the list has drawn some comments from fellow listers!! > That aside, I am grateful to you for pointing out the error I made > regarding the 'certificate' and the information you have provided of > John Mellows. I acquired John's burial register entry > because he is the only Mellows on the Australian Vital Records set of > CDs that isn't one of mine. >From what you have told me, it would > appear that John is an ancestor of a Mike Mellows who lives in Manley, > NSW, whose ancestors come from Northampton. I intend forwarding the > information you have given me to him. A few questions; > what are Victualling Lists and Musters? I have heard of them but have > no idea what they are and how they help with family history research. > Similarly, where do get John's the information of John's conviction in > 1802 at Northampton? Looking forward to hearing from > you. Peter Gainsborough (Croydon, > Surrey, England) > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.406 / Virus Database: 229 - Release Date: 21/10/2002 Peter Thanks for your comments The reason you have the burial entry is interesting. Maybe there is a connection way back - but then the name is not that uncommon of course. I'm sure your co-researcher will appreciate the information if he doesn't already have it. It is pretty easily available as I said, unless having got to one point he assumed the guy was free etc and didn't look elsewhere. As for the conviction info that's an area I don't know much about. My interests have centred in Australia although I have a couple of loose ends to do on that question. Most of mine in fact weren't convicts. Suggest you might join a local list for the county of Northampton and ask some questions there. As for Musters and Victualling Lists - where do I start. May I suggest that you join the Tasmania list and have a look at the archives as I have put up quite a bit of material/discussion about the General Musters. Basically the whole population was mustered every year up to 1825 (altho not all exist). It consisted of three parts - muster of free people, of convicts , and a "land & stock" part for those free people who also had land & stock. Suggest you get a hold of Carol Baxter's books on the NSW musters (published by ABGR) to get some idea of what they are about. Victualling lists were less organised but the one for 1803/4 in Tasmania was a beauty - it covered everybody from the Governor down including the military who were exempt from the general musters. I'm working on a project to publish all the available musters (and related population lists) for Tasmania (VDL) up to 1825. One book has also already been done on some of this material for VDL called "Land Musters, Stock Returns and Lists" by Irene Schaffer. It covers primarily the land and stock muster material and some other related lists and includes some other portions of some of the general musters. Since then more material has "come to light", making a new look at the project worthwhile.. Hope that helps for the minute. By the way there is a list published on the net of the "known" musters but I hasten to add that it is incomplete. The compiler of this is Graham Lewis http://www.zeta.org.au/~feraltek/genealogy/oz/ozcensus.htm It has some useful background. Regards Garry